#i still love spidey

[yellowocaballero]

Miguel is Fine, Actually (Being Spider-Man's Just Toxic As Hell)

Before I watched ATSV I said that I would defend my man Miguel O'Hara's actions no matter what, because he's always valid and I support women's wrongs. I was joking, and I did not actually expect to start defending him on Tumblr.edu. But I'm seeing a lot of commentary that's super reductive, so I do want to bring up another perspective on his character.

Miguel wasn't acting against the spirit of Spider-Man, or what being Spider-Man means. Miguel isn't meant to represent the antithesis of Spider-Man. Miles is the antithesis of Spider-Man. Miguel represents Spider-Man taken to its extreme.

Think about Miguel's actions from his perspective. If you were a hero who genuinely, legitimately, 100%, no doubt about it, believed that somebody is going to make a selfish decision that will destroy an entire universe and put the entire multiverse at severe risk - if you had an over-burdened sense of responsibility and believed in doing the right thing no matter what - you would also chase down the kid and put him in baby jail to try and prevent it. He believed that he was saving the multiverse, and that Miles was putting it in danger for selfish reasons. Which is completely unforgivable to him, because selfishness is what he hates the most. And then he goes completely out of pocket and starts beefing with a 15yo lmfaooo he's such a dick.

But why did Miguel believe that? Why did he believe that Miles choosing himself and his own happiness over the well-being of others was the worst possible thing? Why did he believe that tragedy was inevitable in their lives, and that without tragedy Spider-Man can't exist?

Because he's Spider-Man.

Peter Parker was once a fifteen year old who chose his own happiness over protecting others. It was the greatest regret of his life and he never forgave himself. Peter's ethos means that he will put himself last every time, and that he will sacrifice anything and everything in his life - his relationships, his health, his future - to protecting and helping others. Peter dropped out of college because it interfered with Spider-Man. He destroyed his own future for Spider-Man. He ruins friendships and romantic relationships because Spider-Man was more important. If Peter ever tries to protect himself and his own happiness, then he's a bad person.

That is intrinsic to Peter. Peter would not be Peter without it. A story that is not defined by Peter's unhappiness is not a Spider-Man story. If Peter doesn't make himself miserable, then he's just not Peter.

That is a Spider-Man story: that not only is tragedy inevitable, that if you don't allow yourself to be defined by your tragedy then you're a bad person. If you don't suffer, then you're a bad person. If you ever put anything above Spider-Man, then you're killing Uncle Ben all over again. Miguel isn't the only one that believes this - as we saw, every Spider-Man buys into what he's saying. There's no Spider-Man without these beliefs.

Miguel attempted to find his own happiness, and he was punished in the most extreme way. He got Uncle Ben'd x10000. He tried to be happy, and it literally destroyed his entire universe. It's the Spider-narrative taken to the extreme. Of course Miguel believes all of this. Of course he believes this so firmly. He's Spider-Man. That's his story. And the one time Miguel tried to fight against that story, he was punished. And like any Spider-Man, he'll slavishly obey that narrative no matter the evil it creates and perpetuates. Because if he doesn't, the narrative will punish him. The narrative will always punish him. It's a Spider-Man story.

I don't think the universal constant between Spider-Mans, the thing that makes them Spider-Man, is tragedy. I think it's the fact that they never forgive themselves. And Miguel is what that viewpoint creates. He doesn't believe this things because he's an awful, mean person. He believes them because he's a hero. He's a good person who hates himself.

Across the Spider-verse isn't really a Spider-Man story. It's a story about Spider-Man stories. Miguel's right: if this was a Spider-Man story, then Miles acting selfishly really would destroy the universe. But Miles' story isn't interested in punishing him. It pushes back against Peter's narrative that unhappiness is inevitable and that you have to suffer to be a good person. It says that sometimes we do the right thing from love and not fear, and that Peter's way of thinking is ultimately super toxic and unhappy. ITSV was about Miles deciding that he didn't need to be Peter Parker, that all he needed to be was Miles, and ATSV is about how being Peter Parker isn't such a good thing. Miguel shows that. Whatever toxic and unhealthy beliefs he holds - they're the exact same beliefs that any Spider-Man holds. He's a dick, but I don't think he's any more awful a person than Peter is.

TL;DR: Miguel isn't a bad person, he just has Spider-Man brainrot.

[spidey-brain]

Some people might come for my butt for this, but I gotta say,

I hate when Irondad and Spiderson fics make Peter Tony's biological child.

Like, I'm sorry, but it feels like some people are allergic to found or adoptive families.

[tianhai03]

ppl seemed to like my wips from the other day so heres another miguelito doodlelio

[apple-spider-vinegar]

Fuck it, the Hades and Persephone parts of "Chant" from Hadestown but it's Norman and Emily Osborn

[caffetato-the-caffeinated-potato]

Happy Halloween! (again)

I'm really happy with how this turned out. I love how it's very colorful, but still has a very warm and cozy autumnal vibe. It couldn't be more tonally different from my other Halloween themed drawing if it tried. I did get a bit lazy with the background, though. I had worked on this for a few days and just wanted it done.

I also draw a sketch to figure out everyone's costumes before I attempted to draw them in a finished illustration. I'll put that sketch under the cut.

[5h0w1sh]

Still can’t draw anything

Without having the urge to include Tails-

[lauriel816]

9yo me writing a two-paged essay trying to prove my point of what a noble man Harry Osborn was after I finished watching spiderman 3:

[bethanyeliseart]

peter parker taking his unpaid 15 minute break

[clockwork-stars]

I did something that could either be a really great idea or the biggest mistake of the month (I opened the comics for Spider-man/Deadpool)

(If I stick to it you can applaud me)

[theshadowrealmitself]

Nick Fury being old as hell and just. always being there whenever people get recruited into SHIELD is great and all, but I think it’d be funny if he was also another person who’s not that old but no one knows that, it’s unfathomable to everyone that there was a time before Nick Fury, the guy just seems ageless and inexplicably tied to SHIELD, there’s theories going around that when SHIELD was created, Nick Fury just formed inside the first base, already an adult

[thetimelordbatgirl]

The truest statement said by Batman in Crisis On Infinite Earths Part 3: the multiverse is a mistake.

[journey-to-the-attic]

SK's webs are stronger than any rope Lucifer has so he once tried to convince her to string Mammon up as punishment...

Suffice to say Mammon and SK went on a shopping spree with a newly liberated Goldie while Lucifer was forced to take a nap.

he's furious but he can't DO anything... he just has to hang there and act like this is all part of his plan (it's not)

this tactic also proves surprisingly useful for forcing lucifer to take a break when he's overworking

[nerditudes]

my ocs mirac.ulous lady.bug aus be like

Spidey: Holder of the Spider Miraculous. Civilian identity is "Mr. Ken" a new literature teacher at Dupont. He's very-- flamboyant. All about creativity, telling students to follow their passion and dreams. His Miraculous allows him to create any object at will-- including ones made up. He's in his early 40s but is surprisingly spry when transformed. His civilian form uses a cane covered in stickers.

Shiva: Doesn't actually have a Miraculous. In fact, he's literally just a werewolf. When his cortisol levels rise, he transforms into a 7ft tall bipedal wolf. His lycanthropy can't be transferred via biting, but that doesn't stop folks from thinking he's an akumatized civilian. He's an old friend of Jagg.ed St.one and a minor celebrity back in the states. He was briefly a film actor, mainly in musicals.

[apple-spider-vinegar]

To hell with it. Diminutive little Spider-Man drawing. For fun.

[moocowofdoom]

Found out today that my GF of almost 2 years has NEVER seen TASM or TASM2, so she has now consented to being forced to watch them both this weekend 🤯

[moodbroads]

-listenin to music and imagines the best rp scenario i could do -goes to write it down -poof

i have beef with my brain now LIKE DUDE U WANTED TO REMEMBER IT SO WHY DONT U!??!///?!?1 :(