#i know this is my jikook acct

[just-orbiting-you]

twt army behavior is getting incredibly out of hand and it's escalated from a few months ago from hate across sectors of army to hate to other fandoms/idols. this seungkwan/moonbin situation is absolutely insane, coming off of the levels of abuse toward palestinian army, boycotters, and allies to the cause. there's also been an anti-creation movement too, where fanfic writers, artists, and artmy in general have been pushed too far to the point where they're switching fandoms or pushed off the platform. this is devastating.

and i know some of these hateful people might not call themselves army, but army is the term that denotes a fan of bts in this context i am using it. a lot of these people moving in droves to push people out are also solos.

they're doing this in the name of bts? with their faces in the profile picture. it's one thing if there are direct inflammatory posts/articles that are spreading about x situation, now it's been the DUI and debunking information. but these recent situations have do not fall into that category. the boys are fine and far away from twitter. getting to a point where long time army, army groups, and artists are leaving the fandom space completely is absolutely uncalled for.

army has long tried to do good for both the world and bts. that obviously doesn't come without push back. but now that push back is the dominant voice. and it is so devastating to watch a space i held so dear, fall by the wayside. what do we even do? i miss the fanart, the fanfic promotion, the raising of awareness for important world causes, the critical analysis of the member's art on the timeline, respect for our translators. yes bts are not here right now and that probably plays a role, but who knows if army can even come back if so many people are just gone.

we need fandom creation, we need our organizing power, we need appreciation and encouragement for our boys beyond compulsive streaming. army have always talked about fandom cleansing and i think it is time for a true one this time.

[jeonscatalyst]

as someone whos been on army twitter since 2018, it only seems like armys dont support jikook's bond the way jikookers do is because shippers are in a sub-fandom and within that subfandom they are in an echo chamber. its nothing unusual it's in literally every fandom but thats the only reason lol. like taekookers are saying the exact same thing, that the fandom is full of jikookers and everyone dismisses taekooks bond. solos and shippers all have their own "evidence" and "proof" or armys "not defending ___", and 9.9/10 its something 1) armys have never seen or even heard about bc twitter and the internet is a biiiig space or 2) something taken completely out of context. i like to be in this tag bc ive been an ot7 biased army since 2019 with jikook being my fav duo, and while i dont care to know if theyre in a relationship with each other, its not something crazy either because friends to lovers is like the oldest trope ever and also theyd be cute as hell together lmao. i dont follow any solo focused accounts or pairing accounts, literally only armys and when are you sure came out my tl looked like this tag 😭. armys are well aware of jikook's bond and are supportive of it, the issue is taekookers. i could make a thread of vmin, namkook, sope are married and get 10k likes, but i couldnt do that bc of taekookers. theyd swarm the quotes and no thats not armys doing it or armys fault, thats the twitter algorithm being 100000000x worst after elon musty took over bc it was not like that at *all* pre-him. with likes being hidden and the algo pushing deplorable disgusting terrible tweets, it makes it infinitely harder to take accts down.

also its like the way straight armys and lgbtq+ armys experience being a fan. you notice subtexts and clues that may or may not actually be there or mean what you think/want it to mean but its still your fandom experience and youre able to talk about it with other like-minded people. perfect example for this: like crazy. the queer coded-ness of it all, the makeup & earing on one side, jimin in my eyes created the bisexual Iliad in song form ! but thats not how most het armys wouldve viewed it at all, and that doesnt even mean my interpretation of it is correct or the only way to view it. im not going to look down on those who viewed it differently. so shippers are experiencing something different; they watch their pairing to see how they look at each other, touch each other, speak to each other, treat each other compared to everyone else. armys simply arent doing all that; and that doesnt mean we dont care or that shippers love them more (lol), it just means that within the shipping culture and sub-fandom, thats what yall do. which is cool, but like i said its not the *only* way an army can love and appreciate their bond. there's also the echo chamber aspect of the subfandom culture i didnt really get into but it also plays a huge part in why jikookers think armys dismiss or dont love jikook in the same way jikookers do. all this isn't necessarily a slight against you but i think conversations like these are necessary bc talking points like "armys dont actually like seeing jikook together" or "majority of the fabdom is taekookers who hate jikook" are extreeeemely slippery slopes that discourage any type of meaningful thought, and only encourages and eggs on solo rhetoric, which as we hopefully all know is directly antithetical to what any of the boys would ever want.

Hi anon,

I completely understand the points you’ve made, and I do agree with you to an extent. It’s true that in every sub-fandom within the main fandom, whether it’s Taekookers, Jikookers, other shippers, or solos, everyone essentially complains about the same issues, each armed with their own “proof” to justify their arguments. That part, I fully agree with.

However, while I see your point, I do want to emphasize that Jikook’s bond is often undermined by many within the fandom. And it’s not just Taekookers or solos; even some OT7 fans contribute to this. The reasons for this vary. Yes, you’ll find other groups complaining about the same things we do, but when you dig deeper to understand their grievances, it often turns out to be something taken out of context or just bitterness over someone highlighting Jikook or saying something positive about their bond.

The truth is that Jikook’s bond stirs mixed feelings in this fandom for many reasons. It has never been the simplest relationship to understand…or even to love, if I’m being honest. Many people join fandoms and sub-fandoms as an escape from real life issues, seeking something that feels lighthearted, comforting, or entertaining in their spare time. Because of this, a lot of people dislike grappling with more complex dynamics like Jikook’s. They either reject it outright because they don’t understand it or ignore it altogether. This lack of understanding often leads to their bond being undermined.

Jikook’s dynamic has historically made many people uncomfortable for a variety of reasons that I won’t delve into here. But when we talk about this fandom ignoring or undermining their bond, there is more than enough evidence to support that claim.

In contrast, what’s complicated or complex about Taekook? Their dynamic is fun, easygoing, and comforting, qualities that are universally appealing. There’s no need to overthink their interactions or navigate any layers of complexity when watching them. Everything that has ever appeared complex about those two is largely a result of shippers fabricating explanations to reconcile their behavior with the expectations of a romantic dynamic. These narratives are often crafted to justify why they don’t exhibit the typical actions or interactions one might expect from a couple… I.e Taekook not seen spending much time with each other = the company separating them or regulating their interactions on camera. Most people in the fandom, except for some Jikookers and solos, have no reason not to enjoy their dynamic. An easy way to see this is by observing the response to their content. A Taekooker can make up lies, edit photos, or take moments out of context, and it will gain over 20k likes, with the fandom eagerly eating it up. Meanwhile, Jikookers can post real, authentic moments of Jikook, only to have their posts reported. So, no, for the most part, Taekookers don’t have a strong basis for their claims. (This isn’t the bone of contention but just had to mention this)

I also agree with you that many fans don’t pay attention to the same things shippers and solos focus on. Sometimes they’re simply unaware of certain dynamics, which can come across as indifference. I also don’t entirely agree with the narrative that ARMYs dislike seeing Jikook together. I’ve seen the fandom be supportive of Jikook as a duo but I still firmly believe Jikook is one of the pairs whose bond is most heavily undermined. A clear example of this is how much of the fandom dismisses Jikook’s interactions as mere fanservice, simply because some of their moments appear too “intimate” or “gay” for their liking.

This is definitely a topic that deserves more discussion because there’s so much to unpack here.

[slaaverin]

You belive in tarot right? I have read some tarots who implies they're not in any kind of romantic relationship as in cause those tarot readings are done of their s/o. Yes they have great bond, chemistry and they care for eachother but idt there's any romantic feel to it. I remember this one tarot reading someone had linked and it's from that kpopreading acct who's most of all readings are right and ig in one of the readings (ig ppl asked her about rs btw him and xyz members you know could be shippers) she said that it has happened two times now that she's got some card in both tae and jk's readings and that card indicates both of them are heterosexual. She is professional and doesn't really do what shippers expects from those readings though cause she keeps it till friendships and doens't really dwell into the romantic rs of members with eachother but yeah she's said it. I remember her readings of jm comics true as well.

Do you believe jkk are dating or have/had romantic feelings for eachother?

Hello,

Thank you for your ask.

Personally I tend to look at readings from only one person. When you see readings from many different people it can depend so much on the reader. The cards themselves don't really lie but from one reader to the next the interpretation can really be vastly different and so it can get all muddled up.

I personally only read bluemoonpunch's readings. I've always had an intuitive pull towards hers, and she read for me privately as well, so I have no doubts on her capabilities. Her readings always confirmed as well my own observations about BTS, like she says stuff I intuitively already know.

That's why - even if I absolutely love tarot readings - I do not look up other readings for BTS. It's like when you do a personal reading for yourself, if you do not like the cards you get, you're not supposed to start over to get other cards, what you get is what you get and that's it.

Absolutely no judgement to you or anyone that does this, but to me people who look up many different readings are more close to prying into BTS than anything else. There's a fine line between being interested to learn and violation of privacy. (I get it, we are all curious).

That's only my perspective and opinion, but to me it's best if you stick to one reader you absolutely trust and resonate with, and draw your own conclusions from it.

As for your second question.

Yes I personally believe jikook are in a romantic relationship. Is it a classical one? An open one? An ungoing one? Or however you may classify, I don't know. That is their business.

I don't believe this because tarot cards told me (bluemoonpunch never said they are in a romantic relationship, even if you can read between lines of course).

I believe this from my own observations, after watching all the BTS content that exists.

It is not one single thing that makes me believe those two have romantic feelings, it's thousands of moments and things and words put together.

I believe it so much so, that to me the contrary would be more impossible.

And I know it's a strong word to use - but it's true.

I'm in disbelief many people don't see it already, when it is so in your face and plain as day. Because what would be the alternative?

A relationship like theirs, with so much romantic connotation, that is simply friendship? It doesn't exist. Like people in real life they don't do it, it's too weird. However you turn it and make it make sense in your head, it just doesn't make sense.

There is no alternative to me.

The playfulness, the skinship, the closeness, the flirting, all of it could still be explained with a deep friendship, alright.

But what about the sexual undertones?

THIS.

How can two friends have that much sexual tension? Sexual jokes? How can a friend be such a shaved legs enthusiast? And butt? Why a friend would pull up his tongue in such a sexual manner to tease A FRIEND? Why make jokes about them tying each other up?

You can't make that shit up.

The sexual undertones of their relationship makes it romantic to me.

Because everything else you can pass it up as very close friendship at best, if you squint and wanna be blind.

But the way Jungkook wants to devour Jimin it's not something a friend would do.

And I know that's so little examples from me, sorry for my shit memory, but there are tons and tons of sexual moments between them, so this plus EVERYTHING ELSE. I MEAN????

What more do you want from them? To kiss on stage?

Jungkook already SUCKED JIMIN'S EAR. That's somewhat even worse because what kind of intimacy you need to do this? Even with my boyfriend of 9+ year it's not something that would come to mind.

You need to be really. fucking. close. to do this.

Ahhh I don't know what people want anymore.

Everything they say or do screams couple. To me saying it now out loud would be like? useless. WE ALREADY KNOW.

Anyway I went on a tengeant but I hope you get my point.

To me they are indeed in a romantic relationship and the recent travel show only confirms it even more (i didn't think it was possible??). I'll make posts about the travel show when I will have settled into my thoughts.

But I can't tell you what to think anon, you need to make your own mind about this.

Take care 💜

[stormblessed95]

https://www.tumblr.com/stormblessed95/758210647707320320/a-humble-request?source=share

Thank you for saying out that loud. I was actually thinking of sending you saying the same thing but i thought you'd say that you can't tell ppl how they should operate their blog and it's their choice etc.

I really want the jikook tag and my tl on Tumblr be fun and positive. Like i was literally thinking if i should just delete twitter and Tumblr so i don't see any negativity. idk if I'll go on twitter or not but i also muted accts i know are the ones that usually replies to antis posts to you know as a clap back n all. Which again ain't probelm for me on other days but really not now. So yeah. Thank you so much. Hope the jikook tag stays safe here.

Block people, mute specific words like anti, tkkr, taekooker, and other variations of the slurs antis turn the boys names into, etc. curate your timeline the best you can. And seriously, if you see someone bringing something you don't want to see into your timeline, just block or soft block or mute them, at least for the duration of the show so that it doesn't happen again.

Good luck 💜

[mimikoolover]

https://www.tumblr.com/mimikoolover/753926264796119040/ive-never-seen-one-jikooker-ever-defend-jungkook?source=share

u asked for a link to the tweet so i went to check on twitter but the acct is currently private as they do it often but the@ is @/seatotterskm13 now idk when she'll go off private cause sometimes she goes off private immediately sometimes after days but I'll see if i can get it when they're off private. I'm already preety inactive on twitter but I'll see and get it.

Even in the ppl in the gc i don't remember the names properly but like nochujimi, night2712 smtg, Keira, kookmoons etc these accts are in the video too and even i have seen them defending jk. The tweets must be up there acct. Can scroll and see. I don't follow all of them i know only nochujimi and you can literally scroll through her twitter and see her defending jk multiple times. She's pro Palestine so she has called out scooter Barun but never once has she dragged golden or anything. Same with other accts. Anyways some of them accts in the video has requested for the archived which shows deleted data which might come off. Idt ppl has time to listen to jk's album and show literal receipts of that while also hating on him in some GCS like pretending on twitter is one thing but pretending to like jk's music in ur private is another. Kookmoons has showed receipts of her recent streamings too.

https://x.com/kookmoons/status/1804238913382293599

Like i very well know how ppl can frame you i have been through that so when I see someone exposing another human my first thought is always how much truth it holds. Ppl on this damn app accuse you of based off of their assumptions and bs so i will always question how much truth it holds no matter what. I won't if it's coming from jk anti but when i know atleast one acct from it why should i belive that gc? That too from jjks? The closeted tkkrs? And this ain't coming from manipulation this is coming from experience who's been on that app and in the fandom for yrs now.

https://curiouscat.live/hoetolegy/post/1356358130

This is supposed to be a jm biased jkkr yet she always defends jk, golden on tl in her cc. This one is just recent but there's tens of her doing so during all these months. she always said that jk deserves all that promo and so does jm but dragging jk ain't it. her frnd circle is also jkkr and all of them have defended jk. That's why i said you're on wrong side of twitter idk.

granted most of them are ot2 but you saying "i have never seen jkkrs defend jk" is something else. Hope you don't expect us to keep links to all the tweets of jkkrs defending jk cause you'd ask me them defending jm and i still won't be able to bring many cause i don't keep tab but i see it when it happens.

I looked back on nochujimin's tweets and I could not see one where they defend Jungkook against jimin solos.

this person in particular appeared in the video saying that they agree with jimin solos.

that's where this originated from in my brain. they have pretty much admitted to being a jimin solo.

idc if they claim to love jungkook. I don't care if they seemingly defend him from tkkers because they're just playing their shitty war with tkkers, it's not about jungkook.

until I see these people denouncing jimin solos and talk about tkkers, jjks and pjms in the same breath, including pjms in their rants, then I will believe they are not jungkook antis.

they never need to mention pjms because pjms don't hate on jimin and they only care about the hate jimin gets. aka they are jungkook antis.

[chevelleneech]

https://www.tumblr.com/chevelleneech/761066997012414464/watching-frankie-biggz-react-to-the-bts-guide-and?source=share

This thing frustrates me sooooo much so I'm just trying to not go to places where i know I'll see shit you know? I'm in my delulu land where i can be like "if i don't see it then it's not there" when i know it's happening there but still.

I was just thinking about how all jimin and jungkook watch YouTube like that's there go to app for yrs, jk is on tiktok as well where the whole army side is again infected with Tkkrs just like YT as well and jm used to have tikto atleast during covid (as we saw on his phone during BTS's last doc where we saw his home for the first time, he could still be having) and both of them watch members related stuff and Army's made videos as well so out if frustration I'm like They all see it , they see what's been said in those video and how they're portrayed and if they're not giving shits about it is it really worth that we keep fighting these loosers? No. So ig from now on I'm just gonna let ppl think whatever they want of jimin-jungkook's friendship if ppl want to believe they hate e/o so be it, if they think jungkook is forced then so be it.

I remember well that one time when tkklives acct was taken (like Locked or smtg) and then later it was given back to her by BH with a fatass pop-up that the channel doens't cross any boundaries or wtv and she said that BH was quite good to her as in that they didn't take down her acct or shit like that. The point is if people with power who can actually do something about these things don't care is it really worth it that we give it this much attention? Jikook thinks their Fandom loves them when it hates them together so let it be.

This was just my frustrated rant tbh. After yrs of seeing the same shit happening and getting mad over things i can't do anything about I'm just gonna take a step back and let things be. There's no hope for the betterment of this Fandom They're gonna say jikook fanservice for the rest of BTS's existence and there's no turning back there. And given how both jm and jk are private and don't post their personal things online everyone is gonna keep questioning it saying they don't meet apart from work while others who post are gonna be called closest the same that happened in 2023. Although it's been happening since before 2023 but it's just gonna get worse so I'm gonna let people handle it who can actually do something about it.

I sacrificed my algorithm to watch a Tkklives video real quick, not the entire thing, but a portion to see if anything has changed from when I first got into the fandom and wanted to see what a the drama was about once I knew Tkk vs Jikook was a thing.

Anyway, from the 5 minutes I just watched, it doesn’t seem like much has changed. She slows down clips and makes up her own ideas about what’s going on, and people believe it. So if that’s all she’s been doing and continues to do, there is nothing the company can do about that. Not to mention, people keep saying Big Hit said she can keep going, and aside from me never seeing proof of that being true, I would imagine her not living in SK makes it tough to sue her anyway.

She posts elaborate fantasy edits, creating a story out of footage millions of other people have made YouTube edits with. Granted she’s annoying and has stirred a plethora of drama within the fandom, but she’s not doing anything illegal from how it currently looks. So it’s. It even really that a delusional fan is creating and spreading her own conclusions, it must that Tae unfortunately has the most toxic fans out of the members, and majority of them ship Tkk.

His fans also happen to be the most vocal, even if he’s not the most popular, so they tend to cause the most chaos. In any case, I’m not trying to change anything nor argue with people who have sewn their ears shut. It’s just irritating to see a guy who seemingly wants to get to know BTS as people and artists be led astray, over a ship and fandom drama he has no idea about. They’re using his naïvety to manipulate his opinions of the members and the company (the latter which don’t even need help these days), but the second someone suggests a Jikook video for Frankie to watch so he can fully understand that Jimin and Jungkook do essentially live in a bubble when together, and outside parties often come across as third wheels without it being a big deal, that person will be spammed with harassment and be considered a necessary block. Which Frankie would like adhere to, because he is unaware that Tkkrs hate Jimin and his friendship with JK.

Which, from an outside perspective is always going to be difficult to explain, because the actual status of JM and JK’s relationship is irrelevant. Them dating or not does not mean anything to the overall fact of the situation. It’s simple that Tkkrs hate the very possibility of them meaning anything to each other, because they want Tae and JK to mean everything to one another at all times. It’s why Tkkrs struggle to accept even the smallest Jikook moments. JK can’t wish Jimin a happy birthday without Tkkrs claiming he was forced by the company to say something. Jungkoom can’t look at his cellphone even though JM and Tae can, without it meaning he’s bored out of his mind without Tae around to entertain him.

So how do you explain to someone who is 100% unaware of this chaos, that he’s being lied to? There is sensible way to tell Frankie Biggz that the people who harassed him only did so, because they don’t like they he misunderstood Tae’s natural “bitchy” personality, due to him simply not knowing Tae well enough to know that’s just how he is? How do you explain to him that AYS wasn’t written with the intent to make Tae seem like a third wheel, but that Jimin and Jungkook themselves are more than aware that they tend to push people into third wheel territory when with them, because they build a bubble around themselves when together?

You can’t explain that. It has to be observed, but when Tkkrs are able to get ahead of that learning curve, and plant seeds of doubt and convince people that Tae is a victim of a mean company and JM and JK are victims of a script… there’s nothing else that can be done.

I do hope he continues to watch more official content and comes to realize Tae is sort of meh about things, because that’s just who he is. He makes snarky comments and likes to chill out on his own, but he’s also very extroverted and livens up a party when he wants to. I also hope he is able to learn who Jimin and Jungkook are, and understand that it would be impossible to script their friendship for 12 years. But who knows. Hell either fall down the Tkk lies rabbit hole, or see the light. Either way, I am still annoyed Tkkrs got to him so fast.

[marengogo]

one of the things that social media training aims is -

Cultivating proper social media etiquette :- social media can make or break celebraties, especially today. With the help of media training, celebraties can learn how to properly engage with people on social media.

that's what a internet says. and if you're sharing content from fans that smh implies that you're endorsing content from said fan accounts. you might not think this way but many do and the Thousands of comments on that @/taekookupdate accounts do feel the same.

about the comment on @/chikoritajjk yes it was necessary and needed cause i have ignored their comment last time to my ask i sent to someone but everytime it can't be the solution right? and if you think my tone was wrong let me tell you chikoritajjk ain't a saint where they talk with "let's have discussion" kinda thing cause i do remember when i sent an ask to someone to which they replied their tone was "what the hell people think they're? do think they have right to do this that, why do they think so Highly of themselves blah blah" and in my whole ask i never once used any curse language or accusatory tone in my that ask but chikoritajjk decided to reply with that tone so i know better. i ignored them last time and even this time i didn't say anything bad to them. i also have all the rights to comment on people who replies to my ask as chikoritajjk did so yes it was needed. they would be surprised to know how many times they have agreed to my other asks i have sent to other people where they have commented with "agreee 💯" like many times and that was the reason i ignored their comment on one of my ask i sent to other blog thinking that everyone is not gonna agree with you every single time.

idt there's further discussion needed on this topic cause atleast I'm done with this. i believe what i believe and nothing is going to change that so I'm putting this at rest from my side. this will be my last reply that's it.

⚠️WARNING⚠️ : Heavy cynicism up ahead, proceed with caution!

Hello Anon & Everyone, 

As promised, the following are my points to your ask, replied under your self-declared last post for this topic. So let’s go out with a bang shall we?

"why are you here if you think you're right" because i saw you saying that "Imagine if i have to check every acct i post from......" Thing where you directly indirectly said some people who think like this ain't gonna survive if jkk turned out to be not dating so i replied cause I'm a jkkr and no i don't think they're dating and i also do think tae should have double checked the acct before reposting. 

I will admit, this part had me a little confused. How did I indirectly say anything? I clearly said, and I repeat, some people will not survive if jikook turns out to not be real. Some people, such as myself, won’t if JK & JM turn out to just be friends, because we love them regardless. Some people, such as whoever person in the world to whom this may apply, will have existential crisis if JK & JM turn out to not be lovers. How am I responsible for the fact that you decided to associate yourself with the second group? If you don’t relate, don’t retaliate … I’ll keep repeating this until it sinks. If you are part of the first group of some people and being disappointed in Tae, then be part of that, or any other combination. That’s why I said some, because obviously I didn’t mean all … not sure how else to explain this but I hope it makes sense.

So i thought blogs are where you have discussions even when you're not agreeing to things so i did that but just got to know that you're supposed to block and scroll down.

 … We’ve already discussed this part in my previous answer. If you want to discuss, let’s discuss. If you come out gun blazing, let’s have a shoot out yadda yadda yadda. 

"the problem is is that the account is shipper account and no one's ready to have that conversation" for some people it might be like that but since you replied to my ask saying this let me clear this that i don't care if he's posting from shipper acct or any kind of acct my problem is that is anti and now unintentionally it got 42k around followers space where people belive he posted it after checking the acct so now they have all the rights to continue their hate. 

You see … damn … you almost had a point, but you fumbled the ball. So it is not about the fact that they are a shipper, which is the only thing that Tae could have assumed scrolling “really quickly” on a picture app, because i mean if the page is called taekook and in the first couple of pictures is only JK and Tae, not in NSFW, one could also, at the very least, think that this is a Tae and JK biased account, cus, what type of picture screams ANTI!? The pinned post, the english one. You will agree with me that it would take more than 3 seconds for a non english speaker to figure that one out, right? So if he by chance just so happened to keep opening posts with english written letters, and he has only so much time in a day in the military and all he is just not going to interact with ARMY because SOME ARMY have made it so that this fandom at the moment is a trap after trap after trap? … OH BTW, IF I EVER GET THE APPROPRIATE TIME AGAIN, I’M COMING FOR SOME OF Y’ALL IN TWITTER ARMY! 😎… Because YES, once again, it could have been the page of someone very dangerous, all the likes we listed previously, BUT as you just admitted is not even/really/primarily that, it’s more the fact that this is a JM anti hence the perpetuation of JM’s hatred for lack of Media training, which should have thought each member how to avoid situations where they cause endorsed hatred (I’m assuming you mean that for every member by the way) those are not the words you chose, but I think I summaries it quite well, which brings us to our next point:

Yes he's not responsible for what people think but he's responsible for what he posts. Media training is there for a reason if he had time to check his name tag I'm sure more 10 sec wouldn't have caused much problem. You said one scroll always don't tell you about the acct which i agree and i would have been fine again if those anti posts were down the page i would have assumed he didn't scroll that down and it's fine but ths posts are up there so in this case 10 sec would have been enough.

 You know who has the most effective and I’d dare say perfect Media Training? According to your internet search: Beyoncé Giselle Knowles-Carter. Don’t interact with anyone. Don’t go for interviews. Don’t stop for nobody. Just post pictures and keep it moving. But BTS is not like that is it? BTS loves interacting with ARMY, and ARMY loves interacting with BTS. It’s just how our fandom is right? As the fandom got bigger and deranged, some things had to change them leaving Twitter, for example … but no matter the threat, the hate, the dragging, they keep coming to us because it is not all of ARMY, it is SOME ARMY which can y’all even be called ARMY at this point? 

Furthermore, not tryna throw JM under the bus but, wouldn’t you agree with me that every time that JM mentjons JK, he causes so much dragging, we’d get ot the core of planet Earth? Is JM endorsing himself being dragged? Or dragging JK at that, are we getting a 2 for 1 coupon? I mean, that letter he sent, according to your definition of media training was waaaay off the mark if you ask me. I’m I implying that JM doesn’t have the right to talk about whatever the fuck he wants, whenever the fuck he wants when it is something related to himself, even if it will MOST CERTAINLY cause dragging? Many of you out there don’t realise that VMIN are actually different sides of the same coin, or ying-yang, etc. You’d think by now some of y’all would have noticed, but … 

AND DON’T EVEN GET ME STARTED WITH IU’S!! HOW COULD SHE!!! In her new song, the one that is going to come out on the 24th you know? Love Wins All, is presently the craze of some tkk shippers because IU is wearing a lip ring, a black hoodie and seems to be very comfy with a camera; I mean ... JK much so then ... is Tae JM? (His outfit thus far seems to match with something JM would wear, so hey! YOU NEVER KNOW 🤡🤡🤡)? That’s what they are obviously adding dots to, because you know JK is the only to have ever wore a lip ring, with a hoodie while being interested in filming 🤡🤡🤡… Media Training classes had the lowest attendance in the history of SK if you ASK ME! … Students nowadays! Honestly, no respect! We should bring back hand smacking I tell you!

I hate it when people thinks that just because we're pointing out something it's gotta have something to do with "shipping" when we don't care about it that's why i replied. That's all i wanted to clear although i do have things to say but it's waste of time so it's agree to disagree situation.

If that’s how you feel, you are free to feel however you want to feel. If I could suggest something though, you could really benefit with substituting ALL/WE with SOME/I cause who is we? Some of Twitter “ARMY” we? I’ll have you know that some of the people who were disappointed in Tae did not feel how you did and there was definitely no projection on their part, so just putting that out there. Also, start caring less about what people think, I believe BTS has had to embrace this particular thought process in order to be able to carry on. It can be difficult at times, and you’ll need lots of practice, but it can be done TRUST ME, or don’t! up to you. 

about the comment on @/chikoritajjk yes it was necessary and needed cause i have ignored their comment last time to my ask i sent to someone but everytime it can't be the solution right? and if you think my tone was wrong let me tell you chikoritajjk ain't a saint where they talk with "let's have discussion" kinda thing cause i do remember when i sent an ask to someone to which they replied their tone was "what the hell people think they're? do think they have right to do this that, why do they think so Highly of themselves blah blah" and in my whole ask i never once used any curse language or accusatory tone in my that ask but chikoritajjk decided to reply with that tone so i know better. i ignored them last time and even this time i didn't say anything bad to them. i also have all the rights to comment on people who replies to my ask as chikoritajjk did so yes it was needed. they would be surprised to know how many times they have agreed to my other asks i have sent to other people where they have commented with "agreee 💯" like many times and that was the reason i ignored their comment on one of my ask i sent to other blog thinking that everyone is not gonna agree with you every single time. 

I don’t know what you wrote, but cursing isn’t the only grammatical structure which makes a sentence offensive, people have different triggers, unfortunately you can’t know what triggers people so that hard, but for example some people might find my post highly triggering with my use of cynicism, but at least I had a disclaimer 🤡. But anyways, what is this? Are you trying to have a ah-ha! moment with them because they happened to agree with something you said, while they disagreed with something else you said? Are two people meant to agree/disagree with the same thing all the time in order to get along/ not to be considered whatever it is you think they are...? I know you can’t be implying this, so I will not do you the dishonour and keep it moving. 

Aaand it seems we’ve reached the end. Glad we’ve now finally put this topic behind us as per your decision. Keep supporting, and fighting for JM. I mean it. If what you, and some of y’all, have been doing thus far hasn’t been working, I’d maybe sit down and figure out other ways to get to the root of the issue reporting accounts and a less blaming/projecting type of approach in spreading awareness do the job they are meant to, it may not seem so, but they do as long as it is done. Fighting!

Always respectfully yours,

Best regards,

Marengo.

[theschizotypalsolilquy]

https://www.tumblr.com/theschizotypalsolilquy/748659134345412608/so-you-agree-memories-of-his-first-ever-gcf-with?source=share

Wait a damb minute....i have been a jkkr for yrs now and how the heck i didn't know 11/08 is supposed to be the jkk anniversary? As far as i know we celebrate 11/08 as GCFT's anniversary and because gcft is special for us we might celebrate it in more excitement than anything else. And since it's the date he posted gcft we give it important cause again back to the point it's a gcft date. Where the heck anon got it's a jikook anniversary?? Do you think we're tkkrs who go around 1538352th taekook day in 365 days?? There's no such"jikook day" or "jikook anniversary" thing here. We celebrate the moment that happened at a particular date which we find big and important for us we don't call any day as jikook day. You'll never see any big jkk account calling 11/08 jikook day. Other small accts might think so but we don't do it like tkkrs here.

And his first ever gcf is still special cause jungkook himself said he'd never forget the trip in an interview, they have talked about the trip in multiple interviews. Even though they have already went to japan so they had other options to go for travelling yet they went to japan again. And do not forgot the fact that no one knew jk was going to upload gcft cause no one was aware of it neither the staff nor jimin or members. jungkook himself said "gcft was different and i did what i wanted cause it wasn't work" and said since other gcfs are work related he has restrictions which he didn't had for gcft so you can crawl back anon.

Exactly.

See, GCFT is not a Jikook event for me.

Because it's all about Jimin.

It's JK showing us the Jimin we never get to see.

Does it help that the song he paid to use is about LGBTQ love? Fucking absolutely.

And as much stock as I put into that GCFT and celebrate it as JK's debut as a filmmaker, the one that holds more weight to me, in my not so humble opinion, is GCF in Saipan.

Now that one?? Oh, that is a love ballad for Jimin from JK. Because he doesn't wanna hide no more. What he found in Jimin is "so real".

Do i think that GCFT holds a special place for JK and Jimin? Yes. But I've never looked at it as an anniversary for them.

[akookminsupporter]

Idk how much you agree with this but you are in the fandom longer than me so maybe you might have noticed this that the fandom definitely treats jikook different than other pairs. If i have to give recent example then it's when jm said "i miss you" and jk commented under it "me too" now everyone thought it's for armys then jk just went live and watched that cover then went with watching jm's content like he watched toughly around 90 mins of jimin's content. Now if this was jk watching nj content or any other member it would have been so much like "omg he's missing xyz", "omg he's so in love with xyz", "jk can't even be away from xyz for too long" and i saw only one big (not that big but like follower around 10k+) ot7 army acct saying that "i think jk is missing nd another one which is kind of jim biased acct saying"i think that miss you wasn't for us". Although armys were saying that"who's he exactly missing" under jk's me too translation post but yeah others were like he went live so he's missing amrys. Now I'm not stating that jk was missing jm but i do kind of think he was missing jm. Cause he didn't have to say that me too. He also said that "why you guys are commenting I'm not even reading" nd he actually didn't read any comments that time. Also saying that he has watched that pixid episode of jimin (mind u even i didn't watch it even the suchwita ep, he watched both before me) He didn't even talk much he was only paying attention to whatever he was watching.

Another one is everyone talking about jk changing colours during nj's part in gcfh but literally in the same video he changed colour for jm's part too. And let's not even start with gcft cause literally ONLY jkkrs talks about it and no big accts. U know initially i thought maybe they don't want to get into this jkk n tkk shipwars so they stay away from mentioning it but nahh i was hella wrong big accounts do talk about taekook like "boyfriends" this that type alot even when moment is nothing much. And u can always compare the likes to tkk post and jkk post by any big ot7 it will tell u alot. Every time any acct gets exposed they turned out to be tkkrs. It's like a record n clockwork at the point. We all know that tkk is the most popular ship and the fandom is filled with it and there's no denying it.

Sometimes i think they might be used to jkk doing these kind of things alot that they're at a point where nothing makes them feel it's out of the blue or if it's "boyfriend-ish" but every single compliment any other duo throw at e/o and they starts with their "they're flirting", "they're dating" bs. Them turning every normal interaction of any duo into this mess is very frustrating to me. And i actually don't even follow big accts Cause of many reasons but they still end up on my tl and i can still see their hypocrisy. It's like jikook have to do some extreme stuff and only then they'll ever talk about them in a sentence...

Oh Anon, are you a new army or jikooker? Because believe, we have been saying this since ever. You are literally preaching to the choir. What you described is nowadays call the jikook oti7icacion.

[theangryjikooker]

Man i think you should be grateful that you don't get Tkkrs in ur ask cause jesus the mental gymnastics there is really something else. I saw an acct having 14 pages of "taekook being solo/rebellious" or whatever. Like call the show scripted and go what's with 14 pages?? Till ep 3 they were writing essays on how the show is ending jkkrs and they should admit in hospital and the comapny lied to them all this time by doing fanservice cause now it's all showing up but as soon as ep4 dropped they're back to their 14 pages as how company is pushing jkk and their usual. I mean at least jkkrs are taking not all but most jkkrs whatever jikook says at face value while with Tkkrs it's"if it doesn't fit my narrative it's bongo's doing if it fits then it's TK ending company". They are far gone than Larries bruh. Who knows jkkrs would go there as well

Lol it’s cute that you think I don’t get them.

But yes, I would hate to be a “neutral” Tkkr in Tkk spaces. I already can’t stand the unhinged Jkkrs coming at me, I don’t know that I’d be able to deal with a whole fucking fandom.

Because I’ll tell you what, I can unravel Tkk even faster than Jkk. Fortunately for them—not my monkey, not my circus.

[mrs-monaghan]

Don't fuck with PJMs

Exactly

One of the most dedicated fanbase among ARMY in voting, streaming and buying

1. They alone pulling almost 4 M streams for LC even after a month, while others decided to drop him conveniently. Keeping it on BB chart for a 4th week without any western collab or radio.

2. Funds flowing to JMfunds from different parts of world. She's fr the mother of team Jimin, working non stop for the 5th week. While OT7 acct bitching and comparing it with haegum donations. Really ?

3. He won almost all votings he was part of during promo period. He didn't left with empty hands. We even won for a Bside.

4. Now this is my personal opinion but I think compared to maknae line JM stans are much tolerant to queet theories, except solos ofcourse. You can see the LC queer theories getting 50k+ likes while it will be a blood bath if it was a JK mv. Remember what happened with chakhos ?

5. Last BTS comeback debuted at #14 on BB while bad decisions, a English song with a big western rapper did a #10. While Like Crazy made history because of never ending support from JM stans even after back to back sabogation.

At the end of the Park Jimin will keep on winning because his fans really got his back.

I fucking love PJMs. I don't even mind the solos when they pull up. Yes, they can be pieces of garbage especially when they hate on JK or other members but them assholes know how to put their money where their mouths are. While other solos are busy trying to prove where their fav gets his dick wet, Jimin solos are getting him awards.

Even Jikookers understand that yes, we support Jikook. But before they are Jikook, they are Jimin and Jungkook. 2 separate individuals. We can celebrate their relationship all day long but when it comes to streaming and buying we put that aside and get to business. The vermin could learn a thing or 2 from this.

Anyway, all hail the Kings

[just-orbiting-you]

for some reason i don’t think they’re gonna show tae in the show. if what people were saying was true and that he was in jeju with the wooga squad. i think he met up with jikook by the end of their dinner and cameras were probably off. i feel like they would have showed that in the teaser if it was filmed. either way i don’t really care if he is in it or not. 10 minutes of him isn’t gonna ruin my mood since we’re getting 8 HOURS of jikook. and tkker’s theorty that jk called him cause he was tired of jm can’t be true if he was is jeju with his friends. just negative spirited people tbh

10 minutes of him isn’t gonna ruin my mood since we’re getting 8 HOURS of jikook.

after thinking about it for a while this is what i've come to. i am LOCKING IN. this is a once-in-a-jikooker lifetime moment and we are so lucky to get this sort of content. i think its better cause to celebrate then feel disappointed over a cameo from another member. who knows the ct camping yoongi phone call might be in there too.

itd be nice to not give tkrs more fuel with a t@e appearance, but they don't have an 8hr travel show of their faves. we do. so i think best course of action for all of us is lock tf in, block accts we don't need, and just savor this show as it airs.

[reflectionlike]

https://www.tumblr.com/reflectionlike/768584389852594176/theres-always-talk-about-usa-and-uk-being-jimin?source=share

But Indonesia is part of his shippers as well? I mean that's also tkkrs' land. This thing that i have always believed is the majority of his fans comes from India. I mean i know he's considered most popular even before k-pop becoming big in india but for the current record and numbers i just think India is what makes the most difference along with the other shipper countries u mentioned. Why India? Obviously because of population. As a Indian myself the majority of Indian armys are taekookers be it shippers or just TK biased. Majority is like 95% you can say. of course now k-pop is big big in india as well and obviously all of them are BTS fans and in them 95% of u think are his fans then u can think about the numbers. Reason obviously is shippers and losers being visual obsessed. Most of the engagements on his posts comes from Indian is what i belive. The #1 populated country in that the most famous k-pop group and 95% being his fans so U can imagine the number of fans. taekook obviously are more famous here as u know and between the two taehyung is more popular. There's tiktokers from India who like got famous during covid has 30-40-50 M followers so when his fans brag about those followers i just cackled because U know where these numbers are coming from and those numbers definitely don't show your talent. The artists considered legends here don't have 1M followers but these tiktokers be having 10,20,30M followers like damn.

(Many of the FBS in the fandom have Indian admins the big chart update accts with 700k, 1M million followers are also Indians.)

Anyways, after all these yapping my main point was that i personally believe the difference in engagement or number of fans is something coming from desi side or more specifically india because he's most popular here and India is most populated so obviously more numbers of fans. But his music is definitely not something that's an average Indian audience would enjoy. so obviously that number of fans doesn't help him in music charts.

India! How could I forget? The market is huuuuge there, you are totally right.

So it’s more visual and the “idea” of him the thing that fans there like? That’s totally fine, as long as you are ok being an influencer. I think India’s music market has plenty to choose from to settle for Taehyung…

How’s the Jimin panorama there now? I have always read complaints about desi fans and their attachment to ships and certain tropes, but my only direct contact with a desi army was a couple of years ago with a Jikook fan that I used to talk for while with, so, not objective.

[struggle-but-its-all-ocean-floor]

I'd simply say it's the difference in timeline cause i have seen ALOT of tweets during seven as well as Golden as well as fri(end)s as well as rpwp and during HOTS too. it's the same accts tweeting. Most difference would come from solos and ppl who has biases. For example i follow this one acct on twitter and they seems to be rl bias. During rl's music i saw them tweeting so many times about everything regarding the album like streaming, records, achivements, sales, analysis etc etc. but now during MUSE release i have seen just two tweets from them. one was "I love when jm dances" and another was "I want the acoustic version now" that's it nothing else at all. they talk more about what's going on in k-pop than the current album at hand. I see more tweets of mhj nd hybe drama from them than anything related to jm but as long as U're not hating on the I'm fine.

That's one of the reason in many others.

One thing i have also noticed is the more you make records the more tweets are there on the tl. in past i used to interact with big army accts so i used to see them on my tl alot but now i don't nd i hardly see them on my tl and I'm pretty fine with it. idk if they're talking about muse or not even lol.

About the treating jm underrated artist so pushing him more then I'll say all this time armys have underestimated jm. despite knowing he's atleast 3rd popular member all i have seen during face is how great and big jungkook and taehyung's solo albums are going to do. i have seen comments under jm's achivements as "This is just jm now imagine how jk and Tae's albums will do, oh they gonna EAT" from literally army chart update accounts and I'm swearing on whatever god i belive i have seen those comments from big accts as wel as other armys. None of them were expecting jm to do well and be that first korean soloist to get #1 on Spotify, #1 on hot100, #1 billboard artists. i remember this one pjm getting dragged in their qts by again update accts when that pjm said let's get jm #1 on hot100 and all armys up in their qts were laughing at them saying it's impossible for solo members to get it. i have seen one update+ shooter acct saying "girl it's good to aim high but let's be realistic now but do you know who can give us that #1 hot 100 ? jk x jb" lol these were the comments i have seen during face and i won't forget how everyone undermined jm's chart success despite him always doing the best chart wise among all members. Armys goal for jm was never #1 but it was top 60 on hot 100, it's only when they saw prediction acct's prediction they thought we have chance so I'll always give a big chunk of success of that #1 to jm's solos than armys. Not saying armys didn't help of course they did.

About jkk then there's nothing more for me to add cause what you're saying is what it is, has always been. wished it would change along the years but it never did and after chapt2 it's never going to change but has fuelled more hatred towards jm and jk together is all.

It might be my timeline. I follow Jikook and that one famous Jimin dance accounts so my "For You" page actually has a surprising number of Jimin solos. But I'm not fully convinced about your point. The members do not all get the same attention. ML and Yoongi get more support and enthusiasm for sure. People are not mass buying and streaming at the same level. Obviously, the most popular members have stronger solo fanbases, but even ot7 Armys are biased and there is a lot more enthusiasm for releases Armys know can break records vs. those that have no shot.

About underestimating Jimin, you're right, because his fanbase (solos + Jimin biased) is much stronger than I thought. But I disagree with some of your points. It's natural that Armys didn't expect that #1, but they moved fast when they realized there was a shot. They wouldn't have aimed for a #1 with JK either had he released Golden first. And after Face did so well, it's also kind of natural to expect that Golden and Layover could do better, because the fandom generally improves and achieves more with each win (at least for ml). Golden did do better than Face and Layover did pretty well for that kind of album tbh. The company also more or less improves with each cb.

But thanks for sharing your opinion. I still don't know what's real or not because it depends a lot on what you see on Twitter, but it's true that I misjudged the power of a strong solo (+Jimin biased) fanbase.

[stormblessed95]

Exactly storm

Taekookers being nasty af towards Jimin and Jkkrs are very wierd to Tae. I saw many jkkrs here saying they are not same as tkkrs..yes I agree. But, if we look back to 6-7 years before Taekookers were not nasty like this to JM. Slowly all those conspiracy theories piled up + lack of Tkk moments made them Rabid shippers.

Jkkrs are at starting stage. Just a few years before Jkkrs didn't had any problems with tae nor tkk, if anything they were happy when JM made Tkk rekindle their friendship. But now they have some conspiracy theory + lack of Jkk moments which made them to be wierd to Tae. Unlike last year, this year they got brave enough to publicly post it on their main acct. So Maybe after 1-2 years we will see Jkkrs turning to rabit shippers as well.

ALWAYS REMEMBER WE ARE THE OUTSIDERS HERE

None of us know Tae or JM or Jk than they knows each other. I LOVE LOVE LOVE THE HECK OUT OF JM. Even if I find some of tae's behavior wierd regarding Shipping who am I to publicly criticise him when the person I love the most is seen talking to Tae happily ? Now I just used tae's name as an example, we all may have some moments with all members we might not agree with, it natural..but I always look at jimin. If he's fine, I'm fine too.

Tkk came together + Vmin were talking to each other + Jkk had few moments + they all were standing together. So who am I to decide how they should act with their friend ? Who am I to say one is being shady there ? Who am I to say one is using another for FS ?

Also I hope Jkkrs will stop obsessing over tkkrs. None of it will make them stop hating JM, none of will make Vminkook hate each other, none of it makes a ship more real. Just report and block, more you spend energy on them, more you get done with everything. Just sit back and enjoy their music and bonds. It's so easy and make Fandom experience 10x better.

.... I mean yes. But like, where were essays like this one 2 from everyone on anon (to me or literally to anyone else) when I said literally the exact same thing basically, said I would block people for anti behavior, and was therefore attacked. Called a bad/fake "jikooker" and army? Yeah... idk. 1 to 2 years? Yeah, I think you should move that timeline WAYYY up honestly. I said a few months ago if things don't start getting called out, if things don't start changing, the jikooker community will be heading down the same direction tkkrs did. I said 2 months ago that people asked how tkkrs got as bad as they did and what happened there. That they have their answer and are witnessing it happen to jikookers in real time now. I stand by that. That's what happening here now. And if it continues down this direction.... it will just get worse until jikookers ARE exactly like tkkrs. Just like I used to try defending against by all the anti shippers who used to say that. It's a dark path jikookers are standing at the start of. If they ignore the warning signs and continue to walk it anyway, we all know where it's going. Or we should by now. I want no part of it any longer. I tried, I was attacked horribly for WEEKS for my efforts, by "jikookers" people who claimed they "used to love me". 🙄 So now I'm here for BTS and BTS only. And essays like this, after time has passed, after no one felt the need to say anything before this, idk. Idk the word I'm looking for, but it's not pleasing. Even though I AGREE with you for the most part and none of this is directed at you specifically, just everything and everyone in general. Sorry, I just can't bring myself to feel anything other than "yeah, that's what I said a while ago. And look how that turned out." Idk, I'm just down to "I told you so's" which feels petty and not quite accurate of my feelings either. So it is what it is. But I do encourage everyone else to sit on how you are actually feeling about everything more and think about it all for yourselves. Not what I or any other blogger is saying about it. And remember what it is that drew you to BTS for the first place and why you are ARMY. I'm here because I love them as people and I love their music. 💜

[mediapiays]

"Let's take it up with the fic writers and fan artists who portray him as such"

People don't like that account bc she does that too lol. She is fic writer herself but even on her main acct which started this convo she often calls him omega too and has plenty of jikook fetishy tweets. No one making that up so we don't need to pretend it's because she calls him pretty as if most pjms don't do that. It is bc she fetishizes him. Anyone is free to follow who they want but we shouldn't pretend people don't have valid reasons to not like accounts who treat jimin in weird way almost on the daily.

"If you KNOW people overly feminise jimin and continuously overstep boundaries then why are you acting like all these accounts do is call him cunty or pretty? He is in fact both cunty and pretty but the majority of accounts rarely stop there and often use the same images and narratives that antis use. There are many worse fanfic and fanart accounts that I would love to get rid of, and I am grateful that every day that there is not a 300k fan art account showing jm like hla does tkk cause that would be awful."

This is my last post on this topic bc this has been very repetitive and annoying: personally /I/ didn't find anything incriminating against that account and they haven't posted anything fetishy from what I have seen. Unless you can come with evidence then my opinion won't change.