I think it's also interesting to see how things change depending on the time in which they're being engaged with. so I see things about rose today that point out that she's written to be 19 when she meets the doctor and that's a big age difference (which... I understand the point is it's a big age difference because billie piper was 23 and eccleston was 40, and then dtennant was like 34/35 when he started which isn't so big of a shift but anyway the optics I get what people are getting at, but also I think it does oversimplify a lot of what's actually going on in the written dynamic, anyway-)
and also that the rtd run's Themes start coming together properly around s3 (although they are present from day one), and in some ways at this point, because nu!who has been running for... fuckn. actually quite a few years, which is wild to me as someone who started watching as a kid, and I wonder if classic!who fans felt the same way about their show and anyway -- she shifts from being Literally The First Companion You'd Seen For 17 Years (not counting the movie and fan things and the sketch) Who Was Defining A New Era For A New Generation to... a companion
comparable to other companions, comparable to the rest of the show
we sift through the writing to see what worked and what didn't (in our opinion), and we know how the ten-and-rose storyline Really ends, and how the ten storyline ends (sort, of because now that doctor and donna are Back), and we know what happens afterwards, and we talk about tenrose with a 2020s eye, and rose is "just" one of the people that travels with the doctor, one of several, and notably the one who gets most of the sunshiney doctor that buries a lot of the (wonderfully portrayed) angst of the latter half of the rtd show, and doesn't have as much lore as everything after that, so the story is "just" more simple overall
and to me she's kind of incapable of being just that. doctor who was still a risk that first season, it wasn't a done deal that it would have legs at all, never mind that it would continue for as long as it has. rose was created to be the Face of what nu!who was, moreso than nine/eccleston, because even with the extra angst and the eccleston gravitas, we know the doctor, the doctor is established, it's not actually the doctor that needs to sell what the new show is going to become and what the Feel of that new show is going to be (I mean, partly ofc, but-)
rose was doing so much heavy lifting and she succeeded! she was the face of who before dtennant or any other doctor or companion of his era and subsequent eras. she was created to appeal to a demographic of girls who wanted someone relatable in science fiction, because rtd wanted this to be for the girls, and billie piper came into it off the back of being a popstar and it changed her entire trajectory (for the better I think/hope -- there's a lot of bad shit in billie piper's past and I'm always sending her a fond thought)
nine/ten-and-rose were It! not calling it romantic or platonic or any secret third thing (haunting the narrative), but simply It! that's why it has so much staying power as a ship (which, my opinion on shipping has been somewhat *eh shrug* in later years, but in early-days when that was how you engaged with dynamics that got to you, of course it was going to be massive). it's so hard to properly describe how "for the time in which it was made" that this dynamic was written for, and how successful it was. it was rose that breathed doctor who -- and the doctor's character -- to life, as much as herself
she sets the stage for everything that comes next, both within and without the show proper
and I'm always so pleased that rtd at the time was thinking about what was needed to create this character and he opened with a shot from a girl on the estate with messy hair, clumpy eyeliner, and a minimum wage job, and went "that's the girl who's going to go on the adventure of a lifetime, that's the girl we're seeing the story through and relating to, because that's what girls (and uh... those who were girls at the time - and their parents and the boys) should be seeing."
I know rose isn't the first working class companion including classic!who, but she set the tone for nu!who and her family and background are important to why she is who she is, and is explored
"I've got no A-levels, no job, no future-" said the girl about to see the universe
she was very much for teenagers, and so she reads differently when you're an adult watching it back (much like those "teenager saves the world," novels you loved as a kid), but that's why she's 19 at the beginning. that's why she's billie piper (who does a perfect job). she was there to bring a new generation into this story, and it was perfect. and then she grows up. and we grew up. and she had adventures and it was brilliant and she survived and she made a life for herself. that's her story
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I’ve seen some people talk about how “Willow made Hunter feel worse” after she showed him the picture of him and Flapjack, and that she should apologize to him and that’s just… not really how I read that scene?
Hunter feels AWFUL. His best friend just gave up his life for Hunters and he just… misses Flapjack. It hasn’t fully sunken in yet that Flapjack is gone from him. Not only that, but Hunter only has his memories to remember him by. He wasn’t even awake when Flapjack gave his life! It’s really tough handling this all, and of course he uses his anger towards Belos to cope.
I don’t think Willow giving him the picture made it worse, but I also don’t think it made it better. I think Hunter genuinely meant what he said- he wasn’t sure if he was okay or not. A picture of the two of them is wonderful to have! It’s something physical! It’s nice to see his best friend again! But god, it still hurts. He JUST lost him.
Willow saw this conflict and apologized immediately. She says that she didn’t MEAN to make matters worse- and of course she genuinely means it. She removes herself from the situation, not because she wants others to feel pity or whatever people are saying, but because she doesn’t want to do EVEN MORE damage than she believes she has. What else could she have done in that situation with her state of mind? Willow had already been slowly breaking down, and now she believes that she just totally screwed up with Hunter. Removing yourself from a situation when your mind is in such a mess of a state is OKAY TO DO.
I don’t think Willow needs to apologize because she already did. She did the best she could in that situation given the circumstances. I DONT think she was making the situation about herself (unintentionally or not). I think all of these statements are a REACH and that Willow handled the situation just fine, especially with her own feelings taking place.
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my watcher Rona!!!
i've been meaning to draw her again!
when i first played pillars i was in 8th grade, i think, and i REALLY loved the game but i admittedly did not understand everything. i think i would love it so much more now, but i'm not letting Rona go, so i might replay with her as my watcher again...
AND THIS TIME I'M GOING TO PLAY A ROUGE CORRECTLY! THIS TIME SHE WON'T BE USED LIKE A TANK AND GO DOWN EVERY COMBAT!
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