#illogical Vulcans

[mango-meister]

The audio book for the Vulcan’s Forge book read by Leonard Nimoy for free on YouTube.

[garneneva]

Finally finished this!!!

turns out Bones is really hard to paint/draw and Spock low-key looks more like Sarek but I'm actually very pleased with how it turned out!

This is based on “the creation of Adam” which I believe was originally painted by Michelangelo but please correct me if I'm wrong!

[a-most-beloved-fool]

so... TOS characters were probably famous enough to have little kitschy souvenirs and such made of them & sold in starbases, yeah? novelty candies and the like?

because i'm imagining a crack-fic where spock (pining or feeling heartbroken) gets ahold of kirk-shaped chocolates and gets Very Drunk And Sad by eating them.

[novice-crow]

you could add i'chaya, maybe? or a chess piece

Okay! Thank you all for helping me with this! Many ppl suggested I-Chaya which I hadn’t even thought of him! More great suggestions were the IDIC symbol, chess pieces, his lyre/vulcan weapons, illogical, and “very bad poetry Captain”.

(I also wanted to add constellations, and I found a horoscope for Spock, which claims he’s a Virgo with a Gemini moon, and an Aries rising. Idk how accurate this is, but I added them anyway.)

I really like the tribble I added, because we all know full well if Spock had less self control he’d have a small herd of them hidden in his quarters…

[myidic]

"Kirk is the unpredictable daredevil with the logical Vulcan sidekick."

Hahaha! Nah. That’s backwards.

Kirk may be a tactical genius, but he’s also a major nerd who collects antique books and is a chess Grandmaster. He was so focused on excelling academically at the Academy he was called a stack of book with legs. Kirk is the steadfastly moral, kind, bleeding heart who wears his heart on his sleeve. He’s compassionate to a fault. He may throw himself headfirst into the fray, but only because he’d rather sacrifice himself than others, and has the faith that Spock will always rescue him, and Bones will be there to piece him back together.

On the other hand, Spock is a REBEL of the highest order. He’s a thrill seeking adrenaline junkie, who dives head first into danger.

People hear Spock say that he is too “emotional” for Vulcans, and think it’s just because he gets into fights defending his and his mother’s humanity. Maybe he’s considered too emotional because he cries, or struggles to hide that he’s overly sensitive, or that he lashes out at bullies instead of suppressing his reactions, but really, that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

Spock craves adventure and exploration. He may look like the model buttoned up Vulcan to the nakedly emotional humans, but to Vulcans he’s the kid who undertook the kahs-wan at 7, three years early. He’s the kid who questions everything around him. He’s a scientist who craves discovery, to be the first to prove the unprovable.

He responds to slander against his mother with violence, and defied his father’s wishes and broke generations of family tradition by saying a giant “Fuck You” to the VSA and refused admittance when they insulted his and his mother’s humanity, and left Vulcan for Earth and humans without looking back.

He may be the great grandson of Solkar, and the heir to the clan of Surak, but the other Vulcans see him as the human son of the illogical Ambassador who defied logic and Vulcan precepts to marry an even more illogical human. They see him as the first Vulcan to officially join a human led, militaristic armada that explores the deep recesses of space, deliberately putting himself in situations that force him to respond with violence and emotion.

Spock isn’t the calm, collected, logical exterior he projects. Spock is a BAMF, and don’t you forget it.

[dark-elf-writes]

Blaming @musicfeedsmysoul12 and the “humans are space orcs” post for this taking over my brain with a vengeance but I would kill for a 500 episode series of Sarek and Amanda’s relationship from the beginning because seeing a Vulcan coming to terms with all the illogical that is humanity would be so fucking funny.

This man would make it through her first period and look like he just escaped an active war zone. She has pack bonded with their vacuum cleaner that she put plastic eyes on and cried when it broke. She got wine drunk and drew eyebrows on their Shelat with an eyebrow pencil and is scream laughing on the floor. She told him to “shut up his eyebrows” during an argument. Despite the fact that he is three times as strong as the average human male and would have gladly helped her she decided to rearrange their living room while he was at work. When they’re on earth there is one (1) pigeon she has beef with that made its nest near the Vulcan embassy she can pick it out without fail every time. She has asked him which of two identical shades of pink lipstick looks better and got mad when he told her they were the same. A human man twice her size made a rude comment about Sarek when they were out in public and she lectured that man until he cried.

And all of this culminates as him explaining humans to little Spock who is solemnly nodding along with his every word like it’s gospel.

[bumblingbabooshka]

In your opinion, do Vulcan children have teddies (stuffed animals)?

YES!!!

Stuffed animals and other security items would be good for Vulcan children...I can imagine many small children needing them when they first learn how to meditate. They can also be used as a sort of 'anchor' so they are able to stay calm in unfamiliar situations. I can also imagine they would be used to express emotions without having to attribute them to themselves Ex: "[Toy] feels sad because you ate the last cookie." and a parent could then help the child through that emotion via them both teaching 'the bear' what to do when 'it' feels sad. This way the child feels like they're also helping rather than feeling like they're being lectured. Toys are, I imagine, one of the first things that we learn to take care of and be kind towards. As a child it's probably one of the few things we feel is under 'our care' or control. I imagine how children treat toys is observed carefully...it can be a good outlet (a child may rant to a toy when they don't like something while remaining composed in the situation itself) but also if a child is consistently violent with toys it may be indicative of an emotional issue. Creativity, imagination, and play are also not things which seem to conflict with Vulcan adherence to logic. Play is very important for children and I imagine it's often used to make sense of the world around them or what they feel (Ex: Playing 'House') I imagine you can often see Vulcan children playing by mimicking violent or emotional behavior and then scolding the toy for being violent...you can't hit! You have to take deep breaths and meditate. Oh no, [toy] is crying! Don't cry, you must calm down! Or they might play by exploring new ideas and desires through the realm of fantasy with a familiar object, the toy. Toys are also useful (I imagine, I'm not a psychologist just reflecting on my own experiences) for building a sense of self in a way...during the course of play you can discover what you like and don't like, what calms you down and what intrigues you. You can also learn how to interact with others through games and play as a child. Lessons like how to share, how to work together, how to include others in your world...very important! So yes, I think that toys and play are important - especially for a species which is inherently very emotional. Vulcan Children probably have much less control than adults do and require more tangible methods of calming down, understanding/confronting their emotions etc. Now I'm imagining a 'growing up' ritual wherein children decide they're too old for their toys and ready to give them up. They then work to emotionally detach themselves from them. At the end of this process the children give the toys to someone else (a sibling, a friend, a neighbor, or just donating them)

[jeremywebb]

Spock falls in Love

[jonathanarcher]

Jonathan Archer may not be the best captain. He may not be the smartest captain. He may not be the coolest captain. But he is certainly the captain who’s name is an insult in the most cultures and you can’t take that away from him

[illeaadante]

How I think Vulcans react to games

Vulcans definitely play games, because rest and relaxation are necessary to maintain cognitive function and games offer a way to do that as well as socialize and strengthen bonds between individuals. Multitasking is only logical. However, there are distinct preferences:

Chess - 2d or 3d doesn't matter, this is the introductory game for vulcan children because it has rigid rules and memorizable strategies and patterns. TBH I think vulcans stop playing chess with each other when the child completes all of the strategies and they only bring out the board again if they need something mindless to do with their hands OR they are playing against a non-vulcan. The non-vulcan basically never wins, but it's more interesting to play against someone who hasn't memorized all of the gambits.

Poker/any gambling card game - like that one other post said, Vulcans descend on poker like a pack of hyena. Competitive applied statistics and emotional suppression? That is their whole deal. Ignoring the illogic of actually gambling, Vulcans clean up any casino.

Tetris - oh you know that vulcans love tetris. The satisfaction of clearing lines and putting blocks in perfect order? Catnip. Vulcatnip.

Tetris 99 - tetris with a side of competition? Hell, yes. Vulcans playing tetris 99 is like when all of those old people were absolutely schooling twitch streamers when the game first came out.

Bejeweled/match 3 - I think vulcans would find it as soothing as a lot of humans do.

Tower defense - an extension of their preference for chess. Now, instead of one opponent with the same pieces, it's ever increasing waves of enemies.

Resource management games - any of them. I feel that that is another extension of chess preference and Vulcans can absolutely clean up at tournaments.

Fighting games - this ones a bit tricky and there's a lot of variation. Some vulcans would definitely be on the 'no items, final destination' side of the argument while others would insist it is illogical to turn items off because you should use everything available to you. Some vulcans prefer simpler fighting games with what they perceive as more logical movesets while others prefer the flexibility and complexity of the more out there games. Also yes, i know vulcans are pacifists, but claiming that playing a game goes against a person's pacifism is illogical.

Team Shooters - imagine going up against a team of Vulcans in CoD or Overwatch. Imagine it. Hilarious and terrifying. They do worse against the casual gamers than the pros just because the casuals are more likely to fuck up in illogical ways.

Then there are the games that I think don't exist in the Vulcan zeitgeist, or only for anthropologists and freaks:

RPGs - specifically single player RPGs, like dating sims. Dating sims would exist on vulcan purely for anthropological reasons, but other RPGs wouldn't catch on at all. They just don't get why someone would pretend to be a character for the purposes of entertaining oneself. Tabletop RPGs are just like doing theater, but with more math, so they can understand that a bit. I can see some Vulcans agreeing to play MMORPGs to make their non-vulcan friends happy, but it's never a big thing in Vulcan culture.

puzzle games - you would think, just as a knee-jerk reaction, that vulcans would love puzzle games. You would be very wrong. Most Humans find the logic in puzzle games lacking, it would be torture to a vulcan.

Hidden object games - this one is polarizing. I'm sure that some Vulcans are VERY good at hidden object games and find the removal of those objects satisfying, but I'm just as sure that other Vulcans find the placement of those objects in the first place illogical enough to be rage-quit inducing... if vulcans were prone to rage-quitting, of course.

Point and Click Adventure games - like puzzle games, but even worse. Vulcan Guantanamo Bay is being forced to play Room Escape games for a week.

[firstroseofspring]

8, 11, 16, 19, for the trek asks? 💖

<3333 heyyy!!!!

8. are you a nepo baby? (has trekkie parents/uncles/siblings)

no i am not actually! my family doesn't know anything about it really, i started watching it on a whim! :)

11. do you have any songs that you associate with star trek characters?

yes !!! @trillscienceofficer introduced me to the beths and chappell roan for b'elanna and i think about her every time i listen to them. i also really like son of a preacher man for tuvok/t'pel...

there's a filipino folk song called katakataka (i listen to the eva eugenio version) that reminds me of sirella nd martok. i tend to think of worf a lot when i listen to old country songs... big bad john by jimmy dean im thinking of specifically cause of the lyrics but also just like the steeldrivers and other country artists have this earnest vibe that i think fit him. :) hank williams singing about the country... old soul worf vibes

andd also corny but oh no! by marina... and brutal by olivia rodrigo are very b'elanna and seven songs to me

16. your favourite ship?

i forgot to mention in the first ask but actually i'm a big fan of k'ehleyr and worf they had a lot of tension (the good and bad kind) that i found sooo compelling fr... the shared history... the arguments... the yearning.... the loud silence!!!!! oughhh. just the- worf wanting to be with someone who understands his background in the way she can, who doesn't see him as lesser for being in starfleet, but then also holding her up to the same standards other people hold him up to- we have to do this the perfect klingon way or this is wrong etc.

and k'ehleyr trying to discern after they sleep together whether he wants her or wants to be understood or wants do the honorable thing and marry her despite what he might feel... but then also not really feeling totally okay with herself and her identity, and what being with worf, who embraces that stuff to a fault, would mean for herself and eventually for alexander. i thought that the dynamic was so engaging and i liked seeing what a relationship looked like outside of (? but not totally) human convention the blood on the palm scene? slayyeddd

19. share a headcanon!

hmmm i think vulcans think it's polite to look away when someone (vulcan, this might be impractical with other races) is displaying an emotion really overtly! crying or laughing maybe... i think if someone was going into pon farr and getting mad i'd try to leave or at least look away, it must be uncomfortable to see on display like that!

[merrysithmas]

my FAVORITE all time inane AU formula is "help something happened to santa and SOS somehow the cast of _____ has to deliver all the presents to the entire world/universe in one night"

and so now im picturing the SNW enterprise crew doing so w/kirk and Santa as some ubiquitous benevolent good tidings space entity

[harley-rose25]

star trek snw s2e?? thoughts on vulcans and very hot teapots.

So, like, I recently started watching the 2nd season of star trek snw (I needed a break after they killed Hemmar)

anyways, I refuse to believe that vulcans expect humans to needlessly burn themselves handeling vulcan teapots without any protection. Like thats just stupid.

Amanda needlessly tortures herself to fit in.

[mycroft-1697]

Me questioning the day to day goings of humans

[laney-rockin]

I would love a Star Trek series with two Vulcan's who do NOT understand each other while speaking their native language because they grew up in different regions and the differences in how they speak affect how they talk to each other in Vulcan.

(Kinda the Vulcan equivalent of Canadian French vs France French.)

[myidic]

Human, picking up and petting a small cat

Human: Wow! Look at the kitten! It’s so adorable!

Vulcan: Yes, she is my new companion. She is most pleasant in appearance.

Human: She’s so soft! I could pet her all day!

Vulcan: While an illogical sentiment, I do agree. Her fur is most pleasing to touch.

Human: She’s SO CUTE! I could just EAT HER!

Vulcan: *horrified*

Human: I mean… ha. Wow. Um… I guess Vulcans don’t have dimorphous expressions? It’s, um, it’s called “cute aggression.”

Vulcan, still horrified: Illogical. Please remove your hands from the kitten.