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Sorry for putting Hetalia on your dashboard in 2024, but this has been vaguely on my mind for, like, five years.
#I have to appeal to my inner 13 year-old with garbage tastes on occasion okay?#In the meantime I'm surprised how such few fanworks focus on Roderich in the aftermath of the dissolution of the Holy Roman Empire#I don't know if this has changed and I don't particularly care to check to be honest#Anyway back to the tags#hetalia#hetalia world stars#hws austria#roderich edelstein#hws holy roman empire#hws hre#digital art#digital artist#tw blood#cw blood#tw death#cw death#cw child death#tw child death
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Jesus is my older brother, not my dad.
other christians don't seem to feel the same?
am i missing something where he insists on such a thing except perhaps with actual little children?
#christianity#tumblrstake#Quakers#i just want to know what y'all think#progressive christianity#some christians see themselves as his children#but again most chrsitians are sippin trinity juice so the Father is the Son? egro Jesus can be Dad#i guess i'm not a true monotheist bc if Jesus is a child of God and told his disciples to call him friend. he is my peer#Jesus is my peer - big brother - mentor - friend#God the creator is my Mother/Father/Parent(s) as well as Jesus'#Jesus and I are both children of God and Jesus is my teacher/my respected older brother/ my friend#i think the Holy Spirit is what generally moves around among humans and through humans. experiencing God through others.#also an internal prompting on what direction to take (which typically needs to undergo through discernment) but is sometimes an act rn thing#hence the gift of the Holy Spirit being gifted to us#but now i'm getting theological in the tags#did i mention that all of this is through my christian lense and a muslim could have a different perception and be just as valid#and thats on different ways people see the Divine and how the Divine presents Godself/selves to different people#i know this because Heavenly Mother was at my conversion experience. she offered an invitation - an embrace#and i took it immediately a wept#and i think that presentation was intentional bc i may not have/wouldn't have reacted the same way to Heavenly Father#our relationship is good now - Heavenly Father and I -currently on the rocks in my â God#in my âGod - why?â era. shit has been dark. and people are commiting atrocites in your name#i do pray for their smitting. but only in a way God with Hir cosmic justice sees fit#and for softened hearts more often but on one occassion it was âplz get these sinners in lineâ and pulling out psalm 94#Godposting#religion
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how do you clone a fey? that's trick question; and fey love those!
@the-navistar-carol (<333) brought up a good point while I was talking about my changeling danny au with her -- Dani! How would she exist in this au? Danny's a changeling - a fae. How would Dani, a clone of him, be created? How do you make a fey? Not through any means that Vlad is doing; you can't make a fey through unnatural means, considering the Fair Folk are nature. And Vlad's not a fey himself -- he's a halfa, even if he could make a fey, it's not in his best interest too. He's a powerful ghost, but even the weakest fae can overpower the strongest ghost. He won't want a clone of Daniel to be more powerful than him.
(In a three tier hierarchy it goes Ancients -> Fae/Mythos -> Ghosts. They all live in the Infinite Realms, but on different Planes. The fae live above the Ghost Zone in the Fey Wild, while the Mythos live beside the Wilds or down in the ghost zone depending on where they are. Places like the Frozone, the Athens Acropolis, and other such large islands climb throughout all three Planes.)
(While Ghosts can travel into the Fey Wild, its generally advised against as the ectoplasm tends to manifest differently there due to close contact magic. It can make it rather disorientating for a ghost, and as human spirits, the Fae living there would jump them faster than they could blink. So unless you're willing to play mind games with 'steal thy name eat thy face' fae, most ghosts keep out of the way of the Wilds. Fey can travel down into the Ghost Zone, they just don't bother.)
That's of course, not taking into account if Vlad even knows Danny's a fae himself. Vlad doesn't ring me as someone who really cares much about ghost culture or the going ons of the GZ. He might be aware that fae exist, but the moment he realizes he can't use them for personal gain he just doesn't bother with them. The risk is greater than the reward, and he'd rather not get eaten. But lets assume he's aware by now that Danny is fey, and has to take that into account while cloning him.
So, how does Dani exist? Good question! Honestly; i'm not sure. She might not exist at all, or if she does, she's more halfa than fey. Vlad would need a lot of human dna and ectoplasm to balance out all that fae magic. He manages to steal DNA from Jack and Maddie to do it, and since Jack's fey ancestry is very dormant its much easier to use alongside Danny's DNA.
In turn, it results in a little girl whose more human-ghost hybrid than clone. With that little extra boost in fey magic making her not a fey, but still relatively powerful. Dani is less of a clone and more of a lab-grown little sister. It's a rather tedious, complex process that has Vlad tearing his hair out trying to figure out. But he does eventually figure it out.
#dpxdc#danny fenton is not the ghost king#dpxdc crossover#changeling danny au#danielle fenton#danny phantom#still no mention of DPXDC yet so i'm adding the DP tags if thats alright lmao#how do you clone a fey? trick question! you can't. you can only make something that's not-quite fey but has ties to them.#dani's fey ancestry is an ounce of water compared to the bucket of everything else. which is more than the drop in the pond compared to jac#but not quite as powerful as changeling daniel. whose more fey than human at this rate. which is very fun to think about in terms of#his rogues haha. imagine going into the human realm about to cause chaos only to come face to face with a baby fey. a changeling.#i'd simply pass away a second time. where is your parent. human raised or otherwise?? are they nearby??? shit i thought fey hated urban#cities. what are YOU doing here baby man. im going to get eaten holy fuck. that's so many teeth.#. oh. oh you think you're a ghost. hm. hmhm. i can work with that. lets just. make sure you keep thinking that okay :) great :))#like jumpscare dude. i just saw my afterlife flash before my eyes. hello unsupervised fey child. holy fuck are you teeny tiny.#vlad probably uses some of his own dna to get the halfa effect so really dani's more of a lab grown *half* sister. Danny's gonna end up#stealing her anyways in the end. his sister now :). non-human danny my beloved#catch me using fey and fae interchangeably. my bad#some food for thought sorry if its hard to understand.#steal thy name. eat thy face fey
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Dedede at the end of revenge of the king
Day 4 of drawing random kirby shitpost for every day of October
#kirby#kots#kirby of the stars#kirby fanart#hoshi no kirby#king dedede#waddle dee#not my proudest work but also one of my proudest works somehow#i just has the vision and dedede truly is gru#and the adopted children is just Kirby idk#and instead of stealing the moon he's just stealing all the food#that cute agent from the second one is just meta knight#i started thinking about it as a joke it's almost scary how accurate it is#going back to filling up character blanks in star allies#I like to think everyone was horrified when they start realizing Kirby is a void#and dedede is the only one who's relieved#like holy fuck thank god that baby is actually an ancient god o just thought i SUCKED#I'm actually really fucking great you mean to tell me i went one on one with GOD?! that's nuts#before that Dedede just kept losing to a random child who happens to be weirdly strong#he was probably going insane#the void revelation gave Kirby existencial crisis but it gave dedede some peace of mind#out of topic but i need another dedede tour#if we get another meta knightmare before we get another dedede tour i think I'll go insane#forgotten land was the perfect opportunity for another one but hal is a COWARD#I'm also waiting for a waddle parade with bandana
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see everyone worried and fretted and panicked and yet quesadilla island looked at pepito and went
#qsmp#qsmp pepito#this post is not about roier's parenting i PROMISE you don't need to defend your cubito#this is literally about pepito being bobbled between caretakers#bad etoiles foolish forever bagi pac and more that i just haven't seen#just. people who have shown an interest and desire to hang out with pepito and keep pepito safe#pepito went to find parents and look!! look!!!#listen. listen. to me the qsmp is about love. not mystery not roleplay not drama not plot.#the qsmp is at its ABSOLUTE best when it is People Talking To Each Other#purgatory was AMAZING for me as a bolas viewer bc if bolas was in the server THEY WERE IN A CALL they were CONSTANTLY talking and i THRIVED#people adopting each other into their fake families in the most middle school childlike wondrous form of love there is#when you like your friend so much they're your fake spouse. your fake child. your fake parent. your fake sibling.#eggs and parents that's LOVE tubbo and fred that's LOVE tazercraft and walter bob that's LOVE; cellbit and roier; phil and missa#baghera and bad and forever; bad and bagi; pierre and maxo; maxo and EVERYTHING his son his daughter his partner the theory bros#favela six that's LOVE LOOK AT THIS FUCKING SERVER EVEN ELENA WHO WE'VE KNOWN FOR AN HOUR IS ABOUT LOVE. HER PARTNER IS HER DRIVE.#jaiden's story is driven by LOVE the hole from the love of her son and chasing cucurucho's 'love' in return it's LOVE it's UNDERSTANDING#there's so much love and i'm biased to my povs but holy shit i will repeat it until y'all roll your eyes seeing me on the dash#like NOT THIS ANIME POWER OF FRIENDSHIP BULLSHIT AGAIN no i'm right u can't fight me#block game brainrot#shut up vic
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Now that I think about it, is the 3 trial system meant to reference the holy trinity? Like, this is basically a crack theory and could very well just be the rule of threes and all that jazz, but Milgram already has some religious imagery.
Og: "Every aint has a past anl every sinner has a future".
Fixed: "Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future".
The quote is originally from Oscar Wilde's "A Woman Of No Importantance". Here's another quote from Oscar Wilde's "De Profundis", a short story he wrote during his time in jail, that echoes the theme originally presented in the play: "The world had always loved the saint as being the nearest possible approach to the perfection of God. Christ, through some divine instinct in him, seems to have always loved the sinner as being the nearest possible approach to the perfection of man⊠To turn an interesting thief into a tedious honest man was not his aim."
The saint, as deemed by righteousness, is boring; the sinner, as deemed by righteousness, is interesting. Now, I don't actually know if Milgram took this in context or not (I choose to believe so, but it's very possible they took the quote out of context as "Every saint has sinned before and every sinner has the chance to be better").
"Abandon hope, ye who enter". The doors in the T2 arts are literally the gates to hell. Need I say more? Those are the words said to be inscribed on the gates to hell in Dante's Divine Comedy.
Also, the Milgram language seems to inspired by Latin(?) and Es has Latin on the sash on their cloak ("De omnibus dubitandum est" or "Everything must be doubted" backwards). Latin is the language of the Catholic Church, if you didn't know.
#milgram#theory#do you guys think Touchi Es and Sumi are the father the son and the holy spirit#I don't know#If anyone smarter than me wants to expand on the âthree trials = holy trinityâ thing be my guest#Also Es is basically a religious figure if you think about it this way#In fact Es is basically just a child-ruler of a very religiously-driven country#In fact we're basically God in Milgram if you- okay maybe I need to slow down#As always doubt everything I'm saying I never know if I make sense or not
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my biggest gripe with the manhwa rn is that they made javier more of an asshole than he is in the novel and then took away most of the scenes where we see him being kind and soft with others.
javier can be an ass, he is a brat and he's especially annoying when he's with lloyd, but above anything else he is kind and loyal and selfless and good. i cannot emphasize enough how good javier is. he's the kind of person who cannot see someone in trouble or danger and do nothing about it. he's the kind of person who would sacrifice his life for total strangers and no hope of any reward. he's the kind of person who can't even enjoy a lavish party without feeling guilty because he'd much rather help people in need with that money.
he's so fucking good, lloyd is a little annoyed by it because he keeps getting dragged into life-threatening situations because javier just won't stop helping people they don't even know. mind you, lloyd is also endeared by this and would not want him to change but god can it be frustrating in his endeavor to keep them both alive.
there's this particular scene that i just. i'm so sad it was cut. where javier is helping around the refugee camp, going without sleeping and eating so he can focus on helping as many people as possible and then he spots a little kid that got lost on his way back. so he decides to help him.
and he's so gentle with this kid.
Javier walked over to the kid and called him. The flustered boy looked up. Javier strove to put on a warm smile on his face. "Are you lost?" â...â The boy nodded, his eyes all wet. Javier carefully stroked the boy's head. "I think I can help you with that. Why don't you let me help find your tent?" suggested Javier. â...â The boy nodded again. "But why didn't you eat the food? It's going to get cold. Are you not hungry?" "I am⊠hungry," the boy finally said. But what he said next caught Javier by surprise. "But I won't eat it," said the boy. "Why not?" "My mother is hungrier." "Is that so?" "Yes." â...â Javier wondered why this kid came out to take the food when he had a mother. There must be a reason, he thought to himself. He held out his hand. "I will hold the tray for you." "..." "I won't spill it. I promise." "Okay..." Javier took the tray and wrapped the boyâs hand with his own.
like. god. javier is not a naturally warm person. he's very reserved and stoic and sometimes outright cold, but he still tries so hard with this kid. because he knows what it's like to be him. he knows what it's like to be a child and be scared and hungry and without a home. and he remembers how much it meant for a kind adult to reach out a hand to him and help. and he wants to be that to others too.
everything he does, he does because he genuinely believes it's the right thing to do and therefore his obligation. and even when it doesn't come naturally to him, like being warm and gentle to a child, he still tries his best to do so.
and like that wasn't enough, when they finally find the kid's mom, javier finds out she's blind. recently blinded actually. that she used all her strength to get her child to safety and now she has to depend on him to take care of them because she can't do it anymore. her blouse is smudged with porridge.
so javier kneels down and explains who he is, why he's there and that he wants to help. he lifts up a spoonful of food and slowly and carefully starts to feed her himself. she's a complete stranger and javier doesn't hesitate one second to do this for her.
this is who javier is!! this is who he is at his core!! he's kind and he's selfless and he's above all else good!!
if your audience can't imagine javier comforting a child, then you failed your audience. you missed the point of his character.
#i talk a lot <3#tged#the greatest estate developer#ch 127#javier asrahan#sorry i have a lot of feelings about javier and how fucking good he is despite being constantly shoved into his role as badass protagonist#the world wants him to be the knight of blood and iron so bad but he's a kid whose world fell apart when he was a child#and then received kindness for kindness sake and he has never forgotten this.#he will always try to be the helping hand that he received from someone else first#HE'S A BRAT BUT ONLY WHEN HE'S WITH LLOYD. THAT'S BEST FRIEND PRIVILEGE BITCH.#and even with lloyd it's meant to be proof of his trust and closeness to him!! it's meant to reflect how javier doesn't feel the need#to be perfect and always in control with lloyd!! how he trusts him with the annoying and whiny and mean parts of him!!#there's a point to their banter and their bitchiness to each other!! he's not an asshole just because!!#also i've decided i dislike that they made him so expressive. he Would Not Say That. nor would he make that face.#when lloyd can tell what javier is feeling it's supposed to be special because no one else can.#no one else gets to know javier like lloyd does. THIS IS A BIG POINT OF THEIR RELATIONSHIP HOLY SHIT HOW CAN YOU MISS IT.#i'm fine. i'm good. i'm normal about this.
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Old limbus women but one of them is my OC LMAOOOO
#bart#limbus company#limbus company oc#her name is Eglantine if you rly wanna finally know#she has more issues than she has atoms#lcb oc#ahab limbus company#lcb ahab#Eglantine is like if you put all the radiation made by humanity and put it in a old woman#she has beef with everyone that isn't her late wife and late child LMAOOO#i dont count that fuckass eye wrinkle as hag shit okay. i dont count outis and you cant fucking make me and i dont count hermann#old white people get insanely dusty its actually scary#also its a way of me shooting out my little play on ahab. shes kinda low-key infected by the pallidifcation but yknow...its ahab#everyone knows her deteriorating mass but its almost as if she has infested her own insanity as her faith which she has#thats just normal#and Eglantine....she has a severe hatred for those that exhibit a sort of almighty thought process in anyway#i almost just gave up a shit ton of Eglantine lore but naur....not yet#i need to reblog some other stuff up in here#these two will NEVER interact but like i took some liberties and Eglantine is about to attack ahab#Eglantine not being able to justify shit normally so she sees some shit and is jsut âclose enough. welcome back holy onesâ#I'm going to be specifically abnormal about pallidification hope y'all are readt#im a fucking weirdo when ut comes to anatomy and how the body works with said shit among other things
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the pharmacy has ordered my T,,, it should be here either tonight or tomorrow,,, my boyfriend has told me to text him when i get it and he's coming over with cake to celebrate,,, this does not feel real. i am bouncing off the fucking walls, i am vibrating with excitement, this does not feel real
#u ever wake up in the morning and think holy shit. i am living in the days my child self dreamed of.#13 yr old lucian cried himself to sleep thinking this would never fucking happen and i have the privilege to live through it#sorry for transposting sm lately but i'm so fucking happy#og
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One of the biggest book crimes is Harry naming his son "Albus Severus". I feel like the Marauders were done so dirty and it makes no sense to me. I hope you right this wrong in Lionheart!
I've never seen any fandom come together so unanimously to reject a writing decision with the same vehemence that they have Albus Severus (save, like, the ending of Game of Thrones). Everyone looked at it and went "weird, no thank you." Beautiful moment of unity for the fandom.
It might be realistic for the first generation after a major war, but naming all the kids after their grandparents seemed clichĂ© to me. Rose and Hugo and Scorpius were much better, and seemed more like real names that you might pick out because you liked them. Harry doing that to honor his parents specifically because they never got to have normal and long lives is a nice gesture, but it's then weird to use the name "Albus," who lived a very long and successful life, tragic as it was. (I've sometimes tossed around the idea that Harry gives Albus II that name because he wants one of his kids to have a proper "wizarding" name, i.e. something that ties them unimpeachably to the wizarding world, rather than the muggle names given to James II and Lily II â almost an effort to cement his family as being Magic.)
But I was never going to be the right audience for the Potterlets, anyway. I'm not a fan of timeskip epilogues â they work when it's a short jump, but years (or decades) stretches it too far. Either the characters feel like strangers, or they feel the same, which is almost weirder. Which is why I've been on EWE copium since I read the books.
#greenteacup asks#one of the precious few things that the cursed child gets *right* imo#is that the epilogue is a fantastically improbable projection of what life would be like 17 years after the war#specifically everyone being business-as-usual at king's cross#i think the marital discontent and burnout and 'holy fuck i'm exhausted' of it all is much more realistic#which you could say. is not a fun ending for a fantasy epic#and you'd be RIGHT! which is a great reason not to end your fantasy epic SEVENTEEN YEARS after the climax#unless you want to actually flesh out what happens in those seventeen years!
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assorted quotes from the introduction of Monstrous Children and Childish Monsters: Essays on Cinemaâs Holy Terrors
#ok only the introduction of this book is good all these essays are BAD#writing notes on the pilot flashback/jess' death and once again ruminating on sam as the story's original monster#sam was THE og spn creepy child. horror's monstrous-child archetype. the holy terror#finalgirlsamwinchester is just a ruse this is the sam + horror trope i'm most interested in#does anyone get me. he's regan from the exorcist. the archetypal child as the entry point drawing evil into the family home#the first quote really encapsulates how both john and later dean view sam -> the 'conflation of innocence and fear'#innocence/inhumanity -> requiring control. monitoring. containment -> 'i want you to watch out for sammy okay' (2.01)#'to find our innocence we must destroy it; we return to the child within in order to kill it'#also. 'monsters are monstrous because they always escape human comprehension'#^ the mantra i'm gonna tell myself next time i see someone totally misunderstanding sam lmao#ok saving the rest for an actual analysis#sam monstrosity studies#lit recs#j.txt
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Louis being compared to as a saint. Saints, who find their salvation and then give intercession from beyond that veil to move others towards it. A guide for life, where they no longer fall into their sins and trajectories towards a certain hell. "Listen to me as if I am the voice of god, or an angel." Louis being that saintly catalyst for the vampires to confront themselves in that such a way. A saintly Louis is very dear to me.
#If the show doesn't give me this I'm gonna have a talk because this is like... one thing I don't think it possible to change with the books#that's the larger narrative arc really?#iwtv#interview with the vampire#louis de pointe du lac#additional notes:#Lestat thinks he's found his salvation when he lays eyes on louis but this is like sola fide he's not done anything but believe it he's not#moved past his own terrible cycles or confronted them meaningfully#At least in catholicism too the angels are all considered saints and god is like the ultimate saint the holiest of holies#and these are both things Louis is referred to as well#Something special about... a parallel between Louis and Mary too. How he brings a child into this world who dies because the masses wanted#to crucify her. and the judges of the law wanted to see that they do.#Claudia who dies and becomes the reason for Louis to seek his own redemption for the fact.#Claudia that lamb that sacrifice#Claudia who will come back one day to smite the last judgment upon those who stood against her. yeah.#The ppl will ignore the inherent catholicism of it all but not me I'm a freak w/ a hist. of religious delusions even tho I'm not religious#now i'm just a head full of useless theology knowledge
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thoughts on the gallagher siblingsâ relationships with fiona
and what specific and nuanced role she takes on in their livesâmother, sister, or something in between.
special thanks to @aceyanaheim for not only listening to me ramble on and on about my silly little gallagher siblings thoughts, but also for sharing so many insightful and poignant ideas themselves on the matter. thanks so much for the brain worms! <3
lip
lipâs relationship with his sister is complicated. theyâre only four years apart in age, so heâs a little more conscious of fionaâs situation than the other kids.
he doesnât see it allâfi keeps her struggles a little too under wraps for thatâbut he knows what sheâs had to sacrifice to take care of them all (âi stole so fiona didnât have to work a third job to cover the billsâ s11). he knows how alone she feels (âyouâre not supermom; you donât have to do it all yourselfâ s3). he knows she struggles (seeing her cry over the sticks and skates job in s1). he knows what sheâs lost in the process (âyou called her momâ s1). he knows that the kids aren't fair to her a lot of the time ("we've taken you for granted. i know i have" s4).
but as much as lip sees what fiona goes through, as much as he picks up jobs to help out with the bills, as much as he takes care of the little ones, heâs still a kid in need of a mother figure. he still leans on fiona, hard.
all of s2, lip struggles with seeing fiona as a sister vs. a mother. he wants independence, he wants to follow his own plans in life, and he doesnât want anyone to stop himâin his mind, whoâs fiona to tell him what to do? he can drop out if he wants to. heâs done one more year than her! she canât make him go. she canât. sheâs not his mom.
but, well, isnât she? heâs still a kid who messed up and needs help. heâs still a boy who canât go it all alone. heâs still a sixteen year old child who finally comes home and gives his big sister a hug because, despite all his big talk, he needs her. he does. and fiona loves him more than anything. she just wants whatâs best for him, even if she struggles to express it in a manner that doesnât push him away.
lip doesnât want to call fiona âmomâ (s3) but heâs okay with her taking guardianship. and why wouldnât he be? sheâs done the job his whole life. and he sees that.
the problem is that lip, as much as he wants to be independent of fiona, as much as he wants to see her as a sister and not a mom, he canât help but to idealize her. he still craves for the perfect mom in his head that never messes up and always takes care of them, and since monica for sure was never going to be that mom, heâs superimposed that desire over fiona. but that version of her doesnât exist. that version of any mother doesnât exist. mothers are human. they mess up. they make mistakes. even if no one wants them to.
so when fiona messes up (s3 with the club money, s4 with liam, s8 with the apartment, s9 with the drinking) itâs unthinkable to him. heâs furious with herârightfully so, she did mess upâbut heâs disproportionately angry because she was supposed to be their mom! she was supposed to be good and never fuck up and always take care of them! so when she breaks that image of perfection in his head, it shatters his trust in her, somewhat unfairly so.
fionaâs not allowed to mess up. she canât. sheâs not supposed to. sheâs supposed to be the one taking care of everyone, not in need of care herself. lip is understanding and gentle and supportive when itâs ian or debbie or carl, and fionaâs the same with him, but when fionaâs spiraling into addiction and her life is falling apart, heâs all tough love. maybe it terrifies him.
when she leaves, itâs obviously sad. but heâs grown by then to know that sheâs her own person, not just a mother figure to them all. itâs hard. but heïżœïżœs at that point that everyone comes to in life when they realize their parents are individuals with their own lives and hopes and dreams. and he lets her go.
at the end of the day, a huge part of lipâs relationships with fiona is his eternal struggle between wanting independence and wanting a momâand not just any mom, but a mom he can trust and love and depend on. that mom is fiona, even when she fucks up.
ian
ian was fionaâs first baby. he was the first child she really, truly raisedâlip was always her boy, but he was also her second-in-command, blurring the lines between brother and son, working together with her to take care of the othersâwhile ian was the first baby she was all on her own for. the âwe were living in a car onceâŠâ speech in s3 makes that clear.
in the early seasons, itâs clear that ian defers to fiona quite a bit. he listens to her, seeks her out for comfort, respects her word like that of a mother. fiona calls him sweetface, expresses maternal affection with him, and he is receptive of it all in that long-suffering way older teens tend to be with their moms. their relationship is more mother-son than anything else.
but at the same time, he's still marginally aware of her struggles, too, just like lip; the conversation he has with his brother in s3 when fi tries to get guardianship ("she's only twenty-two!") makes it clear that he worries for her, doesn't want her to take on a terrible burden for them. so it's clear that, though he does see fiona in a maternal light, he isn't blind to her reality.
this all changes, however, when ian starts to grow up and want independence and freedom. fiona tries to give him this in s4 when he joins the army, even though it doesn't work out. and in s5, when he is finally forced to confront his own struggles with mental illness and deal with his bipolar disorder, he starts to bond more with monica.
now, this is understandable, seeing as they share the same mood disorder and he feels connected to her through their similar struggles. at first, he actually resents being compared to her ("i'm not fucking monica" s5), but the more they communicate and bond (s7), the more he comes to care for her.
s8 shows ian genuinely mourning his mother (getting sentimental over her meth, getting a tattoo for her), and the other gallaghers don't really understand it, which upsets him; in his mind, that's their mom! why aren't they upset too? i think it's lost on ian that no one else in the family ever had the same connection with monica that he did. she bonded with him; she didn't do the same for the others before her repeated abandonment.
so ian starts to see monica as "mom." where does that leave fiona?
i think this truly marks the final shift of their relationship from parent-child to siblings. especially when looking at s8, where they're fighting over the church. in 'occupy fiona,' ian is furious with her perceived selfishness, and screams at her when she attempts her typical motherly nagging in the form of asking him if he's taking his meds. which, fair; that must be frustrating to hear. but this makes it clear that they're on two separate pages: fiona still sees him as a son. ian sees him as a sister.
but fiona's seeking independence, too. she's seeking an identity that is distinct from her role as caretaker. it isn't just ian growing apart from his sister that's shifted their relationship so dramatically; both characters seek an escape from their family and a life where they can be independent and all grown-up. and in a typical parent-child relationship, only one side of the equation feels those growing pains. in this situation, it's both.
of course, no matter how much they grow apart and hurt each other, they still adore one another. ian's the one fiona goes to for advice about leaving in s9, after all. he's the one who urges her to go and save herself from another lifetime of gallagher chaos. so really, the change in their relationship doesn't destroy their bond; it just alters it a little.
debbie
debbie had, i think, one of the most tumultuous relationships with her sister. as a little girl, she definitely saw fiona as a mother figure, and was very attached to her, almost subconsciously so. the "i wanna stay with fiona" from s1, the way she sought her out for comfort after monica's suicide attempt in s2, the terror she felt at being separated from her after dcfs got involved in s3âit all makes it very clear that little debbie very much saw fiona as her mom.
she still had some understanding of her sister's strugglesâ"fiona takes care of everyone, but who takes care of fiona?" (s1)âbut she was still a little girl and fiona was still her mom.
and then monica came crashing back into their lives. debbie very reluctantly accepted her in, hugging her at sheila's and allowing her to buy her dolls (even though she didn't play with them anymore!) just to humor her mother's attempts to build a relationship. so, as much as debbie unconsciously saw fiona as a mother figure, she still always had this craving for monicaâher real mom.
it makes me think of debbie's assertion to sheila in s1 that if monica ever came back and apologized, she'd "forgive her in a heartbeat. because she's [debbie's] mom." she was still a little girl hanging onto the dream that her mom will come home and love her and take care of her. and she barely realized that she'd found someone else to fill in the gap monica left behind, but it's just not the same. she still wants her real mom.
season 4 marks the shift of debbie's character from seeing fiona as a mom to seeing her as a sisterâor, at least, wanting to see her as a sister. like ian, she was desperate for independence. she was being peer pressured by girls at school, she was interested in boys, she didn't want to be seen or treated like a baby anymore. she was fed up with fiona still treating her like she's her daughter because she's not. she doesn't want to be.
and anyway, fiona was busy with her new job at the cup company and her new boyfriend mike. she wasn't around all the time anymore. sheila'd been babysitting more and more. debbie was the one taking liam to and from head start. she felt abandoned, alone, with fiona not around as much as before.
she sought comfort in sammi. she found purpose in her friends, in boys. it's a very knee-jerk teenage-girl reaction: to find connection in others when you're mad at your mom. but for debbie, she wasn't just shifting away from fiona as a daughter growing distant from her mom, she was shifting away from the idea of fiona as her mom in the first place.
and then, of course, franny happened and drove a terrible wedge between them both. debbie grappled with her identity as a mother. she rejected fiona's help and advice in favor of her quest for independence. monica returned, made her feel like debbie's a good mom. frank supported her. and debbie was in a position where she had both her parents on her sideâher real parentsâwhile fiona opposed her. this, i think, solidified fiona in her mind as her sister. not her mother figure anymore.
don't get me wrong; fiona was in the right opposing her at this time. debbie's pregnancy was a stupid idea. it really did ruin her life and her character overall, and it was unfair of debbie to expect fiona's support in that situation. fiona was being a good mother by telling her she was making a mistake. she still saw debbie as her little girl. debbie's the one who didn't accept that anymore.
after debbie and fiona made up later in the show, they settled into a true sister-sister relationship. debbie came to see fiona at her worst ("she broke her wrist, she's nonstop ugly crying" s9) and tried to take care of her, while fiona still tried to resist the flipping of their roles ("i'm fine. i'm fine." s9). debbie fucked up ford for her that season. got angry and protective on her behalf.
and when fiona left at the end of the season, she left as debbie's sister. no longer her mom. at least, not from debbie's perspective anymore.
carl
carl's relationship with fiona, i believe, was one of the least complicated and most wholesome ones on the show. carl absolutely saw fiona as a mom in the early seasons, without a doubt. he listened to her even when he didn't want to, like a little boy to his mother ("did you brush your teeth? carl?" "yes, ugh!!!!" s1), reluctantly learned lessons from her ("privacy's important" s2), looked to her for permission for things (glancing at her when monica asked him to pass the salad in s1 and only doing it when fiona nodded yes), and sought her out for comfort after monica's suicide attempt (s3).
carl's the only one i can vividly remember saying he loves his sister ("'night, fiona, love you" s1) or thanking her for what she's done for them all ("thanks for being a great sister" s3). at least when he was little, fiona was without a doubt his mom.
it certainly helps that he never really bonded with monica. she left when he was too little to start seeing her as a mom, and every time she returned, she never really took the time to get to know him or connect with him. but carl did briefly bond with frank (the fake cancer arc in s3, "i'm shaving your head to let the sun rays in"), and was the only one who cared about him potentially dying in season four, tending to him in the hospital when no one else did.
season four is when he, like debbie, starts to rebel against fiona's parenting. he's angry and sad and mean and it all comes out in the form of sharp words and beating up kids at school and getting into all kinds of trouble. he's mad at fiona for not caring about frank, but he's also just mad at the worldâunderstandly so. he's fourteen.
the trouble continues well into season 6. carl gets mixed up with g-doggg, starts selling drugs. frank helps him get into the drug world, but he gets caught. he goes to juvie, comes back a little harder, a little meaner. sells harder stuff, sells guns. the whole time, he's established a sort of distance from fiona, because he's too cool for deep, vulnerable relationships, or so he thinks. and the whole time, fiona continues to love him, tries to connect with him, attempts to open his eyes and make him realize how dangerous what he's doing is, but he's determined to be his own man, to earn the respect of his buddies. he feels like frank's the only one who understands.
but then he gets hurt and scared. he sees someone die. he wants out. and frankâwho he hasn't like, loved, per-say, but has at least trusted and established some sort of camaraderie with through their shared misdeedsâbetrays him, scares the shit out of him with his anger and disappointment. and who does carl have to fall back on but fiona?
fiona tells him she's proud of him. she and sean help him get out of the drug world. their relationship is finally rekindled. and it's around his time when carl overhears fiona cry to sean about being exhausted and scared about losing the house (s6). and it terrifies him, because here's his strong big sister, the woman who raised him, young and vulnerable and afraid. and he steps up and gives her the money to buy back the house. he's there for her. he's being a good man.
from then on, carl shapes up and his character is on track to make something better of himself. he takes on some form of responsibility, denounces his father, and goes to military school. and fiona's so fucking proud of her boy. because he is her boyâalways will be, no matter how much he tries to be a strong, independent, grown-up.
when he comes home in s7, he's grown to be a kind, goodhearted, respectful young man. he doesn't refuse her hugs and kisses. he admitsâthough with some hesitationâthat "you were right, fiona! and we were so fucking wrong!" in s8. and when monica dies, he's... conflicted. but he's okay. because fiona was always his mom, anyway. and that never changed.
liam
liam has never known any parent other than fiona.
sure, lip helped a great deal with taking care of him and raising him, and, much later, he bonded quite a bit with frank. and his relationship with most of his siblings is very parental at its coreâheâs the baby, after all, and all of his siblings had a hand in raising him.
but fiona was the one who fed and changed and cared for him his whole life. took him to work with her as a baby (s1). dealt with his hair when he had lice (s6). stood up for him against anyone who dared to hurt him (s9). it was always her, really, in the end. it was only her.
liam was just a baby when monica left. and he wasâwhat, 6?âwhen she died. there are a few times when she randomly returns when they spent time together, but he doesnât even really remember her because he was too little. heâs never known a mother other than fi. sheâs the only one that matters, really.
iâm still upset that she didnât take liam with her when she left in s9, and that we didnât see them stay in contact throughout the remainder of the show. obviously, this was just because emmy rossum left, so itâs just a reflection of the writers working around their situations, but it just felt heartbreakingly unrealistic to me.
they loved each other so much. that was her son, her little boy, her baby bear. she was his mom. no two ways about it.
it wasn't until after fiona distanced herself from the family and then left that liam and frank grew close. frank got him into private school (s8), recruited liam to steal from his rich friends (s8/9), and liam, in turn, made it his mission to take care of frank when his health started declining and his mind started deteriorating to his alcholic dementia (s10/11). part of that connection was absolutely due to liam's bigheartedness; he's such a good, loving kid, with so much forgiveness and love to give to people.
i also wonder if a part of that connection resulted from the desire for parental love and affection. liam's smart enough to know that frank will never care for him the way fiona did, but he seems at peace with his father's shortcomings. he wants a relationship with him anyway.
regardless of the reasoning, liam was so loved by his family and his parental figuresâboth fiona and frank.
in conclusion
i think, from fiona's perspective, she was always the kids' mom ("my siblings are my kids" s9), even though at times her relationship with them blurred the lines between maternal and sisterly. but from the kids' points of view, she was always a very complicated figure in their lives.
the gallagher siblings' complex relationships with their sister are really at the heart of the show; she is the matriarch, the thing holding everyone together, after all. not all the kids had easy connections to her. many of them grappled with their vision of her as a mother vs. a sister. but that doesn't erase what she did for them.
she still raised them. she still cared for them, mothered them. as messy as their relationships were a great deal of the time, she was the best parent those kids ever fucking had. she was their mother through and through, and that is what made shameless truly, unabashedly, shameless.
#shameless#fiona gallagher#fiona and her kids#gallagher siblings#this is long af sorry i'm insane#this is so unhinged holy shit#long ass list of thoughts about how the gallaghers see fiona#and the complexity of their relationships with her#parentification#parentified child#older sister#mommy issues#oof#fiona i love you#thank you @aceyanaheim you are the best#shameless meta#fiona and liam#fiona and carl#fiona and debbie#fiona and ian#fiona and lip
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As a big sibling with a lil sib with epilepsy, when they read TBC they Honestly thought if they got struck with lightning reciting the lord's prayer they'd be cured like Shadowsight is from their epilepsy. I had a discussion with them on how that's not how it works, but ge was so upset they took it away from Shadowsight that he hasn't picked the books back up and has stated that 'he hopes Ashfur wins and starts a new religion.,'
I do not even know how to respond to this besides saying that your little sibling is 100% right to be pissed and I now also hope Ashfur wins and starts a new religion.
#Legit I did not know that Shadow's epilepsy being taken away was so deeply upsetting to SO MANY people#I put it back because putting it back was just the right thing to do (even asked the small following I had at the time what type to portray#(they picked the full tonic-clonics. I would have just done localized or absence if they'd asked me to)#And I did all that research for one single anon who asked for an epilepsy herb guide#So holy cow I didn't know that SO MANY people were snubbed and upset by canon's choice to do that. I'm so sorry#Your little sib isn't missing anything btw they do just go on to confirm that Shadow no longer has seizures.#In book 4 of TBC they say that it was all Ash all along and that's what they've stuck with into ASC#I'm sitting on an essay about... That plot thread. The Ashfur Grooming one#But it's in my drafts because I was a bit afraid of controversy#because i think it was written poorly. Even on top of Book 4's pivot to retcon away Shadow's seizures#I know a lot of people like and are invested in the grooming subplot of TBC. But. I think it was executed AWFULLY#and its really telling that THIS is the plot they tout as grooming *by name* in-canon.--#--and that Shadow has to 'pay' for what he 'did' in some way as if there was ever a choice in the books they wrote--#--But seemingly didn't even seem to clock that what was happening in Spotted's H was grooming until there was intense backlash#and a big part of my contention is the way that Book 4 suddenly tries to retcon that Shadow was groomed from the time he was a child#when it was actually part of book 1 that Shadow was able to personally tell the difference between a real vision and Ash's suggestions--#--BECAUSE he didn't have an accompanying seizure#So like... just know it's also NOT just 'you' if you connected to the character that was epileptic. It WAS there. It was a BIG part of him#Book 4 retconned it so that his epilepsy was part of a long scheme when before that point it was part of him#''ohh ur destiny is to see into the shadows'' BULL SHIT!!#bone babble
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#uncalled for...#sorry I'm reading about galahad đ„ș#holy freak child raised by nuns... obsessed#le morte d'arthur#arthuriana
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so about the last part of that event
#i'm gonna pour gasoline and oil into callirhoe's pond like holy shit#lady literally looked at a toddler and went âoh yeah you're definitely going to spend your life serving drinks to menâ#and just went ahead and âgiftedâ her because SHE wanted a part of her to always be with the Literal child who did NOT consent to being#granted that kinda bs blessing#AND THEN SHE JUST LEFT#god she's almost as unbearable as hanniyah#anyways#lumine#diona kĂ€tzlein#genshin impact#genshin#rhine(shit)posting
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