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I do wish I were a person of great grace and poise and patience, and at times I attempt to work on that, but watching everyone who spent the past several weeks screaming that you cannot criticize this campaign because it's [improv/a great work of anticolonialism/too complex for you but not for me anyway here's my ten favorite children's cartoons] and the past several years acting like anyone who did anything short of laying down in a puddle to let Bells Hells cross over without getting wet was delivering a mortal insult and who sent death threats over the idea that maybe bringing in Vox Machina to resurrect Laudna was not narratively great melt down (crash out? am I using that right?) over it ending at a very reasonable point to end, in a finale and with a wrap up that might have other parties in it because it is a cross-party story is not like, an experience for which I don't feel immense schadenfreude.
#this btw is the nice version of this post mostly bc i gotta do work and the mean version would be like 2k words#but like. the number of times i got anon hate calling me a hypocrite is like well. you are what you send anon hate about apparently.
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Cool RPC Fact!
It's not elitist to set boundaries and be selective with who you interact with.
There's zero reason to go on anonymous pestering someone on why they don't follow people back, or, arguably worse, vagueblogging about it. Guess what; roleplaying is a collaborative hobby. You need to cope with the fact that not everyone will be interested in writing with you.
Why? Who cares. I assure you that there will be someone out there who will be willing to write with you, but I can also assure you that obfuscating the term 'elitism' with 'someone who might just wanna roleplay with friends' and having an attitude towards people who don't engage with you isn't gonna make people crowd towards you. Maybe people can only handle having so many rp partners at a time. You don't know, and you don't need to know.
Cultivate your own communities. Learn to accept silent rejection. Read people's rules pages when it comes to their rules on interactions, exclusives, whatever. It's their blog. Not yours. You can set all of the rules you want on your blog, and people can do the same on theirs. It's 2024. The world doesn't revolve around you, every blog has someone behind it who has their own boundaries for their own reasons.
#rp psa#rp tips#not a meme#sorry I'm seeing more fucking anons going 'HEY WHAT DICTATES WHO AND WHO YOU DONT FOLLOW BACK' like uhhhhhhhhhh#a lot of people are hypocrites like how would you feel if you got an anonymous message like that
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I low-key agree with deepdarks philosophy. Not necessarily his actions but the logic is actually pretty sound. I may be susceptible to cult influence
On one hand, I enjoy having successfully written a character who is both charismatic and convincing, because that kinda thing's really hard to pull off.
On the other hand, obviously do not ever listen to people just because they're exciting and talk a lot and say stuff that seems like it makes sense without actually backing up the things they say, lordy.
But thank you! But oh god.
#ask#anon#deepdark#the deer is in fact.................. manipulative purposefully hypocritical and nonsensical in his ideas
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what's your main blog? you're clearly too afraid of putting this shit on it. <3
You're telling my I'm afraid of posting on my main blog? While you're on anon? Are you hearing yourself?
#oh em gee#first anon hate#antis are hypocrites#and stupid#proship#op is a proshipper#profiction#anti anti#antis dni#proship safe#pro ship#profic#antis do not interact#proshipper safe#proshipper#proshipping
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re: one of your most recent posts
i *also* cannot get behind brat taming just bc who tf are you to boss me around?? i’m a grown ass adult, if i want to be bitchy i will
😭 I understand people who like it but telling me what to do is guaranteed to activate something primal in my caveman brain and suddenly I want to absolutely tear you apart baring my teeth as a sign of aggression.
#once again this doesn’t apply to beautiful women (all women are beautiful) who need a good dog#so basically I’m a hypocrite#or a service top. 😌.#still brat taming would make me throw hands#but even then that’s kind of hot?? like not brat taming but … doing it to get you mad#does this even make sense at this point#I’m sorry anon#cloth answers
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To said anon
There are far worse things people are writing and posting on this terrifying little hell scape of an app, writing is idealizing, imaging a reality sometimes with the stressors of real life and sometimes without, when people write its escape from their harsh reality to feel some comfort for lifes ailments, to feel peace etc. People aren't writing in the attempts of forcing things to real life people its an amalgamation of little what ifs in our shared imaginations. Some people write of fictional characters/ people, and others write about "real people" in the sense of turning them into fictional idealized characters its just writing down silly little daydreams.
Fun fact insane asylums aren't a thing anymore for good reasons, it was a precursor to psychiatric hospitals and deinstitutionalisation, insane asylums were a place that saw lots of health issues both psychiatric, cranial and cognitive developmentally delayed individuals and more who were sentthere to be discarded of. oftentimes those individuals where disregarded and treated unfairly and was constantly a place of medical malpractice, quick reminder, insane asylums are home of the lobotomy and shocking depression patients primarily to get them to stop complaining.
Oh my bad was annon trying to IDEALIZE a reach of actual help because you think so highly of yourself that you make assumptions based of what people post in their free time!? Get this, how the hell are you viewing someones page without idealizing characters and people yourself, theres warnings and deterrents in the beginning of each post to tell you to be a bigger person and walk away if something makes you uncomfortable, to block that account if you so please. Fanfic writers dont want conflict, we want stuff to read that is formulated to our likings and so some of us write it for others happiness, trying to share a little spark of joy because we need it here and there. Making others happy makes us happy, but when we get ignorant anons telling us down of ourselves, it doesn't do anything productive, making those anons hypocritical bullies.
Maybe dont make jokes on others health? Oh haha anon guess what! That was an idealization of someone's health and hurt written by you! CONGRATULATIONS YOURE A HYPOCRITE.
You dont know peoples lives no matter how much they share because theyre still out there living, while youre sitting behind a screen taking a moment to bully someone because you got your panties in a bunch over silly little daydreams peoples ranting THAT WEREN'T WRITTEN FOR YOU (:
You have no say in what people do with their lives or bodies oh haha and their blogs, you have no right to harm someone because you think you're a bigger person. Bigger people dont put others down, they dont demonize people, they dont hurt people, they do however take a deep breath and move along because you are not what dictates wrong from right you allmighty fool.
And for humanity's sake go block people you dont like, that way they dont have to deal with bullies like yourself.
Sincerely A HAPPILY IDEALIZING FANFIC WRITER OF MARVEL CHARCTERS <3
@chrisevansdaughter i love you so much friend! You matter so much and make this community feel whole, i love everything of yours i read, i gotta catch up on your masterlist lol, i appreciate all you do and say for others on here, you are a staple in the community and one of my favorite story writers 💚
Omg, your little blog is so pathetic. You're a perfect reason why insane assylums should be open and at full capacity. Get a life, maybe have a baby of your own. Scratch that last part, if you had children they'd be just as retarded as you. Get your tubes tied instead, for humanity's sake. 🙏
You know I’m not really one to reply to anon hate asks but this one just really is above anything. I find it really interesting that you think it’s totally accepted and reasonable to send something like this and use the language you’ve used. It’s rude and disrespectful.
And saying I should get my tubes tied, you don’t even know the person behind this blog and I find that really offensive for you just to say and think it’s acceptable to. Or why insane asylums should still be a thing and I’m just the reason they should still be open, and you using such an offensive word like retarded is as much hurtful as saying someone should get their tubes tied and never have kids. So to that effect I know I have some lovely people on here and lovely anons but for now I think turning anon off. Because this just isn’t acceptable.
At all.
To that please leave if you don’t have anything nice to say let alone send something like that on anon and not off anon, then soon enough most of us won’t care about the people behind the disgusting messages that are sent.
Respectfully I do have a life and a good one at that, with a job I love and am proud of for having so maybe whatever micro aggressions you need to get that are directed for me maybe are just for you.
So anon just for you, thank you for ruining anon for everyone else. And if you’re really saying “for humanity’s sake” maybe you need to think about yourself and what you’re like before shitting on other people.
Not that I owe anyone including you my time or especially an explanation. 
To all of the accounts below and all of the actual lovely people on here your more special and appreciated.
@haleyhunwritingss @thatsamericasass24 @anotherfuckingmarvelfanaccount @buckybarnesandmarvel @dumb-fawkin-bitch @reginaphalange2403 @harley-d @chrisevansonly @astrorogers @worksby-d @velvetcloxds @nana1000night @positivelyholland @f10werfae @hulkstacos @lu-morningstar-2 @i-spaced-sorry @ace-of-gay @youre-amazing-say-it @thatsamericasass24 @mcuamerica
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it’s so fucking annoying getting recommended blogs and I’m like “oh sweet! a new fun blog to follow that posts ST things and other cool stuff!!” and then I’m immediately hit with the “I hate Billy Hargrove and if you stan him get the fuck off my blog and stop defending him and stop shipping him and stop trying to change canon and if you post anything about him or ship him get the fuck off my blog and LEAVE!!!” bullshit
girl… if a fictional character causes you that much fucking damage I suggest perhaps maybe filtering his name or blacklisting the tags, you don’t gotta straight up throw a fucking fit about it ???
theres plenty of fandoms or ships or characters I don’t like or don’t give a fuck about, and you know what I do? I just filter that shit out and go about my life. do I ever in my life wanna see content about Hamilton or SuperWhoLock or whatever? No!! do I rage about it and tell people to fuck off?? No!! I just block the tags and let people vibe with whatever the fuck they want to. Even in the ST fandom there’s characters and ships I don’t care for, but do I give a single fuck if people post about them? Hell no!! I just block the tags or filter posts that are focused on things I don’t care for.
The features are free and easy to use, AND you don’t have to be a dick about it either!! Like did we forget this is a fictional universe full of fictional characters that is a tv show and not real life??? Did we forget that these characters have no actual impact on basically anything besides the way you choose to let your ideas of them affect you??
I know this is literally just me screaming into the void, and it really means nothing, but all I can think about when I see people get super fucking pissed off and ANTI (insert whatever here) is this:
#like I know it’s hypocritical of me to get mad and post about but also like wtf is wrong with some people#it’s the fucking internet#close your eyes?? log off??#anyways I had to get that out of my brain before I continued to be irritated by it#I’m sure I’ll get some anon hate or unfollowed or whatever but like#it’s a free website with free tools and options to optimize your experience#use those instead of being a dick??#anyways here’s some relevant tags so the people who actually filter tags can successfully filter this post and not see it#just like the features of this website intended#billy hargrove#harringrove#mungrove#billy x steve#billy antis dni#billy stranger things#that should cover it#anyways thanks pals!
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Massive thank you to you and everyone else who calls out how shitty it is to get mad at peoples interpretations. Sleep tokens music is romantic. Its also toxic. These statements can coexist. Its not your business if someone plays bloodsport or vore or hell even atlantic at their wedding. Youre not them, you dont know what the music means to them. If you see a weird take just roll your eyes and move on, its not a big deal. Absolutely sick and fucking tired of all these "why are you calling this romantic/sexy? Youre stupid and a terrible person!" takes like fucking relax. Media literacy is important yes. Respecting that this music is dark and personal to vessel is also important. Same goes for respecting how people relate to the music in dark ways. But as long as people are not saying things directly to vessel or fans about how their individual trauma is sexy then just chill out and respect peoples different interpretations. It sucks that i cant talk about how i view certain songs without being called horrible things and having really fucked up vitriol aimed at me. Yall need to grow the fuck up and get over yourselves. Im not thinking of your personal shit when i call a certain song romantic/sexy, i dont even know you, sometimes im thinking of my own trauma actually lol. Lets all discuss this music maturely where we respect each other and what each of us as individuals bring to the table for interpretation, stop making this fandom toxic as hell for anyone who doesnt agree 100% with your own interpretation. (Also the whole "youre not allowed to say this song is romantic/sexy" thing is very dismissive of some peoples trauma in itself, it ignores how messy someones feelings toward their abusers/toxic partners can be. Pretty fucked up to call a trauma survivor stupid or a terrible person because a song reminds them of their positive feelings towards someone who hurt them) Anyways yeah, just tired of people being so harsh because they refuse to see other peoples perspectives. I genuinely think one of the most toxic aspects of this fandom is the vitriol over different interpretations, people act like outright children at times with it im ngl, especially with more sexual discussions. It also feels infantilizing towards vessel at times, hes a grown adult who put romantic/sexy elements in his music and he doesnt need people trying to protect him from those themes. Im rambling but this stuff pisses me off so much, this fandom needs to do better
Context post for the clueless ones - regarding my tags/replies
Here's the thing - I've been in fandoms for many, many, MANY years. This type of discussion isn't anything new nor unique to Sleep Token, but it sure does make a comeback quite often. It's tiring to keep repeating the same things over and over, but that's what fandom is all about isn't it?
Someone needs to say something, and I am not one to shy away from uncomfortable conversations like these. Something something, build your own community, be the change you wanna see, etc etc.
I've said pretty much everything I wanna say already under that post, but for the sake of clarity, and because I can't keep my mouth shut apparently -
Under the cut for length - you know the drill:
Music is art. And art is subjective. Meaning, each individual will have their own personal connection and interpretation of a given piece of art, which in this case is Sleep Token's music.
Did Vessel write the songs with a certain intent or meaning? Most likely yes! It's not hard to connect the dots and guess what events/emotions might've transpired and served as inspiration for them (accuracy to personal life is irrelevant and none of our business, but it's also no rocket science to understand what's been said).
Can we establish a base meaning for any given song, or better, can we have a general consensus of what a song is about based on its lyrics and themes? Absolutely! Not every song is like that, but we can all agree there's a lot of recurring themes of past relationships and mental health struggles.
Is it wrong to diminish the songs to one basic element (eg. the sexual undertones) and/or completely disregard the bigger, more important theme? I'd say it is.
Giving Atlantic as an example (which as a lot of you know, is my most favourite song of them and very dear to me): this one has some very blatant references to suicide and depression. Regardless of whether it is based on irl events or not (none of our business!!!), it is extremely heavy and emotionally charged. I find it incredibly disrespectful when people say random stuff during the rituals when he plays this one.
Or for example, how certain people reduce Sleep Token to "baby making metal", instead of acknowledging the insane (insane!) variety of genres and the profound lyricism they present.
Should we limit our views, and by extension, those of others, to surface-level interpretation, without allowing room for different views and interpretations, either fictional lore based or not? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
Vessel himself said to "not restrict ourselves to labels or genres because music transcends it all" (paraphrasing here). It's literally their whole thing. It's very hypocritical to be shouting from the rooftops about "media literacy" and assuming people are stupid or idiots for not understanding the basic, surface-level meaning of a song, when Vessel himself constantly writes in metaphors and half-truths.
I've touched on this a lifetime ago on one of my analysis, but if you *actually* look at the lyrics, you'll realise Vessel hardly ever says what he means. There's always something else behind his words, something he purposefully keeps hidden. It really sneaks upon you sometimes! I'm over a year in and I still find something new everyday on their music. That man has a way to weave in a hundred and one statements under a single sentence, that is just truly beautiful to study.
Is, say, The Love You Want, about a man (Vessel) mourning the fact that his love isn't reciprocated? Yeah! Is it about someone who, despite knowing they can never receive from their lover the attention and affection and care they want, will stay by their side anyways? It is!
Is it about bitterness, spiteful accusations aimed at the one person who should love you fully? Or a reflection of how little self-regard the singer has, so much that they are willingly and actively choosing to stay in a sinking one-sided relationship, because the alternative is too painful to bare? Can you flip the switch and see it as someone who is obsessively pursuing another person, and painting themselves as a victim? All of this, yes!
You can even eliminate the romantic aspect all together and apply it to a relationship with the self (past or future, or an alter ego), or a parental figure. The options are endless. There isn't one universal truth when it comes to music, and as such, all of these takes are 100% correct.
Many statements can be true at the same time - it doesn't make one more true or correct than the other. Simply different. The way we connect with music is very much dictated by our own life experiences, and no two people have lived the exact same life.
Can you prefer a certain way to look at a song, or completely disagree with certain takes? Absolutely! I know I sure as hell do! That's normal and expected and part of the fun in being in a community such as ours. More people means more ways to look at a song - isn't that just wonderful?!
Now, this is very obvious for most of us, but some people, especially in the younger rage, have been taught to look at things in a very black and white way. Not to be that person, but the truth is that the rise in awareness of social issues and "pc-ness", is slowly starting to eliminate the possibility of things being flawed and nuanced.
If you're wrong, you're awful. If you're right, you're obnoxious. Made a mistake? Get cancelled. Grow from your mistakes, but not like that. Learn from your actions, but change your whole personality in a day otherwise you're problematic.
You know what I mean.
Life isn't black and white. Art isn't black and white. Music isn't black and white. What may seem like a toxic, dark, obsessive depiction of a relationship to you, might translate to the deepest and most truest of loves to me. I can acknowledge something is Not Right, while still drawing my own conclusions.
Is Blood Sport a sad af song? Yeah! Definitely not the first thing I'd think of when in a happy relationship. But maybe that's the point. And maybe I do. And that's okay, and none of anyone's business. "Okay but The Apparition isn't a good example of a healthy and romantic-" TO YOU! Maybe that's what love looks like to me! Maybe I just happen to be into it! And what about it?
Maybe to me love comes with all the ugly sides too. The violence, the despair, the self-doubt. Who are you to dictate what I can or can't think? I highly doubt Vessel would go 🗣️ "WRONG! NO! ABSOLUTELY NOT! >:::(", so why would you?
You can, and should, discuss the songs with others! Maybe some people do genuinely need a fresh pair of eyes to help them get to the juicy core of the songs - that's why we're here! To discuss, and exchange ideas! You can, and should, call people out when their engagement with the music is being harmful to others (joking and laughing during Missing Limbs? No bueno. Speculating about Vessel's personal life? VERY no bueno. Choosing a potentially weird song to walk down the aisle? None of your business + not your wedding + you weren't even invited + none of your business. Notice how I've been repeating that. Notice again).
You shouldn't, however, shame and ridicule others for having different views from you.
I think, rather than engaging in pointless discussions and start accusing people of being this or that, we should all exercise a little "don't like? scroll past". Is it harming you or others? No? Then scroll past! Is it an awful, truly horrendous take about something you're really passionate about? Okay! Disgusting! Scroll past! Good for them! 👍
Also - keep an open mind. We're all doing this living businesse for the first time, no one holds all the answers to everything. It's okay to change your mind. It's okay to say the wrong thing and backtrack. It's okay to make a mistake and learn and grow.
You know what's not okay? Being a dick to others because the thing you like is being misinterpreted. It's hard, I know!!! You can block people! You can scroll past! You can look at pictures of your favourite vessel and cleanse your brain!!!! I know I do!!!!!
And this is a last afterthought but - you don't get to complain about the fandom you're in if you're doing nothing to change that. I see many, maaaaany of you bitch about this and that, while having 0 engagement aside from the bitching. Like?? Maybe if you spent more time reblogging cool art or gifs and less time whining about literally everything, this would be a much more pleasant space!! And I DO get to be a little petty here because I sure do try my best to make this a fun and nice community. I am allowed a little bitching 😌
Anyways, tl/dr: don't be a dick; don't like - don't engage; keep an open mind; gaze upon the vessels. Peace and love yall 💙💫
#i think i may have gotten a little carried away but! you get the gist#very rich of me saying don't like - scroll past while engaging in Discourse™ i know 🙄#but. well. i kind of really really don't like this whole “you bad me right” attitude some people assume when talking about certain topics#(and this goes for both the recent discussions of the referenced post and the whole identity reveal thing)#is it too much to ask for a little respect? dang it#i swear december is a cursed month for Sleep Token and fans. last year we had iii's absence + the Wembley situash + THAT WHOLE THING in here#(remember that? lmaoooooo)#and now we're repeating the exact same thing? cmon guys. euclid. break the dang bough already and be someone new#i said i wouldn't get pissy but here we are LMAOOO HYPOCRIT NUMBER 1 IS ME!!!#in my defense. i couldn't not say anything about that Espera thing 😤 my queens. my lieges.#and this. well. i am just annoyed enough to engage 🥰#ANYWAYS!!#gonna schedule this and go honk shoo some more#i wanna be peaceful eeping while ~this~ goes live 💙 muwah#sleep token#darya is unhinged#<- it warrants the writing tag#darya answers#anon ask
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I really like the nuanced take about Zutara and why it makes some people uncomfortable and I can see both sides of it. I ship Zutara now but at first I didn’t and it made me really uncomfortable but I think it was just because of certain fan content I was coming across. Some people do portray Zutara in an extremely fetishized & creepy Stockholm syndrome way that makes Katara come off like some helpless damsel stereotype. It made me feel really gross thinking about as a young WOC but rewatching the show and seeing the true dynamic of these characters made me fall in love with them again. So I guess my feeling is that in canon i really love the dynamic but I hate the way *certain fans* twist it and refuse to acknowledge the racism & misogyny in what they’re doing
this is a complicated topic with many layers to it but first - i am sorry if you have ever felt unwelcome in the zutara fandom due to experiences with racism/misogyny.
it would be ignorant to claim that the zutara fandom is somehow uniquely unaffected by systemic racism or sexism, but it would also be disingenuous to claim that these issues only exist in certain parts of the atla fandom. racism, sexism, and general bigotry exist in every fandom due to institutionalized inequality in social structures. and to make it clear, i'm not directing this criticism towards you, anon, you are entitled to your own personal experiences, but i have seen a broader trend of people attempting to use fandom racism to moralize their position in ship wars, which is diminishing from the actual problem - the focus should be on acknowledging the existence of fandom racism/sexism, combatting implicit biases, and creating spaces that can uplift marginalized voices, rather than focusing only on optics in an attempt to gain moral high ground in a silly *fictional* ship war.
however, given all this, the reason that i am still in the zutara fandom is because i appreciate how many people in the fandom are dedicated to unpacking issues of racism and sexism and cultural insensitivity in atla's source material, which i personally haven't seen in many other sides of the fandom (that often sanitize what actually happened in the text to avoid acknowledging these issues in their favorite show). of course this is a broad generalization, but that's generally why i stick with the non-canon shipping side of the fandom because fans that are willing to stray away from canon are often less afraid to engage in critical analysis.
i also do think the zutara fandom has come a long way from the early 2000s when the show first aired. for example, when i first joined the fandom i had mixed feelings on fire lady katara, but i have since read some fanfics that have done an excellent job deconstructing some of the problematic ways that this trope could be interpreted and balancing respect for katara's cultural heritage and autonomy with the political and personal difficulties of being involved with an imperialist/colonialist nation. the fire lady katara trope, capture!fic, and other complicated topics/tropes are almost never inherently racist/sexist, but rather, their execution is what matters. and all this is not to say that issues of systemic racism/sexism do not still exist in this fandom, but it personally has not significantly negatively impacted my experience in the zutara fandom due to the wonderful content that so many other fantastic people produce, though everyone's mileage may differ with what they are comfortable with. anon, i hope that you are able to find a place in the zutara fandom for you! but i also know many people that have stepped back from other fandoms due to experiences with racism/misogyny, so i understand that decision as well.
on a final note, i think it's important to acknowledge that fandom doesn't exist in a vacuum and broader issues of racism and sexism are rooted in the media, the entertainment industry, and mainstream societal norms. while i do sometimes focus on fandom dynamics/discourse in my criticisms, i think it is equally as important to acknowledge how issues of prejudice and inequality are perpetuated through larger social structures, which is why it frustrates me when the atla fandom refuses to acknowledge the flaws of the original show, which has far more influence and social power over the general public than discourse over fandom tropes ever will. personally, i don't understand the phenomenon of holding fan-made material to a higher standard than mainstream media.
#zutara#atla#atla fandom critical#atla critical#zuko#katara#racism#sexism#and i hope it's clear that i am not condoning racism/sexism in fan material - but i do think it's hypocritical to ignore the foundations#of this that is built into the source material#anon ask#my asks#my post
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if we're talking personality disorders (of the cluster b variety). obvi its not 1=1 but its far more likely and reasonable to say toga has bpd (with izuku or ochako being her "favorite person") than aspd. also when people call villains (or characters they don't like (← seen this one more than the first tbh)) "unsympathetic psychopaths", it really feels like they know nothing about aspd, personality disorders, and how they form. It also just feels kind of ableist towards real people with aspd? idk maybe i'm seeing things that's aren't there
These people know that aspd (and other personality disorders) form due to outside factors right? obvi there's the genetic factors but that just increases the possibility. these outside factors typically tends to be factors that is in some way traumatic for the person in question like emotional/mental abuse or neglect (*gestures to dabi*)
if anything, based off of that alone, toga being a "psychopath" just makes her more sympathetic in my eyes and people around her even more unsympathetic than they already are and I doubt anyone calling her a "psychopath" without aspd in mind wants that
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this is also how i feel about people needless throwing around the word "narcissistic"* when it comes describing bakugo. (saying this as someone isn't a fan of him). bakugo with npd** could make him a more interesting if written correctly*** tbh and could probably be backed up in canon but in turn it would force people to seriously think and question if he actually had a good childhood and good parents… which from what i've seen alot of anti-bakugo people (including the ones that call him a "narcissistic") believe he has
*i'm sure there's bakugo stans out there call him "narcissistic" without npd in mind but atm i've only seen bakugo antis do that
**same with aspd
***without portraying bakugo as an ableist stereotype and/or excusing his actions
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sorry abt the rant i'm just tired of the demonization surrounding personality disorders
You're definitely correct anon in saying that people tend to use words they either don't know the full meaning of or just mental health issues to demonise characters they don't like and this is a problem within all fandoms I have interacted with not only MHA.
When people use the words "psychopath" or "narcissist" it's rare to see them using it in the right context as most of the time it's used to demonise a character. For example take atla I have seen plenty of people label azula a psychopath but they do that to demonise and dehumanise her not to actually say that she is mentally ill. The same thing is done with characters like toga, Dabi, shigaraki and more!
Now I know that you're mainly quoting of the ask that @sapphic-agent sent me and actually she has made it clear that she doesn't view toga as psychopath and actually brought light to the issue of people dehumanising and purposefully misinterpreting the leauge. Now I don't know much about aspd in general but from what I have seen toga does seem to have some symptoms of aspd but it also makes sense to speculate that she may have BPD (none of this is cannonically confirmed but they would make for some interesting headcanons). Also like you mentioned it would be incredibly interesting to explore how toga got to such a mental state in the first place as mental health issues can happen to a variety of reasons for example or could be an environmental or social issue as we see that toga wasn't given the right support at home and was taught to simply build a mask and burry her urges deep down until it all broke and she broke, toga associated blood and cannibalism with love and self expression from early on. Also, it could be a biological factor since toga was born with a strong fascination for blood.
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Overall, toga and her mental state is heavily influenced from all of those factors and it would be interesting if she was cannoncially diagnosed and had that be explored in depth.
However, mha does already have a character who is heavily implied to be mentally ill which is twice. Twice is heavily implied within the show to suffer from DID (dissociative identity disorder) and I think the way horikoshi presents this is really interesting it's to the point that it's incredibly integral to twice's character whether that be his name or what his quirk is.
We see exactly how his mental state worsens in his backstory and how he has reached his breaking point multiple times. Twice is also presented as the most redeemable of the leauge and we see that even with that the system doesn't care for him as twice mercilessly kills him even though he had a high and good chance of being saved and redeemed.
I do wish that hori spent a bit more time delving deeper into twice and developing him before killing him off while also making his death have a long lasting impact between characters (specifically the league)
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I think what's interesting is that hori doesn't demonise jin for his mental issues but addresses them in a serious manner and a lot of the scenes where we do see him struggling we are able to feel a lot of sympathy for him.
This ends up being the exact opposite of what people usually do by demonising mental health and using it to dehumanise characters. Horikoshi uses it to humanise his characters whether that be twice who struggles with DID or tamaki who struggles with social anxiety. These issues are brought to light and aren't a one time thing but it's something that's integral to their character.
Now, moving onto my final comment : yep it's bakugo!
I admit that I have seen many bakugo antis and critiques label bakugo as a narcissist. I also believe that they don't inherently speak of the mental disorder when labeling him in such a way but use the word in exchange of other terms for bakugo like self 'absorbed' or 'selfish' or 'only cares for himself' etc.
Now, I agree this is bad and shouldn't be done. I do however want to offer my own view on this subject (iam also a big bakugo critic/anti) I personally don't think that bakugo suffers from Narcissistic personality disorder and I don't think that mitsuki is abusive towards her son.
I think that the scene with mitsuki hitting bakugo was played in a comedic light. This is the only scene we see mitsuki act aggressive towards bakugo in the whole manga while in the other scene she expresses concern over her son (for example katsuki doesn't like rain etc). I think @delawaredetroit post surrounding this has the best explanation
I also want to add the fact that bakugo feels comfortable enough to sit next his mother. He is right in between his parents (he could of sat away from her closer to his father if he wanted to but he didnt). Bakugo also feels comfortable enough to express himself in such a manner whether that be him calling his mother "hag" or also shouting at her when he is equally pissed off.
I do think that because the manga had already made it clear that abuse was a theme that was in the story and gave us an example of abuse (the todoroki family) that many did raise their heads at this scene and may of been concerned that this is abuse when it's not but its hard to spot since it's being presented in such a weird manner.
You do have a point bakugo's behaviour comes from somewhere and that's not talked about enough. I personally think that horikoshi didn't explore how society influenced bakugo's behaviour and his raging quirkless discrimation (maybe it's because hori didn't want to paint bakugo in such a bad light so he didn't make him prejudiced against the quirkless and didn't explore the theme of quirkless discirmation that he implemented into the story). There is also the superiority and inferiority complexes that bakugo seems to have that could be a result of a mixture of factors (biological, social and environmental) Now his brash behaviour could come biologically from his mother and it turned worse due to his environment where he was built up to be this guy who had everything so he should be happy as he fits into the status quo.
Tldr: mental health shouldn't be used as an excuse but it also shouldn't be used to demonise characters either.
#mha#bnha#thanks for the ask#thanks for the ask!#thanks anon#thanks anon!#anti fandom#fandom critical#twice#my hero acedamia#my hero academia#toga#bakugo critical#boku no hero academia#asks#yeah its deffo a trend to demonise characters by using mental illnesses#i dont think people do recongise that though#since the words psychopath and narcissist are thrown around very casually#almost as if its equal to the word hypocrite#props to hori here#i know i critique him a lot but i give credit where its due#anti bakugo#anti bakugou#tagging to be safe#horikoshi critical
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songs of leonard cohen fall anyone? various positions fall? new skin for the old ceremony fall? songs of love and hate fall?
#leonard cohen#music#thank you to anon for reminding me i can listen to leonard cohen discography anytime i want :)#assigning season themed trends is fine when i do it by the way <- hypocrite and hater
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the thing that fucks me up about zosopp is that while Zoro gets more serious and jokes around less as the series goes on, Usopp is still a little jokester. He still tells stories and plays with Luffy and Chopper- he knows when to get serious, but he also knows when to have fun.
And I bet it eats him up inside, seeing the man he loves slowly lock that part of himself away for the sake of being a strong and unwavering presence for the crew. How Zoro is constantly burdened with thoughts of how to keep the crew alive- how to best train to keep his crew alive. How he doesn't leave room for much else.
He makes room for Usopp though. For their crew- their family. And Usopp vows (hopes) to force him to make room for fun, too.
#one piece#roronoa zoro#usopp#zosopp#nemotime#just. its the funny guy x serious guy ship i cant NOT think about this#especially Post-Timeskip my god Zoro needs a good bellyaching laugh#quiet moments together has Usopp quote unquote 'trying out new jokes on Zoro' which is TECHNICALLY true#but he's not testing them out he's just trying to make Zoro laugh and loosen up more#the opposite side of this is Zoro trying to slow Usopp down with naps and also get him to focus more on the now rather than the what-ifs#they're both hypocrites but they're also really sweet#man that one zosopp anon really got me on a kick the last few hours#tbh this could be platonic too; seeing one of your best buddies like that would fuck anyone up
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why do you hate Joshua Graham or Honest Hearts so much?
This DLC and character represents a bigger issue with fandom spaces I have but particularly fallout fandom in general.
Fallout tends to tackle a lot of topics controversial and not. The first two games it’s heavy cause they are the most satirical and direct with how anti-war, nationalism and etc… they are. 3 loses this as it’s very clear once you play or learn about all the games that Todd and a bunch of guys at Bethesda just liked the 50s post apocalyptic aesthetic and refuse to actually critique the ideals of the time period like the earlier titles.
New Vegas is the game that really gets back into it a degree it almost seems like it’s taking too much on. There are things done exceedingly well while other things are done horribly wrong . I’ve made posts about it before and plan to make a big series of posts (it’s a lot of writing) but my biggest gripe is with Honest Hearts and all the gross and white savior esque depictions it has of indigenous peoples. The entirety if FNV does not do the injustices faced by indigenous people correctly on any count. My two biggest complaints are with the Khans and the tribes in Zion but I’ll talk about the former on a different post.
Both characters of Daniel and Joshua are the most accurate depiction of white saviors I’ve seen and I hate how the DLC tries to justify and defend them. The DLC treats Joshua like this man who has repented for his past actions when he is just retracing his steps after his cruelty bit him in the ass. He was one of the worst parts of the Legion and it is all but explicitly stated that if you don’t force him to be non-violent he will turn the tribes of Zion into the legion 2.0. The Dead Horses and the Sorrows are horribly infantilized by both Daniel and Joshua who both use them for self serving purposes guised by religious duty. The White Legs are the horrible stereotype of violent and savage indigenous and I personally think a lot of their interlinking with Ulysses, his hair and Ulysses character in general are distasteful and very telling of how BIPOC or POC where involved.
But outside of the game it’s the weird obsession people have with these characters ideologies and trying to make them seem more interesting/philosophical than they are. Tumblr is an echo chamber and many fans of Fallout are not the people on this site. Many people are not educated in the issues these characters convey and how poorly they do or used these characters as a poor introduction for their takes. Contrary to what a lot of people believe in, fallout has a prediomeny white cis male fanbase. More importantly a large portion of the fanbase is white.
You can joke how FNV made you trans or see the numbers on post/fics or diverse headcanons but these are kiddy numbers compared to the millions that consume the franchise and aren’t in those more aware spaces or don’t engage in the spaces the same way someone like me does/has to. Their views shape a lot more than people realize and it’s exhausting to be in a space where people don’t correct the more subtle yet toxic aspects of it but also adopt them into some weird quirky view point on the characters or issues. Some people don’t realize and some people don’t care.
My main issue is just the idolizing of these sort of thing in this fandom space and people try to acts like a game like fallout whose tagline is “War never changes” and has never had a game not revolve around political or militaristic factions issues isn’t that deep or doesn’t relate to real issues. I think it’s mainly caused by how over powered you can become and how you can strong arm your way past these learning moments as majority of people who play this game do play it as a power fantasy where they can do so as they please (which of course, go ahead it’s fun) but never take in parallels or lessons in the story as if it was just another first person shooter.
Also like another personal gripe is Cazadores spawn like hell whenever I’m there and I have not found a mod that works to mod them out so I have to play Indigenous Racism the DLC while getting jumped by giant wasps WHILE helping Mormons. Like I cannot catch a break.
#I’m mostly silly or character headcanon focused on this blog#but sometimes I forget some people literally have never interacted with someone slightly outside of their ideologies or don’t learn about#philosophies that don’t pertain to their view point and actively block them out#and so I have like a meltdown and occasionally post about it cause like I see more people hate Danse for regurgitating BoS teachings than#hate Joshua Graham who helped found the legion participated in their practices and still has this weird bloodlust#like make it make sense why do you like this white man genuinly like outside of his aesthetic#I can say silly shit about them hit it’s always I think it’s surreal they even exist while others genuinely wish they did so they could fix#them and some of all don’t realize how quickly jokes lead people down rabbit holes and pipe lines cause ur not gonna see posts even pitying#that man in here#like when I defend Danse it is through the signs and events in game that show he is not stuck in his ways and possibly only adopted those#beliefs because of his tramatic events with super mutants and the bos being very anti anything not human#their are affinity reaction that concern this while Joshua like moans yes when killing the white legs and is always polishing his gun goon#pile like I’ve learned too much about him the Mormon faith and that dlc to be told I’m playing favorites he is not fixable or repentent#this fandom has one of the worst issues of he’s my fave so he can’t do wrong when some of this characters are literal unapologetic rapist#racists or individuals who condone or perpetuate like ideas and concepts like obviously I’m gonna not like them????!#like I still think it’s interest to dissect them and I try so hard to not be a hypocrite but sometimes it’s like the whole this is just a#fun thing for you but like be aware of what you are taking in and reflect like is so important fiction can slowly seep into your morals#I’m rambling and losing track of shit so imma stop here before I reach the tag limit but again dm and ask cause this is the stuff I will#blab about#horrible at normal conversation tho#fallout#fallout new vegas#joshua graham#honest hearts#ask#anon#fallout 3
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Almost every character now has some messed up origin behind it, by being based on one of Vivienne’s enemies or altercations. Normal people don’t have enemies and a long list of people they hate.
For real. I even heard that she makes characters based off of critics. Or something.
Taylor Swift makes songs digging at her exes, but she doesn't name who. Seriously VivziePop is so butthurt that the people she hurt is busy moving on, that she has to create a character to mistreat them somehow.
Sir Pentious / DollCreep: Get pussywhipped by Alastor in the Pilot AND in the full series, have him be dragged away to get raped, and have him be used as a tool for sex from Cherri Bombs interest.
Valentino / Tyco: Make Val a rapist to Angel Dust...
Yeah, its obvious even AyyLmao the idiot who defends ViviziePop til her last dying breath confirms Val and Tyco are nearly identical.
#helluva boss#helluva boss critical#vivziepop critical#vivziepop#vivziepop criticism#helluva boss criticism#anti-vivziepop#helluva boss critique#hazbin hotel critical#hazbin hotel#anon ask#hypocritical vivziepop anon
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[Heard this place got a reset so !! Throws future key atcha :)]
Wh. Huh.
-🔑
He turned towards it, a small, static-filled sigh left him as he did. Hey, Key.. Chip is now more like Steven than ever!
“Hello there. What might you need from us today? Food? The directions to the bathroom? Whatever you have a question about, I’ll be able to answer.”
#chip answers#🔑 anon#I LIKE THIS VERSION OF CHIP MORE HE FEELSM MORE LIKE STEVEN#shows how hypocritical he is and thats SO cool......
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the idf is filled with rapists
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#Asks#anonymoose#rape tw#tw rape#antisemitism#fucking hypocrite#if rape is only bad to you when one group of people does it#your outrage means nothing#‘but but but it was retaliation!’#innocent women were rape tortured mutilated and burned alive#*raped#they have their breasts cut off and hamas soldiers played with them#their mutilated bodies were paraded through the street#BABIES WERE MUTILATED AND MURDERED#WOMEN WERE TAKEN AS SEX SLAVES#if none of that bothers you bc you believe al jazeera’s easily disproven lies#then I don’t give a flying fuck what you’re upset about anon#rot in piss dumb bitch#I hope this pisses you off and it festers inside you all day#because I know you’re obsessed enough to read every single tag
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