#greystripe x silverstream

[diddykitty746]

I want everyone to understand that, before these past few says of pony warriors, despite calling myself a warriors fan, I have not drawn Graystripe. Not once.

That's how imvested I am in this ponification.

[blankeboi]

Reading moonrise for the first time. And ya’ll, I get MothPool now. It’s crazy how much bonding time they get compared to other ships.

Not even FireStorm, SilverStipe, and BrambleFlight have gotten this much attention.

SandFire was mostly always FireHeart being stressed and Sanstorm being frustrated with him. There were only like three wholesome moments in which FireHeart went “ she smells good. “ and they cuddled maybe. BrambleFlight is basically the same thing, with BrambleClaw occasionally being reminded SquirrelPaw is actually pretty smart. All SilverStripe was, was them being defensive of their relationship. Even Brook and StormFur don’t get that much attention. ( though I feel they are a close second )

Of course they have super editions and i imagine there is more bonding scenes in there. But i haven’t gotten that far yet.

On another note, I adore DustPelt and FernCloud ❤️❤️❤️

[beneathsilverstars]

firepaw you fool what do you mean “i can’t tell bluestar that tigerclaw is a traitorous lying bitch who’s trying to get ravenpaw driven out bc he saw him kill our deputy, not when she’s depending on him to protect our clan” THAT’S EXACTLY WHY SHE NEEDS TO KNOW!! so that she’s not depending on a traitorous lying bitch to protect the clan!! bc he demonstrably does not do that!!!!

[wc-confessions]

https://www.tumblr.com/wc-confessions/757042087174848512/fuck-silverstream-and-fuck-millie-i-hate-them-both

this is gonna sound weird but i don't. get how this is misogynistic?? there have been so many posts made to this blog saying it's not misogynistic to dislike female characters and we shouldn't dogpile on people for it. can we pick a side? is it sexist to dislike a female character or not?

because personally anon was definitely weird abt some points but they pointed out flaws in these characters, and while personally i love silverstream i do agree she was way too nonchalant abt this.

the reason why it's misogynistic is bc anon went on a rant abt hating BOTH of greystripe's female love interests and then saying "firegrey forever." it's not a good look to put down women in favor of an mlm ship because that behavior is a staple fandom moment for a lot of misogyny and sexism. ie how a lot of naruto fans in 2010 absolutely despised sakura because she "got in the way" of sasuke x naruto -mod ashensky

[t4twnyclaw]

adding onto the The New Prophecy/ The New Clan AU: feathertail x tawnypelt endgame, sorry.

they are canonically so interesting, being around the same age and both leaving their birth clan (feathertail stayed with greystripe in thunderclan at first.) They both left their birth clan to join a secondary clan to be closer to their other parent, Tigerstar and Silverstream. They also had trouble adapting to the secondary clan with Rowanclaw being especially mean to tawnypelt in TNP arc, and Tawnypelt seemingly have to continuously choose to be in Shadowclan.

[dawnstorm-warriorcat-oc]

Who is your favorite ship?

Who is your least favorite?

I dislike Spottedleaf X Firestar very much. Even if it was a short "love" story. Even then, I don't think Spottedleaf truly LOVED Firestar, I think she idolized him. He was the cat that would save her clan, her home and loved ones. She didn't love him, she loved that he was The Chosen One.

I dislike Millie X Graystripe too. They were okay, but we all know that Silverstream is Greystripe's true mate. And what is going to happen to Millie when he dies? Does Millie go to starclan and then just gets abandoned by Greystripe so he can be with Silverstream?

A fan ship that I dislike in Mothwing X Leafpool. I'm sorry but where in the books does Leafpool mention any loving feelings towards Mothwing? Genuinley asking? I think the two are friends.

I really liked both Leafpool X Crowfeather and Feathertail X Crowfeather. I think the Feathertail's passing was extremely tramatic for Crowfeather and I really loved when he chose her "feather" to be in his name. I think Leafpool reminded Crowfeather of Feathertail and thats why he loved her so much.

[warriors-reshuffled]

In honor of Valentine’s Day, here are a list of ships I’m planning to include in my rewrite. Feel free to send asks about them.

Brokenstar x Blackfoot

Goldenflower x Moonclaw(Tigerclaw)

Lionheart x Frostfur + Whitestorm

Moss-shine(Mosskit) x Willowpelt

Silverstream x Sandstorm

Greypaw(Greystripe) x Barley

Cloudtail x Brightheart

Swiftfang(Swiftpaw) x Ferncloud x Snowdrop

Wolfstep(Brambleclaw) x Rowanclaw

[peculiarwhiskers]

Happy pride month y'all

For the first day of June, i decided to draw silverstream x princess. Before anyone tells me that this ship doesn't make sense, I am aware it doesn't. Not in canon, at least. I only ship these two because of an au of mine.

Basically, i just have characters in different roles in the story. Instead of firestar joining thunderclan, his sister does, instead of bluestar becoming leader, snowfur does, etc. Basically, i get to put more female characters in the spotlight lol.

Since I know many people ship firestar x greystripe and silverstream is filling greystripes role as best friend I just went ahead and made them a canon couple knew my au🤷‍♀️

[justcallmesolll]

Some wc ships i think are pretty neat :]

yeen rambles #5

Fireheart/star X Greystripe; a classic. old as time, cant go wrong with it. there was definitely something between them until Silverstream got ivlolved tbr.

Greystripe X Silverstream; it could've WORKED so well honestly.

Hawkfrost X Ashfur; OK I LOVE THIS ONE SM. it works super well and i think it makes the impact of the fire scene even bigger. i will probably extend on this at some point, but yea it just works so well.

Blackfoot/star X Sol; what is there to be said? they are iconic together.

Talltail/star X Jake; again, another classic. cute ship.

Greystripe X Longtail; HEAR ME OUT OK??? if greystripe decided to stop putting up with Firestars shit, (Which, he should have.) HE WOULD BE SUCH GREAT FRIENDS WITH LONGTAIL. C'MON????

Bluefur/star X Thrushpelt; they could've been so good honestly. missed opportunity smh.

Fireheart/star X Onewhisker/star; idk i feel like that could be interesting.

Rusty X Smudge; i think this is a funny ship tbh.

Hollyleaf X Fallenleaves; they were so cute together tbh.

Yellowfang X Bluefur/star; honestly they would've been great together. the chemistry between them is undeniable.

[blimbo-buddy]

Alright here's what I have so far, if you guys have another one to add let me know but nothing weird please

FireStar x Smudge GreyStripe x Smudge RavenPaw x Smudge SandStorm x Smudge DustPelt x Smudge LongTail x Smudge SilverStream x Smudge OneWhisker x Smudge Gremlin x Smudge Scourge x Smudge Princess x Smudge Hattie x Smudge

What if I made a Smudge pairing poll competition. What then.

[warrior-cats-rants-galore]

Honestly, I hope Graystripe, Silverstream, and Millie live happily in StarClan as a poly couple. Jealous Silverstream isn't canon 😈

I've recently jumped on a Silverstream x Millie train, and it'd be even better if Graystripe could live with his two wives in peace.

[spirit-of-creativity16]

There Is No Such Thing As Bad Ships...Only Bad Crew Members

[knightomoon-xd]

Don’t reblog this. Take a screenshot and tag your OTPS

[saffronscales]

i love greystripe and silverstream,, celebrity queen x loser bf

[birdsong-warriors]

I think the problem with Millie x Greystripe x Silverstream comes from the fact that Greystripe and Silverstream are suppose to be related when they're in a poly relationship with Millie. I could be wrong but as far as i understand, poly relationships don't work as in just "Person x dates both person y and person z", everyone in a poly relationship is romantically involved with eachother. As such, if they're both in a poly relationship Millie, Greystripe and Silverstream would be also romantically involved with eachother. If you want to have it as Millie being mates with both Greystripe and Silverstream, yet these two aren't romantically involved i feel like that would be more of an open relationship rather than polyamorous. Again, i could be wrong here but i'm really just trying to help. I don't think you had any bad intentions with the Millie x Greystripe x Silverstream pairing and i hope you're able ro write them nicely with the time you have in hands and more research on the topic.

GOSH HECKIN' THANK YOU SO SO MUCH FOR WRITING ME AN ACTUAL DETAILED CRITIQUE I COULD SERIOUSLY CRY THANK YOU SO MUCH.

Now that someone has fully explained the concern, I can address it properly! ;v; So far as my research has found and from feedback from people in polyamorous relationships, there are situations called "V Polycules" (gosh please, polyamorous people, correct me if I have my terms wrong, I've gotten some conflicting information on the term "polycules" while doing my research) that describe, well, a V shaped romance where two individuals both date one person without dating each other and there is open communication between everyone. I think whether or not it falls into the category of a polyamorous relationship seems to be up to whoever is involved? So you're probably absolutely right in that I've just been using the wrong terminology! :'D Gray, Silver and Millie probably wouldn't call it as such either, but it will never be specifically addressed anyway, simply hinted at.

Thank you so so much for taking the time to give this in depth feedback!! ;v;

[mallowstep]

What are your opinions on forbidden relationships in Warriors? I've seen people label it as a "trope" because of how common this is. Some find the forbidden romance aspect intriguing, though others find it extremely repetitive and old

I'd like to know your thoughts!

hm. well, it is a trope. i mean, there's an average of one major one a series, right? greysilver, leafcrow (and others, but that's the big one), heatherlion (and implied others), tigerdove, idk i don't remember anything from avos but violetshine luv her but there's probably something, bristleroot. dotc doesn't count bc well it's dotc.

anyway.

definitely a trope.

but that's not a bad thing.

what i think people don't give warriors enough credit for is that these are not all the same forbidden romance. most of them are handled in different ways and bring up different conflicts. i understand why people are tired of them, but let's not discredit one of the only good things in warriors romance: that they make forbidden relationships different.

like, with grey and silver, it's about loyalty and responsibility. leafcrow is just bad idea central, both heatherlion and tigerdove are about responsibilities and young cats, and they have two different answers, and bristleroot is challenging the whole idea from the start.

so like. give credit where credit is due: we're not doing the same (forbidden) relationships again and again. i don't see enough people talk about that.

okay so it turns out i have um. a lot of thoughts about this. idk i just kept writing and now it's over 2k words. so you know. under the cut: matthew does half-baked media analysis to talk about why the code and cats' relationships to it are misunderstood. while actually staying on topic.

anyway from here on i'm just going to say relationship/romance, and understand that i'm generally talking about the forbidden kind. also i'm talking exclusively within the realm of warriors romance, which is, on average, bad. so when i say "X is good," i don't mean "X is good in general," i mean "given what we have, X is good." just to be clear.

right! basically, this is a tool. it creates tension and drama, and that's fine. warriors is a soap opera, remember. soap operas use secrets and relationships and all sorts of plot devices over and over again. warriors is not Serious. it can be dark. it has serious moments. but it is not a Serious Book Series for Serious Kids. it is a soap opera for Future Theatre Kids. yeah?

from that perspective, i'm a-ok with forbidden romance. (also, as a mini-aside, it creates some much-needed genetic diversity when kits are involved.) and again: all of the major relationships are different, so i think that's better than a lot of people give it credit for.

yeah, heatherlion and greysilver and tigerdove are all about the same general idea (loyalty and responsibility), but they all have different circumstances and different resolutions.

so like? yeah. sure. why not?

plus, like, who's reading warriors for the romance? i separate the concept of "romance" from a "relationship" here: i like the relationships in warriors (ivy and dove tension my beloved), but i'm not here to read about tigerheart wooing dovewing. (yes, i do love the tigerdove scenes in oots. no, that's not because i think they're very good at being romantic.)

but i digress.

if warriors was a Serious Book Series for Serious Kids, i'd have a different take here. having been in an IRL forbidden relationship, i have the Personal Insight and Experience to say they're this weird mash of "very much how it feels" and "not at all how it feels."

tigerdove is probably my favourite bc it's the closest to my circumstances, and i think dovewing is a good pov. i like how she breaks up with him because it's a bad idea, but that's not the same thing as not feeling for him.

(heh. twelve-year-old me reading oots like "this will never apply to my life" what did you know)

but to the point, if warriors was serious, i'd point out that the consequences always seem to be internal. we haven't seen characters be punished for their actions. and so on.

but warriors is a soap opera.

and here's my actual thesis: we haven't seen characters be punished for their actions, because "forbidden relationships" are a normal and expected part of clan society.

like no, fandom-at-large, you're kind of missing the point. okay, you know how like. people complain about. idk. ivypool and fernsong being distantly related?

(third aside/very long ivyfern rant, i put a nice big "rant over" after it if you want to skip past it: they're third cousins. they share, max, 2.2% of their genetics. they are fine. do you know your third cousins? do you? yeah. and like. they live in a closed society. there is no one new.

i've never seen someone complain about forbidden romance and ivyfern at the same time, and i do generally agree we should have more mystery fathers, altho for a different reason, but like. idk. this bothers me.

their last shared relative was nutmeg. that's so far back. god. i get it, there was a prophecy saying they're related, but if you remember my rant about how dovewing shouldn't be a part of the prophecy because of how distantly related to firestar is, you know how i feel about that already.

complaining they're related and that's a problem is. deep breath here. it requires demonstrating that warriors has kept track of kinship all the way back to firestar's mother. and even if you wave that requirement, you still have to convince me they would care about that. this isn't a "they're cats, harold" situation, this is a "you would not know your third cousin even if you lived in the same town" situation.

i mean maybe you would. some people do. but my hometown has generations of people who married within its borders. you get as far as "cousin," maybe "second cousin" if you're feeling fancy. i'm not trying to make an always true statement, i just. every time i see someone complain about ivyfern being related, it strikes me as not understanding how extended families work?

i know third cousins isn't technically classified as a distant relative, but you have, on average, 190 third cousins. i feel so strongly about this i looked it up.

like i'm not. okay if you say, "I don't ship ivyfern because they are third cousins and that makes me uncomfortable" you are Valid. in general, you are all valid. i do not think you have to, on a personal level, be okay with ivyfern. you are free to do as you wish.

but. if you want to argue "ivyfern is a Bad Ship because they are third cousins" you have a hell of a burden of proof. simply saying "they share a great-great-grandmother" does not meet that, because like. yeah. we're all pretty damn related.)

(ivyfern rant over)

IVYFERN RANT OVER

right so. anyway. if you remove forbidden romance? you're forcing a lot more of those situations.

i've been messing around with modelling some small-scale fan clan-adjacent stuff to double-check the ratios for wbcd, and it's. it quickly becomes a necessity, is what i'm saying.

but i got distracted like. researching how related third cousins are. my point is not about that, that's like. a different topic. that i crammed into here because i have no self-control.

no, no, what i was trying to get to is: oakheart straight up tells us that cats have half-clan kits all the time, it's not a problem, no one talks about it. and that? that is exactly what we see modelled by warriors.

the only reason greystripe and silverstream have a problem is that silverstream dies and greystripe claims the kits. i feel very strongly that if she had lived, the kits would have been born and raised riverclan kits, that might, maybe, one day, guess who their father is.

we haven't had any half clan kits in a while, which yes! i think is a problem, but like. the fact that the three are medicine cat kits seems to be a bigger issue. which feels right.

and i'm not trying to argue what i think should be, i legitimately believe the text of warriors defends this, even in newer books which throw out a lot of the older world building in favour of more human-like conflict.

as readers, we are naturally following protagonists. we are following the interesting story. but imagine you're just a background riverclan cat. minnowtail, if you will. do you think, do you honestly think, anyone cares about minnowtail?

not in a bad way, just. if she's meeting up with mousewhisker at night, do you think anyone cares? of course not! no one cares. she's not a Protagonist. her kits aren't going to be prophesized about.

heck, finleap switches clans! and it's barely a big deal. it feels like one, but when's the last time anyone bothered dealing with it? that's what i thought.

(also i forgot like all of avos so that very last point might be a bad one if it is my argument stands i just literally do not remember anything in avos but violetshine. none. zero.)

but it's easy to get caught up with characters like hollyleaf and bristlefrost and forget that like. not everyone cares about the code. most of our protagonists do, because it's become mostly equivalent with being moral. and i have an essay draft titled "the code as religion vs the code as law" where i want to expand on this more, but i think like. that idea, that we as readers should use the code as a way of evaluating cats' behaviour, is flawed.

like, i'm not talking about being inconsistent with how that is applied. if you want to say, "the trial leafpool goes through for having half-clan kits is legitimate because of the code," i still think your approach is flawed.

because the cats themselves don't seem to think that way.

the code doesn't, to me, feel like the ten commandments. it does not feel like "you must do this to be a good cat."

rather, it feels like aesop's parables. "here are mistakes cats made and what we do instead of that."

i don't think the cats know the code the way we do. i do not think they memorize a list of rules as kits. i think they know what is and is not part of it, but i imagine they know the stories far more than the rules.

(i'm working on my lore stories to replace code of the clans.)

and even if that's my thoughts, i do think this is supported by the text. no one ever teaches the warrior code, cats just learn it in pieces. "don't waste food because we don't have enough to spare" is taught, not "there's a rule about food and starclan on the code."

that's why the whole arc of the broken code even works: the reason the imposter is able to manipulate things is because cats don't treat the code as a rigid set of rules and commandments, but guiding principles.

the parts of the code that we tend to focus on the most are relationships, apprentices, and battle. or that's my perception. i didn't do a poll to obtain that. there's also the leader's word, but readers don't usually think of that as a good rule, so i'm not including it.

but the parts the cats focus on most are food, territory, and the leader's word. which makes sense: those are basic needs: food, security, and...i don't want to say authority so much as some kind of social system. explaining it would be a whole thing. just trust with me, if you don't mind.

i don't think we have any real reason to believe cats care about half-clan relationships half as much as we do. yes, apprentices are chastized about it, but that's not really the same thing as being punished.

and it's hard to tell, because apprentices being punished has really fallen off, and that's kind of the problem with any argument i try to make about warriors, but.

wow.

i'm actually still on topic? i'm 2k words in and i'm still on topic? a day i never thought would come.

let's wrap this up. cats seem to care about half clan relationships in that: a) they lead to conflicted loyalties, b) they mess with borders and prey, and c) they are in the code as bad. in that order.

and again, if the code was some high and holy religious doctrine, we couldn't have the broken code as an arc. it does not work if the cats are already following it to a t, and know it word for word, because it's signfiicantly harder to manipulate people if they do.

not to the level the imposter does, at the speed he does.

and yes, you could argue that it's more bad writing, but. i think that discredits warriors. yeah, it sure has its fair share of bad writing, but i don't think that's in the way the imposter works. instead, he seizes on a big important doctrine that's nebulous, and uses that to control people.

and that? that feels much more interesting.

so with that in mind, i don't think the cats would care about your typical, non-protagonist forbidden relationship, and i don't think we should, either.

as far as a plot device, i think we're okay with what we have. don't get me wrong, i understand why people are tired of it, but i think we also should remember that warriors is not repeating itself. having multiple forbidden relationships is not repetitive. now, if medicine cats were having half-clan kits every series, i'd make a different argument.

but all of the major forbidden relationships have different outcomes, lessons, and circumstances, and for me, i think that's signficantly interesting.

i didn't really check sources and quotes for this, so like, if you spotted something wrong, feel free to correct me. my overall point stands, but there's a lot of warriors and i have a bad memory, so i could have missed somthing major.