#im getting really mad about stupid fandom shit again :)

[selchwife]

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bitching about this here bc i feel way more comfortable doing that than on main where i have a ton of followers i dont know but like

i hate shipping discourse so fucking muuuuch lol. i usually try to just ignore it but occasionally i stumble upon it anyway and i end up so fucking frustrated with how uncharitable people tend to be.

there's been this article going around recently on twitter that was meant to explain the "anti vs proship" debate to people in JP fandom, but it was (imo anyway) like EXTREMELY heavily biased and felt pretty cruel and dismissive bc of that.

i get that there are people on both sides of the discourse that are utterly horrible fucking maniacs and that there are also people who ascribe to one label or the other and end up not really having a lot of difference in opinion, like "i think it's wrong to write simulated CSEM/abuse/etc but i also don't think that means topics like abuse should never be written about, and i don't condone harassing people even if what they do is wrong" is something i've been like. shocked to find is the exact stance of people i've met who i found out aligned with pr*ship and who were equally shocked to find that most of my experience with people who consider themselves pr*ship is like "you are literally a massive fascist puritan if you have any qualms with people making underage/incest/etc type content." like, i was really scared bc of Labels that these people i'd known for a while were actually dangerous to me and would advocate things that hurt me, and it turned out we had basically the exact same opinion.

and like i guess i can't blame people for thinking "oh those guys are clearly the nutballs here bc i didn't do anything wrong and got harassed/saw them saying something insanely cruel" on EITHER side. like, i certainly do not give anyone who bitches about "puritan antis" or who considers themselves pr*ship the benefit of the doubt, bc in my experience most of those people have gone on to say and do extremely offensive hurtful stuff, and people who hang out in those communities are not people who i feel at all safe around or who i generally consider great people. it's just really frustrating to have my own concerns painted as like "anyone who doesn't feel comfortable with pr*ship people is just making their feelings other people's problems and being thought police, and all they ever do is harass people, you should avoid them for your safety!" bc like. i just leave people alone! i avoid them if i dislike them!!

and especially bc like. i don't even consider myself an "anti." i feel like i'm just a reasonable person, and that's a label that's only ever been maliciously put ON me by people who object harshly to my having any sort of standards for how i think other people should act. i don't like that i want a VERY SPECIFIC sort of person to leave me alone (people who are OK with romanticized and sexualized portrayals of incest, csa, and abuse), and since most people who advocate for those things use a specific label, i ask that nobody from that group interact with me. so naturally the latest Big Fandom Thing is all about how people who make that request are like....unreasonable and will attack other people and shit? i literally do not have the time in my day to do that shit. i just don't want to have flashbacks or feel like people believe what happened to me is okay.

it's so fucking frustrating and exhausting and it wouldn't be a problem if we didn't live in a horrible fucking broken-ass culture that just CANNOT resist defending sexual abuse in fiction OR in reality. i'm not going to trust people who parrot rape myths in fiction even if they insist they don't believe them in reality. they're lying, or they wouldn't repeat them at all. i just, like, UGH. i wish it wasn't seen as radical to just ask people to be respectful of survivors but it is bc i feel like so many people just immediately jump to victim-blaming. people who lived through this are the lowest of the low to them and doing anything to us and saying anything about us is fine and if we object it's because we're oversensitive and need to shut up and take all the abuse we get heaped on us, because GOD FORBID anyone not get to have their fun valorizing sexual abuse at our expense! we're all acceptable collateral for their entertainment! it's just like. not fair.

[gaylienz]

everyone forgive me but im gonna rant a bit about something stupid that literally doesnt really matter at all but still makes me mad so.

just i cant quite believe the audacity of new people who come into a fandom space and then get absolutely furious about what they find to the point where they create self policing rules and regulations about what is 'acceptable' behavior....as if that isn't the wildest thing ever? as if fandom isn't supposed to be fun? as if it isnt about taking a piece of media, art, something you FEEL things about and just tearing it to shreds (in a good way), consuming it and writing and drawing and interacting, engaging with a story....as if that isnt the most human thing ever?? i'll be clear and say that this is about people who came into the invader zim fandom after the movie came out and thought that they could police the place...it still flabbergasts me all these kids who's views on the world were so...black and white and non-nuanced when the very show/movie/comic they were enjoying was all about the ways people aren't good or evil but just people (stupid people but people none the less).

im not sure if its quite possible to get across the vitriol directed at something so innocuous...most of it was about shipping bc of course. again, this is about a cartoon made by a guy who wrote johnny the homicidal maniac....and characters that are decades old at this point...with a fandom full of people in their 20s/30s/40s+ bc we all grew up re-watching the show over and over again. people made call out posts and sent anon hate and suicide bait and created like lists of known 'ped*s' as if wanting two fictional characters from a stupid show to kiss and hold hands was the same as something so utterly horrendous and vile. almost as if it's the literal easiest way to dehumanize and 'other' whatever gives you that knee jerk disgust reaction....

literally if anyone had any type of understanding of nuance, shit wouldn't have gotten to the point of people being driven off the website...where the IZ fandom is right now where its littered with empty and deactivated accounts bc y'all kids and others without critical thinking skills created a hostile ass fucking space that no one wanted to step foot in unless they got dog-piled and/or doxxed.

i wonder what the problem was?

was it REALLY the people who believed in seeing SOMETHING like LOVE between fictional cartoon characters?

or was it those who decided that those people MUST BE irredeemable monsters and child predators without thinking TWICE?

[rulerzreachf4n7]

(If you're just trying to find some cute ship art for like lumity or huntlow and you find this I'm sorry I just want this to get some recognition cause I'm new to the Tumblr community 😭😭)

Hello there and welcome to me rating different TOH ships!

It'll be in a format like a iceberg chart, the more well known ships at the top and more unknown and obscure ships in the middle and below

Also know this is my opinion and I have given reasons why I don't like and ship the ones I'm going to list, don't get mad at me cause I don't ship whatever the fuck you like

And with that let's go!

The surface

1. Lumity 9/10

Actually a really good ship, I don't know why people keep on saying it's a toxic/unhealthy ship, the only reasons they say is that they lie to each other,Amity somehow "hurts" Luz and never gives her a proper apology...? Im sorry but it's fucking stupid, there's other reasons but I don't remember them, I gave it a 9/10 because it's okay, nothing astonishing or amazing, just good wlw rep and that's all that matters

2. Huntlow 100000/10

WORDS CANNOT DESCRIBE HOW MUCH I FUCKING LOVE THIS SHIP OMG!!!! I wish it could have gotten confirmed or more hints throughout the show (I personally think it would have been a cool idea that after kings tide Hunter and Willow started dating and it would be shown in TTT) it's just a really cute ship to me and I love everything about it >_<!!!

3. Raeda 10/10

It's a really cool ship, but I was confused on the whole is Eda bisexual or pansexual thing cause she's confirmed bisexual but Raines non binary...and now supposedly bisexual people can be attracted to non binary people??? It's just hella confusing to me, but that's a topic on it's own for a different time, I really like how they developed and definitely TTBK was and is one of my favorite episodes

4. Veesha 8/10

It's actually canon that Vee has a crush on Masha and thats all I need to know...GAHHH IT'S SUCH A CUTE SHIP!! Really cool thing how Dana is adding some much non binary characters in the show (NOT including the collector cause he's demiboy NOT non binary, there's a huge ass difference) wish there could have been some development/hints in the WAD, sadly not, but that doesn't mean it won't be confirmed!

5. Gustholomule 8/10

By far one of my ships but sadly not on the top 3,yet again, needed more hints, especially in s2a cause Gus and Matty had more screen time and interactions together,and I love how the fandom just agreed Matty was gay, and not to mention the friendship with Matty and Amity

6. Belpaw 10000/10

this is a joke ship between Belos and springtrap/William Afton from fnaf but it's absolutely fucking hilarious to me and I love it

Now, time to go under the surface, here are some ships that some people know/ship but not much people do, and the further I go we'll get to the more...problematic ships, yet again, don't get mad at me for my opinions

1. Lunter -100/10

Please block this account immediately if you ship lunter I CANNOT STAND THIS SHIP!!! Sure, they had some pretty decent chemistry and interactions with each other, but it just won't work! There's no use in shipping a character with a canon love interest/already dating someone and just choosing to ignore it and ship them anyway, PLUS FOR THOSE SHIPPERS WHO ACTUALLY GOT FUCKING MAD CAUSE IT DIDN'T BECOME CANON I'M ACTUALLY SHITTING BRICKS ON HOW FUCKING STUPID THAT WAS 💀💀💀💀 plus Willows a canon love interest to Hunter, Zeno, HUNTERS VA, literally changed his name to Hunter noceda, and no it's not wlw erasure, but if you acknowledge the fact that lumity is canon, if you acknowledge the fact Dana put her hardwork and effort trying to get a same sex couple in a kid's show which literally got it CANCELLED, and still ship it, disrespectfully shut the fuck up, lunter would be canon if FUCKING NETFLIX MADE TOH 😭😭😭

2. Huntric/Huntmira -100000/10

I. Hate. This. Ship. I put them together cause I didn't want to make seperate sections for it, now you're gonna read me rant on how much I fucking despise this ship, number one, EDRIC IS FUCKING DATING SOMEONE, no interactions (only one with Edric but none with Emira) the mfs literally degraded him in labyrinth runners, no chemistry whatsoever, its overall just not worth your time, and I'm not a toxic huntlow stan, no I won't force the ship on you, however I will block you because I don't want that shit on my feed, same goes for lunter and the other ships I'm gonna mention

3. Luz x Willow, Amity, or all of them together 5/10

Ngl, it's not that bad of a ship, actually really cute, but I couldn't see it happening in the show given that lumity is already canon, plus we should normalize healthy friendships between two girls, not everyone needs to be shipped and the toh community has a huge fucking problem with that, plus this also goes for Amity x Willow as well

4. Camila x Eda (i dunno the official ship name 😭😭😭) 5/10

It's mid, I SAID IT I SAID IT!!! *hides in bed* I'm sorry the ship is mid, raeda is canon already and they didn't have any dialogue, interactions,chemistry together only other than people want Camila to date/marry someone,and the only part when they actually meet is in WAD and that one picture of Eda showing Camila the Apple blood, other than that it's meh, eh, mid

5. Boscha x literally anyone -1000/10

Disrespectfully shut the fuck up if you ship boschlow, boschmity, or boschluz, THESE ARE EXTREMELY TOXIC SHIPS AND YOU'VE PROBABLY NEVER EVEN WATCHED WING IT LIKE WITCHES OR THE ENTIRE FIRST SEASON OF TOH, YOU MUST HAVE SEVERE BRAIN DAMAGE IF YOU THOUGHT THIS WAS OKAY, Boscha is literally their bully, IT'S NOT THE ENEMIES TO LOVERS STORY YOU WANT POOKIE, the only one that isn't as severe is boschmity, that one, unlike the other ships isn't as bad cause boscha genuinely likes Amity and if you watched FTF you'd know why, plus boscha must had have the fattest crush on Amity, but the only boscha ship good is Boschbria (Boscha x Bria)

6. Veenter 10-/10

No...why must I have come to this...NOOO!!! okay, first off, ima just put this in the most direct, black and white, simple way, it fucking sucks, no interactions that support the ship, no chemistry, like I said, I'm a raging Huntlow stan, this ship is unacceptable, plus I like found...a potential r34 comic of them BUT WE DON'T NEED TO KNOW THAT HAHAH....oh fucking god...

The pit, here lays all the problematic ships, also uhm TW maybe??? I am gonna use words like p3dph1l1a, @buse, Child @buse,and pr0sh1p alot, so if it makes you uncomfy just a warning, and with that, lets go...

1. Camphip -infinity/10

I HAVE A RAGING HATE FOR THIS SHIP OH MY FUCKING TITAN, okay, I know Camila is an adult and belos is...well he's an old fucking geezer,but the age gap gives me the ick, but let's just start, it's @busive, Camila literally said she wanted to beat him up in the beginning of FTF, AND I DUNNO, DO YOU THINK A 400+ GENOCIDAL EMPEROR WHO @BUSED 50+ GRIMWALKERS WHO COULD HAVE POSSIBLY BE KIDS (and by kids they'd be at least 11/12-16, still pretty younge though)MANIPULATED MILLIONS OF WITCHES AND DEMONS, AND KILLED HIS BROTHER IS A GOOD HUSBAND/BOYFRIEND MATERIAL? disrespectfully shut the fuck up, given the fact of think Luz, Vee, and Hunter are all Camila's children (or at least that's what I headcanon) DO YOU THINK THEY'D BE HAPPY TO KNOW THAT THEIR MOTHER IS DATING THE PERSON WHO CAUSED THEM SO MUCH FUCKING PAIN AND ABUSE????ESPECIALLY HUNTER, BELOS FUCKING SAID HE DIDN'T EVEN GIVE A SHIT ABOUT HUNTER IN HOLLOW MIND, CLOUDS ABOVE THE HORIZON,AND IN THANKS TO THEM, HE LITERALLY TRIED TO K1LL HIM, THIS SHIP WOULD ONLY BE FINE IF IT WAS IN A GOOD BELOS AU, THE ONLY WAY, I will immediately block you if you ship Belos x Camila, I hate it HATE IT AND I'M DEAD FUCKING SERIOUS

2. Amity x Gus or Hunter -infinity/10

You're lesbianphobic, go fuck yourself if you ship Amity with any male characters

3. Empgold/Huntlos -infinity/10

It's pr0ship, p3d0philia, and @buse, Hunter is 16 and Belos is 400+ years old, you can't ship a character with someone's who dead so it wouldn't matter if you ship them after the time skip when Hunters 20, Belos @bused Hunter, the scar on his cheek and the whole fucking possession scene in TTT might give you a hint, Belos never cared for Hunter and only saw him as a tool, he tried to k1ll him in Hollow Mind, and in Thanks to them, if you ship them, I am blocking you, and I say this proudly

4. Guster -infinity/10

I. Hate. This. Ship, AND FUCK YOU GUSTER BUBBLE BATH YOU FUCKING MADE ME HATE IT EVEN MORE (please don't question what the guster bubble bath is, DO NOT SEARCH IT UP IT IS AN R34 COMIC...unless you wanna get traumatized, but it's cool baby girl) I hate this ship, there's plenty of interactions, but they give off a more sibling energy,and that's a reason why I don't ship it, I see them as siblings, I get they could somehow date cause of cosmic frontier but it's more of a similarity than a romantic aspect just like with Amity and Luz with the good witch Azura,its also uhm *COUGH COUGH* p3d0philia if you ship their time skip versions (Hunter is 20 and Gus is 16), the reason why I put it so low is because I feel like it's not as well know but not as obscure (plus I did this all rushed so I had no fucking time)

And ladies, bros, non binary folks, that's the end! You've endured all my criticism so take a damn break, you deserve it

And special credits to ships I didn't include!

Luz x Anne/Marcy (Amphibia)

Hunter x Sasha (Amphibia)

Gus x Willow

Gus x Bria

Luz x Marco (svtfoe)

Gus x Vee

Luz x viney

Edric x Emira

Eda x Belos

Eda x Darius

Amity x Marcy (amphibia)

Belos x Luz

The Collector x King, any member of the hexsquad

Amity x Odalia

Eda x Dana

Darius x Raine

Belos x Kikimora

Kikimora x Puss in boots (oh god yes that's exists)

Aaand....

Lilith x Belos/Hooty/Steve/Eda!!!

I hope someone at least read this cause I made this in a damn hurry!!!

[amigac0debasic13]

inhaling so heavily so so heavily,, hey guys its me im back. ninjago. This is just a huge rant about me HATING how trauma is handled in this show. ignore this if you do not want to see my HORRORS.

WHY. IS TRAUMA NOT A FUCKING THING IN THIS STUPID ASS SHOW. Im on another rewatch because im FUCKING INSANE but it drives me actually mad that there are so many downright horrific things that happen to these characters that are just NEVER addressed. lets talkabout the fucking first one that caught my eye when I was first watching the show!!! Im basically going from least infuriating to most infuriating, im trying to cut this show some slack but dear god. !!WHY IS COLE OKAY MAN. HE LITERALLY DIEEED. HE TURNED INTO A GHOST. listen Iknow ninjago death means nothing, and im going to talk about that too but he literally could have ceased to exist if he so much as touched water. after he got his body back, why was this never FUCKING mentioned. I think. if I was in a perpetual state of being horrified my existence would amount to nothing and id just stop BEING when I touched some clear shit coming out of my sink id be pretty scarred for life. I loved possession man, but this happened to TWO CHARACTERS. TWOOO. AND THE OTHER CHARACTER IS LLOYD. lets not even MENTION that hes been exploited the moment everyone found out he was a green ninja, and before that a bunch of grown ass people were bullying a CHILD WHO IS ACTUALLY HOMELESS, lets talk about how his fucking body was taken over by Morro while he ALSO worries about his DAD BEING STUCK IN THE FUCKING UNDERWORLD. IM LOSING IT. IM LOSSINGG ITT. On a smaller note, MISAKO ABANDONED LLOYD. KILL HER. I am the hashtag misako hater garmadon deserves better. The show made no attempt for them to bond or try to make amends for what happened when Lloyd was a kid, she barely appears at all really and it just makes me fucking despise her. ALSO MORRO. this kid. reminding you, CHILD, fucking died in a cave. the cave we SAW in the pilot, if i remember right which is FUCKING INSANE>,,?? we SEE HIS SKELETON. THAT IS A CHILDS SKELETON. never mentioned again after episode 8 I don't think. now the MEAT. THE MEATT. whatever the FUCK went on with garmadon after he got resurrected. They actually did cover this a bit with how Lloyd acted around garmadon, but crystalized also sucked ass and really gave us nothing on how Garmadon felt about this. on god im so sick that hes so normal shaped in crystalized too, He was literally growling with every breath in sons of garmadon why is he normal now. Its been years, i get it. also the Garmadon comic. but he SHOULDNT be a normal person whos just an asshole, I want him to be feral okay?? ok??? I am playfully gesturing to Devils Horns by TeuthidaRegina (did i spell that right. idk man. Its a super fucking good fanfic.)

ALSO Vinnys apartment is very inaccurate there should be scratch marks on the walls and then they should kiss. ANYWAYS Besides this, Lloyd being mad at Garmadon was really all we got for how *he* was effected by his once loving father now randomly coming back with his ribs exposed and only being able to say like. 3 words. and also him immediately trying to kill Lloyd. I feel like we should have gotten a LOT more man. Now this isn't really a problem with the show (Its a huge problem in crystalized but that's a given) but more a problem with the fandom, so that's why I'm putting it at the end. this does not hold relevancy over garmadon becoming a BEAST. (also garmadon becoming a beast is the best thing that ever happened in this show btw. you all are wrong and he should have been animalistic from the beginning. still nice. but he should have also growled. all the time.) My issue is with how people portray harumi. I already had my Harumi spout in a post I made earlier, but I only mentioned the toxicity of the ship with her and Lloyd a little bit. Let us THINK BACK on how she literally feels nothing for Lloyd at all. He was a stepping stone in getting Garmadon back, and she probably straight up hates him. She pretends to like him to manipulate him into helping her resurrect garmadon ok?? do we understand?? Ive seen actual tags on AO3 that say "no harumi hate here" and I am so done. all the harumi hate. dont FUCKING talk to me if you want to justify the downright horrendous things shes done. That ship is toxic as hell and Lloyd is downright being abused AGAIN for like the FIVE BILLIONTH TIME IN HIS LIFE. I dont care man. shes an abusive bitch. i HATE HER. Crystalized made the worst fucking decision trying to justify her and I genuinely hate whoever thought that was a good and right decision to make. If she comes back in dragons rising i hope she dies AGAIN, but Im honestly rooting for them to ignore crystalized's existence. Now finally, this is the absolute peak of how Ninjago shittily handles trauma. the ICE EMPEROR. Zane was stuck in a fucking hellscape of a realm for like. what was it. EIGHTY YEARS??? he went fucking mad man, he turned into a bloodthirsty tyrant during that time. and when this seasons conflict was fixed with the "power of friendship" the show literally mentions that the ice emperor is STILL INSIDE ZANES NOGGIN. AND WHAT DOTHEY DOO?? THEY MAKE IT INTO A FUCKING JOKE. its honestly almost disgusting to me how they handled it, Zane has DIED BEFORE. that's bad. he should have trauma. BUT Zane LITERALLY HAS A BLOODTHIRSTY KILLER IN HIS FUCKING HEAD. DO NOT JOKE ABOUT THIS SHIT. ACTUALLY. HE SHOULD HAVE SOME RELUCTANCE TO USING HIS POWERS OR SOMETHING, ANYTHING MAN. HE KILLLED AN ENTIRE RACEE. Genuinely this is one of my favorite shows, and I love adding onto the shaky ass plot and making it better, but I cannot DEAL with this. Im going to throw in the shit that happened in the spinjitzu brothers book, because oh my god Wu and Garmadon should be fucked up with all the stuff they have had to deal with for like. 5 thousand years. but its fine. its okay. its the book series. I wont mention it. (that book series is so good please release the final book please) ((I LOVE wu and garmadon they are some of my favorite characters in the ENTIRE series im blinking my eyes at you. please go indepth on those two. also give Wu a dragon form, or an Oni form, or literally anything he IS NOT HUMAN.) Also if anyone tells me im ignoring skybound its because I do not need to say anything about skybound. we all know what happened. we ALLL know what the fuck they did to Nya. and fucking. mister possibly a pedo creep man who does not care about consent. I dont even remember his name thats how bad I hate him .

[congratsloserr]

obx s4 spoilers and my 5 opinions no one asked for ahead:

okay so I have zero friends and I can’t keep talking to my sister about obx anymore or i’ll be talking her ears completely off so here are my unwanted opinions😭

1.) i’m actually enjoying this season more than s3. I genuinely can’t even go back and watch s3 bc everyone is so off and awkward. you can literally feel the tension through the screen. but in this season everything is wayyy better like it feels almost like s1 again again to me personally.

2.) idk if im feeling luke not being jj dad storyline…like it would make way more sense if luke was his uncle or way older brother or something but he was literally getting abused for no reason at all. Also it would have been better if in s3 luke would have said “im not your real dad jj” then left because tbh I forgot all about him until jj found him at that guys house😭. then jj getting the letter and finding luke would have been more intense. also I hated the part where luke was like “well isn’t it obvious?” like no?? not at all actually😭 even rudy said he was confused by this LMAO like it doesn’t make any sense to mess with jj’s character now when it’s about to end.

anyways my fault for the rant but I hope that makes sense like overall I just hate that luke abused jj for no reason but also the fact of how random it is. like i’ve seen almost everyone’s theory on how we did get hints throughout the show but none of them are adding up.

3.) this one is more for the fandom rather than the show. so as yall may or may not know im in love with rafe just as much as everyone else BUTTT I will not excuse all the shit he has done. everyone is making excuses and is mad at sarah for not speaking to him but are completely forgetting that he would their lives a living hell.

not only has he tried to kill sarah 3-4 times but has beat up pope what 3-4 times as well, beat up jj, killed peterkin, framed john b, stole and melted the cross. oh also tried to kill his dad I forgot about that.

like he’s not some saint because he’s hot, the reason why sarah won’t speak to him (or why all the pogues are scared of him) is all HIS fault and no one else’s (ward is part of the problem but in the end of the day he’s been grown since the start of season these were/are his own decisions)

yall are treating him as if he can do no wrong. he needs to truly prove himself to sarah if he wants his family back because his actions are unacceptable. like yall pitying him because he’s sadly looking at her at beach and their pictures together like please.. it’s laughable how yall just forgetting how insane he was.

4.) on a better note for rafe, im actually really loving him and sofia together but im not sure how long it will last. she’s obviously making a difference in his life and he’s listening to her BUT she did go behind his back about that deal. now im wondering if she will tell him and they “break up” (he said they are just hooking up) or she goes through with it anyways because she did go back on her word after he signed the paper.

anyways back to sofia and rafe’s relationship, I think I love it because all of you writers on here got him so accurate it’s scary like yall got him down to the T😭

5.) if this is the last season I really hope they end it correctly and not abruptly or in any way that doesn’t give obx justice. like I don’t want it to be as rushed as it’s already been this season. I don’t even know how they’d end it like it’s not some story you can just end tbh😭 I just want everyone happy, they’ve all gone through so much.

6.) my fault one more I thought of is the rumor… I swear if jj dies because of this stupid ass curse im canceling my subscription like immediately.

alrighty guys I hope yall enjoyed my ted talk that again no one asked for. feel free to comment on any of my opinions but also remember im just a girl like please chill on me✋🏽🫶🏽

[therosevest]

going to pointlessly ramble about the grammys just cause im annoyed and bored at work:

in no way is anti hero a song worthy of an award as stupid as the institution giving it might be. did a lot for fandom edits but stop giving that woman grammys just cause shes popular oh my god. that album sucked

ill keep these next two complaints separate. guts was fine but not good enough for album of the year are we kidding. i knew it was gonna happen and got preemptively a little bit mad. sorry olivia and her fans i love u girl but stop giving teenagers grammys it's really going to their heads. im tired. nowhere to be seen: the rise and fall of a midwest princess or javelin. ok. guts was better than harrys house as an album nominee by a decent amount... but not enough. come on.

boygenius being on there but not muna or chappell or paramore. once again. boring. sorry i still havent listened to the whole record but it's so obvious theyre getting up there because they had a lot of popularity skyrocketing this year and theyre the whitest/most vague and performative about their queerness. i am not saying the artists themselves and the way they behave is performative btw im just saying like. chappell has local drag queens at every tour date. muna brings out a variety of artists for their openers and brought a trans choir to one of their days at. wait was that in la. well regardless it was recent. im just saying they dont engage with the broader queer community as much like hurrah yay tits out but. be serious. they are not the best performers or lyricists.

i guess kill bill is fine as song of the year but the rest of these... why isnt speed drive on there if we're including barbie songs.

best new artist. im appalled chappell isnt there but whatever. as fine as his music seems im sick of hearing about this noah guy.

BEST POP DUO/GROUP PERFORMANCE. AND YOU PUT KARMA BY TAYLOR AND ICE SPICE. PLEASE BE SERIOUS. THAT WAS SO FORGETTABLE AND STUPID AND AWFUL. OH MY GOD WE'RE IN HELL SORRY TO BE DRAMATIC. FUCK OFF AND DIE I AM SO SICK OF SEEING THAT WOMANS NAME (sorry ice spice). WHY THE ABSOLUTE FUCK IS ONE THAT GOT AWAY NOT THERE (well apologies if it only counts feature songs usually...... whatever.)

the fact that fast car luke combs is on there. WHAT EXACTLY DID HE DO. HE TOOK A LESBIAN'S SONG AND SANG IT LIKE. OK. HE DID NOT WRITE THAT SHIT. IT'S NOT THAT GOOD OF A COVER. KYS!!!!

yeah whatever naturally charli wouldnt show up for best soundtrack on bottoms. and maybe it wasnt like THE best score ever but it was so much fun.

fast car is on here twice. im clenching my fists.

at least rush is on here i guess... why no other troye noms even.

best pop vocal album and u have olivia and taylor there. this is how u can tell pop music rn is in the shits. sorry. neither of them have bad voices theyre just singers not vocalists. not to be pretentious but if the whole category is about vocals.

i wont hate on them for this but olivia and boygenius are the only women you could come up with for the rock category. what about nova twins. ig their genre is weird but neither of them wholly fit it either. ok also their album is from 2022. whatever

best music video and they have rush but not got me started or whatever or one of your girls.... right. omg caroline rose is on here (not mv) i liked her one song

k well then theres a lot of others sorry to neglect but whatever. in conclusion. im sick. and tired.

[krisseratops]

Hi! How about A9, B9 and C6? Oh, and D10!

Hiiii hon! Alright lets see...

A9. Who was your first ship?

The earliest ship I remember that I got actually invested in is Reaper76 from Overwatch. I mean, traumatized old gay men who like to shoot at each other and have a HistoryTM? It covers all the basics for me. Also this ship is what made me find AO3, so it kinda introduced me to fandom as a whole and is therefore technically responsible for all the madness that came after it.

B9. Who is your OTP?

You know, I was going to say this is a hard question because I have so many pairings I like in several fandoms and I dont really pick favorites because I like different aspects about them and also Im indecisive. And then I remembered Symbrock. And nothing really comes near the level of absolutely messy devotion of (comics!)Symbrock. So yeah.

C6. Is there anything in canon that made you want to quit the show? What was it? Why do you hate it?

Oh boy, here we go... So not a show, but allllll the shit Cates did with absolute garbage & co and what came after essentially made me quit venom comics and comics in general. Do I even need to explain myself? Like I was keeping up with Venom and also Spider-man and some others because it was fun and enjoyable. And then came the egregious retconning, inconsistencies, character butchering (both how they were written but also literally), characters dying and coming back and dying again and coming back again and fucking gods apparently and how every single issue was The Most Shocking And Dramatic Things The Characters Have Ever Been Through and everything is just edgy and grimdark and angsty and so fucking STUPID and it was just. It wasnt fun or enjoyable anymore, only exhausting and frustrating and sad. And not sad like a sad story makes you feel, but sad like watching something you care about irreparably crash and burn in real time without being able to do anything about it and knowing you can never have it back the way it was (which there is enough of IRL). So I powered through until king in black where I just said "reading this bullshit is draining and depressing and doesnt bring me anything, its not worth it anymore so fuck it" and just stopped. And with my main reason for reading comics gone I ditched marvel comics altogether because lets be honest keeping up with all the different stories and timelines and crossovers and whatnot is exhausting cuz theres just so damn much going on all the time. And why torment yourself with shitty canon when you can have wonderful fanfics tailored to your specific tastes all for free? So I quit comics, read fics instead, got into some new fandoms, indulged my hc and have ever since been living blissfully unaware of the burning dumpster fire (derogatory) that is canon. I only see glimpses of it when it crosses my dash, which I use for cherrypicking for my hc and aggressively ignore the rest.

D10. What is one story idea you really want to read but no one has written yet?

I have a whole lot of story ideas I really want to read (my hcs) that no one has written yet (that would be cuz of me not writing them). But for real, I would love more stories with symbiote & spider-people shenanigans. Like there was this one comic of Peter, Miles and Gwen meeting Venom and fighting Doc Ock toghether and they were kinda buddies? More stuff like that, that has spider/symbiote interaction besides them just trying to kill each other. Maybe it exists and I just havent found it. But like, Venom in spiderverse, they have to team up with the spider gang and they kinda get along because he doesnt have any personal beef with them. He will absolutely recite and discuss Shakespear with that medieval spiderman, be enamored with little Mayday, and be nothing but gentlemanly toward spider ma'am. The other spiders find that "yeah he is freaky and has some dubious morals but isnt actually just an evil monster, he just doesnt like you Peter". The Peter in question does not like it one bit. Him and Venom (barely) tolerate each other, as they always do when they team up, but are constantly petty and passive aggressive towards each other in a funny way, bickering like an old married couple. Because of the nature of their history they also know stuff about each other and will casually drop highly personal details about the other that makes the other spiders go "👀 you sure he's your enemy and not just your ex?". Which Peter likes even less. Other story ideas i desperately need is ANYTHING WITH ANTI-VENOM HOLY SHIT WHERE IS MY BABY!?!?!?! I need stories that let him be a silly dumbass and a pathetic wet beast and occasionally getting railed that dont just exist in my head. But the amount of content on him is just dismal. I often feel like the sole inhabitant of the ghost town that is the Anti-Venom fandom. I've come across one (1) quality fic that portrays him properly (thank you @kitausuret for your invaluable service) and good art is hard to come by compared to other characters. And I realize that if I want more art of him and an Anti-Venom x Agent Venom arch-enemies-to-reluctant-allies-to-even-more-reluctant-friends-to-how-the-hell-did-this-happen excruciating slow burn, I will probably have to do it myself, which hghgnghgnhhh will take forever, but oh well.

Well, this sorta turned into an essay that turned into an impromptu vent post. Hope thats okay and you got your answers!

[hyperrealisticblood]

can i say marios madness for the fandom one is that allowed

okay hopefully this one will be shorter and i wont write twenty billion words. funny scary mario mod

favorite character: its a tie between dj hallyboo and mx for me. hallyboo has been my blorbo in law for years now so i already liked him as a character before the mod dropped and people actually started giving a fuck about him. mx is just neat :]

least favorite character: why the fuck is racist mario here. girl go home (second place is chris pratt if he even counts)

5 favorite ships (canon or non-canon): (skipping this one because i cant think of five ships sorry </3)

character i find most attractive: i would let mx do the most heinous shit to me like im not even fucking joking. when i saw powerdown v2 for the first time and i saw how fucking massive i was something fundamental changed inside of my mind. i am moving on before i say something that gets this blog taken down

character i would marry: uh. somari seems the least likely to kill me so i guess him!!!

character i would be best friends with: see above

a random thought: i will never understand why sm64 classified got three songs. like im sure its a fine series but youre telling me we got a second song about luigi in mario 64 and not victim 01. fuck off

an unpopular opinion: i dont think anyone who follows this blog is trapped in funkin discourse purgatory like i am (for the love of god please help me) but when the mod came out there was a lot of debate surrounding the fact that boyfriend expresses things like fear and anger in various songs. for those not in the know (KEEP IT THAT WAY) in canon funkin the reason given that bf and gf are never scared of the enemies is that "theyre too stupid to be afraid". i already dont like that because it makes them boring as fuck so i dont mind mm deviating from that at all. could you imagine mm if bf and gf were just sat there making their fucking free roblox cosmetic ass expressions for two hours. i would have committed higurashi fingernail scene

my canon OTP: grand dad and somari canonically being married is soooo swag

non-canon OTP: i mean its vaguely canon on one side because of pasta night but shinto/coronation peach is :]

most badass character: devil mario stinks so bad of "2000s edgy deviantart oc" and i fuck with it heavy

pairing i am not a fan of: mx/coronation peach :( that is a lesbian and a gay man to me lmao

character i feel the writers screwed up (in one way or another): i cant really think of any?? i think the art in day out is scuffed as fuck but i dont think that counts

favorite friendship: i miss mx and lord x being bros so bad....... like i wouldnt mind if it just wasnt canon anymore but the fact that its also banned as a fanon thing really sucks :(

anyways sorry for talking about friday night funkin. i will absolutely do it again

[starlooove]

ok I'm NOT much of a DC reader but your dukeblogging has convinced me. but do you have a reading list (DC has more crises than I do. it's intimidating) by any chance

YEAHAHSJS

Ok so like Im not a REAL dc blogger so I don’t really have my own reading list; I basically focus heavily on black characters across the board and then dive into wherever they’re from but I usually use other reading lists to do it and go at my own (slow ass) pace. For DC i started fandom only and then moved on to actually reading comics which is why my opinions are so strong there bc I KNOW WHAT YALL ARE LIKE!

Sorry but now for Duke specifically I KNOW there’s a specifc blogger who’s list I followed down to the T but I cannot remember their url rn so here’s a list/chart that has like. Listings for him specifically

That’s mostly to follow timeline but for me I think to get his character down u could do all star Batman, Batman and the signal, the outsiders, WAR and then branch out from there (but also saying this as someone who’s read most of it so like maybe I’m biased and missing or forgetting smth). I’m sorry if this isn’t helpful but as SOON as I find that reading list I’m posting it bc I swear I literally went down that list one by one.

Edit: the tags are part of the answer but I ran out of room so post tags;

- tbh when it comes down to it I personally try to absorb character by character and then put them all together at the end; it’s what I’m currently doing with green arrow (I know it’s been months y’all don’t call paw patrol I’m STUPID) and my plan for moving forward but also fully acknowledging this sucks as a way to interact with other established fans however. Other established fans have proven to be racist and misunderstand characterization and character interaction on a fundamental level SOMETIMES (BC y’all get mad) bc they’re so focused on their faves so in conclusion If I don’t find the specific lists I used I’d get them from stan blogs and then be careful cause u know everyone’s using their faves BEST comics so just remember this is what THEY think is the best or most accurate Interpretation and u don’t have to agree (RR the road home and YJ98 sorry to be shitting on them again. Not even them but how ppl read them. Diff story tho)

-but also despite me obviously shitting on certain characters runs or interpretations I think the best thing you could do is give everyone a fair chance. Blank slate in ur mind if ur JUST starting and see where u go from there but also remember to check ur biases and think about WHY certain things get included or retconned or explained away bc that’s where a lot of ppl falter in thinking their fave is just misunderstood or smth.

FOUND THE LIST sorry this has been in and out for the drafts while searching so in conclusion FR;

I hope this helped but I think I sound insane just please read these <3

[butterkreme]

ok finally putting my thoughts on ii into one "coherent" post. remember my opinions are flawed always and forever.

fair warning this is a lot of words

This show drives me insane. In both good ways and bad. Thank GOD this isnt the ending because that would've genuinely been the worst object show ending i've ever seen (tho tbf not many of them get to end lmao) but it isnt so we're moving on. The main focus is clearly on Mephone4's story right now, which is fine and dandy. The narriative of abuse and generational trauma they have going on is mostly solid, if a bit cheesy at times but like that's fine. Cheese is fine. but what is not fine is essentially leaving every other character in the dust for that! screwing everyone else over!! the tacomic reunion was so boring. so many characters didnt even get to say a WORD this episode before oop they r fuckkn dead. there is time to rectify the messiness but i have a feeling when/if they're brought back (god if they stay dead then thats a whole other story) it won't be rectified. it'll just be Happy Reunion Times and more hollow fandom feels fodder. but it is not fair for me to judge a show based on what has yet to happen. still stands tho that they got sidelined HEAVILY. so many of the contestants got literally nothing and with the ones we did get to see they just sped through their arcs to maximize the Despair of them dying. Like with the hamfisted payjay fight in ep16 making it so that ouuuugh the last time they talked they were fighting ouuuuuuugh.... so sads..... like cmon. im literally a payjay divorce stan i think their relationship is doomed to fail. but that was so obviously just a move to make oj dying more ✨️Dramatik✨️. and then there's the weird constant hate balloon keeps getting, like oh no he was. kinda rude. and suitcase is a 'backstabber?' for defending him i guess?? gonna cutely ignore the absolute mess of an arc that balloon had in s3 because s3 doesnt exist but why does knife get on suitcase's... hhe hehehh... on her CASE.... about trusting balloon? what was the reason!!!! knife you were WAY worse than him in season 1!!! you are NOT one to say she's stupid for believing he could change!!! goddd ae you can and have done so much better which is why im not able to let it go. "why did you make us broken" "because that's all i know" that exchange goes SO hard and i KNOW they know it. they do such good shit sometimes that it just makes me sooooooO MAD when they don't. grrrrrghrhh ok. im normal.

theres a lot of plot holes that arise from their apparent insistance of taking everything in the early series at face value, which I'll skim over because there's a chance that it'll be addressed in ep 18. but a chance is just a chance... we'll see. i will come back to this if neccesary. that and season three being something that like actually canonically happened throws in so much timeline confusion like... the contestants said it they saw him the night before the challenge began in episode 15?? i know there's no way that all happened so fast. did meph like. pause them?? how??? it's so confusing. again this might be answered ep 18 (or honestly it's more likely i missed something) but like. how did tt and fan have time to make bot. what's going on. it shouldnt really matter but they made a specific point of mentioning barely any time passed. so they're making it matter. AND ON THE TOPIC OF MEPH NOT REMEMBERING HE CREATED THEM THOUGH. WHY!!!! WHY DIDNT HE REMEMBER!!!!!!! was it an attempt to absolve him or wrongdoing?? cuz thats cheap as hell! did he remove the memories in the gem cave?? did he like generate them and then run off and erase his memories after that? so then how did he get the s2 contestants?? were they just on standby? and the one-off bit characters??? i genuinely hope he's lying about that. it'd be way more interesting and make so much more sense. like, even now when the guilt of what he did to them is so crushing that he can't stop himself from telling them the truth he has to bend it in a desperate attempt to keep them from hating him because this is all he had but really he just makes everything worse type beat. and the point cherries made about 'ouh you didnt question your ocs magically coming to life??' is such a solid point and mephone's response is such a nonanswer. just dodging the question essentially. it's almost like the writers didnt have an answer either so they made sure to mention in an attempt to wiggle around it being a major dent in the plot. again i sincerely hope he's lying about that. him not remembering that adds nothing but plotholes.

ok thats about it except for two little things. i have no idea how to bring these up naturally but i need to mention them anyway. my second favorite line in the episode is paper's mention of evil paper being reductive. i dont think it was meant to be funny but it was so funny to me. it was obviously a half-assed attempt at addressing some of the early series ableism because they couldnt get away with just quietly deleting those bits like they did with most of it since it was an active plot point (edit: this point is dumb. i shouldn't get on their asses for what they wrote when they were kids. they didnt even need to address it since they've pretty obviously grown from that and are trying to do better but they did anyway. still not a fan of how they just removed a bunch of the problermatic s1 lines without saying anything tho). but im kinda obsessed with the implications. the implication of paper researching plurality after getting eliminated is so good. idk why it's so funny to me though, perhaps the bluntness?? idk it adds to paper's character esp considering he's been a tad... heh hehehh heh... FLAT..... thanks to only having an active role in s1 as "the kind and meek one". like yas go off!!! (edit 2 ive seen a lot of my fellow evil paper fans be disappointed by this probably being the last we'll hear of evil paper and they r so right actually. i still found the line really funny, esp bc i was not expecting ep to be brought up again at all so it was quite out of left field for me, but for them to just go ''hey remember this thing we did that a lot of people connect to despite it being problematic? yeah instead of bringing it back and making an active effort to write it better we're just gonna mention it was bad. sorry lol" is laaaaame. bring him back and write him right ok?) aaand the other thing is toilet and suitcase's little interaction of "it might be hard to believe this but i made a mistake!!" "... :o!!!" was funny and really sweet too. like she's still a bit of a dummy and she's still a sweetheart who sees the best in everyone despite it all!! despite the bitterness and the horrors she really does just believe in others!!! suitcase stay winning i love you so much girllllll even if ae has no idea how to handle writing your psychosis. like wow they are bad at that.

ok thats enough of that. this show oh my goddd.

[lnc2]

sorry im getting confused by all the posts you're making. Do you hate marichat? ive seen a lot of people getting rlly mad and like idk if its a bad thing to like jt and im getting worried fr lol

i can see why you’d be confused bc i’ve seen some wild takes on all sides today so let me make MY position 100% clear:

i absolutely do not hate marichat. i’m a love square girly this i was fucking screaming this whole episode. we should all be fucking celebrating rn

if you’re seeing any negativity from me it has nothing to do with the episode. i fucking loved this episode. but it’s super unfortunate that every time we get some great marichat content the worst of the stans come out in droves. they’re the stans who go into the ladrien tag to shit on ladrien. they’re the ones spouting off nonsense about authenticity and true selves and act like they’re morally superior even though the show has shown us time and again that true selves is bullshit. i’m baffled by the stans who are now saying they’ve been the underdog and hated side for years but they showed us like- hello?????? marichat is the most popular side of the love square it pulls the biggest numbers.

marichat is fucking choice content. ladynoir is fucking choice content. adrinette is fucking choice content. ladrien is fucking choice content.

i’m just someone who has been here for a v long time and has watched some rabid stans constantly shit on a side i really enjoy and who are coming into that tag today to do the same. you can’t escape it on any platform so i’ve been v confused by this narrative popping up over the last week. my block list is ever growing just so i can keep enjoying love square content without all the stupid takes clogging my feed.

so no i do not hate marichat that would be stupid. i hate the fans that can’t celebrate a fucking awesome episode without trying to tear down other people’s enjoyment 🤷🏻‍♀️

edit: also please don’t let fandom ish impact your joy in this episode you are not wrong or bad for loving the things you love ❤️

[jennagrinsoverml]

now that you've done sadrien fic recs could you maybe do sadinette(?) ones too?

There's definitely more sadrien content in this fandom given *gestures at Adrien* everything canon puts him through/has waiting for him. There's some good angsty Marinette content as well, but IME a lot of it ends up intersecting and overlapping with Adrien angst. But anyway, here's my recs for you

switching targets. by @theanxiouscupcake

What if Adrien had switched his target to Marinette instead of Kagami? What if she asks him out and jumps at the chance because at least he's giving her a chance though he says he's in love with someone else? It gets worse before it gets better, because she finds out the girl is Ladybug and she finds it hard to take it well no matter how hard she tries.

Multi-chapter. WIP!!! Hey, remember at the end of season 3 when Adrien tried to move on from Ladybug? And how Kagami was his choice but also really didn’t put up with his shit? Yeahhhh, now imagine he’d given Marinette a chance. This girl PINES and it’s heartbreaking and beautiful and they’re SO STUPID but gahhhhh so good. Even though it’s a WIP it’s gotten to a pretty good place so please don’t let that stop you from reading!

Transcient by @flightfoot

Everything was fine now, right? She’d assured him that she wasn’t mad about Su-Han knowing his identity, and he sounded like he was feeling better. She’d fixed the problem.

So why wasn’t the lump in her throat disappearing?

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Chat's worried about how Su-Han managed to learn his identity. Marinette re-examines her "Obtain Chat Noir's identity" plan.

One-shot. Ephemeral fall out. Because of the content there's obviously a lot of Adrien angst here too, but I appreciated Marinette's perspective here, especially how upset she was to realize how much she'd hurt someone she cares about. And really some of the best angst comes from characters dealing with the fallout of their own mistakes.

Bitter Water by @karkalicious769

“Plagg, I renounce you.”

Ladybug doesn’t move. She can’t move. To move would mean acknowledging what just happened, and if she doesn’t acknowledge it, then it’s not real.

Finally, she turns around. There’s no one waiting for her there. No wink of green eyes and a shit-eating grin coupled with finger guns as Chat Noir teases, “Had you for a second there, didn’t I, Bugaboo?” (And she’d be furious at him for a joke like that, but she’d hug him anyway, because at least it’s a joke.)

This isn’t a joke.

The Ring of the Black Cat sits abandoned, and Chat Noir is gone.

Two-shot. Marinette's choices regarding Chat Noir in season 4 have consequences, and she needs to face up to that. This totally made me cry, but it was very cathartic.

and say you want me by @ladyofthenoodle

“If you’re still partners, what’s the problem? Did he do something to upset you?”

The problem was that even after they'd reconciled and tentatively worked things out, Chat Noir had still been hurt. He'd asked for space, and Ladybug had been so careful to respect his request. After months, she'd hoped they might grow closer again, but there was still a wall between them. She wasn't sure if he'd ever ask to cross it.

But oh, she'd wait forever, if only he would.

One-shot. More season 4 fallout, this time it’s Marinette trying so hard to respect Chat’s boundaries after hurting him, but she’s missing her partner and mourning what was and in that kind of dark headspace where it seems the problem will never be fixed. 

some truths are loyal (as the shadows we lead) by @carpisuns

When Marinette wins a design contest hosted by Gabriel Agreste, it seems like a dream come true. Until everything goes wrong.

(A Marichat akumanette fic)

Multi-chapter. Just what does it take to break Marinette? Just how many injustices would it take to get Marinette akumatized? Let’s find out! This is basically #breakthecutie but the ending is super sweet and helps soothe the hurt of it all.

Empty Spaces by Speaks

The idea of Marinette feeling the same loneliness he himself was so familiar with coiled up in his stomach like a live thing, a snake threatening to sink its fangs in. He was such an idiot. That empty seat next to her; all day he'd been waiting for someone to take it up and comfort her. That could have been him if he wasn't such a blind moron, thinking of her as some sort of saint with a thousand friends. It was so naive of him. Mari was just a normal girl, and everyone she knew had let her down today when she needed someone to lean on.

Right then and there he decided to be that someone.

Multi-chapter. An early fandom fic featuring Marinette feeling guilty and alone after the Miracle Cure fails with some sweet hurt/comfort and a happy ending.

Pink the Night by noturaveragejoebro

She sat behind her best friend, her partner, the love of her life, content with the fact that he would never be hers, like she was unconditionally and irrevocably his.

Because Earth only orbits the sun. It is never embraced by it, it is only allowed to bask in its warmth. She could love him at a distance, stare at the seat in front of her, and be his friend.

After accidentally finding out Chat Noir’s identity, Marinette falls into a downward spiral of her insecurities. Because nothing could ever work out with the boy of her dreams if she’s just Marinette, right?

One-shot. Marinette is so stupid and insecure here as she piiiiiiiines. I love this kind of thing. I am weak. 

maybe. by @theanxiouscupcake​

Marinette confesses to Adrien before summer and he says 'maybe after I return'. She waits for him, hopeful, and a little heartbroken anyway at breaking Luka's heart, but she waits. But when he comes back with a girlfriend on his arm, she's devastated and Adrien wants to know what's wrong.

Multi-chapter. Hiiii do you love fics where people have misunderstandings and hurt each other and everything is messy and broken? Because, um, I really love that kind of thing and this fics has got it in spades! The misunderstanding is so stupid but so believable and leads to so much hurt and I eat that shit up with a spoon.

We’ll be together, always. by @emsylcatac​

So here she was: twenty year old Marinette, breaking down over seeing a younger version of her partner. Pathetic. Adrien had also looked very shaken at the sight of Chat Noir and had immediately excused himself; she supposed it had to do with everything that had happened with his father being Hawkmoth and she couldn't really blame him.

* * * * *

Or a younger Chat Noir hit by a time-traveling akuma helps Marinette to find back her partner, after he had told her that he needed a break from heroing two years before and had never come back.

Multi-chapter. Marinette never really got over her partner disappearing after they defeated Hawkmoth and then thanks to time traveling shenanigans he’s suddenly in front of her and all of her feelings come rushing to the surface and she’s so sad!! Emsy fixes it though.

[chatonnoir]

Super new fan here butt Im curious as to why there seems to be -Im probably exaggerating- Adrien Stan's who like his chat Noir side or want him to be moore like Felix but not really him. Is there something wrong wit him? -just a vibe I got off of TikTok fans dat confuses me as much as the hate towards maribug-

Those are likely the basic straight girls who want Chat Noir to be this hypersexual masculine alphahole wattpad badboy for their bad heteronormative Chat Noir x Reader smut (often mislabeled as mari/chat with """Marinette"""" AKA reader-insert being jealous/upset that Chat Noir likes Ladybug only to turn around and be flattered when he flirts with the """"real her""""" smh real Marinette would never). They hate Adrien bc seeing him reminds them that he's actually a sweet gentle 14 year old boy with a babyface and a more feminine personality and that shatters the ~sexy alpha male~ illusion for them.

The first time I ever saw an ML tiktok, I saw endless comments talking about how "Chat Noir is sooo sexy but I don't like Adrien, Chat Noir is so much better" etc. and after that I resolved to never touch ML tiktok again. I also see similar shit in Youtube comments, alongside people hating on Buguinette or talking about how they want Chat Noir to ~get mad at Ladybug and then go fall in love with Marinette~ for the reasons mentioned above. I also just see videos that have godawful takes about the show, so I don't touch ML youtube anymore either.

As for the hate towards Buguinette .......... having been in online fandoms for like a decade, I can tell you that fans hating on a girl character for anything and everything, especially when a prettyboy character who everyone loves and/or lusts after is involved, is sadly the norm. If she dares to have agency/personality and isn't blank slate enough to be projected on to/self-inserted through, they'll hate her. If she's simply too nice and sweet, the people with insecurities about their own ugly personalities will decide she's a "mary sue" and hate her. If she likes a fan fave male character too much, she's annoying. If she so much as breathes near a fan fave male character incorrectly, then she's a stupid mean bitch and he "deserves better". If she dares to breathe near two dudes who are in a popular m/m ship, they'll decide she's annoying or they'll say she's a lesbian and box her off in a corner bc they don't actually care about lesbians, that's just a way to keep her "out of the way" in a way that looks good and woke. Jealousy towards fictional female characters is actually the corniest fandom phenomenon of them all

[ourflagmeansgayrights]

man by the nature of the circles i follow i generally don't see a lot of takes from izzy stans, but both the notes of the post you reblogged and the original twitter thread just make them look like their izzy brainworms have destroyed their reading comprehension and situational awareness. 'hehe there's two ways u could take that' clearly only one was intended. 'ur so right izzy is fucking blackbeard and he can build a pillowfort' YOU'RE SO EMBARRASSING. the show's creator is annoyed enough to actually voice some push back against the racist idea that history's greatest tactician needs this wet purse dog of a man to do basic tasks. these people really said 'i'm gonna ignore the actual issue being pointed out here and make this about my blorbo and my ship instead' and i don't know how anyone like this is gonna get through season two when they find out izzy isn't the main character they think he is.

ok tbh as amused as i am at the interpretation of that tweet as david jenkins getting so annoyed abt people thinking ed is an incompetent imbecile and is tweeting “ed knows how to build a blanket for on his own for fuck’s sake” i dont actually know how much of The Discourse david’s seen or if he’s aware of how many ppl genuinely believe shit like “izzy is the brains behind blackbeard.” it’s possible he just logged onto twitter and saw that tweet at the top of his mentions or whatever (idk how twitter works) and was just casually like “wtf obviously ed can build a fort by himself” and it’s not meant as an @ at any particular fans. and quite frankly i wouldnt want it to BE an @ at any fans. as toxic as parts of this fandom are, if david or any other showrunners started directly @ing people like “hey your headcanon is racist” it would only make shit worse. if i was a writer for ofmd i frankly wouldve stopped looking at ofmd twitter after a month bc it got so choked with rampant racism and it would make me go insane. like i hope jenkins et al have some distance from the fandom discourse for their own sake.

BUT ANYWAY about the izzy fans. as much as i personally am an ed stan first and a human being second i DO understand why izzy fans would make the joke abt “oh so youre saying izzy is having sex with blackbeard AND he knows how to build a blanket fort?” and i also think the majority of izzy fans KNOW theyre making a silly joke. like they know what david is actually saying. as far as im aware Not All Izzy Fans are the type to believe the “izzy is the brains behind blackbeard” headcanon so im not gonna assume every fan making this joke are doing so to intentionally downplay/ignore ed’s intelligence. i think a lot of them are just making a joke abt their favorite blorbo and while yeah i think the main focus should be on MY blorbo and how smart he is, this joke is so low on the list of shitty things ive seen izzy fans do that im basically just like. eh. whatever. definitely SOME of the ppl making this joke are the type to think ed is stupid and who warp the whole show to focus on izzy but i have no idea who or many so im not gonna worry about it. the joke is kinda annoying to me but im ALSO kind of stretching the tweet jokingly to be like “David Jenkins HIMSELF said that izzy is a useless first mate” (which i DO believe, but im not gonna use this tweet as proof that dj himself confirmed it)

that being said i dont think it’s a funny joke bc izzy obviously has never gotten laid before in his life and also izzy’s never experienced any joy so he obviously DOESNT know how to build a fort. and also of course youre right that there are izzy fans who will not be able to cope with the next season of the show not treating izzy like a special little main character but again this tweet is a single line from david abt a silly headcanon im not gonna get mad at ppl for not using it as a talking point abt racist fandom discourse. idk if david meant that line to be lighthearted or not so im not gonna take it too seriously except to say that ed’s blanket fort had better structural engineering than half the boats he’s ever raided. if the Revenge came under attack or if a huge storm blew through, stede’s cabin would be a disaster but the blanket fort would be completely unharmed

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(You dont have to answer, I know this is the kind of rant that can bring harassment and leaving it on anon is suspect, so im sorry for that. I just wanted you to know there's at least one other person that agrees with your views and is glad the fandom isnt a monolith. Im just extremelly shy)

Finally watched season 2 and I've decided I'll keep shipping the good Gerlion-influenced Geraskier that lives in my head and disregarding Burn Butcher Burn and most of the canon dynamic and characters entirely.

Im glad I follow you! it's good to see other people agreeing that the song is... evil of Jaskier and tone-deaf of the writers (they do not seem to grasp that witchers are marginalized and what this means for them). It's also motivated me to read more of the books, since Ive only managed to get my hands on the first one but what you've posted about them has me intrigued!

Im also like. Realizing this is the Teen Wolf Experience again: There's very little analysis that can be done in-universe, bc low quality writing and weak characterization are at the heart of most of the issues the characters face and not like, Jaskier being evil on purpose/by accident as a character. It feels unfair to put the song and its consequences on him when there's not going to be consequences bc the writers have not realized it's anything but "and he's mad at Geralt so he wrote a song about it"?? If they'd been going for that it would have taken one line from Lambert to show that's why he's hostile to Jaskier! It'd be dumb that the guy has been doing this for 20+ years and still has to learn to be responsible with his songs so it'd feel ooc anyway if that was his Lesson to Learn This Arc, but whatever, they could have gone that direction. But it's not that, they just dont know what to do with him.

They dont seem to want to commit, either he's the stupid, harmless comic relief everyone shits on or a famous guy affecting witcher PR on the whole continent without asking them what they want. If he'd been mad enough to purposely incite hate towards Geralt he would not have folded after that apology, and if he wasn't that mad and the apology was enough he would maybe have written it in a fit but not?? Made it popular???

And it's not just Jaskier, they do this across the board. They dont know what to do with Geralt, or his relationship with Ciri, or Ciri and Yennefer, and how they're handling Witchers as a group is a mess. It's a shame bc they have a great cast and they have a story and lore and themes (and fan base) with strong bones ready-made, but Netflix has a bad track record doing adaptations do it's not surprising either

I think this can stand on its own, Non.

It's important to have different voices and opinions in fandom. There is always a place for it here if you need a chat about it.

I agree on the cast. They really are trying to present us a banquet when all they were given was ten quid and an out-of-date Greg's voucher.

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🚫 - is lore crit good and fun? drops this in your inbox like one would a live bomb

dream smp lore discourse: is lore crit good and fun?

ha Ha. im sure you sent this in with no ulterior motive or knowledge of how i talk about lore crit in dms! im sure you dont want me to get my ass beat on tumblr dot com!! i would Never assume anything bad of ren zrenia! what an innocent ask this is!!!

okay but to answer the actual question—no. just. unequivocally, no.

once upon a time i would have said yes. lore crit around this time last year accounted for the cc's writing inexperience, hectic schedules, and general formatting and style of the dream smp. it usually manifested as a dislike of retcons, or people being tired of waiting for promised lore, or anger at dropped storylines and drastically altered characterisations. but that was good! it was fair! it was given with the exact reasons the critic didn't like the lore, and often with suggested improvements. it was done in good faith. the people doing it genuinely seemed to love the dream smp story!! i LOVED that shit and reblogged it all the time.

now though? yeah, no. it's become a shitshow lmfao. from people just INSTANTLY assuming bad faith from the cc's—assuming they don't respect their audience, or value their own storylines (ccs like michaelmcchill, who often say... iffy things are SOMETIMES exceptions to this, though)—to ignoring the intended format of the dream smp (never forget how fucking pissed i was when ctommy was called the main character by Every big blog around) to DEMANDING certain storylines and interactions between certain characters (looking at you, dash after the wilbur eret lore stream. what the fuck was that) it's just. not fun anymore. it's not how it used to be.

it's not constructive. lots of blogs talk about this story like they just want it to 'fucking end, already, why are we still here,' and seem to forget that they're allowed to just leave the fandom. they attack ccs that don't interact perfectly well with their favorite characters (wilburians and inniters, this is some of you) and seem to forget that this lore, especially when wilbur is involved, is cowritten by many and mutually agreed on prior to streaming. they assume that cc's are uncaring and hateful toward their fans and are abuse apologists. they get mad when certain concerns go unaddressed. it's not even crit anymore—a lot of it is just straight up hate, with no clear indication of what would make the lore better in their eyes. blogs doompost every three weeks. dream proves he's working on fixing dsmp and people immediately assume he's stupid and doing things wrong. i've unfollowed DOZENS of people who just spew angry things on the dash these last few months, because it was depressing. and it bothered me a lot, because i really used to like reading their thoughts!! until lore crit goes back to being light-hearted and in good faith, chances are i won't engage with it again—i'm here to have fun, yknow? also i hope this post doesn't get me killed