#i don't like the white fancasts either

[jewishcissiekj]

people wondering why there are white fancasts for Omega on twitter is kinda funny to me. my brother in christ this is the whitewashed clones show there's gonna be white fancasts

[necrotic-nephilim]

@profandomhopper i was going to reblog the original post this comment was left on but i felt it divorced itself from the original topic so much, you get your own post for giving me delightful permission to ramble about this. buckle in people this is long.

so, DC is a big fandom that expanses a lot of different types of content, and like anything, is subject to crossovers. the obvious ones like Marvel are for the reason of being a similar and equally popular superhero world, so it's easy to transpose the worlds onto each other and overlap the characters. both of these worlds deal with multiverses and endless, endless heroes. it makes sense and there's no real stretch to think Batman and Spider-Man could co-exist. i mean, there have been canon crossover comics. and even some more random crossovers like White Collar have pretty easy to trace origins, being an actor in WC was a popular Dick fancast back in the day so there was some bleeding over that led to a well-loved niche crossover space.

but Danny Phantom and Miraculous Ladybug are where it gets interesting. because at a surface, MLB sort of makes sense. it's a superhero world, you're following a teen girl superhero and sure the mechanics are pretty contained, but the crossover should make sense. but when you compare it to the crossover numbers of other superhero media like say My Hero Academia, Ladybug takes the *crown* with such a bizarre popularity. and of course, DP feels like it makes even less sense. sure, you *could* lump it into at the very least, superhero-adjacent media, but it's not a true hero world like MLB or DC is.

but, the thing to always understand about DC, *especially* the Batfamily (which is where the crossover content propagates the most) is this: a *very* good chunk of fans don't interact with the comics. i would venture to say even most Batfamily fans don't read the comics and actively talk about it. we've all read a very fandom big Batfam fanfic where the author's note mentions the writer has never touched a comic in their life. typically, these fans are either cobbling together their understanding from fandom content, or by frankensteining unrelated DC adaptations to understand each character. you take Bruce from Batman: TAS, you take Dick from the animated Young Justice, you take Jason from Batman: Under The Red Hood animated movie, you take Damian from the DCAMU Batman vs Robin, and you read some fandom metas to fill in the rest and well, you've got some sort of an understanding of these characters. read enough incorrect quotes, some genfic, a couple of character metas, and boom, you understand the Batfamily fandom enough to start creating your own content. and of course now. now you have Wayne Family Adventures so it's even *easier*. a pretty easy to pick up webtoon that's filling in all the gaps for you. but i've been in this fandom long enough to remember before we had WFA and even then, this was still a common, if not the most popular way, to ween yourself into the DC fandom space. you cherry-picked the canon you liked and then plunged into the depths of fanon.

i'm not here to make in depth commentary on if i think this is a good or bad thing. trust me i have that commentary in my head, but that would need it's own post. i'm very split on it and my feelings are complicated. my feelings on WFA are even *more* complicated. because oftentimes, the attitude expressed by these fans who are frankensteining this version of the Batfamily/DC world they have in their head is they don't *want* to read the comics. the comics don't contain the content they're after. and to an extent, i understand that. if you're looking for light-hearted vibes of the Batfamily all getting along and having the occasional hurt/comfort moments but in the end, they hug and make up, you're right. largely, you won't find that in canon. of course there are so many comics to recommend for Batfamily interactions, but you have to get specific. you'll find them interacting in small groups, Tim and Dick bonding here, Duke and Cass bonding there, but largely, the comics don't care to balance the ridiculously large cast they've given themselves. but fandom does. it's easy to toss them all in a blender and ignore the parts you don't like. the default argument to ignoring the comics or writing something OOC is always "well the comics are OOC and inconsistent too" which, while a flawed argument that massively misunderstand how comics work as a medium, isn't an entirely incorrect one. you could serve on a silver platter to these fans, an easy and accessible way to get into comics and they wouldn't be interested. it's not what they're here for. fandom is always character-driven above all else. it's driven by character relationships and dynamics. if someone wants to consume content where Tim idolized and stalked Jason as 'his Robin' and now is trying to help him rehabilitate and they're super complicated but have this long epic forgiveness arc, why *would* they read the comics? because they're sure as shit not going to find that dynamic in the comics. it's laughably OOC and not canon at all, but that doesn't matter. what matters is the sandbox. most Batfamily fans care *far* more about the sandbox canon gives them than the actual canon itself. feel how you feel about that, this really isn't being negative toward that attitude, but it is a common attitude.

so, you have Batfamily fans playing in the sandbox and building their own narrative. common fandom headcanons are so common, you could practically write a guide on how the fanon Batfamily works with how consistent people are about it. or you could just read WFA, which is practically the new manifesto of it. even now, with this sudden spike in people talking about canon accuracy and "actually this happening in the comics", they don't actually care about the comics, just what they can cherry-pick for fodder. (even if they rob it of so much context they're just as OOC as they were before. see specifically: the recent phenomena with Tim Drake going from the woobified weakest member of the Batfam who everyone needs to save constantly and he's the smart boy but he's also the one with a sad tragic neglectful past who gets overlooked being the way Batfamily fandom played with Tim for years. but recently, people seem to be pushing this idea of a ridiculously badass Tim, Tim who *totally* has a kill count because of his actions in RR (2009) if you take them completely out of context, Tim who bested Ra's and is even more badass than Jason and he's the 17 yr old CEO of Wayne Industries being cool and flawless it becoming the new fandom zeitgeist. neither of these versions of Tim are canon, and the second fundamentally misunderstands his arc in RR (2009) but the shift has undeniably happened and it's been fascinating to watch. the same thing happened with people suddenly deciding Jason isn't the "angry violent Robin", he was a sunshine sweet boy who was perfect as Robin. neither of these are true, but the second feels more transgressive and new to fandom from cherry-picked panels.) the point is largely, Batfamily fans would rather build their own canon than play with the actual canon.

and then, you have Danny Phantom. i'm not into DP and have no interest to get into it, but what i know about it via fandom osmosis is this: DP fans sort of also don't give a fuck about canon. once again, the canon of DP is a sandbox, not a rulebook. the concepts and the characters are the draw, not the plot itself. i've seen DP posts explaining characters who are essentially OCs, but have become so dominant in the fandom via fandom osmosis. there are concepts and ideas about how Danny's powers work and potential concepts with his ghost nature that either aren't in canon or only happened once in canon and fans decided to expand on that and doesn't care about it's own in-universe logic. i've seen a lot of DP fans also express they haven't seen the show and they don't have plans to see the show. because the show is just some children's cartoon with some inconsistencies and a simple plot, as you'd expect from CN. the show isn't the point. no one cares about it's plot, they care about it's characters. they care about pushing the concept of half ghost boy to a logical extreme and seeing what you can get out of that. can you make it weird and fucked up. how much can you highlight on his trauma and body horror. what identity crisis can you give him and how can you build his interactions with other characters in his world around that and also make those characters fun and unique on their own. sure, the skeleton of canon is there, but the meat lies all in the fanon.

Miraculous Ladybug also exists in this similar vein. the characters, the concepts, those hold intrigue. and not even mentioning the fact the original concept for this show was supposed to be aimed to an older audience, so you can see the bones of something a bit more mature and nuanced under this typical, villain of the week magical girl transformation show. the show itself is a bit shallow and that's not a *bad* thing, it's just the medium it exists within being aimed towards children. but the concepts of a teen girl who's basically a sort of chosen one, a boy who doesn't know his father is the big bad of the show, and their weird identity porn love... square thing. those dynamics are *so* complicated and such a fun sandbox to play in with character-driven fandom.

so, at the core, you have three fandoms that care more about the culturally accepted fanon than the canon, with a good chunk of people often not even consuming the original canon content. and well, DC is an *easy* world to transpose just about anything onto. a boy who's half ghost and fighting supernatural threats? that makes sense, DC has ghost heroes like Deadman already. a girl who has this magical item that gives her animal themed superpowers? i mean that's practically the same thing as Vixen's Totem so that one makes sense too. they fit in pretty easy, no needing to change the world to accommodate them. and of course, if you're a fan of *one* fandom where you don't care for the canon content and only like the fandom sandbox, chances are, you'll get drawn in pretty easily to another fandom with similar mechanics. if you can teach yourself the DP fandom rules/concepts, you can teach yourself the Batfamily fandom rules/concepts. and well, since there's so much crossover in fandom members, why not write the fanfiction? crossover fics will always exist, but with such a shared member base, you have a really big boom.

it's why the characters you see DP interact with in DC are *always* characters who are far more driven by fanon than canon. Danny and John Constantine is a *massive* concept. for people who don't read Hellblazer comics. my poor partner, @divine-dominion has lamented to me pretty often about finding DP content in the Hellblazer tag that is essentially turning Constantine into an OC. because whatever version of Constantine is being written about isn't one bit comics accurate, and really, isn't trying to be. and the same thing happens with Shazam. you watch Young Justice and understand him well enough, you get drawn in by the character concept that you just run with it. people put their favorite blorbos in the same place because hey, wouldn't ghost boy be pretty cool in a city like *Gotham*. how would Batman even react to him. and then, the shipping. because ages for the Batfamily can be easily hand-waved and moved around based on where you plop Danny into the timeline, you have your pick of the litter with him, and same with Ladybug. of course there are the most popular ships but largely, the world is your oyster.

i don't think this is the worst thing in the world for either fandom. it's not hard to filter out the crossover tags and scroll past content i don't like. and sure, i see the appeal of making your blorbos from two different places meet. i've got my drafts *full* of DC/MHA crossover ideas because well, i like them both and think that would be cool. i think my only gripe with it is when DP or MLB crossover content seeps it's way into the wrong tags. using the above example, if you're writing about Danny and Constantine but there's zero content of the actual Hellblazer comics, i don't think you need the Hellblazer tag, just the Constantine character tag. tbh i wish this extended onto Ao3 and people utilized fandom tags better. if you're writing Batfamily fanfiction that is very clearly and obviously WFA driven in characterization and concepts, i would far prefer those fics be tagged with the WFA fandom tag rather than the Batman (comics) fandom tag. because well, you're not writing about the Batman comics. and there's nothing wrong with that, but it helps if you don't confuse yourself for content striving to interact with canon more. (this especially extends to Young Justice, by the way. if you're writing for the Young Justice tv show please, please stop using the Young Justice (comics) fandom tag. i'm at my wit's end- /lh)

the whole thing is fascinating. i've got zero interest in entering DP or MLB as fandoms because that's not my speed, but witnessing it as an outsider is my favorite pastime. i see a *lot* of posts going around the DC x DP space that are helping explain to people who's who, what's what, and understanding the canon/fanon of both of these properties so others can better enter the space. which is not something you'd need in a fandom driven only by it's canon content, but it is sweet watching others try to help newbies enter the space. it's a very inviting fandom space, i think, whether you lament it's existence or not. they're just sitting in their corner with their blorbos, and i gotta respect that. the posts explaining the Batfamily to DP fans are always fun for me to read, even if i disagree with some of the characterizations in them because it helps shine a light on what the fans of this crossover regard as "important" enough about each fandom to be worth including those sorts of primers. very fascinating stuff.

[wanderingmind867]

I was tempted to have Christopher Lee play Ra's Al Ghul for my Batman 1966 fancast, but I was worried about it being whitewashing. It's not like it'd be uncommon, since Batman 1966 did also feature Edward Everett Horton (a white comedian) playing a native american. But still, it's the principle of the thing. It feels wrong for an arabic character to be played by a white british man. At least my choice of Ricardo Montalban was Mexican. And like, that's not arabic either, but it's better than caucasian. At least I can see a mexican actor posing for a middle easterner. And I know neither option seems ideal, but I just needed to explain myself here. Because i've heard rumours Christopher Lee even inspired Ra's al Ghul, but still. I'm not having a white actor do a middle easterner. At least their skin should be tan enough so that we don't need to go into makeup. Because that's when things can get very messed up.

And I think Ricardo Montalban could also pull off Ra's al Ghul. He has a pretty good voice, and I think it'd work for the head of an assassin's guild. If he could pull off star trek, fantasy island, and even voice acting on stuff like kim possible late in life, then he could probably pull off a role like Ra's al Ghul. But that's just my opinion.

[fantaxzia]

The people who are crying 'racism' and 'bigotry' over Elain with wings are the same weirdos who were up in arms about mermaid Elain fanarts (because apparently that's only for Gwyn).

Because obviously having wings means she's Illyrian now, the same way Feyre was?

Feyre didn't become Illyrian just because she could grow wings. Elain wouldn't either.

Moreover it's just a fanart. Artists have creative freedom to make art.

And if they have problems with Feyre having wings too, and if they think the author is bigoted or zionist or whatever hateful buzz word they want to plaster onto her, then why are they even in the fandom? Why are they adding to her fandom if they hate her so much? Why so invested?

It's because of such people that artists stop making fanarts or engaging with the fandom. They throttle everyone's creative spirit by their bullying and virtue signalling.

This comes from a POC (me) who's had enough of this bs virtue signalling. These people have no issues fancasting their fave white boys as Illyrians but they cry about race when it's something they don't like.

I say cry harder and be upset about Elain with wings, makes no difference. I and others will support this artist.

[1800naveen]

Fancasting.

Me when I see mfs fancasting Henry Cavill to play Rhysand (leave that white man alone😭):

I was scrolling through reels a couple of weeks ago and saw this lady doing a interview with him and she mentioned that he's "popular" as a fancast when it comes to booktok and apparently, he knows it and doesn't see to mind it? (I'm trying my best to recall it so bear with me)

He has good book recommendations (saw this Tik Tok of him talking about Brandon Sanderson so I can trust him on that, heard nothing but praise when it comes to Brandon) and I doubt that Sarah is a genre for him. Anyone can read what they want but he doesn't give that vibe to me, y'know? I could be wrong but eh.

He's also a smart guy and seems to have critical thinking. So imagine if he decided to pick up Acotar, reads the first book, and go "what the fuck? And people root for this guy?" Just to find out that he's a popular fancast for Rhysand.

What's the chokehold this man has on booktok? I can't lie because he got me in one to (he can literally choke me- I'm sorry y'all)

I've seen fancasting him for Rowan Whitethorn in Throne of Glass which I don't mind but what I do mind is when PEOPLE TAKE GERALT AND CIRI TO FANCAST AS ROWAN AND AELIN!

YOU HEARD THAT RIGHT, LADIES AND GENTS. @viktoriaashleyyx I don't know if you're aware of it but if you are now, sorry you had to find out this way🙏🏾

THE GIANT ASS AGE GAP BETWEEN ROWAELIN IS WILD BUT AT LEAST, THEY'RE BOTH ADULTS. YOU ARE TAKING A FATHER AND DAUGHTER RELATIONSHIP FOR YOUR FAVORITE SHIP?

Have y'all even watched the witcher or read the books because it's clear that you haven't.

Here's the wiki for Ciri (Netflix's version)

I can understand why people would take Ciri/Freya Allen and cast her as Aelin.

Ashen-grey hair

Emerald green eyes

A princess and heir to her kingdom, Cintra

Aelin:

Golden blonde hair

Turquoise eyes ringed with gold

A princess and heir to her kingdom, Terrasen

But there's a catch. Take a look at the family section of her wiki.

You get why it's weird and (let's be honest) controversial to fancast these two as a couple in another series?

Now, I can't talk as I take Geralt as a fancast for Maegor Targaryen (The Cruel) but they do fit. White hair, big, buff, and tough warriors, mommy issues (Sorry Maegor), and they're infertile (Maegor isn't confirmed to be infertile but he always failed to have a kid so....). The only difference is that Geralt is a good lover (If I can recall correctly) and has a kid despite not being his own flesh and blood. (Hell, I might use Yennefer as a fancast for Ashara Dayne.)

And can you imagine how some people will react if a white guy was casted as Rhysand?

Can you imagine how some people will react if a man of color was casted as Rhysand?

Either way, it's a shitstorm. The better and possibly the safest solution is casting a Mediterranean actor.

Anyways, I made this during the night and now, I'm tired. Take care and don't take this post to heart or take it too seriously✌🏾

(Share your thoughts if you like but no arguing, fighting, etc).

[lizzie-queenofmeigas]

What I would Change In ASOIAF

Ages & Time:

–This has always bugged me, how young the characters are and that the time passes so slowly. I would have either aged them up and have time pass equally or have each book be what occurs in a years.

–IF WITH EACH BOOK PASSED A YEAR, in the beginning of Winds of Winter Arya would be 14, Sansa 16, Jon 19, Dany 18, Bran 12/13, Cersei and Jaime 38(?, Tyrion 29, Margaery 19, Tommen 11, Myrcella 13, Arianne 27(?, and Brienne 23, Theon 24/25 and Sam 23.

This would, knowing George, cause more possibilities of sexual violence to the female characters. Arya, Sansa and Myrcella are the most possible candidates for this, because Dany at the beginning of Winds of Winter is already a dragonrider and probably the most powerful person in the Known World.

—IF WE CHANGE THE AGES AND LEAVE THE TIME AS GEORGE PUTS IT (2 years pass during the course of five books) we could have Dany start the book being 15 (which is much more historically accurate anyways), Jon 16, Sansa 14, Ary 12, Bran 11, Margaery 16, Brienne her canon age, Cersei and Jaime 35, Tyrion 26, Joffrey 15, Myrcella 13 and Tommen 10. The rest can be left with their canon ages.

This too would, knowing George, increase the chance of Joffrey sexually assaulting Sansa or even Tyrion deciding to consummate the marriage. It would also be, knowing George, possible that Arya and Myrcella suffer this two, or they could be given romances. I mean, knowing George he might have Myrcella making out with one of the Sand Snakes in Dance with Dragons. This would not be terrible, but it would be very sexualized instead of just romantic.

Diversity

–This is another thing that bothers me, the lack of diversity. ASoIaF has a lot of human races, but most are white, we could fix that.

–MAKE THE DORNISH UNQUESTIONABLY POC the dornish could be, as many fancast them, based in Indians.

–MAKE THE FIRST MEN NOT WHITE EUROPEAN the Starks and all the northerners could be based in the natives of Alaska, Greenland, Canada and Siberia.

–MAKE THE VALYRIANS BLACK the three Valyrian houses, Velaryon, Celtigar and Targaryen could be black. Essos is a big continent and we already have proof that there are people of color in the continent (Dothraki)

–MAKE WESTEROS HAVE FIRM ALLIANCES WITH THE SUMMER ISLANDS AND YI TI this will make a possibility of a more diverse Westeros. Many could be immigrants or other could be mixed (and honestly if Yi Ti is that rich they should definitely have an alliance with the country)

–GIVE THE DOTHRAKI POVS AND POSITIVE TRAITS Dany's most ardent followers and first culture to embrace her are also people and people and their cultures have good and bad things. Dany's loyal handmaids and kos should have POV characters during Feast for Crows they could have POVs showing how they see Dany and the situation and the changes, showing their relationships with one-another, what they like and don't like.

Women & Warriors

–Was always kinda weird to me how Dany, Who was abused by men many times, doesn't try to train or even carries a knife around (that I remember)

–MAKE DANY AN ASPIRING WARRIOR from book one Dany could have been training with the Dothraki or Jorah. She is shown to be very physically active, so why not training?

–MAKE IRRI AND JHIQUI WARRIORS the Dothraki could have women being physically active, using bows and whips if not arakhs.

–HAVE DANY TRUST IN HER DRAGONS MORE this is something many might not agree with, but Dany should have leaned in her family's strength more without forgetting who she is alone. Her bond with her dragons is special and she should have completely refused to lock them up, or have them out sooner.

[atopvisenyashill]

What is your personal pet peeve about fanart or fics in the fandom

Mine is when they give rhaenys daughter of elia valyrian features

Like when they describe her in fic as having purple eyes so dark they looked black, or faint hints of purple in her eyes. Or in fanart when they give her a white streak in her hair. Like the point is that she doesn't look valyrian! And racist grandpa hates her for that!

I love the fanart, they're pretty, and visually interesting, and also a labour of love, and I feel like such a tool for feeling like this about something fellow fans make

tbf the book does mention she had a streak in her hair BUT it is described more like alysanne going grey rather than a white/silver streak like Valarr so I do get that point.

i think i've talked before about being kinda picky about fancasts. sometimes the graphic is nice enough that i'll reblog anyway, but i hate charlotte hope as catelyn, isolda dychauk as sansa, and that girl from the last kingdom i always forget the name of as arya so much, it positively IRKS me. same with using big bollywood names as martells - esp because like, i don't think Deepika Padukone or Aishwarya Rai even look anything like how Arianne, Nymeria, or Elia are described. Ranveer Singh is less annoying just because i get it at least, I can see the Oberyn vibes but Deepika or Aishwarya are nowhere near delicate enough to play Elia, who is always described as basically ~looking sick.

And of course i've talked about the fic pickiness. I make up for this by having very low standards for grammar. I think I've even recced fics, sometimes highly, where the grammar is not good, the writing is clearly very clunky, the dialogue is not particularly accurate because for me what's more important is that you get the character right. I will tolerate so much formatting nonsense if you have a) a good plot idea and b) a good grasp of the characters. Like, I can't tell you how many HOTD fics I've backed out of that are incredibly well written but they either straighten the fuck out of Daemon's behavior, have Rhaenyra and Daemon (sometimes Alicent) hate Viserys, or are weird about Rhaenyra having kids out of wedlock in a way that makes my ass itch (once I was really into one and then Jace confronts her about the bastardry and asks why she dead ass went "because i wanted to." bro she would never saw it like that to Jacaerys of all people). But like, if you're getting crazy with the run ons, using em dashes like they're going out of style, have dialogue that sounds like d&d wrote it? idc so long as it rings true to the character!

[klonnieshippersclub]

yes, lol. i also don't like tyler being cast as the son of two white folk, but this isn't a tyler blog, so i didn't bring it up here. even with abby being biracial, that still wouldn't add up to a biracial daughter with the matter of rudy. it is genuinely no disrespect to kat, i just don't like when things don't match up and i see a lot of people always fancasting mixed actors in roles that don't fit them, which usually bothers me.

This isn't a fancast. This doesn't make any sense and is a strange argument to make when Rudy wasn't cast until season 4. Abby didn't show up till season 3. So you're arguing over 25% blackness? You want someone "fully black" which doesn't make sense either. How does someone "fully" black have a biracial mother (since Persia would still be Abby) based on your understanding of race? Shouldn't you be wondering why they cast those parents instead of trying to change who play Bonnie since Kat came first?

That's not how genetics OR race work in the slightest. If you're biracial, you don't get an even 50% split of black and white genes. Different siblings with the same parents have different genetic codes. This also means they can have different ethnic backgrounds. This doesn't just apply to biracial people either. Why bring up Tyler and not Enzo? Is Trevino not white passing enough for you? This conversation is silly. Kat is visibly and likely more ethnically black than Persia. It doesn't matter how black the actress playing Bonnie is since she was always going to be mistreated (ex: Sarah Salvatore).

I rarely get upset running the page but illogical race discussion bothers me. As a black girl with black parents AND black grandparents, I understand the abundance of mixed-race or biracial representation in media can be overwhelming since it directly correlates with colorism. However, Kat was not cast in a role that doesn't fit her (based on your belief system). Bonnie's parents were cast in a way that doesn't mirror Kat's.

[negative-speedforce]

Alright, your turn! If YOUR OCs starred in a movie, who would you pick to play them?

(I know you have a ton of OCs, feel free to just do the ones you can come up with a good answer for - I struggled to pick people for this and I have like half the OCs you do lol)

Alright so some of these people aren't actors or anything but they're definitely who I imagine the characters looking like-

Siv: Romy Flores, 100%. She's got the face, the nose, the "don't give a fuck" attitude. All she'd really need is gray contact lenses and either a haircut or a short wig.

Hailey: Lynk Lee isn't 100% perfect for Hailey, since Hailey has a more stocky, muscular build, but in the hypothetical movie, if she were to do some weight training, she could definitely do Hailey justice. Also, she'd need green/blue contacts for Hailey's post-death heterochromatic eyes.

Jay: Elliot Fletcher is the closest I can get to how I imagine Jay looking, though I would hypothetically want to cast someone who was both transmasc and physically disabled, since Jay is both.

Cassandra: Halle is absolutely perfect for Cassandra- though if she were to play the role, she'd need violet contacts for Cassandra's magic-corrupted eyes.

Arya: Cayley Spivey, 100%! This, but with elf ears and a shaggy mullet! (fun fact: Spivey was the fancast for Siv's original design)

Esme: Ava Max is my current fancast for her. She's got the bleach blonde hair, the "party girl" vibe and the angular yet cutesy face.

Gina: Ilianna Ayala Garcia would make a pretty good Gina, imo, though she's a little older than the actual Gina was when she died, what movie doesn't have a 20-something playing a teen?

Ember: Marina Summers, a queen who starred in S1 of Drag Race Philippines, is absolutely perfect for Ember!

Cat: Even though she doesn't necessarily look entirely like Cat, I've never been able to imagine anyone but Anna Cathcart as her. I think its just the vibes lol.

Kyle: This random-ass hockey player from Minnesota, Ryan Johnson, has been my faceclaim for Kyle since I first created the character.

Max: Heng Sokvisal makes a pretty good Max, just slap on a pair of glasses and we're good to go!

Khalil: Shameik Moore makes the perfect Khalil imo. No comments, just vibes. (though since Khalil works as a makeup artist I'd definitely give him some gold eyeliner or something)

Reggie: Winnie Harlow's pretty much perfect for Reggie, though she'd need blue contacts because Reggie has xer dad's eyes.

Ameerah: Amandla Stenberg makes an absolutely amazing Ameerah, I'd definitely want her to have the light blonde hair like in the picture, and she'd need pink contacts to match Ameerah's description.

Rania: Denise Bidot, 10000000%. She's been my faceclaim for her for like, FOREVER.

Director Hawke: Julianne Moore, specifically in her "President Coin" look. Director Hawke was loosely based on President Coin, so I've always imagined her looking somewhat like her.

Meredith: Rachel Zegler, but with glasses and lighter brown hair.

Onnie: Same as Siv lol it's her multiversal variant

Jessi: Same as Esme, multiversal variant

Pippa: Veondre Mitchell is the perfect Pippa! She was actually the one who I initially based Pippa's appearance off of.

Hyun-Ki: Park Sung-Hoon is a pretty good Hyun-Ki. From his dramatic looks to his honestly kinda gorgeous voice. I don't doubt he'd make a great Hyun-Ki

Thalia: Teyonah Parris is Thalia, there's no doubt about it. Ever since I watched Wandavision and saw her as Monica Rambeau, I knew that she'd be perfect to play Thalia in her hypothetical movie.

Reyna: K-Pop soloist AleXa is a pretty good fancast for her, though she'd need some pretty good SFX makeup or CGI due to Reyna being a near-human felid species.

Athena: Alaqua Cox (AKA Echo from Hawkeye) is how I imagine Athena looks, but with a white streak in the front of her hair (and a lot more seductive of an aesthetic)

Laila: Youtuber Beth Crowley is my faceclaim for Laila, though as Laila I'd want her to either don a short bob or a short wig, and amber contacts.

Marie: Mayu Maeshima is a great faceclaim for Marie, though she'd need SFX makeup for Marie's Romulan features and her Borg implants.

Qiara: Due to Qiara's nature as a being of pure energy, she doesn't necessarily take the same form at all times. However, the one she frequents the most could very well be portrayed by Chiquis Rivera.

Liah: Raquel Rodriguez would make a great Liah, she has the right height and build for her, she would just need SFX makeup for Liah's Cardassian features, and hazel contacts.

Samira: Desiree Akhavan would make a pretty good Samira. She definitely fits how I imagine Samira to look, and she's got the right vibe to play her as well.

Sohelia: Golshifteh Farahani is a pretty good faceclaim for Sohelia, though she'd need some light makeup to make her skin more ashy, due to Sohelia being half-vampire.

Vanessa: Storm Reid is absolutely perfect for Vanessa, though for most of the movie she'd be replaced with either a puppet or CGI double for her monster form.

Dolores: Diane Guerrero is perfect for Dolores. She'd just need some minor makeup in order to look more like a vampire, i.e. ashy skin, red eyes, fangs, etc.

I don't have faceclaims for Eric, Jacob, Antonio, Cory, Soraya, Aldrich, Matt, or Victorie yet.

[nrilliree]

Rhaenys had black hair. Her having silver in the show is basically the same as her having violet eyes to the boys' brown, given that I think Eve matches eye colour with at least one of them?? Either way, Rhaenys's hair and eyes did not match the boys and was not used as a defence any more than if Aemma looked like an Arryn.

As for Jaehaerys, no one who is purely a show watcher knows that his mother was a Velaryon so it's probably fine in that regard; it isn't used a relevant piece of information. So we have the distinct looks of the Targaryen and Velaryons to help differentiate the Valyrian families and create the visual narrative they wanted and add diversity.

For me, this is quite important information, because if changes are made to the character's genetics, they should be quite consistent. Because then what about the conquest series? The mother of Aegon, Rhaenys and Visenya is Valaena Velaryon. So completely white actors shouldn't be cast, which is what fans expect in fancasts. And people probably don't know about the conquerors' parents.

And yet the fact that the boys' grandmothers were Arryn and Baratheon women was used as an excuse that the genes could have skipped a generation. I think so? If I remember correctly.

And when it comes to the eyes - I honestly don't know what color the actors' eyes are.

[justaboymadeofhoneyandglass]

OKAY SO A RANT FOR YOU

I'll do it on my hcs of the marauders ethnicities and nationalities hehehe since we were talking about it earlier

starting off with the girls because LADIES FIRST/lh

Marlene— I see her as German or Korean (maybe both for that matter) I saw her as German first originally, and like I love it

I also saw her recently being hc as Korean and I thought that was fitting as well

and I think she was born and raised in England, but her parents always took her on trips back to Germany or to Korea to learn about the cultures and see their extended family as well

she would definitely be bilingual, but no one would realize until one day she just whips it out, and everyone is stunned

Dorcas— Haitian/cuban, she is a Caribbean girlie all the way

Dorcas can fluently speak créole and Spanish, French as well

She was born in Haiti and her parents had her live there until she was like 5 and then brought her to live in England with them

Lily— English/Irish, born in england

but I like to think that her father was born and raised in Ireland and had the thickest accent and so because of her growing up with her mother's English accent and her father's Irish accent, she has this combined accent from the both of them

Mary— I think she could be Nigerian, though I haven't thought too much about Mary (Shame on me ikik 😔)

She was born in England but she lived with her grandmother for a while bc maybe her parents died(?) and then when she got older she moved back to England for school

Emmeline Vance— I actually know nothing about her so I'm open to whatever hcs ppl have for her

I usually see her fancasts being Asian but I'm not sure where in Asia I think she'd be from

Pandora— Mexican/French or Brazilian/French

u told me about Mexican rosier twins earlier and I can't not get that out my mind

I love it sm

they were born and raised in France though, moving to England when they were 12-13 maybe

Sybil— I got no clue here, I'm thinking maybe polish? I'm not sure

she was born as raised in England tho, that's for sure

Bellatrix— Haitian/French

I HAVE A WHOLE THING FOR THIS

Cygnus had an affair(a one night stand) and the woman got pregnant and then came bellatrix, and because she technically had Cygnus' blood, she was partially "pure" so he had to take her in

but the rest of that family is white(you can't convince me that the older generations of the Black Family weren't racist— ironic bc of the name but I digress) and therefore Bellatrix always stood out yk

but she could fluently speak French, her French is honestly better than her English (bc she wanted to be accepted so badly she leaned more into learning french bc it was what her family valued)

she was born and raised in England

Narcissa— French, born and raised in England

Druella was french, Cygnus was French and there you get Narcissa (this sounds so plain after every I wrote for Bella but 😭)

Fluent in French and English

Andromeda— French, born and raised in England

Can speak French, but not as well as her sisters, but knows more than enough to get by

Alice— Italian, born and raised in Italy but moved to England for Hogwarts

idk why but she just seems Italian to me

Rita— kill me but she's so american, in terms of nationality

I think she'd be Greek and dutch ethnically though, but can't speak either of those languages (she can read and write Greek tho, just can't speak it well)

BUT SHE'S SUCH AN AMERICAN 😭😭😭 IM TELLING I (sincerely, an American)

she moved to England though, cause 1. her parents are loaded and 2. she begged hard enough

okay I think that's all the girls (I will sob if I missed one—)

now for the dudes

Remus— Welsh/English, born and raised in Wales

Idk where I got this from it's just always been there

but if I may

can I propose German Remus? cause I can see it yk

Sirius— French/Italian, born in italy and lived there for a bit, then moved to England

Idk which parent would be which bc I honestly don't care enough about Orion or Wallburga, but I have converted to Italian Black brothers and I couldn't give it up Im telling you

it's just too perfect

Sirius would lean more into learning Italian than French but would be fluent in both, as well as English

his accent is strong but he's good at covering it

Regulus— same as Sirius, French/Italian, but born and raised in France

Id like to think Orion and wallburga were separated for a bit bc they couldn't tolerate each other's bullshit LMAO so they both separated(without anyone knowing ofc) and took the boys to France and Italy for a bit until they had to show their faces together a couple years later

So regulus is ofc fluent in French, as well as Italian, but he doesn't have as strong of an Italian accent, as well as English ofc

he also stopped using Italian a lot more after Sirius left

James— HE'S EITHER INDIAN/BENGALI OR CUBAN/PUERTO RICAN

there's no in between for me he's either Desi or Hispanic LOL (I mean he can be both ofc he can but I always see him as one or the other)

He's fluent in Spanish or Bengali and knows some hindu (but his parents were from West Bengal and Bangladesh so they mainly speak Bengali) and English

But sorry y'all, despite this, his spice tolerance is not great, sue me(/lh)

he still eats it all anyway bc all that food is DELICIOUS OMG(I love food, can you tell)

he was born and raised in England tho

Peter— I think he's Scottish for some reason, born and raised

and he has an accent too hehehe

sorry Peter, you're quite simple when it comes to this imo 😔🎀

Barty— we've all decided he was Italian haven't we

but but what if I hit you with Italian/German barty

I saw it in a post the other day and I loved it LMAO

he was born and raised in Italy but moved to England in his teens

can speak Italian, and German fluently, his English is good but his accents are all over the place at times

Evan— exactly the same as Pandora, Mexican/French or Brazilian/French

Frank— tell me why I see him as Asian (probably bc of Frank from Percy Jackson but that's not my fault—)

but he'd probably be half Chinese and half English

born and raised in England

Lucius— Russian or French, or half and half

it just seems right to me

he was born in raised in Russia until he was ten, then he moved to France, and then finally, they ended up in England for him to go to Hogwarts

fluent in Russian and French, and his English is good enough to get by, his accent is THICK though

Snape(I just realized.... we don't call him by his first name do we 💀)— but ummmm hm

Italian/English

born and raised in England and does not speak Italian

Xenophilius— french, born and raised

can speak French fluently as well as English

Rodolphus(Lestrange)— I can't remember what exactly me and my friend hc them as but ik he was half Romanian

(I think the other half was Russian)

Rabastan(Lestrange)— same as his brother

and... I think that's everyone

everyone that we rlly talk about anyways LMAO

this was a long one hehe

OMG SO SO SO COOL THNAK YOUU FOR TELLING MEEE

I agree with a lot of these hehe

I get where you're coming from with Bellatrix, I've somehow always seen her as part italian for some reason lol, cus of the whole affair thing that I completelyyyy agree withhh

And yeah rita is Definitely American, any idea what state she could be from? I feel like she could also be german/American just for fun

I think xenophilius would be French but I also think he'd maybe be some other European country, maybe like Belgium or maybe Greece? hehe

I LLOVEE THE IDEA OF SIRIUS AND REG BEING ITALIAN AND FRENCH OMG

but sadly I kinda don't think it fits a bit ? IDKK

but yes it absolutely works I'm just veryy used to French black brothers loll

hehe ^_^

[sunshinemarauders]

Racist Experiences in the Marauders Fandom

These anonymous submissions come from a survey I published several weeks ago where I asked for fans in the Marauders fandom to share their experiences with me. I was overwhelmed with the results, and this is, in their own words, some of the submissions I was sent.

There has been lost of push back against fans using POC fan casts for various characters

weird reactions to desi james or east asian sirius!!

I have seen people get upset when characters are fancast as non-white actors (like dev Patel for James)

Clash of opinions about fanon Hermione being black

I have seen lots of racism towards people's newer fancasts, as all the OGs (ben barnes, andrew garfield, aaron taylor-johnson, etc.) are white and some people are trying to change that!

I saw a fanart one time, where james had a darker skin (he was latino) and someone commented that it doesn't suit him

I draw Sirius black as Asian and I’ve gotten quite a few racist comments about this and I’ve seen a lot of racism about desi James. Also when BIPOC people cosplay characters that people think are “white”

People tend to cast characters as white, and sometimes I see people getting mad someone is fancasting a non-canonically black character as black or as a person of colour (I've seen some good black Remus, non-white Lily, non-white Peter fancasts, and yet, there is still peope being sooo mad about it like??). Sadly, I think a lot of people can tell about the fact that fancasts are often discussed and hated for no reason when they're not white or whatever, when it's basically just a fancast, that goes against the "canon" a bigot (JKR) made up.

the first that’s coming to mind is people fighting against the interpretation/portrayal of characters as poc (most often james bs i think he’s most popularly hced as desi but also others) either that or just straight up gatekeeping

Only the general feeling that the white characters are more interesting and loved than any of the characters of color. Racebending seems token, like nobody wants to be exclusionary but also don't have the comfort or confidence to make that diversity ring true in terms of cultural resonance. By cultural resonance I don't only mean make them ethnic but to portray and discuss or casually mention the postcolonial personhood or third culture kid experience as applies.

A comment on my fic about making it a “racial jungle”, saying that it wasn’t accurate for the time period even though representation of races otherwise had no significance in the fic

theres is a lot people that will fight tooth and nail for exclusively white maruaders (in terms of fancasts) and they slander other people in the fandom for using more diverse fancasts such as desi james or black evan

I've seen it in passing, especially towards POC writers/people who HC characters who were not diverse in canon.

People not wanting desi Potters in art or otherwise

One Harry Potter fan got mad at me for drawing James (and Harry) dark skinned

GOD THE FRIKIN FANCASTS. They really don't matter that much and everyone makes it such a big deal. To me at least- representation only really matters if its real. If there's fat Peter, darkskin Dorcas, desi James, or Japanese Sirius/Regulus in a fanfic, that is the representation of that. It doesn't need to be reflected in a fancast used in an edit. Personal opinion but annoying as fuck I just wish everyone would enjoy the fact that someone spent time pouring over numerous tiny clips from many different TV shows and movies just for fun, and other people getting mad that they didn't use a person that literally doesn't exist angers me to no end.

mostly just a complete ignorance of POC identities. sometimes poc characters are ignored in favour of white characters. but also, even when POC are centered, i often see like a lot of fetishization and stereotyping and it's just... not good...

there’s a lot of jewish people in the fandom that have pointed out antisemitism within the fandom a few times. i am not jewish, and i cannot speak on the issue, but that’s something i’ve heard a lot. i’ve also seen the whitewashing of fancasts for characters like mary and dorcas who are widely accepted to be women of color, so that feels weird to me, but i think? that’s everything i’ve noticed or heard.

i've seen racism thrown to black creators, poc fancasts, and at myself for being arab and head-cannoning the black brother as arab.

There was a black dude cosplaying remus and their were people saying remus wasnt a N-word but it was a white person saying it

I have seen some fans respond in a racist way to Black fans who have called out the racism in the way in which Black characters are written and portrayed in the fandom.

[mermaidsirennikita]

speaking of fancast, who can you see as ash and embry? i know it makes no sense bc of their physical descriptions in the books but i just saw masters of the air and i thought austin butler and callum turner gave that vibe...

Honestly, I don't think I see anyone as them? It's really unusual of me to relate anyone to Greer or Isolde, and I think it's mostly because I just love Elle as an actress and find that she does a very good job with playing a psychotic woman who wants to kill her husband, which.... Isolde Laurence. But she also gives All American Girl which gives Greer Galloway (Greer Colchester-Moore, I'm sorry).

I don't really see Callum as either one, but Austin is probably pretty enough to be an Embry for me. Embry's defining physical appearance thing is like "looks rich and is distractingly pretty" and that is indeed Austin Butler! But Callum is one of the more promising white boys on the scene. And he and Austin absolutely have great chemistry, for sure!

[annabthesolitarywriter]

Children of Eönwë and Elenna (OCs): The Lady of Ithilien

[Since I don't know how many years LOI will cover yet, I am posting the faceclaims of the children up until year FoA 43— the year both their parents die. The adult versions of the surviving children will be featured in the sequel Estel i Hína]

Fionwë

FoA 25 (stillbirth; named posthumously)

Miscarriage in early FoA 26

Mírion & Míriel

DOB: FoA 26

DOD:

First child of Eönwë and Elenna. He's his father's heir and his mother's pride and joy. He adores his parents and would give his life for them.

Fancast: Berkecan Akkaya (childhood)

Louis Partridge (teenage years/adulthood)

Éowyn ("Wyn")

DOB: FoA 27

DOD:

Eönwë and Elenna's second child and first daughter. Named after her maternal grandmother, she's lively, spunky and fun. She's obsessed with jewelry and, according to her siblings, she talks way too much. She's her father's darling and has a very complicated relationship with her mother.

Fancast: Ayda Acar (toddler); Grace May O' Leary (childhood/pre-teenage years); Kayra Zabci (?) (teenage years; adulthood)

Elenion

DOB: FoA 28

DOD:

Fancast:

Boromir

DOB: FoA 29

DOD: (late FoA 30s - 36 onward)

Named after his uncle (the son of deceased Captain of the White Tower; check my Half-Human/Half-Elven OC profiles for reference), he's an adorable ray of sunshine.

Unfortunately, due to *things that happen to his mom*, he's very sickly and often bedridden. He and his younger brother Elarion adore one another (they're basically twins even though they're actually not) and will die on the same day. Natural causes? Coincidence? Mairon trying to undermine Eönwë in any possible way to break him utterly? Who knows (spoiler, I don't either)

Fancast: Alihan Türkdemir

Elarion

DOB: FoA 31

DOD: (late FoA 30s - 36 onward)

Fourth child of Eönwë and Elenna, he's also very sickly. Boromir is his best friend and they always stick together. They will probably die together as well.

Fancast: I only found a gif and a pic of him but that's basically how he looks like (he's such a cute kid). I'll make a collage once I have found more pics.

Eglantine ("Tilly")

DOB: Adopted in FoA 32

DOD: FoA 39

Adopted in FoA 32. She's an elf. She's very close with Wyn and her younger sister Finduilas. Enna brings her home with the intent to keep her temporarily. Needless to say, they end up keeping her permanently and adopt her.

Fancast: Amelie Child Villiers

Finduilas ("Finnie")

DOB: FoA 32

DOD:

Fifth child of Eönwë and Elenna. Tilly is her best friend. She's quiet, enjoys reading and studying and is a polyglot. She adores her dad, but she also has a closer relationship to Enna compared to her sisters.

Fancast: Balim Gaye Bayrak

Mairella

DOB: FoA 33

DOD:

Fancast:

Elanorellë ("Ellie")

DOB: FoA 34

DOD: FoA 40

Fancast: (remake the photoset once I have more pics)

Aearwen Elanel

DOB: FoA 36

DOD: FoA 40

Partly named after Enna's birth mother.

Fancast:

Vanya Elestellë & Faramir Elegil

DOB: FoA 43 (twins)

DOD:

The last children. Depending on when LOI ends, they will either appear as newborn or as toddlers. In any case, I'm including their faceclaims.

Vanya Elestellë

Fancast: Nisa Sofiya Aksongur

(Adult version to be featured in the sequel: Evie Allen)

Faramir Elegil ("Feathermir")

Fancast: Çağan Efe Ak

(Adult version to be featured in the sequel: Boran Bağci)

NOTE (& SPOILERS NO ONE WILL CARE ABOUT)=> I know I haven't included all the children's adult versions in this post, but that doesn't mean they're all going to die. I just haven't found the right faceclaims yet 😊 the only confirmed casualties here are Boromir and Elarion. Wyn may die too after her parents' death.

Shortly after Boromir and Elarion's funeral, Eönwë realizes there's seriously wrong with him and it doesn't take him long to figure that he will eventually die. He doesn't say anything to anyone, but he knows the end is coming for him. Which is why, he'll try not to produce any more children (creation is a Maiarin thing, after all). As a matter of fact, Vanya and Faramir are a mistake. They just...happen. They weren't planned (none of the children was actually, but...you know what I mean).

I'll update this post again once I find the name of all the missing actors 😊

[tangledbea]

you're so real for saying charithra chandran for rapunzel, she's been my number one fancast for her if there ever is a live-action movie (hopefully there won't be one! PLEASE disney come up with new ideas for the love of god!!) the moment i laid eyes on her while watching bridgerton.

something that really irks me is the number of people crying over rumours of rapunzel not being white... like people are going over to avantika's socials and harassing her over a literal fancast which is quite frankly very strange behaviour. their number one excuse for the anti desi rapunzel is: "well, desi girls aren't naturally blonde. we need a blonde to play rapunzel, otherwise it won't be realistic, duh!" but!

1st of all, rapunzel herself isn't even blonde. she's brunette!

2nd, rapunzel's hair has never ever been realistic. super long, glowing, magical hair is realistic to you people? really?

also seeing people say that rapunzel can't be desi because she's german... and then propose a different actress who isn't even german either to be rapunzel lol.

but idk. the undercover racists are once again coming out full force. it's like the halle bailey situation all over again

i hope this was a good take sob sorry for bringing bad vibes to the function

anywho, at the end of the day i will literally get on my knees and BEG disney to not make any more live actions movies. we don't need them!!!!!

I agree with literally everything you said, including fan-casting Charithra because of her performance in Bridgerton. XD I watched her there, and for the first time since the movie came out, I saw an actress I'd be happy with portraying Rapunzel. She's got the acting chops, she's got the look, her innocence is so sweet and her rage is so palpable. The only role I've ever seen Avantika in is Karen in Mean Girls, and although that's just one role, nothing about her performance said "Disney's Rapunzel" to me.

I really really hate that people think it's okay to harass actors for any reason, let alone because of a popular fancast. In that respect, social media is a blight. People should not have unfettered access to celebrities and the creatives behind their favorite shows. God, I wish people could be trusted, but this is why we can't have nice things.

Oddly, I've been seeing a lot of people complaining in the Tumblr tags about people's treatment of Avantika on Tiktok and Twitter, but I haven't really seen people complaining about it here on Tumblr. So basically, the people yelling in the tags are yelling at the wrong people*. Of course, this happens all the time around here; people complaining about what they saw on a different social media platform.

But, yeah. NO MORE LIVE ACTION REMAKES, PLEASE. I mean, we obviously can't stop them, because too many people who aren't that critical of it enjoy it, but it sure would be nice if they'd get the picture.

*Not to say that I think that no one here on Tumblr is racist or feels the same way as the TikTokers and Twits who are being overtly racist, just that I'm not seeing it with my own eyes, because I'm not on those platforms.

[orchidsangel]

what are your thoughts on the short lived live action netflix winx show queen?

i personally couldn’t get past the outfits 😔

I loooooove questions like this that let me ramble about my interests outside of dc, also sorry it took so long to post. I hope you're still around to see it <33

Okay, so I vividly remember when the news that a live-action Winx was coming, and everybody was soooooo stoked (including me), and there was the craziest surge of fancast tweets ever. Like, I literally fought with someone on Twitter who fancasted Madelaine Petsch as Bloom, and I was like...well, no! Either way, the role went to Abigail Cowen, who actually plays Dorcas in 'Chilling Adventures of Sabrina', which is a part of the Riverdale universe that Madelaine Petsch is also in because, well, she's in Riverdale. And then K-pop stans were fighting over whether or not Twice's Momo or Blackpink's Lisa would be a better Musa; it was just a crazy day. Understandably so; it's always a big deal when beloved animated shows are adapted into something more real. I personally was jumping for joy.

And then the promo pics were released, and everybody very quickly went, "wtf?" (including me)

Good god, those outfits were so fucking awful. No, they weren't, actually, they were pretty normal, but when you take into account the source content, it was actually pretty fucking bad. That was only a part of the outrage, though; a lot of it came from the whitewashing of Flora's character, which actually wasn't whitewashing but a completely new character named "Terra." Which. Is so...! they ended up introducing Flora later, but I feel like that was due in part to the outrage because, similarly to Bratz, Winx was partially so popular due to its diverse range of characters and cutting out the Latina character to replace her with a white one with the EXACT SAME POWERS is absurd.

Also, they whitewashed Musa, a fully Chinese character. The actress that plays her is part Singaporean, which, yes, is Asian, but they're not interchangeable. Even crazier is she's mostly European and very white-passing, so it's like, uhhhhh.

I do love the dark-skin representation with Aisha, tho, like they ate that ONE thing.

Okay, so now for MY thoughts. I don't hate the show, not in the slightest. I only watched season 1, but I thoroughly enjoyed it, and the only reason I didn't watch s2 is because when it came out, I didn't have the steam to watch something entirely new, and I ended up just forgetting about it. I don't think the show is bad; I just think that when you remember the name it's attached to, it becomes very, very bleak in comparison to its source material.

There's been a very big trend within the past ten or so years where big media companies are "rebooting" childhood favorites but with darker and more mature plots, which was cool the first couple of times, like Riverdale s1, absolute gold (before it devolved into whatever tf it became) and the early seasons of chilling adventures of Sabrina. It was something new and fresh like Twin Peaks meets your beloved animated characters from when you were kids, but it very quickly started to feel like it was an easy way to gain an audience. Fate: The Winx Saga could've been something good had it not been attached to the Winx brand. But then it would've run the risk of failing (which it did anyway) instead of being an overnight smash hit solely because of the namesake. Even if people hate watched it, those are still views, and those company execs get their paychecks.

Like I said, I'd have no qualms about it if it was an original series, and oftentimes I forgot that it wasn't one. But that's the problem, it wasn't.

Making live-action versions of cartoons will always prove to be difficult because those cartoons aren't necessarily meant to translate into real life; that's the whole point. They're not real. They're different and original and have special powers, unrealistic proportions, and weird stances!! When those cartoons are made into life action shows, they try to make them as natural as possible bc, duh, a real person doing those things would look dumb as hell, but also, those shows were enjoyed because of all of those little things that don't translate well in real life. At least that's why I enjoyed them.

I feel like I'd be doing a disservice to even compare the shows because, in my head, they're not even remotely similar. Like it was beyond "making it darker," it really was just an entire show; there was even some continuity between the Archie comics and the bizarre acid trip that was Riverdale. I know I probably sound like a broken record saying how drastically different it was, but the laundry list of differences is so insanely long.

I've rewatched the original Winx many, many times. I know the pilot episode like the back of my hand and all of the major plot points of the first few seasons (bc I abandoned it once that 3d animation came into play). I supposed this is how people who watch movie adaptations of books feel, pointing out details that are "minor" but don't feel minor when you know the source material so well.

Here's a list of differences I can think of off the top of my head from the first season alone because I didn't watch the second in its entirety, so this is just from my understanding:

alfea is in Solaria, which...ughhh, don't piss me off. It's located in Magix in the OG series, along with the Cloud Tower (school for witches) and the Red Fountain (school for specialists), which, btw, were both axed as far as I know.

Witches are kinda sorta a thing? Instead of witches going to a whole different school and having their own unique powers, they live in hiding and are called blood witches because they blood bend.

There are no Trix, just Beatrix. Who is a fairy and an annoying evil one at that?

They are all British. Everyone is British. I don't understand why Bloom is the token American. I don't understand why she is the sole American to go to that school; it doesn't make sense to me in the slightest. Like, if it's a school for all fairies, then...why? And if it was only for British fairies, then...why?

Sky and Stella date, there is so Brandon; in fact, most of the specialists have been axed. (Helia plz come back to me, bae. I took you for granted last time)

Obviously, there's no flora until season 2...which. Don't pmo.

Ummm, the whole "the burned plot"? Which is interesting, I'll admit.

No transformations except that weak ass one they had in s2 that I saw on Twitter and closed the app in a fit of rage

Stella is a bitch?????? She's literally the definition of a girl's best friend, fashion icon, willing to die for the people she loves, and big golden retriever energy. And they just. They made her so awful. She does have a redemption arc, but it's just so...

I can't think of any more off the top of my head, but those are the ones that really stuck with me well over a year after I've seen it.

so what does this mean? This means...well, idk what this means. Like I said previously, the show, if it was standalone, would be absolutely fire i think, but the moment they attached the Winx name to it, it suddenly had really big shoes to fill, and it just couldn't do it, not with those major changes. So many beloved aspects of the original show were taken out for a bunch of new things to be added in, making it feel like something completely new.

If the show wasn't advertised as a Winx show and someone approached me saying, "Hey, ro, if you like Winx, you'll like this show because it's like a darker, more mature version of it." I'd be interested. But the moment it became "Hey, ro, have you seen the new winx show?" it became something else, something with expectations, which often doesn't fare well for live adaptations.

Sorry, this got so long, and sorry I took so long to post it. I hope this jargon made sense, I got carried away.

tldr: I fw it when I forget it's Winx