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Actually no give me more women kissers in media I wanna see these girls hand them over
#I am 99% more likely to interact with something if it has women kissers#on that topic everyone go read this delicious death it’s very queer and very good#only if you like body horror though there is a list of trigger warnings at the beginning which is cool#I need to watch bottoms#on that note everyone go watch bodies bodies bodies#also I want more gender nc lesbians especially enby lesbians I love enby lesbians with my whole soul#hand them over i deserve them#anyways. goodnight. maybe#madurday night live#lesbian#sapphic#women <3#wlw
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pick your battles
#my art#my stuff#art#comic#original art#pride 2024#pride month#trans allegory..... or not even allegory. just trans .... ^_^#i technically cannot come out yet but i don't think the people who i need to not see this stalk my tumblr#i know they stalk everything else like my twitter and my instagram but this might be safe#so fuck it we yap. this is a comic about picking your battles#this is a comic about how for almost a year now everyone at home in singapore has been crying about my sore throat#my terrible fucked up voice. my you know. etc#i came out as not cis and using they/them pronouns in 2015 when i was 14#but no one ever used my pronouns. none of my classmates or friends even up until i left for college in 2020#from 2020 onwards every year i wrote an angry vulnreable essay about how much it hurts that they dont remember#and people would dm me apologizing on their hands and knees and commending my bravery#and then forget about it all over again. id ont mean 'they misgender me and then catch it and apologize and correct themselves'#i mean they dont even get that far#and so you might ask yourself: why have you kept them around all this time?#and i would have to explain that by pure bad luck i grew up in the most conservative close minded community#that all of my ex classmates that stayed in singapore are cishet and upper middle class and chinese singaporean#that i Am the trans person. that they were able to ignore me for a decade partially because there was no one else#so this is a comic about how there is dignity and grace in staying in the closet sometimes#about how not everyone deserves to see you at your happiest. about how some people can go fuck themselves#you know your truth and THATS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS!!! YEAH!!! i love you
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Finally got my tango design finalized o7 yall can probably expect more of this guy in the future
If you like my art I do commissions!
#tangotek#hermitcraft#hermitcraft fanart#moss.png#mcyt#ive spent like 10 hours with sai open determined to finally get a design for this guy#one of my favourite hermits deserved only the best design#it was mandatory to give him 4 arms#if i go feral over a detail others do i couldnt just not put it on my design#this is a new style for hands for me but i had so much fun drawing them and i think they look pretty kickass to me#im so excited to draw more of him yall dont even KNOW
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Basically, my philosophy around disability fakers is: I would rather a thousand people fake a disability than have one disabled person suffer without care, aids, compassion, or any help.
#disability#disability advocacy#and there's a difference not many people seem to recognize between faking and realizing you don't have [x] problem...#...such as realizing you don't have [x] disorder because it is instead [y] disorder...#...or you haven't completely understood your care needs/your symptoms/what helps you...#...and some people see ANY change in your understanding of your disability as proof of maliciously faking...#...when i suppose in my personal experience people don't *maliciously* fake disability...#...i'm not saying it could never happen but that i don't think it's the *only* thing motivating people called fakers#i just think (like most everything) this is complex and nuanced because it's a *human* experience#like for me personally i /know/ i still have a lot to learn about my disabilities...#...like... i realized recently that my hands shouldn't be in AGONY when warm water is ran over them when it's SLIGHTLY cold inside or out...#...and i realized that i likely have a Noticable limb difference that needs checking out. does this sound like i'm faking...#...or that maybe i just didn't really explore my own needs and body because of a variety of factors?#i can assure you it is because i haven't really thought before about how i deserved to understand how to best help myself
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mmmmmm read a disciple shen yuan/shizun luo binghe fanfic about two days ago where the first chapter was the Immortal Conference arc, and SQQ was the one who had to be pushed into the abyss (he was still the villain) except Luo Binghe was refusing and was like, lowkey losing his mind about SQQ being so close to the edge. SQQ ended up having to be the one to fall in himself because of the system's punishment system. The rest of the fic is leading up to that moment. But like, MMM i've been obsessively thinking about that first chapter for DAYS ever since.
now i've been in svsss for a grand total of *checks watch* a week. but god obsessed with that. I want to write/read a fic where disciple SQQ goes a little nuts down there. Like keep all of the things that make SQQ, SQQ, but just. Throw in a little bit more trauma in there. A little bit of a mental break. Let him go a little nuts as a treat. Just a tad unhinged. I wanna see him go, just a little, "god fuck it, i've tried so hard to change this shitty story's outcome and it feels like everything i've done has been for nothing. I'm going to die in this world no matter what I do, I've been doomed from the start, so might as well die the way I want to." and he just, breaks a little! Under all the stress.
He still retains the traits that makes shen yuan, shen yuan, like his overwhelming kindness. But he's just! yk. A little less patient. Paranoid. Jumpy. Colder. A little more aloof and closed off. A little more Shen Jiu. He's no asshole child abuser, but he was a Number One Hater in his past life and he's leaning into that old habit a little more now.
(On a totally coincidental not-at-all related note, there's not enough SJ-and-SY-are-the-same-people fics out there that i've found. This is totally unrelated...)
The Endless Abyss turns the mind into an over-sharpened blade, and SQQ is both fascinated and perhaps a little excited to explore a place that doesn't have a lot of info on it in the mortal realm, but still terrified out of his mind. And he's no Luo Binghe, he doesn't have the sheer brute strength and power to just bulldoze his way through, so he has to be a lot more sneaky and cunning if he wants to survive.
The fic itself role-swapped LBH and SQQ so that SQQ was the half-demon (which lowkey fucks) and LBH the human, but I'm equally-if-not-more obsessed with the idea that LBH remains the half-heavenly demon and SQQ the human. If only because I keep thinking about SQQ befriending some demons (particularly and specifically a group of succubi) and they grow very attached to this Human Cultivator so through magic plot stuff they create some kind of seal/illusion/talisman that makes SQQ appear as a demon because a human cultivator in the endless abyss may as well be the equivalent of putting a giant neon target on your back.
And iirc Shen Jiu was taught demonic cultivation by that one guy(?? i've only been here a week so im not caught up in ALL of the lore yet) so that could totally happen here.
(On the other end of the realms, poor Shizun Luo Binghe is just. losing his fucking mind over losing his most precious and beloved disciple. About .5 seconds from burning down the peaks himself. somebody sedate him.)
The Endless Abyss sucks and SQQ is having a really terrible time and can feel himself going lowkey mad, but also holy shit look at all this WORLD-BUILDING. look at all this flora and fauna, and oh if he had the equipment for it he'd be writing all of this down. ALL OF IT. He was kinda-sorta-already planning on never leaving the Abyss as some sort of fucked up self-exile and self-preservation thing, but now he might? actually just?? never leave if he can help it, like he lowkey likes it down here.
anyways the next time anyone ever sees SQQ again he's got hair so long its almost touching the ground and he's either in rags and half-feral or he's been completely dolled up by his adoptive succubi sisters and still about three seconds from biting anyone who tries to touch him. (he's also lowkey trying to book it back down to the abyss even if he has desperately missed all of his friends and shizun)
#mxtx svsss#svsss au#scum villian self saving system#shen qingqiu#shen yuan#luo binghe#disciple shen yuan#scum villain#svsss#*points at SQQ/SY* i want him to go nuts. as a treat. let him crumble just a little over the stress of his fate and the stress of survival#and the stress of having a lack of autonomy over a handful of his decisions. starry craves angst and she craves a very specific SQQ angst#he was a number 1 hater back in the day and lbr being a hater takes energyyyy. ive heard that this man was the BIGGEST hater i wanna#see him rip a man to shreds with nothing but his tongue and a voice that could cut marble clean in half. skin a man alive sqq you deserve i#*mortal kombat voice* FINISH HIM#i love without-a-cure but unfortunately i dont think SQQ would be able to have WAC and also survive in the abyss.#the succubi nest that adopted him tried seducing him at first. it didn't work. but he did somehow charm them with his cringefail ways#so now they have a brand new mortal big/little brother to dote on. SQQ is frankly delighted to learn all about succubi culture that doesnt#revolve around sex. he makes quite a few friends/allies in the abyss because of his pure fascination and unbiased desire to learn about#demonic culture and all the different niches and nuances of it across species. he's still going insane tho. like that's not stopping.#there's a single LBH pov chapter in the fic and its frankly so unhinged it was fantastic. he's so possessive. he straight up goes:#'oh SQQ isnt gonna be the next peak lord. he's ascending to heaven with me when i do :)' when Sha Hualing (also peak lord) told him that he#couldn't keep his disciple in the bamboo house all the time. what was SQQ gonna do when LBH ascends and he becomes the new peak lord?#gosh that first chapter is rotating around in my mind so bad. LBH was SO unwell. like losing his actual shit over SQQ near the edge.#i so want to write a oneshot abt this where SQQ is also in hysterics (albeit over slightly diff reasons) and tells LBH on his knees:#'this disciple deeply apologizes to his shizun. for he will not be ascending to the heavens with him.' right before he falls into the abyss#this au being disciple SY is for shits and giggles but i can also see it happening for regular SQQ bc 'fuck it im a dead man either way'#frothing at the mouth at this idea also being a SY-is-SJ au too. for the extra angst of SQQ trying to bear the weight of multiple lives on#his shoulders and trying to figure out what is real and what isn't and if he's meant to suffer in all of his lives no matter what he does.#not once in his life has he ever been free to do what he likes has he? self-hatred to the max. he's going mad. poor boy :]
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At rest, your lungs wish to deflate, and your ribcage expands outwards.
#better drawn mdzs#mdzs#wei wuxian#yiling laozu#Happy Friday the 13th!#This is scientific fact btw!#Ventilation operates through a series of active and passive forces#The active forces being muscular contraction with inhalation and exhalation having their own set of muscles.#but the interesting part is the passive forces at work:#The lungs have a certain level of elasticity to them - meaning the more they expand the more the those elastic forces are functioning-#-to try and return the system to rest (exhalation passive forces). Your diaphragm is the main force - pushing against the lungs at rest.#Your ribcage on the other hand is under a state of being pulled outwards. It *wants* to be as open as possible.#These to contradicting forces create a constant push and pull which assists in the ebb and flow of air. Most significantly with exhalation.#Now that being said - the primary action of inhalation ventilation is through control centers in your brainstem.#If you lose connection to that due to trauma you're going to need ventilation assistance.#Small note: Respiration is the cellular event of chemical exchange in the alveoli. Ventilation is airflow and pressure.#They are both important but also very different things. Sadly used interchangeably.#My anatomy nerd brain is screaming over the inaccurate ribcage...but its...recognizable. I will get it right one day.#Okay nerd rant over (I cut out a lot of stuff about pressure gradients. They are cool. To me.)#This is a redraw of an mspaint doodle I made back in april. I yearn to make the Yiling Laozu eerie as he deserves#Tear that bitch (affectionate) apart!#Been playing around with hatching for a while and its amazing how many styles there are! Not sure I'll stick with this one (but it was fun)
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Crowley Of The Day: am I the only one who gets a little emotional when I see angel!Crowley?
#Everytime I see them I just *places my hand over my mouth choking back a sob*#most precious creature to exist#deserves to be happy#Crowley#Aziraphale#Good Omens#David Tennant#Michael Sheen#Good Omens Prime#Neil Gaiman#Terry Pratchett#Ineffable Husbands#Crowley Of The Day#COTD#COTD New Post#New Crowley Of The Day#Daily Crowley Content#Daily Crowley#Good Omens Season 2#GOS2
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Ничего не останется от нас, Нам останемся, в лучшем случае, мы
hi. hello. listen to this song
i have so many thoughts about these two. oh my god. maybe i will write it out some day, but for now drawing it out will do
translation will be under the cut! knowing the words does add to the work so i do recommend reading it. or just enjoy the art <3
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heres the translation, color coded according to how i broke it up for the art. just in casies
first page:
Love is scarier than war
Love strikes more true than steel
second page:
More true, because of your own volition
third page:
You run towards all the winds
Let there be pain and eternal battle
Not atmospheric, not earthly
fourth page:
But definitely with you
caption:
There will be nothing left of us,
we will be left with, in the best case, ourselves
#kunst huli#legend of zelda#botw link#botw zelda#botw zelink#tloz#zelink#totk#botw#i cannot express how proud i am that i actually managed not only to finish this#BUT. to have it look GOOD#painting stuff n making it messy in an appealing way has always been a fucking STRUGGLE for me#n i do think u can see my over-rendering tendencies rear their head up on the last one#and also i guess i should have made the last two pages connect like i did with the rest of them but i think it still works. thematically#the last one is like. the end. a break. the start of a much needed retirement#a breather u might say!#i also think the devs should have let link hug her at the end#he deserves it he thought hed never see her like this again#oh alsooooo since im on a tangent anyway#like many people i was disappointed by the cop-out of just giving link his arm back at the end of totk#and i still think it would be cool if he didnt#(or if he kept the magic hand. just imagine how thatll help with all the restoration work dlkfgjdfkgjdfkg)#BUT anyway. i thought about it. n i have a theory about what tf did they do at the end to get not only zelda but his arm back#the fucking time powers!!! what if they just reversed time on them...........#much to thunk about. anyway#hope u enjoy <3#now i can go finish phantom hourglass#god i hate having to go back to the temple of the ocean king tho. its like dishonored but u cant go up OR knock those guys out
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KISS X KISS X KISS: Love ii Shower (2023) I Atelier Kiss "Aside from me, do you ask someone else to model for you?"
#kiss x kiss x kiss#kiss x kiss x kiss love ii shower#atelier kiss#nagumo shoma#takemoto yusuke#jdramaedit#jdramasource#asiandramasource#userfaiza#userrlaura#uservix#userharu#moonlightsdream#asiandramanet#naoki kinda gagged him when he said 'don't play dumb with me'#he is truly acting dumb#bro you're the one who invited him to come over to YOUR house so that he could model for YOU!!!!#and now you're provoking him to get a reaction out of him - so don't play fucking dumb with naoki pls bc naoki deserves better#but that's the game that yamashiro likes to play i guess#also absolutely obsessed with the contrast between them: naoki with his golden hair golden skin and honest temparement is like the sun#while yamashiro with the black hair black clothes and cold exterior is the like night sky#plus of course let's not forget to say the following: shoma is absolutely beautiful in this shot#this is the only moment where naoki seems to have the upper hand#plus kinda poetic that he's standing above yamashiro when he starts calling him out on his bs#and also the way the sun behind shoma hits him and makes him even more gorgeous and glowing GOD!!!!!!!!!#mywork
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nikolai hunting ghost down whenever they're on the same base and plucking him from whatever duties he has to whisk him away somewhere private. he has no authority, nothing more than his reputation as a rogue pilot with a few screws loose, but the way he fearlessly manhandles the ghost has people ducking out of his way anyway
behind a locked door, he offers ghost the choice of either curling up at his feet or sitting pliant in his lap, his full weight against him with his head lax on his shoulder; warm, comfortable, boneless
he then tucks his mask up above his lips and plies him with fruit and sweets; things he'd never buy for himself, indulgences he’d never entertain, wasted on a hollow shell like him
but nikolai? oh, he knows how much he deserves them; these precious moments of peace where the only thing ghost exists for is the next delicious bite
he feeds them to him one by one; thumbing strawberry juice and powdered sugar from his lips, humming in pure pleasure as he sucks it away, and smiles at ghost’s involuntary shivers when he feeds him his favourites. ghost doesn't even know what most of the sweets even are; what they’re made of or even what country nikolai buys them from. he just knows he loves them; loves the chase of nikolai’s fingers on his tongue after each one even more
nikolai always brings plenty for him, always draws it out, wanting these rare breaths of contentment to last for ghost’s sake as much as his own; offering plump bites of tart, homemade treats, letting rich chocolate melt between his fingers so it's soft in his mouth and watches his eyes flutter shut as he savours it
decadence incarnate; slow taught and hard won
ghost licks the dregs from his fingers and suckles them long after they're clean; the thought of an empty mouth so wrong to his sweet-clouded mind. nikolai coos in russian down at him, brushing his fingers through his hair as he holds him close, but he's too far away to take in any of it; the only thing holding him in the present the sugared fingers held gently in his mouth
after all, nikolai's always been his favourite sweet
#been thinking about nikolai hand feeding ghost to cope#do i hate turkish delight? yes#however i do think its something ghost would enjoy#i just imagine nikolai making a layover in between ferrying soldiers to pick up a bag of it from some 150 yr old store#that still makes it the same way they first did traditionally#and bringing it back just to hand feed it to ghost#i think hed like strong flavours#he gives me licorice vibes#what do we think of nikghost over here is it a vibe#bc im very not normal about them on twt#also niksoap#i just need nikolai to soft dom the entire 141 and force them into looking after themselves#its what they deserve#mr ‘we broke into a country and have limited supplies and options but still made sure to get price his favourite gun and bullets’ nikolai#i also have a tiddy sucking thread i can bring over if this hits#coming out of my cage and ive been doing just fine.txt#we’re a team. ghost team#nikghost#nikolaighost#nikolai/ghost#nikolai x ghost#cod nikolai#nikolai cod#simon ghost riley#ghost cod#rarepair#save post#rare pair
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Welp they're demons now
I turned them into demons and I dont regret it
Enjoy and Happy Halloween folks!
Below is just random notes and doodles I did after making this and starring at it a little too long
#fnaf sb#fnaf security breach#fnaf sun#sundrop#fnaf moon#moondrop#myscribbles#I could have totally make one an angel so it could be like yknow the angel and demon thing#but i just kept thinking of them fighing over who gets to be the angel and let a coin flip decide but somehow they both ended up as demon#neither gets to be the angel#these two started off as just silly lil doodles that got outta hand real quick#anywayssss have a happy halloweeennn- drink waterrrr- have a snackkk- you deserve itttt
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Honestly I see Jimmy's refusal to put Curly out of his misery less about his weird feelings of envy or his delusions but the fact Curly is all but stated to be a shield to Jimmy from his actions and people seeing the worst in him.
The only characters that Jimmy really interacts with one on one before the crash are Curly and Anya, two individuals he has wildly different relationships with. It's likely that Curly really did most of the talking between them as the pilots and the rest of the crew as staff. They didn't know of Jimmy's more reprehensible behaviors cause they never really had the chance to and Jimmy is subconsciously aware. If they had disliked him more than Anya would have told Swansea earlier or even Daisuke when things got really bad.
It's why he takes the immediate opportunity to blame Curly; He's the shield. He's saved Jimmy's ass more times than he can count and more times than Jimmy would ever admit. Even when he can't really do it anymore, he mentally shields himself from his own faults by putting Curly between them. Letting Curly die puts too much on him because he doesn't know how to function without a safety net.
In the end Curly only lives because Jimmy needs the idea that Curly will inevitably make things better to stay alive, meaning Curly has to live, no matter how much it pains him to do so.
#in short Jimmy doesnt only care about Curly#he only cares about the securtiy that Curly provides him#and i headcanon that the reason he tried to kill everyone is because he knew it was only a matter of time befor Curly realized this wasnt#somethgin benign Jimmy did that he could smooth over but somethign that Curly would repremand and condem him for and take his security away#like yes Curly did not react fast enough or strongly enough to what Anya told him but you could see him showing more concern over it as I d#understand the psychology behind people and more specifically men like Curly as he is hearing something horrible his friend did to someone#he cares about but has less of a bond with. he feels the need to protect his crew as people first and sadly Jimmy is still the person he wa#closest too yet I still think everything happened too fast for Curly to process as would you not grapple with the fact your closest friend#is a monster you must personally deal with? or that he did something so vile to someone else you have become protective over? Would you not#think of the relative power that friend holds and how if you approuch this wrong it could end badly for everyone? He had all these thoughts#but not enough time to think about them. Also how Jimmy was one of the main people in his personal life he felt a need to protect seeing as#he got him this job. Like imagine the one person you are really trying to make good is still bad after everythign and now you have to be th#hand of judgment youve shielded them from for so long like I do not think Curly handeled the initial situation with Anya correctly I dont#think it was the case of him not believing but not really knowing what to do and feel about it as a friend of both parties the captain and#guy going through his own shit and it says so much that he was dealing with all that so well compared to Jimmy who got everyone killed cuz#he thought being captain would be like sitting on the thrown and not emotionally mentally and physically taxing like I cant say Curly is th#best person due to his inaction but he is a good person doing the best with the knowledge and shitty resources he has cuz like also Id just#be terrified that my suicidal and nilihst bestie who clearly has an inferiority complex around me is the copilot who has access to the most#to the most important parts of the ship and the means to kill us all if he feels like him or his security are being threatened like#Anya and Curly just deserved better because they get put through the ringer like just put him in a class to teach him to be less trusting#anya mouthwashing#curly mouthwashing#captain curly#mouthwashing#mouthwashing game#mouthwashing curly#mouthwashing anya#mouthwashing jimmy#jimmy mouthwashing#mouthwashing spoilers
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it beats for you
#fuck it we (bawl)#rookanis#lucanis dellamorte#lucanis x rook#datv#dragon age#dragon age veilguard#emmer arts#is that even my tag idk man#i'm just constantly#turning them in my head#MY ROOK IS HE/HIM IF YOU CARE BTW#I KNOW U CAN BARELY SEE HIM HERE LMAO#anyway uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh#yknow that line#at the end#that whole conversation actually#GOD if i could draw comics it'd be all over for your fuckers#and for myself#i'd re-illustrate this entire scene between them#bc it's so intimate#and i just#NEED some HAND HOLDINg#I NEED SOME DEMONSTRATIVE HAND-ON-HEART CONTACT#and probably some kissing let's be real bioware let them kiss#(all companion romances deserve a before the final battle kiss i'll happily die on that hill)#shutting up now time to post bye
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JOSEPH COTTEN and TERESA WRIGHT in 'The Steel Trap' (1952), directed by Andrew L. Stone
– We've never been separated. That's the way we planned it before we married. And I still feel the same way about it. Even more so, I guess. – Do you? – I want you with me always.
for janeaustenlover
#oldhollywoodedit#classicfilmedit#classicfilmsource#cinemapast#the steel trap#the steel trap 1952#joseph cotten#teresa wright#do i care about the plot??? hahhahahahaha#it's soad fanfic to me just like it is to all of us!#no bitchin tho we won a film with them being blissfully married with their hands all over each other!#and we deserved no less#hey ali i hope you like it :))))#mine
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SASHA LUNDY CLUTCHING ONTO EACH OTHER FOR DEAR LIFE HELLO
THE INHERENT ROMANTICISM THAT IS IN BURYING YOUR FACE INTO EACH OTHER AND CRADLING ONE ANOTHER'S HEADS
CAN YOU HEAR MY WAILS?????? CAN YOU HEAR THEM AT HOW LUNDY IS SQUEEZING SASHAS WAIST??? HELLO?????
#anton lundell#aleksander barkov#florida panthers#2324#playoffs 24#im never getting over benny holding sasha face in his hands while lundy waits his turn#and lundy gets a good craddle and squeeze in too before ekky comes barreling in for his personal love sasha session#a team that loves each other a lot#also peep mikksy and luosty in the back#anyways whatever sasha and lundy have got going on is sooooooooooooo#its sooooooooooooo#“yeah i attended a cats game in finland and i saw kuli playing and later got drafted by the same team and we became teammates (sasha)”#and “yeah i attended a cats game in finland and i saw sasha play and later got drafted by the same team and we became teammates (lundy)”#but also add “when i first came over he housed me as well and acted like my tour guide”#and also “and now our 2 way playstyles get compared so much because we are countrymen despite how difference our focuses are in said style”#“and despite how much it should annoy me how conflated we are together im actually honoured by the comparison”#and also “i like being mean (in a loving way) to this kid because his head is too big but i will praise him when he deserves it”#“but also because of that his ego will never not be inflated”#these two are so special#idk i think theres something romantic in watching your future teammate from the stands and winning a cup with them#(the cats are filled with that narrative)#MOM HELP IM CRYING ABOUT THESE TWO AGAINNNNM
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“I did not like to be touched, but it was a strange dislike. I did not like to be touched because I craved it too much. I wanted to be held very tight so I would not break.” via Marya Hornbacker
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“I became bitter and untouchable. I craved affection but even the mere thought of someone caring made my stomach turn.” via @lovey-kun
#been thinking about them a lot recently#roy mustang#riza hawkeye#fma royai#fma brotherhood#fullmetal alchemist brotherhood#i saw someone else post ab how it took until this scene before mustang could allow himself to hold her#sobbing in the corner thinking about them#they’re soulmates your honor#war crimes aside#they deserve such a happy ending#october means crying over maes hughes and royai#i just know hughes was making comments to mustang when riza wasn’t around#Ed 100% picks up on it and makes snarky comments whenever there’s a joke about his height#Back to royai rq#thinking about how touch starved the two of them are#both think their hands are too covered with blood to deserve to touch anyone else let alone the other person
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