#i just love ranting sm

[supercheesecakemiracle]

Lucy Gray Baird - an innocent victim or a manipulator?

What's your first impression of Lucy Gray?

Do you think she loved Coriolanus in tbosas?

What do you think might have happened to Lucy Gray in the end?

What's your opinion about theories :

1. Greasy Sae as Lucy Gray.

2. Coin as a daughter or relative of Lucy Gray.

Thank you :)

@curiousnonny

Ooooh these are good.

First off, I don't think Lucy Gray thought of herself as an innocent person, she had to kill to survive but she still killed, there's blood on her hands and I don't think she could have ever forgotten that. She's quite innocent and believing of Coriolanus in the books, so I definitely like the movie version of her better. She's not innocent but she is ultimately a good and righteous person, it's in her nature. (I have so many thoughts about nature vs nurture in TBOSAS)

She absolutely loved Coriolanus, thought he he was pure fallen snow among the dirt of the capitol. The thing about snow is that it's pretty at first, but without the perfect environment it turns into dirty sludge. Lucy Gray slowly realised it.

I hope she got away, she dodged the bullets, hid under a bush or something, and then just ran and ran and ran, far from the capitol, from district 12 and 13, from panem. She lived with the trees, sang with the mocking birds and died peacefully.

Which leads to my opinions on the other theories, that I simply don't really believe them. I don't consider them a satisfying ending for Lucy Gray in any way. She would not have become president Coin, she wouldn't have done those things.

And i think the books are better if she isn't, because it really shows that even when you crush everything into ashes, even if the hope of change, of rebellion, of Lucy Gray is gone, people will still rise from the ashes and fight back, its never gone forever.

Thanks so much for the ask!

[youre-dreaming-302]

You’re Dreaming 302 (ps2) - 2003

[rufflywings]

Bro is literally me while listening to music

[jade-len]

i adore how mxtx sorta flipped the idea on the whole top/bottom thing with svsss, and just BL relationships in general.

making bingqiu very open to switching, not making the "bottom" super feminine and actually leaning more to the handsome side compared to the "top", how luo binghe is manipulative sensitive and cries easily, etc. one of the main themes in svsss is literally about sexuality (and possibly even about gender roles).

as a queer asian man myself, i absolutely despise the "yaoi archetype" and it was one of the reasons why i avoided consuming BL media. hell, years ago when i first saw heavens official blessing, i mentally groaned and went, "ugh, let me guess, the bottom is super feminine and innocent, while the top is masculine and experienced." of course, that's not the case now, but it's disappointing how that thought was there purely because of the god awful way fetish-y media portrays homosexual people and couples. because, believe it or not, we are not assigned male/female typical gender roles just because one likes to top/bottom (and even then, it's not even like that! some people have preferences, sure, but it's not so strictly "i'm top/bottom")

so, while i absolutely LOVE the english novel designs (especially luo binghe's cute curly hair, gongyi xiao, etc, and personally believe a lot of the takes from the western artist on the designs are an improvement), i am greatly saddened by people subconsciously assigning shen qingqiu as someone more delicate and feminine and luo binghe as someone super masculine and muscly. like, if you're going to have luo binghe depicted as the western design (i believe this stems from binghe being applied to more western ideals for men, and, admittedly, i actually really love his design), at least don't make shen qingqiu feminine and delicate? don't have his appearance play into the stupid yaoi thing?

i get that people have different takes on svsss, especially how the western version depicts it. but, people just... seem to very over exaggerate the top/bottom roles when it comes to bingqiu (again, these two are, canonically, VERY open to switching).

it's weird, it's uncomfortable, and it comes across as, "so, who wears the pants in the relationship?"

so, can we please have more canonically handsome shen qingqiu? canonically beautiful and pretty boy luo binghe (they literallly state that binghe looks EXACTLY like his mom, su xiyan! while a more handsome woman, is still very beautiful!! plus it is stated several times that binghe is slim, and that shang qinghua made him that way!) or at the very least, a BL couple who actually look like normal people (ok thats a little hard considering binghe is literally supposed to be perfect) and not just a stupid fetishized version of themselves.

and no, i'm not saying that queer men shouldn't be feminine or men who are feminine shouldn't be in a relationship with guys who are masculine, etc.

TLDR: please stop twinkifying shen qingqiu and going against what mxtx defied for us queer men (the stupid yaoi roles). and for the love of whoever you believe in, do NOT think that i hate the english design or people's personal interpretation of characters, i just hate the subconscious assigning of gender roles to bingqiu and how media portrays and fetishizes LGBTQ+ relationships in general.

edit: also i love teardrew's (check them out on twitter!) interpretation of shang qinghua. while i do really like the the eng novel design's tiny scared hamster vibes, teardrew's version just radiates "up to no good, paranoid but suspicious looking bitch" rat man and i love it so so so much. i'm not gonna repost their art bc i don't know how they feel about that but perhaps you can search up "svsss designs" on here, you'll see it pop up eventually lol.

edit 2 (1/16): i just saw someone reblog a post (that im pretty sure was referring to this one because, well, if you saw it i think it'd be a little clear kahxj) that was about how bingqiu switching and completely eschewing traditional top/bottom dynamics was a fandom idea or smth? so now i'm wondering, since i swear i remember that they were open to switching, but it's just that sqq preferred to bottom and/or was just a little too lazy to top. plus, sqq is a pretty unreliable narrator who says he doesn't want something one moment and then he does. how could he say no to bingbing? esp if he seems to wanna try bottoming too. perhaps i'm mixing things up though, idk? so if anyone can find that passage that says he only and strictly wants to bottom or whatever please show me! but i think the point of this post still stands haha (i wanted to ask about it, actually, but when i clicked on the og post's user it turned out that they blocked me ? so that was a little surprising oops. hey if ur somehow reading this, im... sorry for making you want to block me bc of this post? akdhxjj)

[milkamel]

I think that Killer and Cross should kiss,,

Like- just a sudden thought. An honest opinion.

Idk why I'm posting this I feel a little silly

(If anyone has any headcanons about them or something like that I'd love to hear them- like idk in the comments or the ask- I'm so bad at talking to people it's so scary and nervewracking but I really want to fkgjfkj-)

[vaidehi-raghunatha]

Just a photo dump from my 1 week vrindavan trip :D

[dindjarindiaries]

At this point I have to think that it would literally kill Lucasfilm to talk about Din Djarin because why hasn't this character's name left their mouths in MONTHS

[sugawhaaa]

Okay so this is really random but I need to say it.

Everytime I listen to stray kids or see stray kids together I just think yk skz isn't skz without all 8 members. Every member is so important to the group and ppl may say certain members are replaceable but I disagree. Skz aren't skz without Chan, Lee know, changbin, hyunjin, Felix, Han, seungmin and I.N, yk what I mean?

I may not post a lot for certain members, which is for other reasons I'm not gonna get into rn, but just skz are so special, each and every one.

[vibescornerr]

Me watching mha/bnha like “ew whos this old man on my screen, someone make him shut up and go back to tomura.” I’m so tired of this old wrinkly ass man and his “im so smart” bland villain ass. The story concept of tomura being taken over by AFO is so annoying to me, give me back my fav and stfu you egg head. It’s like william afton and vanny from fnaf all over again. You got your course. Now go. “I always come back.” No. Mf. Fucking stay dead already. You and AFO. LITERALLY NO ONE ASKED. EVERYONES TIRED OF UR BS AND “I WAS ACTUALLY THE VILLAIN ALL ALONG.” LEAVE.

[minh-i]

To Rin, Sae might be the older brother that he looked up to who abandoned him after he came back from Spain. And to some others, Sae might be the guy who came back, abandoned Rin and their dream because he felt that Rin was too 'below' him. But I feel like that might not be the case at all.

Hear me out, Sae came back from Spain looking tired, drained, because he went and 'explored' the real world, he knows that he wasn't as good compared to the real pros.

This kind of tells us why Sae hates the Japanese football team so much. Take Kira for example, like Sae, he was glorified, admired upon as the future of the Japanese football team. But then he, and Sae, both met people with bigger egos, skills and unlike Sae who had the chance to 'improve' in Spain (I'll just say it like that for now cuz there's no Sae backstory yet), Kira got coldly eliminated and was never seen again.

Sae knows that the JFU doesn't really care about football and just wants to make a quick buck, thats why he hates them so much.

Next thing, the relationship of Sae and Rin. We know that they got along really well as kids and suddenly, Sae came back, changed his dream, and abandoned his brother. That's how it is right? But I feel like there's more to it than just that.

Sae's original dream was to become a striker, but when he went to play for Real Madrid that dream was probably crushed as he realized that he is, in fact, not as good as he thought he was. So, instead of being the world's best striker, as someone who's faced reality, he's aiming to be the best middle fielder instead. So he can support his lil bro, side by side with him.

In this panel here, Rin said that Sae said that they'd fight together. And Sae, instead of fulfilling that promise as a striker he's trying to tell Rin that he can be the best striker instead, and that his big bro the 'world's best middle fielder' will be right by his side to give him the support he needs.

But as Rin spoke Sae probably realized how heavily dependent his brother was to him. Rin wasn't playing football for the sake of football or his own passion, Rin was playing football for the sake of being the second best after Sae, playing football because of Sae. I think that's what set Sae off.

If you really look at Sae's eyes here I think you can kinda see that Sae was hurt by the words that Rin said (at least that's what I see -the widened eyes mixed with the heavy eye bags makes it look like Sae is gonna tear up-)

But by now, Sae has realized how dependent his brother's goal was on him and Sae knows that with a half assed goal like that, Rin won't be able to get nowhere in the 'real world'. Like Sae said, and I quote "The soccer field is a battlefield" which means that there is no room to be 2nd best. You either give it your all or give it nothing.

Sae wants Rin to have a goal of his own, if the only reason Rin is playing football is because of him, then Rin won't be able to make it.

In conclusion, as kids, Sae and Rin shared a dream, to be the best and 2nd best striker. But Sae, who has faced the real world and realized how Rin never wanted to be the best and only to be '2nd best after Sae' felt that Rin's resolve is weak and feeble decides to end 'their dream' right then and there.

And for Rin, if he were to keep playing even after Sae shattered their dream, to have his own goal to keep going forward to. Instead of always aiming for 2nd best.

Sae knows that he's just that good now since he's been able to play with world pros and have improved massively. So if Rin were able to beat him in a one on one, it'd mean that Rin would have enough potential to make it even if he'd be aiming for 2nd best, It'd mean that Rin would have enough talent and skill to continue 'dreaming'. But if Rin loses, their shared dream would be over and it'd be time for Rin to figure out his own dream and goal in life. To aim for the top, and to aim to be better than everyone else, which ultimately means for Rin to be able to overcome himself and aim to be better than he already is. Rin aiming for 2nd will not give him the same result because he's aiming to be good but you'd never overcome his mental barrier of 'not aiming to be the best' and it'd stop him from being able to evolve further (if you know what I mean?)

In this panel, you can see Rin calling Sae 'big brother' even though previously, Rin wanted no mention of Sae being related to him. Which shows that Rin is still attached to Sae and that Rin's only goal really, even though he said was to overcome his brother, was probably to be able to get his brother's approval rather than to actually become better than him.

I swear, if Sae had admitted to him being proud of Rin (which I wished happened) Rin might've lost his goal, which is to overcome and beat Sae, and gone back to his 'lukewarm self'. But because Sae chose to compliment Rin's rival/Isagi instead of him it made Rin's hatred for Sae and Isagi grow even more. In the end, as shown in chap 269 and in the U20 game, if Rin remembers the 'unpleasant memories' of him and Sae (+ the restriction Isagi brings) it manages to bring out his ego and further evolve him.

So I guess in the end, even though I'd very much love for them to reconcile, this is probably the better decision for Rin's football career (I still rlly want them to make up with each other, the sibling angst is getting to me).

I was rereading blue lock and this is just my own interpretation of these scenes. I don't know how accurate this is but this is how I see it. Also, I didn't proof read, this is just a rant because Itoshi brothers lore is sad. I probably repeated a lot of words so apologies for that.

[ghostlyvines]

So, I got hyperfixated on Arcane (on Vi, mostly) and I have been writing some thoughts down on her different stages on season 2. This is a surface level break down on aspects of her character that I spent too much time thinking about. I'm pretty sure other people have already said the same things I have on here but regardless I still want to share. Also this is an extremely long post, sorry.

TW: I talk about passive suicidal ideation on here, if this is something that triggers you, please don't read. I will be adding a divider for when that part comes up.

Enforcer Vi:

Vi becoming an enforcer definitely came from her guilt over what happened to Cait's mom. Due to Vi's sense of responsibility, I think that she felt like she owed it to Cait to do this, even if she personally didn't like it. I don't think that Vi agreed with what they were doing down there (like releasing the Gray). I think she felt like this was the only way to make things right and to start making up for what had happened.

I don't think she was ever going to kill Jinx. I also don't think she would've allowed Cait to do it either, no matter how hard she tried to convince herself that her sister was gone; that there were no traces of Powder anymore and that she needed to do this to protect the version of her sister that she remembered and held so dearly. Even if Isha hadn't been there, I genuinely don't think that Vi would've gone through with it.

Her sister has been her reason to fight, to be brave and courageous; her reason to dare to hope for a future in which Zaun is actually better. She wouldn't have let any more harm come to her, not more than what she already thinks she has done. But because her sister was responsible for what happened to Cait's mom, and Vi feels like she's responsible for what happened to Jinx, she feels like that also means that she is responsible for the attack.

If she continues on being an enforcer, I think it has less to do with her changing her mind about what they represent and more so about her being lost (since she thinks her sister is dead). She's looking for a purpose, something to fight for. And while she is content with Cait and she will fight for her (like she does for everyone she loves) I think that she lost her main reason to fight, and while she will continue to fight, her heart will no longer fully be in it.

Pit-Fighter Vi:

As for pit fighter Vi, we know she did so to punish herself for everything. Vi is a fighter but she's led by her heart and her emotions. This means that after everything that happened with Cait, it snapped something in her. All those years in Stillwater, while torturous, she remained determined to persevere in the hopes of reuniting with her sister one day. Once out, her sole focus was making that reunion with her sister happen (we all saw how that went). Everything that led up to that moment with Cait, was building up inside.

I think that Vi is a character who, while openly emotional and loving, buries her feelings deep down inside. While she's vulnerable, she's not fully open about her past or her trauma. Choosing instead to prioritize those who she cares about who she deems are in more need than her.

I think this is a consequence of her being a parentified child. She was forced to take care of her sister at a very young age. She was never fully able to process the loss of her parents because she had Powder to look out and care for. Powder who needed love, nurturing, and attention. She was more important to Vi than herself. So, she buried her grief deep inside. One could also argue that her grief took the shape of anger, aggression, and impulsivity but that's a conversation for some other time.

What happens to Powder later on is also a source of pain for Vi. She feels like she's the reason that Silco was able to get his hands on Powder and therefore she's responsible for how Powder turned out. She's the reason Powder had those vulnerabilities, those abandonment issues, that desire to be loved and appreciated. This was yet another heartache she had to bury in order to do what she thought needed to be done (aka become an enforcer).

She, however, couldn't go through with it so she stopped Cait from killing Jinx. This was a betrayal in Cait's eyes. I feel like in this moment Vi felt like she failed yet another person who she cared about while at the same time failing herself and her beliefs and values. She gassed her city, fought her sister, almost got a child killed in the cross fire, became the very thing she hated, she's choosing wrong. She's losing everything and everyone she loves.

Every painful memory comes back to her with just as much force as Cait's rifle to her side. All these emotions are overwhelming and loud; so she does the one thing that always calmed the noise. She fights. She gets beat up and she beats others up.

She feels useless, empty but at least she's doing something. She drowns in alcohol to attempt to grasp even a drop of happiness that she hasn't truly felt in years. Maybe its an attempt to numb all the overwhelming feelings that seem to be pulling her under.

When she loses a fight she can't help but feel a bit glad, she's getting what she thinks she deserves after all. And who cares if she's so drunk she can't tell what's real anymore? At least she's not thinking about all the ways she has fucked up.

Commune Vi:

When Jinx tells her that Vander is alive, she doesn't believe it. However, she goes along with the ride because there's really nothing to lose anymore. Seeing her sister interact with Isha, brings back memories of a younger version of herself and Powder. Seeing those interactions also allows for Vi to humanize her sister, to realize that her sister was still in there, still capable of care and compassion.

This also helps her realize that Jinx no longer needs protection or to be sheltered from the harsh reality (she has already lived the full experience of shitty). This is the moment that allows her to view Jinx as an equal. Once they get to Viktor's Commune, she asks for Jinx' opinions. She asks about her thoughts and what she wants to do. She speaks to her as a team and not a liability.

She even lets Jinx in on the plan that she made with Cait in order to free Vander. Mind you, she doesn't tell Cait about Jinx. This to me shows that Vi trusts Jinx enough to not make the same mistake and to instead trust that her sister has her back and is capable of making the correct choices when given the opportunity to do so.

Getting Vander back and starting to reconcile with Jinx, starts giving Vi a sense of purpose. She, once again, has people to fight for. She has something to look forward to (a family). This provides some hope for the future.

Passive suicidal ideation:

Passive suicidal ideation is defined as "feelings and thoughts about wanting to die, though without actual planning".

In this section I will be focusing on 6 of the symptoms in regards to Vi: risky behavior, heightened agitation, increased withdraw and isolation, uncontrollable drug or alcohol habits, preoccupation with death or violence, and intolerable emotional pain (particularly intense shame and guilt).

Let's start with the first point: risky behavior. While Vi was in Stillwater she would partake in a lot of risky behaviors that would end up with her getting punished. These risky behaviors were along the lines of starting fights with men who were older, stronger, and bigger than her. Other risky behaviors were: having weapons in her cell and attempting to escape. All these behaviors led to her getting beat with socks filled with nails, spiked brass knuckles, and even blades. The reason for this behavior? Finding out if her sister was still alive and if Silco had her.

As for the risky behaviors we see displayed in her time as pitfighter, well aside from the obvious, there's her overuse of alcohol. She gets so drunk that she passes out at the bottom of the stairs, leaving herself vulnerable for any eventuality. Not to mention that her getting beat up continuously means that she probably gets severe injuries that she doesn't treat correctly or at all (possibly leading to infections and further damage to her body).

Now that we have that covered, let's move on to the next point: heightened agitation. We see many examples through both seasons that demonstrate this kind of behavior. Her agitation toward Ekko and Sevika when they mention how much Powder has changed. Her jumping into a fight with Sevika and almost dying both times. Her choking Jinx after being told that Vander is still alive. Her starting an argument and tempting Jinx into a fight when they are in the mines. These are just a few examples at the top of my head. These show how agitated and upset she gets when situations shift suddenly.

This of course could be a trauma response to what she experienced at Stillwater. This could be due to her lacking the ability to really regulate her emotions since a majority of her time was spent in survival mode. But this behavior does lead her to the risky behaviors that we discussed on the bullet points before.

Increased withdraw and isolation: while she was a pitfighter she didn't have anyone, truly. Her sister was gone, off to God knows where. Cait had left her in the ventilation system alone and crying on the floor. What was she supposed to do now that she had betrayed her sister, her lover, and most importantly herself?? Easy, drink and fight. I already discussed both these points so I'll focus on the one person she did have, Loris.

Through her self destructive time as an underground fighter, Vi had one constant and that was Loris. Loris stuck by Vi like a loyal friend. He watched her back, watched her fights, and joined in on the drinking and partying. Right up until things got out of hand. Vi wasn't a fun drunk and more of an irritable one. We see one of the times of Loris taking her back to her apartment; we see how she pushes him away roughly and how she starts yelling at him. We don't know what she says to him but due to the fact that we don't see them interact again until the war, one can assume that what she said wasn't kind leading him to leave her alone (just how she wanted).

Her wanting to be alone and wallow on her guilt and shame is also a reason as to why she reacted so aggressively when Jinx appeared at her place.

This is also demonstrated when they are walking through the mines and Vi essentially starts an argument by saying "when are you going to admit that this is just another one of your delusions?". This leads to a physical altercation that ends with Isha getting hurt in the process. Isha getting hurt is what brings Vi back to the present moment, allowing them to continue forth with the journey.

I also think that seeing Isha getting hurt, brought back memories for Vi. Memories of her and Powder when they were younger, the good and the bad. The bad being the last time she saw her sister before being taken away to Stillwater. This brings back intense feelings of guilt and shame, which might be part of the reason that she says "why did you even come get me? you don't need my help, you haven't for a while."

Seeing Jinx now, and how capable she is, solidifies for Vi that she's no longer needed. She no longer needs to protect or shelter her sister from the monsters all around them. Her one reason to continue fighting, no longer needed her. This reaffirms that she has no purpose.

Now let's circle back to intense feelings of shame or guilt like I mentioned on the bulletpoint before, Vi accidentally hitting Isha and the follow up interaction between her and Jinx, probably brought the memory of her last interaction with Powder.

As we all know, her last interaction with Powder was after Vander died. In a moment of immense grief and anger, Vi slapped Powder and called her a jinx. Once she realized what she had done, she stared at her hand in horror and proceeded to walk away to presumably collect herself and calm down before facing her sister once more. However, before she could return to her sister (after spotting Silco coming toward her) she was taken to Stillwater.

Vi clearly regrets having done what she did. She has an intense desire to make up for it once she reunites with Jinx but they never really get the chance to actually talk. Would talking take away all the pain and all the damage? Would it make Jinx return back to who she used to be? No, of course not. But that didn't mean that Vi wasn't willing to still attempt to make up for it.

I think that seeing how Jinx went to Isha and provided comfort made her wish she would've done the same during that time. I think she wishes that instead of walking away, she would've stayed, apologized and figured where to go from there.

I think that when it comes to her sister, Vi will never fully let go of the guilt she feels over what happened. Especially now that she thinks Jinx is dead.

I will even go as far as to say that she never truly blamed Powder for the deaths of their family. I think she lashed out at her out of intense shame and guilt over dragging everyone to this point. By that I mean, that from Vi's perspective she has internalized everything that happened. If she hadn't tried to give herself up, Vander wouldn't have gone after her which would in turn mean that Silco wouldn't have taken him. This would've meant that she wouldn't have had to go find him, wouldn't have allowed Mylo or Claggor to go with her and wouldn't have left Powder alone because there would've been no reason to leave, no danger. This is, of course, misguided. Whose to say these things wouldn't have happened regardless? No one can truly know, but I think this is Vi's way of viewing the events that lead to her family dying.

Lastly preoccupation with death or violence. Vi is someone who is constantly preoccupied with death and someone who was raised around it as well as around violence. However, this isn't in regards to herself. Her preoccupation is in regards to her loved ones dying or getting hurt.

A majority of the times that we see Vi in a fight, she doesn't think twice. She goes in and doesn't really care or consider whether or not she'll come out of there alive. Her main drive is on making sure that those she cares about have safety and if that means dying in the fight, so be it.

At the end of the day, Vi's big heart and sense of responsibility is her biggest undoing. She never really ends up making her decisions based on her wants and more so makes them on the basis of what others need. This leaves her to completely disregard herself and her needs for the sake of other people.

What also confirms that she was passively suicidal are the lyrics of the song that plays during her montage as pitfighter. Maybe I'll go over that in another post. I've ranted enough as is lol.

[kitfizzo]

The "this number is.." is a reference to idksterling.. theres nothing nsfw on here its all just innocent kissies and cuddles i promise 🙏

Ughhhh I'm waaayyy too autistic and depressed rn to say anythingg... ive got choir district on Saturday and its really stressing me out so im bringing my X plush for an extra friend to support me... autism who?

Also a stupid vent under the more lolol its funny if you need a laugh i guess

Someone on Pinterest saw my gore art and was like.. "dni" I GAVE A TRIGGER WARNING WHY DID YOU GO TO THE COMMENTS- and then on the htwins discord server i posted some adorable 4x art i got eight 🔥 reactions BUT SOME KID PUT A ROLLING EYES EMOJI- BROOOOOOOO THEY WERE JUST GIVING EACH OTHER A FLOWER WHY U HATTING 😭😭😭☹️😨❤️😭⁉️❤️☹️❤️🔥🤭🗣️❤️✌️🩸🙏❤️🗣️❤️❤️🤭 I SWEAR OSC KIDS ARE SO MEAN FR ☹️

[gradient-jeremy-asks]

I didn’t mean to draw sm 💀

[clara-licht]

I spent the last few nights reading multiple bakudeku fics and this page just

it made me wailed as I clutched my phone to my chest

seriously. I actually did that.

[imnotcommitedtothis]

stupid pointless reddit rant

but basically there was this one post about which td character is the most "spoiled" and Heather was there (which she's literally NOT, bratty? entitled? yes sure, but not spoiled)

and someone said something along the lines of "Heather now has Al to keep her in check"

first of all, that's an icky and borderline misogynistic thing to say about a female character? that she needs a man to "keep her in check"..? like I can't even explain how much that wording personally icks me....? but I hope you guys understand my point

besides. of all the characters you pick. YOU PICK ALEJANDRO??? that's her number #1 defender,supporter and enabler!

like you think he would try and keep her contained? change her? hell no,she could yell at someone over some stupid stuff and he'd be like with heart eyes thinking about how he's gonna marry her

I get it, all stars sucks and we don't want to watch but he's literally freaked out but she tries to act nice and unlike herself, he would let her rule the world if he could?? he'd be the one spoiling her pls be serious??

[munsons-mutiny]

Let’s talk about the Watch What Happens (reprise) and why Only Davey could’ve sang it.

Like at this point they’re pushing the Katherine and Jack agenda, why shouldn’t she be his inspiration to keep going in this moment???

And the answer is cause she can’t grasp the situation fully!!!

Let me make it very clear that this is Not Katherine slander. I love her. I think this scene highlights the differences in their struggles and upbringing in a really brilliant way.

When she sees Jack wants to quit in this scene she’s so harsh with him. Doesn’t try to empathize with his situation at all, wants him to just buck up and keep going! Because for her, in her situation, with her upbringing, that’s the only way to get anywhere! She wants to be a reporter? Well she can’t listen when she’s told no. She has to push ahead no matter what. She can’t show fear and she can’t show weakness cause she’ll be called a girl like it’s a bad thing and have it used against her. But she doesn’t see her privilege in this! That in coming from a rich powerful family her physical safety can not be put in jeopardy! Her worst case scenario is moving back home and having to deal with her family’s idea of what it means to be a women in this time period. And don’t get me wrong that’s horrible, it would be a terrible and unfair outcome.

But it doesn’t threaten her physical safety!! (Not to say this is true for all women in her position but the show paints a picture that her dad does genuinely love her in his extremely misguided way and we never see him threaten her physical well being or even to stop bank rolling her). She can’t understand that sometimes you need to let a fight pass you by to survive. She doesn’t understand what it really means for Crutchie to be in the Refuge until later. So she pushes hard and it would’ve just ended in a fight where her and Jack miss each other’s points entirely.

But Davey gets it. Maybe not to the extent Jack does, but Jack said it himself Davey’s dads physical safety being jeopardized at work has threatened his whole family’s housing and food security. Something that could’ve been prevented with a union. He knows that this isn’t safe, he fully grasps the danger they’re in, to an extent that Katherine can’t because she’s never threatened by it. Not really. For her and her rich friends she involves this could just be a pet project (she would never view it that way of course) but if this all goes pear shaped all she has to live with is the guilt not the consequences. Her life continues with maybe some delays depending how long her blacklisting lasts.

But for Davey this could be the choice that means they can’t afford food or can’t pay rent. This could be the choice that means Les can’t go to school and his dad doesn’t have a safe place to recover. He gets it, he matches Jack’s fear, but he can’t backdown when they’re making real changes that Jack is having a hard time seeing in the wake of losing Crutchie to an institution that is a large source of his trauma. He needed empathy and hope not an ass kicking and Davey delivered.

Without him that scene would’ve ended with Jack running away a lot sooner and a lot more permanently. Rant over. Hopefully this is semi-well articulated it’s late and I couldn’t sleep til I got this out.