#israel/palestine for blacklist

[shinraelectricpowercom]

love seeing goyische Takes™ about israel that conveniently and unsubtly ignore that the modern state of israel was founded in the wake of the holocaust

like, was european (and later american) states’ support of zionism an explicitly colonial project? yes. did european jews in the wake of the holocaust (and frankly before it) have a VERY GOOD REASON to want to have a nation-state controlled by jews? also yes. does that excuse the colonial way in which the nation of israel was founded and its national status enforced? no. is israel the only state involved and the only government at fault? also no.

[shinraelectricpowercom]

right, because citing an empire invoking the antisemitic trope of the Disloyal Jew really drives home how THAT empire was valid but the other one involved wasn’t.

People do not realize that when we say Israel is a settler-colonial state, we mean it was literally devised in junction with European imperialism around the turn of the century.

Political Zionism was founded by Theodore Herzl. Originally, Zionists were not specifically interested in the land of Palestine as a colonial project. In fact, Herzl was debating making Argentina the focus of mass Zionist migration, which is quite ironic considering Argentina's colonial and Aryanist past. British-controlled Uganda was also offered as a possibility by Joseph Chamberlain, a Conservative imperialist.

To encourage mass Jewish migration to Palestine, he worked with the British, who had recently drove the Ottoman Empire out of the Levant, and now boasted political dominance in the region, thanks to the Sykes–Picot Agreement between the UK, France, Italy, and Russia which covertly authorized British influence in Palestine, which had become a target of colonial expansion. He specifically wished to collaborate with Cecil Rhodes, a British imperialist who played a lead role in colonizing Zimbabwe and Zambia, and later took inspiration from his time spent extracting wealth from Africa as the founder of mining conglomerate the British South Africa Company.

Herzl’s personal goals for Zionism were colonial. He said in a letter to Rhodes:

“You are being invited to help make history. It doesn’t involve Africa, but a piece of Asia Minor; not Englishmen but Jews […] How, then, do I happen to turn to you since this is an out-of-the-way matter for you? How indeed? Because it is something colonial […] I […] have examined this plan and found it correct and practicable. It is a plan full of culture, excellent for the group of people for whom it is directly designed, and quite good for England, for Greater Britain [...]”

At that time, Palestine was predominately populated with Arab Muslims and Christians, as well as Arab Jews (Old Yishuv) and Druze. Jews made up around 6% of the population. The Ottoman government specifically released a manifesto at the start of Zionist migration condemning the colonization, stating:

“[Jews] among us […] who have been living in our province since before the war; they are as we are, and their loyalties are our own.”

The Balfour Declaration of 1917 on behalf of parliament, officially established the British Mandate of Palestine, sowing the seeds for the modern state of Israel, by means of the UK's ongoing occupation of the region.

Zionism was never about promoting Jewish culture or safety; it has always been tied up in Western (settler-)colonial expansion. !من النهر إلى البحر

[triviallytrue]

incredible the extent to which this corner of the internet has bred an entire generation of easy marks

[gryficowa]

Boycott!

Yes, I struggle with my mind not to listen to music from the blacklist, because unfortunately, there are songs that I have an attachment to… And my ASD mind loves to repeat the same song for hours… Eh… It's just a struggle with my mind

Now that I have your attention:

[whilomm]

[agentfascinateur]

Israel blacklisted by the UN for harming children

Israel's inclusion in the blacklist is very problematic and may cause countries in the world to impose an arms embargo on Israel

It's literally been a children's holocaust.

[redacted-metallum]

Not gonna lie it's really frustrating to have liberal parents at this point in time in a "i am further left" sort of way.

Like. I'm too pussy to go to protests that has been Established. I also don't have a way of reaching any without using my phone and im not fucking putting myself or others at risk that way. I really don't want to vote for biden. I am convinced that somehow trump will manage to be worse for Everyone. The ages of both of these fucks have me looking at the vice president picks more than anything else. I also don't want kamala harris as president. Not voting is giving up. Voting is complicity.

And if I try to talk about these feelings in person with someone I get "well it's complicated" and "we can't withdraw support because then saudi arabia might attack them" and "at least biden has good domestic policy"

[sortanonymous]

Just so you know, I'm on the good side with y'all. I do not want this presidency, this tyranny, and I'm ashamed that the Republican running mate is from Ohio.

[ipwarn]

At least people took a stand during the Oscars. And the crowd seemed to receive the message. Amazing speech by Jonathan Glazer on the realities of what is happening now and how it should not be allowed to continue.

[rinielelrandir]

Very amused that people who don't know me at all read apparently half of what I posted earlier on I/P and decided my take that "I don't support any nation state and think we should do away with all of them but since this is the system we currently have it's decidedly antisemitic to single out Israel as The One To Destroy Above All Others and we should instead support peace and safety for both Israelis and Palestinians" is equivalent to "genocide is good actually." Like I know this is tumblr, aka the "piss on the poor" reading comprehension website but also like, idk, maybe learn to read before yelling at random people online and accusing them of supporting genocide? Also for the record, it's *really fucking weird and antisemitic* to yell at random Jews on the internet and accuse them of supporting genocide because they have Opinions You Personally Disagree With.

You can, in fact, simply block people who's takes you don't like. It's free! And easy! You hit the three dots at the top of the post, it opens a drop down menu and you select "block". Now the person who you think has Bad and Evil Opinions™️ will never show up in tags for you again! Problem solved! They might, unfortunately, show up on your dashboard if someone you follow reblogs something they posted or added to, because tumblr is slightly broken in that regard, but you will be saved from their opinions in tags. And they won't be able to interact with you! And there's even a handy feature you can use to hide *all* content they've ever made/posted, even stuff you're dearly beloved mutual who thinks they're cool reblogs. You just, blacklist the username. Now they will show up as filtered content and you have to manually unhide any post that mentions their username in any way, saving you from the Opinions You Don't Like. And they're free to continue *their* internet experience without you yelling at them for tagging things with something that is a general filter/sort/information tag simply because *you* think their opinions are Bad and Don't Belong There.

[11bountyhunters]

i think saying that both Palestine and Isreal are in the wrong is like saying that a kid was in the wrong for beating up their bully but the bully was relentlessly targeting them for literal years and the kid had enough of it.

Do i disagree with the methods? yes. do i blame them? not really.

of course im just someone who gets most of their information from social media so what do i know

[shinraelectricpowercom]

if you are going to be reblogging palestine-related posts you NEED to Actually Engage Your Brain abt antisemitism, bc it is NOT beneficial to tie up anti-israel discussion with "well those jews israelis Deserve It for daring to consider themselves The Chosen People" or "every jew israeli is actually wealthy and dually loyal a citizen of a different country that they can just leave for if they want".

learn what antisemitic tropes and talking points are, learn the antisemitic dog whistles, and don't give the time of day, much less a reblog, to any person who invokes them as part of their criticism of israel. the state of israel has a LOT to answer for but conflating israel with judaism and jewish people as a whole, and utilizing antisemitic tropes to stir up outrage about israel's actions, is not an appropriate or constructive way to approach the topic.

[necarion]

I don't know how we deal with the fact that a few members of UNRWA provided actual military assistance to Hamas on October 7, and were engaged in hostage-taking/holding activities. (A lot more were very much not-neutral in expressing excitement on October 7, but this is about the ones who actually participated.) Cutting off assistance to the entirety of UNRWA seems excessive. But.

"Officially sanctioned non-combatant aid organization committing military actions while maintaining status a protected non-combatant" is historically one of the worst of the war crimes. Allowing that to occur endangers everybody's medical aid.* The first Geneva Convents (1864) were only about aid to the wounded, providing for [wikipedia]:

the immunity from capture and destruction of all establishments for the treatment of wounded and sick soldiers,

the impartial reception and treatment of all combatants,

the protection of civilians providing aid to the wounded, and

the recognition of the Red Cross symbol as a means of identifying persons and equipment covered by the agreement.

I could maybe see something along the lines of "you have to do an investigation, one which is actually possible to pass, and put in place some new safeguards, and funding will be restored". And it looks like UNRWA seems to be investigating, and we probably should restore funding soon.

“The Israeli Authorities have provided UNRWA with information about the alleged involvement of several UNRWA employees in the horrific attacks on Israel on 7 October. “To protect the Agency’s ability to deliver humanitarian assistance, I have taken the decision to immediately terminate the contracts of these staff members and launch an investigation in order to establish the truth without delay.  Any UNRWA employee who was involved in acts of terror will be held accountable, including through criminal prosecution. “UNRWA reiterates its condemnation in the strongest possible terms of the abhorrent attacks of 7 October and calls for the immediate and unconditional release of all Israeli hostages and their safe return to their families. “These shocking allegations come as more than 2 million people in Gaza depend on lifesaving assistance that the Agency has been providing since the war began. Anyone who betrays the fundamental values of the United Nations also betrays those whom we serve in Gaza, across the region and elsewhere around the world”.

But this is one of those things that really can't go unanswered. And it sucks.

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* Obama ordering military agents to disguise themselves as vaccine workers in Pakistan, while hunting al'Qaida, has now led to international vaccine workers being shot, and has seriously hurt the fight against polio in Pakistan and Afghanistan. While I generally like Obama, that action was a war crime and should have been dealt with as such.

[gryficowa]

Boycott!

You know what sucks? When you learn new songs (by creators you don't know) and you don't know whether they are pro-Palestine or pro-genocide… Typing them in doesn't really help you, because often one creator/band can have the same name and well… I don't really need to say what the problem is with the information

And sometimes I only find circumstantial evidence, but no evidence (They just write that someone is a Zionist, but there is no damn proof like a screenshot and it sucks, because I would like to have some proof and not rely on information without evidence, because everyone can write whatever they want on the Internet, so you understand…)

It just sucks because I have the impression that searching for information is difficult, because if in the case of some creators in the comments you come across information that the creators are on the blacklist, at least it will help to some extent (Because the list is long and I have a weak memory for names), but you won't always find it in the comments, which makes it even more complicated, when you find only rudimentary information on the Internet…

No matter how many passwords you enter (in English, because I can't find shit in my native language), all you get is fragmentary information without evidence… Eh…

This makes it difficult to find information, and unfortunately, I'm doomed to Google, because everything fucking belongs to that Zionist company that helped the IDF

Now that I have your attention:

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I've written a lot, but I hope no one will miss the collections :/

[statementlou]

I’m Jewish and Anti-Zionist as well and I respect your opinion but does it not bother you that people only act this way with Israelis? There is literally no other country where fans would be getting called ugly and racist and people would be demanding violence just because they showed up with a flag. Random citizens of a country aren’t responsible for the actions of their government and no one ever assumes they are except for in the only Jewish country in the world. Harry wrote a whole song about his love for England and no one has ever called that a ‘disgusting display of nationalist allegiance to a racist apartheid state’. You say you wouldn’t wave a US flag but people do or wear it on their clothes or whatever else and literally no one cares. As Jews maybe we shouldn’t condone hatred towards 40% of Jewish people in the world under the guise of social activism?

Okay well I appreciate you, and that the balancing act of being a Jew-- being at risk of anti-semetic violence and prejudice but also benefiting from white privilege-- is a tricky one and there ARE gray areas, for sure! Unfortunately, I disagree with pretty much everything you’ve said here, I am sorry to say. It is true that anti-semites glom onto anti-Israel talk to try to further their agenda, but that is because they are fucking nazis and that is not my responsibility- nothing I say condones their garbage and we can't just not talk about real issues because someone might twist our words. I also disagree that there is no other country regarded with such venom and think that is a narrative perpetuated by zionists and racists: I think the difference is that Israel is talked about that way by WHITE PEOPLE (and yeah lots of times it is because they're just fucking racist, but so is the 'only Israel is treated this way' narrative). As far as I know the powers that be in Iran still refer to the United States as The Great Satan and burn US flags for propaganda purposes, for example, and I think if you ask people in Africa or LATAM how they feel about various colonial powers you will find similarly hostile reactions to flag waving. You say that people wave or wear US flags and no one cares- but that’s literally just not true. A lot of people in a lot of places care plenty, and in fact US tourists wearing Canadian flags to try to avoid the worldwide hatred of USAmericans is huge thing that very much happens. But by all means, go get barricade in LATAM and wave a US flag in everyone’s face and let me know how that goes! And I completely disagree that random citizens of a country bear no responsibility for their governments actions as well. Our taxes and our silence are what make atrocities possible! Here in the US it can be hard to feel like we are complicit in the actions of a government that we ourselves are also fighting tooth and nail to survive, that also attacks and starves and victimizes us, but unfortunately we still do have a responsibility to resist what is being done in our names (in this case, $158 BILLION US tax dollars to Israel to date and that doesn't even include all the military equipment), or at the bare minimum to speak out against it. And in Israel this is even less theoretical: when they turn 18 every Israeli Jew has to choose to either actively resist and refuse military service or to literally join the army and personally participate in the genocide of the Palestinian people. These fans, who according to another anon have told people at shows that “you don’t understand we were just reclaiming our land” and have said they take pride in their flag, have picked a side, and it is the side of murder and colonization. I don’t hate every citizen of Israel simply for where they were born any more than I hate every US citizen; but I do judge and personally do not want anything to do with those who choose to support their government, in both places. This is not ‘the guise of social activism’: it is choosing to be actively anti-racist rather than silent and therefore complicit. As for the rest, I don’t think anyone has considered LOML a nationalistic anthem, but while its true that most people don’t care some people most certainly DO complain about Harry waving flags of any countries, and most especially the UK flag (as opposed to the England one); that in particular because, like the Israeli flag, it touches on colonization that is happening and actively being resisted RIGHT NOW (Scotland and Wales' struggles for independence.)

[agentfascinateur]

"Countries that celebrate the release of four Israeli hostages without saying a word about the hundreds of Palestinians killed and thousands held in arbitrary detention by Israel, have lost moral credibility for generations and don’t deserve to be on any UN human rights body."

- Balakrishnan Rajagopal, UN

#outoftheballpark ⚾🧢