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gaddaboutgriffon · 2 months ago

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eh. why not. Here is the chat with my coworker.

ok so what do think would happen with a backstory set up like that?

do you think He would still be in Gryffindor?

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Set up like that, Harry would have grown into his magic, and not have been discouraged. We know in the Turtle-verse, magic exists, an d some canons even have Splinter being at least moderately versed in it, so they would have him trained in it to some degree, and paired with Spideys antimagic webbing, they would have the best of both worlds. I point this out, because he would be highly versed in wandless, and even silent, magic, which would put him at such a proficiency that he would be at O.W.L. magic level in either his first or second years, and might even be able to take his N.E.W.T.s a year or two early. That level of magic is bordering Dumbledore or Grindelwald level, at probably the age of 13.

If he doesn't stay in Griffindor, which I believe he would, he'd be either a Ravenclaw, due to his likely enhanced intellect, at having to be able to strategize with the Turtles, or a Hufflepuff, due to prolonged exposure to Mikey, whom I believe would have taken an attachment to him

That would definitely make him a defense against dark arts specialist very early. What do you think about it changing the signature of his magic so he goes under the radar more and making him able to teleport easily?

I still think he would be in griffindor because A ninjas views on bravery and wanting to keep up with his brothers. B the fact that splinter teaches Bushido and has a focus on honor.

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In that aspect, it would make him very difficult for any of the Death Eaters to catch him, and even Voldemort himself, as he would be able to apparate out of any situation, including any set up to prevent magical interferance

including the one at hogwarts

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Exactly, and we know that at least with house elfs, the magical barriers have no effect on their magic, as Dobby and Kreacher can apparate in and out with no issue

yep. How do you think would be dumbledor's reachtion/ and or changes to the plan?

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Oh yeah, that won't change at all. Harry would still be extremely selfless, courageous, and with being taught the Bushido code, self sacrifice would probably come easier to him, as it would be not just out of love, but also out of honor, to die for a greater cause. So dumbledore's plan would probably have little change to it at all

Do you think there would be issues convincing Splinter to go to wizard school. and do you think dumbledor would insist on hogwarts? would that raise red flags?

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Splinter is a great parent in the series, and encourages things that would better his children. If Dumbledore explained that Hogwarts would help better him, I think Splinter would approve

I think he would connect with Ron and harmione even more. Ron being from a big family with lot's of brothers. and Harmione would remind him Of Donnie and Talouse/Peter. also I think he would show off a little in the "duel" with draco and actually beat him wandless.

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I feel at the level he would be at, given that the books verify that he's among the top of his class, in canon, and that's compared to his pure and half-blood peers, who are implied to be able to practice magic at home, as long as an over-aged magic user is nearby, if he's able to practice from a young age, Hogwarts would almost be a formality. should he attend.

From my understanding of the Trace, it detects whenever magic is used around an under-seventeen, but erroneously attributes it to either the minor, or a nearby adult. However, since magic is nearly uncontrollable below the age of 11/formal training, they may not place traces until after attending school, or just ignore when it alerts inside a home with overage magic users. The Trace was sketchy at best, in it's description

How would he defeat Voldemore possessed quirel? He wouldn't have the love/sacrafice portection because he hadn't been living with a blood relative for years. which was the whole point of him being with the Dursleys.

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That's the main thing I hadn't been able to figure out, since that was the reason he had to stay with the Dursley's, as long as he had returned to their home every summer. The only thing I can think of is that Quirreldemort wouldn't be expecting a full frontal assault, and was just expecting a magic duel

that is a possibility.... what if quirrelmort was casting spells, harry/picasso telleports out of the way and it bounces off the mirror and he accidentally kills himself.

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That would be interesting, and an amusingly comedic death for Quirrel. I have reached a conclusion that his life would be increasingly harder without the blood spell protection, as that's what kept Voldemort from being able to touch or harm him for the first four years

He would have to make it up with raw skill and talent, since without his mothers protection, his safety bubble would be gone. But, with the training and encouragement that he would get from Splinter and the turtles, and the antimagic webbing that spidey would likely imbue his clothing with, He might still have a chance, especially if we consider that even the killing curse is basically nullified from it, probably to the same extent the turtles are protected from, any spell that hits his clothing, and not his skin, would be greatly reduced, and I doubt they would consider his clothes being what is protecting him.

My next big question, though. If Harry/Picasso is effected by the mutagen, and anything effected by the mutagen is naturally resistant to magic, and Harry/Picasso are effected by the mutagen, but are natural magic users, does that boost his magic to be able to work with his mutated biology, along with natural talent and learned skill, and does that make his skin naturally resistant to magic, as well?

I was thinking that it gives him the ability to convert/absorb magic as raw energy but it takes a ton of concentration.

so more change to his powers then a boost. mutagen when ysed on naturlly magical indeviduals has unusual affects.

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So more like how magic behaves weird around House Elves and Goblins

exactly. in the 2012 TMNT cartoon the Krang had been doing mutagen exparaments for centuries. I was going to have that be the origin for a lot of the magical being/creatures.

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That would be a good origin ffor the ones that seemed to be more recent in history, like the Sphinx or Qilin, as their existence seems tied to certain civilizations, rather than something that existed prior, like the Thunderbird, or the Phoenix.

like the house elf.

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Like the house elf

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I think Goblins would be an original magic creature, they're tied to landscapes and regions, and heavily influence Wizard lore, rather than influenced by the lore.

yeah. so the house elves could be a mutation of the gobins then.

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That's what I was thinking

I don't know if I am going to have it happen in the first or second year. but when the turtles are forced out of the undrground and then they have to leave the city when leo gets really hurt, that was when I was going to have Donnie message Harry's Tphone and he then teleports out of class with out explanation.

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I would have him do it in potions, to make it more dramatic. Mcgonnagall would just sigh exasperatedly, and say "Typical Potter" and move on with the day

Forgot to mention that dumbledor advised him to keep his teleporting a secret. So Mcgonnagall and the other teachers didn't know

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She may not know, but she taught his dad, she wouldn't be surprised

it has to do with the apperating without a license and that hogwarts has wards to make it impossible, and he just plows right through like there are no wards.

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She might raise a brow at that, and scold Dumbledore for not alerting her

but happening in snape's class. there would be more of a reactions

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"Really Albus, at what point were you going to let me know that the boy an apparate like a house elf, what do you mean it was on a need to know, I NEEDED TO KNOW. Give me those lemon drops, you don't deserve them."

Oh yeah, that was my exact thought

and by doing it class in front of other students it will be all over the school when he gets back.

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Do the other two know, or are they equally surprised, and if they didn't know, do they get upset, or accept it as he didn't know it was unusual

Ron and Hermine?

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Yes

hadn't decided. but I don't think he would have a reason to tell them before hand.

also book one or two for that?

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Totally book two

So I was thinking that he actually teleports his family back to hogwarts with him. Mostly to get leo to the hospital wing, but he didn't want to leave anyone behind. what are your thoughts on that?

oh and leo was hurt sometime in the winter so it would be about half way through the book.

Though it takes a lot out of him to teleport that many that far at once.

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And getting drained doing group travel long distance does make sense, even in canon, since that's why portkeys were made, and in book seven, it was pointed out that the constant running and apparating was draining them

book two would be the one with the basalisk. and By winter i think there were quite a few students petrified already. in the 2012 cartoon splinter was seperated from the turtles when they had to flee new york. so while he wouldn't be there, but I imagine Raph would be ready to tear into dumbledor for not sending students home.

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It would be an interesting confrontation, it might actually fit better in book one, winter time is when harry was browsing the restricted section

hmm. if book one when would be a good time? aside from them trying to find out who flemnel was there wasn't much going on. though it could get postponed to book three I guess. that one was prissoner of askaban.

what about an idea of having spliter be a Defense against the dark arts teacher for one year? assuming he has some knowlege on magic?

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I don't know if he would be DADA or a charms teacher

A lot of eastern magic is based on forms of charms, even defensive and protective ones

or he could emphasize that relying on magic alone can be dangerous and you need to take measures to be able to respond physically. this could also be at the request of dumbledor after noting how it helps harry.

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Right, being able to defend against an opponent, especially when disarmed, could be benificial

yep. and as a form to keep the statute of secrecy if dealing with muggles.

also I was going to have Donnie and Talouse/Peter figure out how to build a portal from studying Harry. tech based instead of magic of course.

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And that also checks out, because one of the spider-man canons does confirm magic in the Spider-Man universe, and one canon lists the spider powers not happening because the spider was radioactive, but magic instead, after Perter met another person with the same abilities. Although, that canon ended with Perter mutating into a giant Man-Spider

REGARDLESS, canon confirms Parker Tech is magic compatible

anyway after the thing where he teleports them to hogwarts and the events in book two I was thinking having them secretly install one end of the portal in the chamber of secrets and turn that into a secondary lair.

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I see that going amazing, and nobody else would be able to access it from the normal way, very few can speak, or even imitate, parselmouth

as for the death eaters I think it was implied they were mostly a europe group. and hadn't spread to magic groups in the rest of the world yet.

So I think being at hogwarts and then in newyork in the summers would still keep him safe enough.

something that would not happen with this set up is the dementor attack and using magic infront of muggles that tried to get him expelled in the book with umbridge,

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Right, since the underage magic thing wouldn't apply to him anymore. The Dementor attack could still potentially happen, but it would have to happen in a specific situation, like after they changed their allegiance, and were coerced to go over seas, of have some one smuggle them, since their only known natural habitat is Azkaban

how do you think the interaction with dobby trying to stop him from going in the second year would change?

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Not by too much. His warnings would definitely warrant concern from Splinter, and possibly his siblings as well, but they would likely agree to let him go, and since he can apparate at will, he'll either apparate onto the express, or directly to the school

and thus no flying car debute. but since he can apparate he could get himself and Ron out of the acromantula nest with out issues anyway.

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They'd have to find another way to introduce the whomping willow, though, since the tree was so central to Snapes rant

hmm. i'll get back to you on that. though apperating straight to the school would warrent a rant anyway.

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overshoots his apparition , and falls onto the tree? It's a possibility. We'd also need another way to slip Ginny the diary, since it was apparently Lucius that does it

He would still have to go book shopping anyway. that I assume stayed the same. also just thought that when the turtles are brought to hogwarts it gives the opportunity for Mikey to meet Fred and George.

oh imay not be remembering the details right.

correct me if I am wrong but while harry was getting the books for the new school year, Lucious trid to slip the diary into Ginny's caldron.

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He did slip it into the cauldron, which is where she found it at the school

what if we change it even more and Talouse/Spidy was with Picaso/harry while book shopping and the diary set off his spidy sense and he watches Lucious carefully and then because he knows he is being watched can't offload it into ginny's stuff. Lucious latter tells draco to slip the diary into another student's things while on the train. question is what will draco do?

would he try to figure out what is so special about it and use it himself, or do what his dad told him and slipp it into the belongings of another student he dislikes.

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You know, SCB are doing a series on What if Harry was in Slytherin, and Draco ends up with the diary in their story

that was where I got the Idea

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It's not a bad idea, and it does definitely fit the storyline

Honestly I would actually keep the way SCB handled Draco having the diary. now on to book three. How would this change Harry's reaction to his godfather Sirius? (edited)

not being with the dursleys means, no aunt marge, so no introduction to the knight bus, or meeting Sirius in dog form, or renting a room in Diagon ally. the begining would have to be majorly changed.

Oh I found out how the whomping willow comes back in. Here is an exerpt from the fandom wiki. (The nimbus 200 broomstick was arranged for Harry by Professor Minerva McGonagall after he was given a spot on the Gryffindor Quidditch team, as Seeker. He rode this broom in all school Quidditch matches until 1993, when, during a match against Hufflepuff, he was attacked by Dementors and fell off his broom. The broom crashed into the Whomping Willow and was broken beyond repair. His friends returned the remains to Harry in a bag, but he decided to keep them instead of throwing them away. This was Harry's only broom that was not a gift from his godfather, as his Firebolt and his toy broomstick were both given to him by Sirius.)

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I think Sirius would catch wind of him living in NY, and find his way there. From there, he could probably either find out where they are staying, or use a locator spell to find him. They would corner him, ask how he found them, give him the run down. He would likely extract a memory for Splinter, show him how to look into it, and show him how he is his Godfather. From there, they might actually take him in

hmm how did Sirius learn peter petigrew was still alive? as that was one of his main motivations for escaping azkaban.

My concern is that if he interacts with the Hamato family to early it would break the plot (edited)

found it "Minister of Magic Cornelius Fudge visited Azkaban a few days before Sirius escaped. He had a copy of the Daily Prophet. On the front page was the story of the Weasley’s visiting Egypt after winning 1000 Galeons. Front and center was Ron holding Scabbers. Sirius recognized him as Peter by the missing toe. The finger he Peter himself cut off. The paper said ron the youngest Weasley son would be returning to Hogwarts at the beginning of the school year."

I am ok with him being added to the Hamato family latter.

hmm what is the next thing on the fanfic concept we wabt to talk about?

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Does he still go to the QWC, and is the GoF affected by his situation in any way?

I can see him basically attaching each of the challenges in basically the same fashion, if not figuring out the puzzles a little more efficiently

acronyms are not my strong suite. I need to figure out what QWC and GoF mean

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Quidditch World Cup and Goblet of Fire

goblet of fire I do expect to be a bit different. the world cup would be about the same.

first in facing the dragon I expect him to just do two quick teleports to get the gold egg. unless that isn't allowed. (don't know if dumbledor would have got him an exception on the aperation license). the gold egg I expect Mikey would have been playing with it and dropped it into the water while visiting their chamber of secrets lair and they get the clue that way. as for the under water section. I have no doubt between Donnie and peter they made some sort of water filter breather thing years ago. mostly sot the non turtle brothers could keep up in the water.

Actually now that you got me thinking about it. at the world cup. The brothers would have wanted to go with. but even if they could because not enough tickets Picaso would still be more likely to try to take the death eaters head on.

so there would have been more of a fight.

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The world cup involves so little of the main trio, and is pretty heavily dependent on those around them, I figured it would be about the same. Do you think Crouch Jr. would take his wand, still, or find someone else's? If he takes Picasso's wand, I see a fight starting right in the stands, and that prevents the Death Eaters from showing up, but if he takes someone else's, that could lead to a fight elsewhere, but like in the books, the ministry guards would handle it almost instantly

I think to keep the games fair, Dumbledore would either not allow the apparitions, or would allow him to get the license early, so while it isn't a secret anymore that he can do it, the nature of it wouldn't be known, that it's different from normal apparating, but also allow the others to use it, since they are all of age to get the license

oh as a ninja in training He would have instantly been aware someone was trying to grab his wand. (protect your weapon is a big first lesson) so Crouch Jr. would have had to use someone else or it would have ended the story right there. and as for allowing the other champions to apperate would make the fist challenge kinda boring. so that can be nixed. he would then have to rely on speed and agility. but summoning the broom would still most likely happen. also the ninja training would probably make him an even better flyer with better balance and reaction time.

now the fact that his name got put in the cup and he became a fourth champion when he shouldn't have would get the attention of his family and that would explain why they were in the secret chamber lair in the first place. would they join the family picture and change the outcome of the interview with Rita Skeeter?

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They would definitely either be working behind the scenes, or would be actively involved with the tournament, appearing as familial support. If they go with familial support, it would be amusing to see how Rita interprets that, and even the magical community as a whole. Like, Kappas are the closest magical animal they have ever heard of or encountered that resembles the Turtles, and Splinter would be fascinating right out, and the fact he would be in constant communication with Dumbledore, as he would likely be aware of his plan at this point, would create a lot of attention. I don't know how Peter would fit in, though

Talous/peter would still be a bit of a show off. so he would be wall crawling and showing of his webbing. also I am still debating whether I want to give him an extra pair of arms as a result of the change in how he was mutated. he could use a hoody(where those around then?) to hide the extra arms in front of normal humans.

they would probably think of him as some sort of new magical being.

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they were invented in the 1930's, and became more popular in 1970, taking off as fashion rather than practical wear in 1990, so they would have been around

ok So thoughts on him having 4 arms?

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I figured they would see him as a new magical creature, and I can see the four arms working, especially as an effect of the mutagen

yep. oh speaking of mutagen affects what if it causes a warewolf to always look wolfy but be in mental control of them self?

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That does seem interesting. Almost like Fenrir, but less control over appearance, and hopefully more control of themselfs

that is the idea. in the tmnt cartoon Donnie is trying to figure out a way to make splinter human again. so the mutagen is already altered some. picaso had the idea to have Mcgonagal look into the mutagen to see if she could help figure it out. and then it is accidentally exposed to lupin when he goes into warewolf mode when petigrew escaped.

what visual/physical changes should happen?

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I think the one change I would make to it is his ability to keep his head during a full change, and the permanent change making him hairier and crave meat more, but not a dramatic hairiness. Half way between full fenrir, and Bill Weasley

Noticeably a werewolf, but no longer dangerous

that is what I was thinking to. but with the unexpected twist of turning wolf when ever the moon is out or being able to do change form at will.

so it would be a trade of. he would be in control of himself but change to wolf form more often

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I think more often would fit better than at will, I love the man, but give him some inconvenience

that was what I was thinking as I went

now back to Rita I think she would paint harry in more of an odd and maybe dangerous light given he was raised by splinter with the turtles. wizards have a tenancy to look down on anything non human wizard. also I think harry would be more likely to help hermione with S.P.E.W.

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I was thinking the same with that, and she would likely paint him as more animistic, despite being more calm and composed

He might even get Griffindor better treatment from the house elves, as they would view him as more compassionate

that would be interesting.

where there three or four trials in the goblet of fire?

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Three

I think I would have the injured Leo happen in the winter of book two. Because A I don't want to change book one too much (more then I already have), B I kinda want to see how that interaction with Protective big brother Raph would go, C it sets up a motive for them to install a portal into the chamber of secrets, D it could be a big enough distraction that he might not complete the search for the philosopher's stone. Though I get what you mean about putting it in book one as all they would be doing in that didn't have much going on in the winter and conflict is the driver of story.

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I definitely see your point there, and I can agree with that, and I feel that book 3 would have too much going on for it to fit in properly

yep.

because the by the time of the maze, the hamato family would definitely be closing in on crouch jr. both from their detective work and Talouse's spidy sense going off around moody.

also do you think because the tri wizard cup Dumbledor would be letting them move around the castle? since harry really shouldn't have been a participant.

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He would likely be aware of their presence in the Chamber, but after confirming that nobody placed his name into the Goblet from their side, he would likely allow them to roam and interact like the other participants families can

also with the ninja training I think he would get to the cup faster so Cedric wouldn't be pulled along with him.

or he is able to find the other competitors sooner and maybe witness moody/crouch jr in the maze too. tipping him off to the fact things are up.

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I think the teleeportaion ability would be helpful here, too. Once he knows something is up, he'd either take the cup back, or just teleport back. Voldemort would probably not get his body back, and the Tournament scheme would fail

And he would definitely breeze through the hedge maze

that actually would work. it changes the next book a lot but also not as much as expected. but I am ok with it. so harry would have seen voldemort and know he is back. but given how ninjas are more on the secretive side he would probably told only Dumbledor and his family. and his brothers would likely have caught Crouch Jr. sometime soon after the trial ends. as for voldemort. he would probably have Petigrew kidnap some other person he considers an enemy to complete the potion to get his body back. question is who. also now the death eaters know for sure about harry's teleport ability.

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It probably wouldn't be hard to get a new body, harrys blood was specific to being able to touch him

which since there is no sacrifice/love protection that isn't necessary and he only really chose harry in this case as an ego thing or to get rid of a big threat early.

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Right. The only thing I could think of that this could interfere with, is Harry/Picasso's blood, in Voldemort, is what tethered him to the living world, in book seven, so we need something to tie that connection

What about the black quill? Since it used his blood, and it was unwillingly taken, they could use that, and post pone the resurrection until book five

that would be awesome continuity. now Umbridge was fully devoted to the ministry so I don't think she was an agent for Voldemort But I was going to have harry be smarter with her and use his Tphone to record his detention and see if he could get her fired. then she would have a reason to get rid of the quill.

any way would Cornelius fuge still feel threatened or target harry if Dumbledor and his close friends were the only ones he told that moldymort was back? I think Dumbledor would still try to anounce it and make it public knowlege as in the books he said that the public knowing early would have made it easier to stop him. so i think that now Unbrigde taking action to try and get Picaso expeled wouldn't be needed as the one making the rukus is Dumbledor. thoughts?

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I do like the sound of that, especially if Umbridge got fired, there wouldn't be an easy way to get him out of office, they would need an even more solide reason to kick him out, and if Dumbledore is the one speaking about the come back, and Picasso would be the one backing the claims, it would sound more credible, rather than Dumbledore backing him.

but we still have to endure Ubridge being sent to hogwarts because Fudge is a (fill in the blank). however I don't think he would be as directly confrintational in this version and Splinter would have seen and worked with him on emotional control (he has had plenty of practice with Raph.) also Harry would have chosen a better meeting place for the kids interested in Defense tutoring. which would have deleyed Umbridge's ban on group activities.

though I still feel she would have done that anyway latter on.

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How do you feel about them using the Turtle Lair 2.0

in the secret chamber? I like it and see them using it more often then I have been mentioning. how do you think the Turtles would interact with those in hogwarts?

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Probably a little bit of awe, a little bit of amusement, they all probably get along well with the professors, even Snape agrees that they are entertaining, in a Fred and George way

yes. I have Mikey and Talouse/peter making good friends with Fred and Gorge. and causing mischif together. also since the web based paint has an anti magic property I was going to have one of them paint Umbridge's wand.

I think Donnie would have the easiest time getting along with Snape. He would be comparing potions to cemestry and frankly he had been reading over Picaso/harry's school books anyway when he came home. also Mikey would be seeing if they could find out which house the brothers would be in even if they couldn't actually be students. I think I have those figured out exept for Spidy. Mikey would be Hufflepuff, donnie ravenclaw obviously, Raph would actually be Griffondor. and strange as it may be I think leo would be Slitherin mostly because he is more cunning and stategic then his brothers and is one of the most ambitious.

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They full blown invest in Weasleys Wizard Wheezes, along with the tournament earnings. They introduce them to a lot of Talouse/Peters technologies, and brainstorm different ways to combine magic and tech, in a way even the ministry never considered

Spidey is definitely Ravenclaw

Aside from being extremely smart, he is also naturally wise. He's only brave because he has to be, that holds true in all of his timelines, always brave, always gets back up. If he had a choice, he would always be studying, building, researching

oh that is a good note on the inventions for the weasley brothers shop.

hmm who would Leo and Raph hang out with? also in the dumbledor's army part do you think the turtles would help in teaching physical combat? and I would assume that would suggest a waning system if someone got to close.

oow and the whole bigger on the inside tent from the previous year would deffinately be of interest to Donnie and the others. imagain this that instead of the room of requirment the training room is put into a suitcase or trunk and can be in different places each time.

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They would definitely help teach physical combat, and more importantly, close range combat. Magic duels hinge so much on long range casting, there's almost no system for close range casting

yep. and they could pioneer that field for the wizard community.

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I'm surprised that Hermione hadn't pioneered that idea in the books

the mobile training room?

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Yes

honestly I am too.

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But the idea itself is brilliant, it could literally be a rucksack in an empty classroom, and a secret keeper had to lead you there

Oh hadn't thought of the secret keeper aspect. good call.

here is another out there one. So with the time sand (don't what it is actually called) destroyed in the department of mysteries there are no more time turners. but that really only applies to going back in time. What about speeding up time in a certain room? (or in a bigger on the inside ruck sack.) for example make it so that time inside goes 4 times faster so you could get an hours worth of study time done inside, but only 15 minutes has gone on outside.

donie would want to use that for his lab so he can get work done with out interuption. but it comes with the draw back that if you use it too much you age four times faster.

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Or set up as a localized time dilation. Time goes faster in there, but only the you in there, stepping out allows you to have virtually not aged, just your memories

even better.

also didn't Crouch Jr use a biger on the inside trunk to keep moody prisoner in? so it would be something they would know is possible.

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Yeah, he did, and on top, he even had an insert of a potions set, so anyone who opened it, would have to know to move the insert.

which could be done for the mobile training room too. though I assume they would use a different insert. This also would have been good for the last book when Harry Ron and Hermione where on the run. but I still need to see where all the changes lead into the last book before considering it for the fan fic.

also at the time of doing the Dumbledor's army the Time-sand would not be destroyed yet. and with Surius possibly living with the turtles Voldemore wouldn't have that to lure him into the department of mysteries to get the prophecy. so I will have to figure something else out for that. and with meditation training from splinter and a more stable family life Ligilimancy defense should be easier.

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Getting it to fit into book seven will be the most difficult

yeah, but that is why you go one book at a time and see where the changes take you.

sometimes things you thought would be a problem from a change resolve them selves. others you have to give blunt force truama to get to cooperate.

they could use the coins that are for comunication as the insert.

actually I am not sure Voldemore would even go after the prophecy yet. as he would still not have a strong body until Umbridge gets rid of the quill. also given that he has Seen his oponent is more capable then expected he would probably focus on quietly build his forces as first priority.

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Well, the biggest character flaw of Voldemort, as far as the second war goes, is that he is overly ambitious. Even if Harry/Picasso is more capable than expected, his hubris, as well as the Elder Wand, lead him to his doom. Even as a strong opponent, he views him as still no more than a child

true. and he wouldn't consider the ninja family as a real threat either. so do we get umbridge defeted first or does she ditch the quill earlier so she can hide evidence and not get fired as fast? also how would Petigrew know of or find the quill? Maybe Rita or some other reporter hears about the story? also I just reallized I am under using Draco. as being saved by harry would put him in an odd possition that needs explored more.

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We could actually use Draco for the quill. His father tells him that they need Harry's blood. Draco has heard of the Quill, having been Umbridge's teachers pet. He sneaks into her office, before it's cleaned out, and takes both the quill and the parchment that he was writing on. They can then extract the blood from either the quill, the parchment, or both. It's magic, so I wouldn't be surprised if they can pull the blood, even if it's dry

that could work. and I would probably not have his dad tell him why they need harry's blood. I kinda liked the redemtion arch for draco in the super carlin brothers series.

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They made the best redemption arc. Yeah, the books redemption arc is okay, but they built on that

indeed.

so I forgot what really got umbridge fired. and that needs to be wrapped up, so that it can end on the cliff hanger of the death eaters being broken out of azkaban.

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"inadequate performance"

or have them break out just before and that drives Umbridge to doing something stupid in trying to save the ministry's reputation.

yeah going to go with draco stealing the quill which lucious uses to help voldy get a new body (kinda like what the 1980s Krang was fixated on) then voldy goes and breaks the deatheaters out of jail, and that drives Umbridge to do something stupid which gets her fired.

what should the stupid thing be though?

the idea you mentioned that Splinter had been kinda working with Dumbledor may work here. it would be incredibly stupid but she could try doing something with Harry to get splinter to come to the school and then intaragate him. thoughts?

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She would definitely do something stupid like that

we are now onto half blood prince.

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first thing that will have to change is dumbledore picking harry up himself from the dursleys, to get slughorn

hmm. we could have him visiting with the weasly's and he picks him up from there.

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could do that, since Dumbledore would likely be able to apparate to NYC, but not likely be able to bring Picasso back with him, and Picasso would need to know where exactly to go, so Weasley's would be playing safe for that, and we could have Molly momma hen Dumbledore about it, too

for a moment i fogot he was already injured by the ring at this point.

so yes that works very well.

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Should we have her notice him not looking well, and feeding him, or just have her scold him for using Harry/Picasso

Both. and getting Slughorn's attention will be even easier, given that Harry has more unique abilities in this.

I just noticed we kind skipped over whether the changes make Harry less susceptible to the Dementors, and would he be able to produce a protornus easier or harder?

and as for the greatest fear with the bogart that would probably change to dead family.

or being rejected by them

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Due to the nature of dementors, I don't think the susceptibility changes, nor the ability to produce a patronus, he's already leagues above even the youngest that he's taught, so it would likely, if anything, drop his attempt count for an incorporeal patronus, but it was his desperation to protect that caused the first full patronus

I agree with bogart, he's faced more scary things with the family than dementors

and I agree with Slughorn being easier to pull, especially with Picasso being less effected by spell attacks

here is something I don't think we covered. Whould he still get a pet owl? and would he have Donnie make tphones for Ron and Hermione?

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Owl, definitely, Hedwig is too symbolic to not have

Tphones, I'm not sure

ok so how do you think hedwig and Splinter would get along? owl + giant rat = possible comedy?

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She definitely dive bombs at the most comedic times

Kind of like how the movies treat Ron's feelings

tone too serious, owl on rat

my thoughts exactly. also I think that his friends from hogwarts would have to have tphones as it would be too much for hedwig to fly over the ocean

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Does make sense, but she was able to trade letters with Sirius while he was island hopping, when he wasn't sending letters by exotic bird

true. but I kinda want the comedy of Ron's dad going crazy over the Tphone.

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Tphones, definitely

by book five, he's managed to replicate it, because he had to physically take it apart to study, rather than use magic, since they are magic proof

and the running gag that Ron's phone is always broke or acting up.

So we left off on half blood prince and the fact that Harry was visiting the weezleys when dumbledor picked him up to recruit Slughorn. and molly going mother hen mode.

honestly the arc with draco on super carlin brotheres is too good, and I want to copy it. so the whole slug club he may or may not be interested in if he is having a falling out with his family. he may want to be more out of the spot light.

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I can see that. The more of a spotlight that he's in, the more attention it brings to the family

Another question, is his relationship status. Does he stay with Ginny, does he date Hermione, like in the SCB series, or even potentially end up with Luna, because that would be interesting

Frankly I am not good at writing romance. and haven't given it much thought.

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I don't think Rowling was either, which is why all the romances felt awkward, reading back over them

that actually sounds true.

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Although, a relationship with Luna would make sense, should it be considered. She marries Rolph Scamander in the main canon, because of his interaction with magical beasts, She would be in absolute love over the family

I do like luna. and her ability to notice unusual things would probably make her more likely to notice him in a different light then the rest of the kids at school. we could play it up that she sees the real him underneath all the acting he does to protect the family and others.

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She had apparently planned Harry/Hermione from the first book, but then the story flow made her feel Harry/Ginny would felt more organic, and Hermione/Ron a was an afterthought

That is what made her a good friend in the series, is that she could always perfectly read his mood and thoughts by looking at him, which I think he did ask her if she were able to actually see in his thoughts

also I would like to make it where some of the things she talks about that other wizards think is crazy is actually the krang and mutants.

I just now thought that he would have noticed Scabbers as a weird acting rat from the beginning. growing up in the new york underground and with splinter he would have had a lot of knowledge on how rats usually act.

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He might write it off as a wizarding world rat

yeah probably

so no coment on the idea that luna was right all along?

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Oh, no, she was definitely right all along

I like that idea

luna was introduced in book 5? after cedric died and he could see thestrals which didn't happen with picaso/harry beating the maze so fast. so need a new way to introduce her.

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I believe he would already be able to see them. The magic being that he needs to witness, and understand death, which happened with Cedric in book four. Since he is now part of essentially an assassin family, he will be taught the significance of death from a young age, not to desensitize, but to respect and honor a death, even of an enemy

yeah and there would be opportunity for a character death any time he is home in the summer. be it friend or foe.

we could have had him seeing the thestrals from the fist carrage ride but I think I would save it for the second.

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I feel maybe we have him regularly interacting with them, possibly because he finds the beautiful, and then one day just happen upon Luna petting and playing with them

that could work.

seriously the racksperts she talked about sound like the mind control worms the krang made. (it is gross and probably better if you don't look it up)

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I mean, she is a RavenClaw, according to her sorting, it's because she has one of the most intelligent and different minds the sorting hat had ever seen, and the way she views the world is almost at a level the founders had never expected

yep. another one that would get along with her is Donnie and Peter/Talouse I assume. once they make the connections on what she is talking about.

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after the Slughorn recruit and going to the burrow, the next plot point is following Draco down nocturn alley, into borgin and burkes, and over hears him talking about the vanishing cabinet

probably would still happen but I don't think draco would spot him. ninja training and all.

also did we decide that draco would have a redemption arch like what the SCBs are doing?

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I would like him to. Out of any character that I feel deserves one, it's Draco. Book Draco never really got one, movie Dracos was vague at most

Is narcissa and snape still undergoing the vow, and draco killing dumbledore, and does the whole Half-Blood Prince arc play out the same?

I think we accidentally skipped whether harry would go to the department of mysteries for the prophesy. becuase lucious failing that is why voldy tasked draco with killing dumbledor. in this version I don't think Harry/picaso would have fallen for the lure. so that becomes a non-factor.

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oh we did, we were so focused on Umbridges punishment

does that nullify Sirius' death and the Battle of the Department of Mysteries?

it would. huh the changes have so far kept cedric and surius from dying.

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but that does bring into question, for book seven, for the ownership of the elder wand

the punishment of Lucious leads to the grooming of Draco, leads to the unbreakable vow, leading to the disarming of both snape and draco, which made harry/picasso the true master

Plot webs

all that needs to happen is for Harry to disarm whoever disarmed dumbledor.

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I'm assuming then that we will use Snape, then. Draco was for punishment, Snape will be to prove allegiance

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Book six isn't looking at much change. We have the Prince arc, which natural curiosity will play that out, like in the books, and that will lead to quick thinking on the poisonings, as usual. I think you said you wouldn't have him join the Slug Club, so instead of Ron being poisoned, it can be Slug, and we can have Harry going to ask him a question, or be in the vicinity of the poisoning

I don't know how the Ron/Lavender/Hermione thing will play out, since that was the original issue that lead to poisoning, aka the love potion

so the poisoning of the wine bottle was draco trying to kill dumbledor, since that was supposed to be a christmas pressent. somehow I don't see snape going for that approach.

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He is a potions master

That was kind of my view point

yes he is a postions master, but that would make poisoning very obvious.

on a side note with draco going through a redemption arch we could actually have Voldy wanting the kid to prove loyalty as he has not been on the best terms with his parrents and other death eaters at that point.

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I do like that perspective. Better than Snape doing bare minimum to try to kill Dumbledore

agreed

as for Hermione/ Ron/lavender. I honestly kinda skimmed through those parts. (not a romance or angst interested person) but it would probably still play out the same.

though since cedric didn't die in this version the crush on cho wouldn't go anywhere. which I suppose is another point in favor of luna.

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Honestly, and even though the books had Luna as purely platonic, I could probably skim through Rowlings rough drafts and find a million points in Luna's favour.

BUT, romance isn't a focus, we just need to get Harry/Picasso to learn voldys backstory, get somebody to shoot a Dark Mark, and kill Dumbledore

true. and I think we actually hit on what we need with him being suspicious of draco's loyalty.

So since He didn't fall for the lure into the department of mysteries. do you think Voldy would still go for the prophesy another way?

also with Sirius hiding out with the turtles in new york, I assume he would still be having the same issue with restlessness.

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The prophesy I think was only for him to find a way to defeat his fate, but only the seer or subject can touch the prophesy, which is why he had set up the lure, so that the Death Eaters can steal it from him, since he doesn't do anything himself, so likely not, unless Harry/Picasso is proactive enough to anticipate them trying to steal it

Yeah, I think restlessness is integral to his character

the majority of the half blood prince was learning voldy's back story, the exsistance of horcruxes, and setting upt the hunt for those. I feel like we should include the turtles more on this one. also how good do you think the spidy sense would be at recongnizing horcruxes since Harry has been one the whole time he knew him? I would think there is a desensitize thing like with the venom symbyot.

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Well, Harry isn't a true horcrux, so the effects of him will be minimal, if anything. I know there's the theory that him being one made the Dursleys the way they were, but it has only been theorized, never proven or confirmed, so I think the effect of a full horcrux will set it off. They are an immediate danger, and will defend themselves from being destroyed, so I think he would be able to detect them.

makes sense. so with Voldy being back at this point do you think Dumbledor would ask the hamato clan to get more involved?

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I think, yes, absolutely Help with horcruxes, help with teaching Ron and Hermione how to be more ninja like, teaching how to not leave a trace, in more than just magically cleaning up after themselves, butt how to make nature look like it's never been disturbed. Spidey can magic proof their gear without removing it's magic ability, so make the tent unable to be revealed with revelio, stuff like that, basically training for after he's gone. However, I also think this is the point where he and Splinter also get the boys together, excluding Picasso, and enunciate the importance that he will have to sacrifice himself, willingly, and that he can come back, but he's going to have to want to, at the same time, and it has to be his choice solely.

In the comics, they were big on seppuku, but tried to get Saki to do it in the end, rather than killing him themselves, so there is precedence of them struggling with the concept of true sacrifice

maybe an extra class on how to defend with out magic. not just for picaso and his friends but any student that would want to sign up.

yeah the wilderness servival skills would be a good thing for them to learn anyway. and well in the TMNT cartoon series there is a point where splinter dies. I am not sure when to put that in. also I have a feeling that by now Shredder would know they are dwon a member exept for the summer. so there may be more foot clan activity from fall to end of spring.

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That would leave New York pretty open if they are always helping at hogwarts

yep.

we could have it a splinter testing the older brothers ability to handle things on their own. he would be at hogwarts with one other as an assistant (different one each week) and ready to return if things start getting out of control.

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That is brilliant, I completely forgot about Shredder until I remembered the seppuku issue from the comics

and also by now shredder would have been stealing mutagen and making mutant soldiers which some of them could be a way to introduce spiderman villians. he would likely be aware of the magic world and we could have him form an alliance with voldemort in the half blood prince arch

I am thinking that in the final book all the bad guys from both get brought together to make life difficult for the heroes.

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So, the new question is, do we give the Hamato brothers their own chapters

we will have to. or have things implied "off-screen" if this story is from picaso's perspective.

I am OK giving chapters to the turtles and spidy though. I am going to combine them and have most of the spider-man villains be created by shredder or the krang.

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I think they deserve their own chapters, and then have the information learned in them relayed through the in house turtle, but more as off hand until Shredder and Voldy meet

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Would Harrys patronus change due to the mutagen?

Probably. but I don't think it would be a turtle.

as the patronus is based on the spirit animal and that largely hase to do with personality. being rased a ninja he is more agressive and sneaky so a stage no longer fits.

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I wouldn't say more aggressive, as Raphael is commonly scolded for being so aggressive and hotheaded. Proper fighting and self defense requires a cool head with calculated strikes. Red fox?

I like the fox. and it would make sense.

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Fox is also most common in slytherin

from the mutant nature I wonder if we could make it a Kitsune?

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Well, the list of patronus' we have is almost exclusively based on most common in the UK, regional variants aren't really documented, so I don't see why not, a kitsune would be awesome

I could only imagine the conversation. "why does your fox have nine tails?" "Well why doesn't yours"

that is because that would be British kids and those would be make the most sense for them to have local animals, but in his case he would be an american kid raised by a japanese ninja.

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With kitsune being mythical animals, and mythical animals have precedence in the HP universe, and Patronuses having precedence of mythical creatures, i.e. occamy, pheonix, abraxan winged horses, thestral, hippogriff, etc., there's no reason why he couldn't have a kitsune

Dumbledor had a pheonix

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I think he's the only one that has a mystical

in the books. yeah dumbledor is.

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Newts is a Kelpie, if I remember correctly, and his boggart is a Ministry of Magic Desk, as he fears being tied down the most

Oh I haven't actually watched or read the fantastic beast. I have mostly just heard about it from youtubers like Super carlin brothers

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I used to have a special edition copy of Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, it had a bunch of info about Newt

we left off on half blood price didn't we?

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Yeah, I think we were stuck on what changes to make, since the book is apparently as forgetful as the movie, despite being one of the most memorable plots

yeah. i have had to look up what happens in that one more then any of the others.

maybe spice it up with more things about the Turtles and Spidy.

and since splinter does eventually die in both the comics and cartoons make this the year that it happens. Things really heating up in new york with the foot clan and other enemies.

and it with ending with Shredder and Voldy teaming up and that is when Splinter dies. wait halfblood prince was also the book that Dumbledor died and set up the horcrux hunt, wasn't it?

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Yup, exactly the one

well. ... I guess that is the tragic death year.

How many of the spiderman vilians should be added?

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We can do the major ones, i.e. Electro, Goblin, Sandman, Rhino, the Lizard

Also Dr. Octopus, The vulture, Shocker, Kraven and Mysterio. Rhino kinda over laps with Rocksteady, though.

we could have had shredder recruit most of those with the exception of goblin and maybe Dr octopus.

so a little bit of both. chapters on the big things, and fill in the rest when the voldy shredder aliance happens.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Wizzard

What if we combined Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Spider-man, and Harry Potter?

Splinter and the turtles were mutated first, and that part stays the same. The Krang like to snatch people that are not as noticeable for mutagen experiments. in this case I was going to have them First snatch Peter Parker and his parents, and splinter was able to intervene saving peter, but the parents aren't as lucky.

However Peter was still exposed to spider DNA laced mutagen, just not as much as intended. So he still gets the Spider-man powers just much younger as a three year old. And like in the first Spider-man movie he has organic spinnerets in his wrist that are much more noticeable. The part that is noticeable is that he has an extra pair of arms.

Yeah, wouldn't let him blend in with regular humans, so splinter takes him in. So, Peter essentially becomes a younger brother to the turtles. I was also thinking of having the mutagen affect his memory, so he doesn't remember his name and Splinter names him Toulouse in keeping with the renaissance artist theme.

Also, I was going to make it so that anything affected by the mutagen has a high resistance to magic. In this case his webs can protect him from magic and the webbing can be dissolved and mixed into a paint to protect technology from magic. Because I think it is implied that electronic devices tend to short out / explode/ not work right when around high concentrations of magic. The turtles' shells and hides are magic resistant in that any spell cast will have minimal effect. (Example the killing curse will knock them out but not actually kill them. It will hurt and they will be feeling it when they wake up.)

Now as for Harry I was going to have the Dursley's go to New York for some sort of business deal or something and the Krang detected an energy flux around Harry and specifically target him. Or have the Krang capture the family in the UK but then transfer Harry to their main experiments lab in New York. (I think the love/sacrifice magic protects against dark magic more than non-magic threats, so I don't think it would protect from a kidnapping but technology-based aliens)

They Dursley's fate is unknown, and Splinter is keeping some track of the Krang as they would be a threat to him and his family and finds out about them having a new 2-year-old test subject. and breaks into the Krang base to rescue him. He is named Picaso. (also, Splinter's human name was Hamato Yoshi, and the Japanese say the surname first, so his initials are still HP)

The mutagen changes his magic but not his looks and makes it so he can teleport easily. Almost like how house elves can, and because it was changed the Ministry of magic's trace (or whatever the USA version is called) doesn't recognize it as human/wizard magic, so he passes under the radar.

Now Dumbledor goes into a more defensive state of mind because "the chosen one" is missing, but as the years go on it spirals into a depressed state. (maybe?)

What changes things is that word is going around the Magical community about some new "magical" Creatures that look like Were-turtles being spotted in New York City. Running around at night with a man spider and what seems like a young wizard. Hagrid Really wants to go investigate and Dumbledor relents to his begging and has Old newt Scamander go with him. Since he has been to New York before.

They catch a glimpse of the brothers jumping across the rooftops, but can't keep up, and loose them. Fortunately, they find signs of a Horned snake living in the sewers and track that down. Harry/Picaso has made friends with many of the snakes that live in the sewer including the horned snake. The honed snake is annoyed at the men bugging it and slithers off to ask Picaso if he can tell them to leave it alone. They of course follow it, and Hagrid recognizes Harry as soon as he sees him. Hagrid is a bit too friendly, wanting to hug the boy, and the brothers are not far off hear the commotion and soon have the wizards at sword point asking who they are, why they are bothering their brother, and how they found him.

Hagrid runs his mouth and that prompts Picaso to have the first flash back memories of the green light and pain and somehow knowing he was called Harry long ago. The turtles and Spidey notice Picasso's reaction and decide to let the wizards talk to Splinter and take them blindfolded to the lair. I was going to have Hagrid and Scamander find him about 3 months before his 11th birthday.

Any way I haven't figured out how Hagrid and Scamander will convince Splinter to let Picasso/Harry to go to a magic school let alone all the way in England, but I do sill want that to happen.

I think Dumbledor would have to set up a special reusable Port key just to get harry to platform 9 and 3/4. only to later find out that his teleportation ability is so different from appearing he can just teleport in and out of the school whenever he want's. I was going to have it coincide with the episode where the foot clan force the turtles out of the sewer and Leo gets hurt and they have to leave New York. Picaso gets a text from Donnie on the t-phone (Spider paint protected) in the middle of a the potions class and he just up and teleports to his brothers in front of Snape.

(ok the rest of the stuff I have on this was a conversation between me and a coworker, so I might post that later. but for now I am sharing it with the people I think may enjoy it. @rboooks @twicethetrouble @erinwantstowrite @emacrow @confusedshades )

#story prompt #spiderman fanfiction #tmnt #tmnt crossover #harry potter #gadabout

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Deconstructing baseless Harry Potter arguments #1: Harmony Edition

There’s a very helpful account on instagram (this instagram page merely gathers toxic harmony shippers, they don’t ship Harmione or hate all Harmione shippers, please don’t send them hate, show them love and support) where you can essentially find stupid fucking bashers who make baseless arguments. I’m all for Harmione shippers, as long as they don’t denounce Romione, bash Ron and just peacefully co-exist. To my pleasure, such people are out there: they just dont seem to be seen as often as the ones that are not nice. Maybe all I see is the mean people and the majority is nice, but in this post, I am attacking those who make baseless claims and bash Ron/Romione/Hinny/Ginny. I don’t myself hate all Harmione shippers. On top of that, as a Romione/Ron fan, i do acknowledge Ron’s character flaws along with Hermione’s and I hold them on the same pedestal.

This is copied directly from my own instagram page, granger.weasley_ on ig.

Anyways let's get deconstructing

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Yeah okay mf; maybe don’t compare real-life relationships with fucking fictional ones. Your relationship going wrong has nothing to do with Ron/Hermione. It has everything to do with you and your ex: the *real life* people involved in it.

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The weird subreddits and discord servers also seem to have a lot of die-hard Harmione “non-canon” shippers. They bash Ron and Romione (along with Ginny and Hinny) with a burning passion without any objective sense of remorse. They ignore all the merits of Ron’s character and bash him to push their agenda. They can’t even do so much as fucking acknowledge any of Hermione’s character flaws but still somehow manage to fixate on that one time when 11 year old Ron just shit-talked one line while Hermione had just publicly humiliated him in front of the Charms class and practically shouted at him for doing the spell wrong just before. I personally don’t because Hermione was 11 too and wasn’t that good at social cues that early on, which is more than okay. Neither am I.

Only a few people in the Romione fandom bash Hermione. And it’s not like Harmione shippers (most, not all!) don’t bash Ron and Ginny remorselessly, right? The fucking hypocrisy.

If someone considers Ron as the best member of the trio, it is their own opinion and not a fact. I do that. If you consider Harry and Hermione as the best member of the trio or in the whole wizarding world, most people don’t give a flying fuck and probably won’t argue with you because it is simply an opinion. That will only happen when you pass that off as a fact.

Statistically speaking, most (not FUCKING all) Harmione moments are in the movies. The weird dance scene especially. The passionate kiss that happens in Ron’s vision, shit like that. Ron is pushed to the sidelines in the last set of movies while Harry and Hermione show each other endless love and support. “I’ll go with you”. The books on the other hand, describe Harry and Hermione as siblings multiple times, with very little Harmione references.

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So you don't want us to fixate on the large majority of Harmione shippers who do the exact same thing, just kissing Hermione's and Harry's ass and hating on Ron. However you will fixate on people who are most likely not EVEN bashing or hating but pointing out a few character flaws in Hermione in a fair and unbiased way. I would know, I'm a huge fan of Hermione as an individual character (in the books). The only criticism I've seen of Hermione to this day has not been bashing. In the comment section of my own fics (shameless plug) I've seen some Hermione bashing. On an ao3 comment section. And I've seen so damn fucking many people bashing Ron, Ginny, the Weasleys etc. and garner tens and thousands of upvotes on quora.

What does Ron even need excusing for? The running away incident and Krum. What does Hermione need excusing for? Canaries, contributing to Ron's insecurities by making him jealous through Cormac and Krum even though she didn't even like them (especially not Cormac, she fucking hated him). Ron wore a locket that literally highlighted his fatal flaw (insecurity) in an echo chamber. Harry kept getting annoyed when Ron wanted to check in on his family. Harry asked Ron to leave; Ron didn't say that shit in the books about Harry's parents being dead: that was plain shock value.

And sorry for repeating myself but I have seen quite a few Harmione shippers bash Ron and Ginny and excuse every single thing Harry and Hermione have done.

37 upvotes on this weird comment that makes no sense? Echo chamber alert! You know what us Romione/Ron fans all have in common? We have never experienced such an echo chamber. I made a pro Ron/Romione post on reddit and got a considerable amount of people who bashed Ron and Romione in the comments.

The amount of Hermione haters is very few compared to Ron bashers. Nobody hates Hermione for being independent, determined, etc. We dislike perfect movie Hermione who’s an unrealistic image of females and seems like some sort of agenda than a real woman. Most Romione shippers/Ron fans and book fans in general (except for you apparently) dislike movie Hermione and still are fans of realistic book Hermione. Most, not all. In general, we do not claim anyone who does the exact same thing to Harry and Hermione that these sorts of Harmione shippers do to Ron, Romione, Hinny and Ginny. I say this on the behalf of all Romione shippers and Ron fans.

Ron's not a bitchy lay-about drama causing loser. That's Steve Kloves's movie Ron. In the books Ron is realistic and simplistic and apologizes whenever he causes problems. He acts up substantially twice in a span of 7 years where he is also a hormone-fuelled teenager.

This is so contradictory and juxtaposed to the point of near delusion. First you talk about how Romione shippers bash Hermione and then you bash Ron as a Harmione shipper. Mate, fighting fire with fire will get you called a hypocrite. Fix yourself.

So the movies are fine when they work according to your agenda? And yes how dare he add such a (fake) chemistry fuelled moment between Harry and Hermione while defeating the entire purpose and groundwork for Romione, the sadness caused by Ron leaving and so many more things? Those Harmione moments you mention seem friendship -esque more than anything else.

Steve Kloves's moments ruined many things while just paying fan service to the Harmione fans he'd birthed through years in the course of 6 movies where he showed Ron as a, how you so eloquently describe it, lay - about drama causing bitchy loser, Harry as one dimensional and Hermione as a zero - dimensional Mary Sue who might as well be the main titular character. Obviously Harmione fans such as yourself don't see the problem with it as it fits your narrative

We do care about Harry and Hermione at large. Most Romione shippers rightfully bash Draco, Pansy, etc. not particularly Harry and Hermione, that's quite rare. Harry and Hermione can get along without Ron as friends. Ron and Harry can also get along without. Hermione as friend. So can Hermione and Ron without Harry as friends or more. I don't understand your point and how what you said is any different than Romione or Ronarry’s friendship.

Constant arguing is not what they do. They bicker, they apologize, and sometimes they just do it for the heck of it. They are argumentative teenager. Opposites attract doesn't work in the sense of fire and ice, it works in the case of Brownie and ice-cream. Ron is passionate, laid back and insecure. Hermione's passionate, a workaholic and not as insecure. Ron can help her get calm and composed and get her to give herself a break. Hermione can motivate Ron and re - enforce his confidence.

It wouldn't be step incest. Harry and Ginny do not regard each other as siblings. They do not look similar whatsoever. And a Harmione shipper also bashes Hinny and Ginny along with Ron and Romione? Checks out

" that fucked up Harmony" hahaha. What?

Are you literally going to date someone on the basis of what Harry Potter ships they prefer? That is so shallow end depraved. Your Harry Potter ship preferences should not be the groundwork for your dating life. Please understand that. Harry Potter is a fictional world which is not real. Hogwarts doesn't exist. Magic doesn't exist. I sound like a Dursley but that's what it is: a fictional realm with fictional character. I would personally not give a fuck if my best friend or significant other was a Harmione shipper. In the case of them being a Ron basher, I would ignore it as if it was just a minor inconvenience and something we wouldn't be discussing and that's how it should be with you. Fuck BuzzFeed, your opinion on what Harry Potter ship / character is your favorite says squat about your personality and relationship with others in a romantic or platonic context. But who cares? Live your life however you want. I'll be stoic.

It's not opposites attract rubbish or high school opposites attract. Ron and Hermione aren't polar opposites like I said, they are a bit different but similar too in many ways. They have a lot more in common than Harry and Hermione. Ron and Harry have the most in common. Both Ron and Hermione are passionate, loving, argumentative, caring, etc. Your argument lacks substance. It's biased trash. And what does “obhwf " mean?

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at the end of the day, i’m just an annoyed teenager. I try my best to be open-minded to people but only as long as they are too. I tried to use my brain more than my feelings for this post.

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