#hawkfrost winds of change

[jayadwal]

I love hawkfrost flirting with everyone

[grumpytoby]

If we don't do somethin', we'll be stuck up in the mud again

[kritterjitter]

reread Winds of Change

[krypt0sfact0r]

Winds of Change redraws I Love you Mudclaw

[artaintfartwarriors]

[wolfa-battlecats-designs]

hawk-frost and maple-shade pls?

Hotfrost!! There he is!

Sorry for the delay, Art fight happened :]

Normal design -> animation friendly

‼️UPDATES‼️ Please read below ⬇️

I'm opening commissions, sadly my dog passed away, and 2 of my cats are currently sick.

The bills alone for the cremation and euthanesia of my dog is 300€, and I dont even want to know how much the bills for the cats will add.

I would like to buy a new graphic tablet for school, so I'm opening comms to be able to afford it. I'm linking my carrd for anyone interessted!

https://wolfascomissions.carrd.co

Another thing, I will update Lionheart design and make him a bit duller like the comic adaptation of TPB.

[manthemoth]

Doing redraws of some of the manga / graphic novel panels!! First had to be this one For obvious reasons

[diaswarriorcats]

a bonus design! Mr. Frosty Man premiered today so here's the aforementioned cold guy! happy hawk-lidays!

[chimken-nugget]

not trying to turn this into a warrior cats blog but i have to say, one of my favourite pieces of warrior cats media has to be the Cats of the Clans Field Guide.

Genuinely, this field guide acknowledges some of the biggest gripes I've had with the warrior cat series (and through the perspective of Rock !!).

Also, it's just super well written (imo, at least) and the art is gorgeous ????? The idea of the reader being in the perspective of 3 starclan kits talking to Rock is actually so peak.

Of course, we have the usual continuity errors that appears in almost every book post-TPB, and some stuff did not age well lorewise, but i don't think the writing team ever really thinks that far ahead for the lore to be properly coherent anyways.

I'm just going to share a few of my favourite things about this book, though i do recommend reading it yourselves.

Warning: Massive wall of text below

- Rock being unbiased towards any clan. One of the few books where I didn't feel like it was leaning towards one clan more than the other. Having each clan be represented by the 3 straclan kits (mosskit for river/thunder, blossomkit for shadow, adderkit for wind) is such a smart move. Any biases are portrayed through the kits themselves.

- Rock has these moments where he openly criticises the clans for the way they tend to consider themselves better than non-clan cats. He says that there have been better cats to exist who were never involved with clan life. It was honestly so refreshing to see this weird supremacy stuff get acknowledged.

- Rock also acknowledges that starclan is flawed. Throughout the book he wonders whether they have biases and mentions how strange it is that shadowclan keeps getting messed up by starclan (e.g. the nightstar situation). He also mentions how faith in starclan isn't everything.

ALSO ALSO, quote from the book: 'For once I believe Starclan has acted in every Cat's best interest'

"FOR ONCE",, I love Rock.

My only wish is that leafpool getting doomed by starclan (and the narrative) could've been acknowledged. However, this book was pre-OOTS perspective, so leafpool had not yet reached fully doomed status.

- Rock wonders whether tigerstar ever looks at hawkfrost and remember his persecution of halfclan cats (this drove me insane while reading TNP i am so glad it has been pointed out here)

- Something that stood out to me so, so much as well is the way Rock points out, and criticises how overlooked Sandstorm is and how she tends to be reduced to simply being the mother of Firestar's kits. Rock is a no. 1 sandstorm fan, and i agree with him.

- Rock's disdain of spottedleaf being in Firestar's business is so true. Thank you Rock for speaking on what the authors would later forget.

- Rock calls Tallstar's last-minute deputy change foolish. Tallstar is one of my favourite characters, but even I have to agree with this.

- PRINCESS SITS ON THE FENCE AND STILL WONDERS TO THIS DAY WHETHER HER KIN ARE SAFE

Genuinely, what ?? Did the Erin Hunter team actually just decide to sit down that day and properly (kinda) consider all the flaws of the characters they created.

idc what anyone says, i consider majority of what this field guide says to be canon LOL

[the-owl-tree]

Actually sorry *pulls over chalkboard* I think warriors should've leaned into the idea of how in a, for a lack of a better word, warrior culture where strength is valued and being a leader of your culture is considered the most honorable thing you can do how living up to your parents legacy is a pressure to conform to that culture.

Arc one sets it up. Fire is new to the clan, he questions the culture, he manages to break some standards, but in the end he is assimilated. This is paralleled by Tiger, who was raised in the clans culture and is the most extreme of "I must be strong I must be a leader like my father and forefather before me".

Arc 2 sets up the consequences of this culture. Bramble feels ostracized from his clan because no matter how hard he tries to be the strong, noble warrior, he always has that shadow of his father looming over him. Meanwhile Hawkfrost shows up put of seemingly nowhere in RiverClan and is the paragon of clan culture virtues: he's a strong, driven warrior who strives to lead his clan. (Not to mention Tawny and Moth, who have both rejected the Tiger legacy and made a bame for themselves). I think for the next part of this what is now an au to work, Bramble also has to reject the Tiger legacy and the trappings of clan culture in general post-fox trap, ultimately stepping down from his deputy position and most warrior duties. In a way, he ends up a kitsitter, healer assistant, and at times advisor.

Arc 3 illustrates how clan culture treats those who reject it, such as Bramble. The 3 are still considered Bramble and Squilfs kits, but Bramble is their primary caretaker and Squilf is more their mother in name. They might also be each others beards. The 3 love Bramble, but see the way the clans treat him for breaking out of clan culture and strive to prove themselves more "worthy" than him. Lion attempts this by being the most battle ready and vicious warrior he can. Jay strives to prove to the clans that a blind cat can be a warrior (and ultimately, realizes that he can find joy in being a healer). Poor Holly, however, falls for the same pitfall that once tempted her father and uncle. She craves power, desires to prove that she can be the perfect warrior, deputy, and leader. When she discovers the truth of her parentage, it breaks her. She's no longer just the daughter of a craven, weak warrior (in her eyes), but now she's the daughter of a half clan, healer love affair. It breaks her, so she reveals the horrid truth and winds up in the tunnels, presumed dead. Her family, (and a pregnant Cinderheart), retreat into themselves and find solace in each other.

Arc 4 finishes up the idea of having to live up to your parents legacy (somehow). Ivy and Dove are born to Cinder and a presumed dead Holly. At this point ThunderClan is daddy issues central. Lion and Jay have a better relationship with Bramble (who did know), but there's still some tension. Following Holly's "death", the Firekin kinda... lost faith. Firestar still needs to hold up the thunderclan ideal, but Sand, their kids, and Bramble Lion and Jay are less inspired to hold up the clan culture ideal and more interested in the softer aspects: caring for their Clan, teaching the youngins, so on and so forth. Dove is more willing to follow this new ideal. Yes, she can be vicious and rude and is still dangerous, but she spent a lot of time with Grandpa Bramble and Uncle Lion and they've rubbed off on her. Ivy was raised as such too and they had the save effect, but apprenticeship changed that. Firestar wanted Bramble to mentor one of them, but he refused, suggesting Lion instead. Lion did mentor Dove, but Ivy ended up with the more traditionalist Thornclaw. This only worsened the influence of Hawk in the dark forest. I'm not entirely sure how this ends, but I know there needs to be some kind of reckoning with holly and her kids, and I think a thunderclan new wave culture exodus ft Moth, Breeze and Nightcloud. I started this ask at like 9:50 and it's 1:15

this RULES!!!!!!!! i'm absolutely eating up cinderholly! dove & ivy

this makes me crave more sort of emphasis on lineage, like lords underneath the king. the books already put emphasis on it but it would be cool if these lineages had power or at least social clout attached to them. they try to make it seem like they do but they never really...actually do it lol very NEAT au i am very interested :3

[duckwhistle]

Seven Feathers - HawkLeaf

I'm... gonna change some of these designs maybe.

Leafpool and Hawkfrost fell in love as Leafpaw was still, by name, an apprentice. She liked his ambition, and that little bit of Mothwing he has in him. He just liked her naivety, and the fact she was related to the leader. The same leader he tried to kill to get his brother in power, a plan that Leafpool and Mothwing had to stop, with Mothwing driving a pick in his heart. But, she was already bearing Half-clan Medic kittens, no matter if he was dead. Sparkstorm- the one who, by what everyone says, looks the most like her grandpa Firestar. Her jolly, insatiable curiosity is only rivaled by her ability to seemingly run for miles without being stopped, something she describes as "lightnings" hitting her legs and giving her all that energy.

Aldernose- the most anxious out of all of his siblings, he never wanted to become a Warrior, terrified at just the idea of fighting so the senior warrior (and great uncle) Twigtail (Longtail) took him under his wing to work in his garden. There, he seemed to thrive better, even helping in Medic duties from time to time, especially enjoying hunting for herbs, for he seems to have a knack for orienting himself.

Lionbloom- in Thunderclan, the spunky and confident Lionpaw seemed to have all the signs of a future Warrior, as he excelled in fighting, his blows knocking the wind out of his opponents immediately. But, abruptly, he ran into the Medicine Den in the night, not far from his ceremony, and asked to be made a Medic apprentice. Now, while working towards it, he's become snappier, but more somber, even malinconic at times. Yet, he now seems to have trouble tending to wounds without flinching...

Willowshine- Riverclan was so glad, after their Medic revealed she could not communicate to Starclan, they received an apprentice that was seemingly so easily connected to their ancestors. And even better, she seemed to always know what to say to cheer some poor cat up, from her patients to other cats who were ready to fight her clanamates over the border.

[halogenwarrior]

I feel like the fair criticisms of Mudclaw's portrayal in Winds of Change are both that he goes to StarClan and gets coddled/apologized to too easily (continuing a trend of no one with interesting nuance allowed to go to the Dark Forest just because they say they do it for the good of the Clan) and that the Hawkfrost aspect edges too much into the common warriors trope of the "inherently good" cats being really just manipulated by the "inherently evil" ones when Mudclaw's far more interesting being driven by his own goals and working for Hawkfrost out of mutual benefit, but guys it is NOT an inherent flaw in the book that Mudclaw's believes that he is doing what's necessary for WindClan to overthrow a puppet ruler as opposed to the apparently preferable characterization in Onestar's Confession where he is openly like "muahaha I just want power". No the existence of a villain who internally sees themselves as right and, while ultimately wrong because of how far he goes and the fact he's driven by xenophobia, is still at least understandable in his suspicions of a very suspicious succession situation, is not inherently apology for the villain. I saw this with Leopardstar's Honor too where people lump in legitimate criticisms of the narrative coddling Leopardstar with horror at the fact that Leopardstar actually believes her actions are right. But I wish fans were better able to understand the difference between the villain/morally ambiguous protagonist internally believing themselves to be moral and right and sometimes even having arguments you can partially sympathize with (which very often like with Mudclaw makes them more interesting, it's why I really like WoC despite aforementioned flaws) and actual framing of a character by the narrative as morally better than they really are are not the same thing. And that's especially important when both occur in the same book and one gets carelessly lumped with the other.

[javaskullz]

Finally read Winds of Change and I rate it 8.5 / 10. Mudclaw is very interesting, wish there was more Hawkfrost tho. I love how manipulative he is

[troutfur]

Hawkfrost didn't really deserve the Dark Forest (especially prior to Winds of Change)

-@heathfall

strongly agree | agree | neutral | disagree | strongly disagree

What's the point of a society of warriors if they can't get away with a little political assasination for the greater good from time to time?

But like, yeah, even if "do not murder" is one of their commandments do they seriously think what Hawkfrost's trangression is that much more egregious than their other "misguided" villains? Hawkfrost is a prime target of woobyfication.

Also by "deserve" if I'm judging by my own morality nobody deserves eternal punishment so jot that down. And by my own lore reworks damnation to the dark forest requires the living to deem you unworthy, which Hawkfrost's transgressions IIRC were never actually revealed so I'd say he gets as much of a pass by Ashfur. That's how I rationalize that one particular choice.

[boilingrain]

perhaps hawkash hypokits?

I decided to try to name these hypokits, but admittedly I'm not very good with names

Colorpoint Hawkfrost go brrr. Yes I know that genetically he wouldn't be a colorpoint and would instead just carry it, but consider: I love colorpoints. I am choosing to ignore canon and saying that Tigerclawstar carries colorpoint because I am too attached to Mothwing & Hawkfrost being colorpoints

My Ashfur carries colorpoint because my Snowfur (& Bluestar but she's not relevant to this conversation) is a colorpoint so. Hypothetically he could get it from Whitestorm (I could be wrong about that but you know what? It's not like the actual series cares about genetics so I think I'm allowed to also ignore them sometimes if it means I can give a character a cool design)

I feel like Ashfur would totally name one of his kits after his mother, Brindleface. Admittedly I chose the suffix -mask based on Brindlemask being a colorpoint, so her name being so similar to Brindleface's is actually unintentional

I didn't have as solid of a name idea for the other kit, though. Ashfur would totally give a kit that he had (with anyone other than Squilf) the prefix Squirrel- but I'm not totally sure that name would fit this guy (but maybe that's the point. Maybe he's stuck with the name of someone one of his fathers was obsessed with. Maybe he winds up changing it to something new, something that's his own).

If these two were either born before Hawkfrost's death or born in an AU where Hawkfrost isn't killed at the lake by Brambleclaw (or is killed later than in canon), I think perhaps he would be named after either Mudclaw or Tigerclawstar.

Alternative prefixes could also maybe be Bramble, Tadpole, Frog, or Branch.

Anyways, I feel like both of then would wind up training in the Dark Forest at some point. Either they're training with Peepaw Tigerclawstar or they're training with Hawkfrost.

I imagine that at least one of them would be actively antagonistic towards Holly, Jay & Lion (at least during Po3 and possibly OotS). Take a look at Ashfur & Hawkfrost and tell me that at least one of them wouldn't severely fuck up their kits by using them as pawns against Squirrelflight and/or Brambleclaw.

Also they're both Polydactyl, a trait they got from Hawkfrost (who got it from Tigerclawstar)

[twotreeisland]

For fun, here's a post about how canon Warrior Cats characters would transfer into TTI!

Namely, their True Names and what edits to their titles (as their warrior cats names are, technically, not their names even though they use those 99.99% of the time). True Names tend to look more like how the Tribe did their names in canon, with the vibe more like how the fandom policed warriors names like, 12 years ago.

Fireheart, for starters! Love my guy. As a kittypet, he wouldn't have gotten a True Name! Most kittypets know of the practice, but given their unwilling subservience to humans (feirge or furies to cats) it's seen as unwise to give a kitten a true name in fear of a feirge "eating it", ie somehow learning it (cats do understand that humans cannot speak cat, but their fear of humans leads to this kind of overcorrection in terms of safety)

Fireheart's true name is given to him by Bluestar (The Blue Star in TTI) and Crone Yellowfang after they officially adopt him as their son. His is Blaze-That-Saves-The-Forest, further after the prophecy given to Crone Spottedleaf and The Blue Star. Neat!

Cloudtail (Cloudbellow, if TTI Bluestar were to name him) would get his True Name from Fireheart, Princess, and Brindleface some time into his apprenticeship: Thunder-Crashing-In-Clear-Skies! At that point he's already rowdy and loud, so that name reflects it, as well as his coat and dedication to his clan (after a brush with being caught by humans, lol)

What about some clanborn cats? Let's do Squirrelflight and Leafpool! Squirrelkit would get Red-Roaring-Mountain-Lion (she was a noisy ass kit! plus, Lionclan reference :). Plus a hope she inherits SandFire's courage and good morals.) and Leafkit gets Warmth-Despite-Dim-Skies (a further Leafstar reference, and SandFire's hopes for this quieter kit to be as heroic and courageous as her parents!)

Titles are usually less strenuously thought about--they change like the wind and while some cats get attached, the point is that they're malleable and impermanent. Cats like Halftail choose to change their title to show off a victory or a monumentious change in their lives. Yellowfang's title wasn't Yellowfang from birth, her fangs hadn't yellowed. It was Dusk, then Duskstep, and then Yellowfang when she became older (right before she was kicked from Shadowclan, actually). Some cats change their suffix to a fallen loved ones prefix, or shuck their suffix after a deeply impactful event. Brambleclaw is one of these cats! After killing Hawkfrost and getting over his fear that he would become like his shitty mwle family members, he asked The Fire Star to allow him to change it to Brambleclaw to symbolize his refusal to back down from his lineage and prove it has nothing to do with the cat he is. Originally, it was Brambleburn (which symbolized Fireheart's true acceptance of him and the idea that Brambleburn would remove danger from his clan).

quastions? shoot em my way. i like my silly imaginary cats.