#glinda is the short gay

[capn-atlas]

one short gay

and her tall goth witch girlfriend

one short gay

she'll have a lifetime of fun

every way that she looks at the city

there's something exsquistie

she'll drag elphie to visit

before the day's done

[amber-angel]

I saw Wicked today with my roommates. I have Thoughts

[alicesbread]

We all know Mrs Gulch is technically the Kansas counterpart of The Wicked Witch of the West. Then what if the equivalent of Glinda in the real world is Mrs Gulch's wife??? And like Dorothy doesen't know they're married, but does know that they live together (that's why she pictures them both as the witches of Oz) and knows Gulch is lowkey a bitch, while her wife is always so nice and caring so she subconsciously assigns the roles that way?? What if Glinda is just a little pretty lesbian motherly wife?? In this essay I will-

[liongrl321]

u kno what? imma going to make one too!

IF THEY WONT MAKE GELPHIE CANON IN THE MUSICAL THEN WE NEED TO TAKE IT INTO OUR OWN HANDS!!!

yay

making a powerpoint on why gelphie is canon...

[shadowharkness]

there is something so gay about the song 'one short day' and the specific line:

"i think i've found the place where we belong" (sung by both glinda and elphaba)

the place where they both belong. for elphaba this makes sense. it's all green and she doesn't feel ogled at.

but for glinda? she's revered wherever she walks, be it shiz or munchkinland, she's never faced public scrutiny. so her finding comfort in the emerald city, a place that's entirely green and theatrical, and full of "wonders" that she's never seen, is strange! it seems to imply that there is something within the emerald city that allows her to be her true self.

perhaps its because she wants to be where elphaba feels most secure. she wants to be amongst the free-spirited. she has a whole boyfriend (fiyero) back at shiz, yet she feels like she belongs in the emerald city, where elphaba is able to be herself. it's also super gay because despite glinda being the standard & who people look up to, internally she seems to be going through a conflict. she cannot be herself (queer, unashamed) unless she's with elphaba.

near the end of the song, elphaba and glinda repeatedly make references to returning to the city, calling it "home" and a place to "make their way", heavily implying that the two of them would return together. they're gonna move in! and no one will judge these two women for living together and being together in any capacity.

one short day is the gay yearning to feeling accepted song of all time.

[the-clock-of-the-time-dragon]

Okay so hear me out... [Massive spoilers and speculation on Wicked films ahead]

It's apparent that Wicked Part 2 is going to have new, expanded, and altered scenes — but by far the most tantalizing is implied by the first scene of the first film.

We see a cloaked figure on horseback fleeing from Kiamo Ko after the Melting, and then we see Dorothy, Tin Man, Cowardly Lion, and the Scarecrow on the Yellow Brick Road back to the Emerald City. This is in keeping with the 1939 Wizard of Oz, which implies something hugely important about the plot of Wicked Part 2: the musical's original ending has been changed.

In the original stage version, Fiyero comes back to Kiamo Ko after getting his diploma brain from the Wizard and all that, and Elphaba comes out from her little trapdoor, and then they leave Oz together without telling anyone. It's unclear (on purpose, obviously), but it seems very apparent that the cloaked rider we see at the start of the 2024 film is Elphaba. This leaves us with a few possibilities for how the plot will unfold in Part 2.

1.) Elphaba simply leaves alone, telling nobody — not even Fiyero — that she's alive. I am okay with this, since honestly the way that the finale of the musical was written has always felt kinda clunky and borderline plot-holey to me.

2.) They still end up having the original ending happen, just switched around the order of some of the events. Maybe Elphaba escapes first but then finds Fiyero alone elsewhere somehow, and in the end still leaves Oz with him. I'd accept it — it is probably the most likely version they might go with — but with all the changes being made, I would be a little disappointed if it ends up this way ngl, when they have the chance to make a new ending that far surpasses the original.

3.) Elphaba leaves alone BUT makes Glinda and/or Fiyero aware of her survival somehow. This is actually a surprisingly plausible option I think, since Elphaba in the original show immediately wanted to tell Glinda she was alive (with Fiyero talking her out of it — which may not be a thing that happens anymore); and just IMAGINE how poignant heartrending it would be if Glinda were to find the old Emerald City guide with the note she wrote her in it, but with "I hope you get what your heart desires" in it in Elphie's handwriting, or something like that. Maybe even with Glinda singing her final "Good News!" after seeing it — leaving the door open that Glinda might have a chance to find her Elphie someday. Or hell, if they wanted to they could use the closing lines of the book in some form: the classic "did she ever come out?" and "not yet" (which of course itself has some delightfully sapphic undertones)

4.) Mostly wishful thinking on the part of my very very sapphic ass, but... can you fucking IMAGINE if they dared to rewrite an ending where Elphaba finds Glinda and asks her one more time "come with me..."?? And then they LEAVE OZ TOGETHER??? Not as plausible an answer as the others, I know — but can't a girl dream? I mean they set it up so well, if nothing else it's THERE for them to use if they decided to have the courage. In the first movie Elphaba says "come with me" twice to Glinda: first when she asks Glinda to come with her to the Emerald City (her 𝓱𝓮𝓪𝓻𝓽’𝓼 𝓭𝓮𝓼𝓲𝓻𝓮), and lastly when she asks Glinda to come with her on her broomstick and escape (which of course Glinda refuses). If they decided to give Glinda a second chance to say yes and go with her, and this time she takes it... I mean, it would just be a really solid payoff to the material already established and obviously would also short-circuit all our gay little hearts. And the fact it's even conceivable they COULD do that is really exciting in and of itself. It isn't 2003 anymore, the stars are very on board for queerness — the only thing really reining in my hopes is the fact a major Hollywood family film blockbuster (even in 2024, sadly) usually can't bite the bullet and go full gay: BUT, who said it would have to be explicitly gay if Elphaba and Glinda leave together? Who's to say we couldn't get them And They Were Very Good Friends-ing away into the sunset together? No Homo as the plausible deniability needed to pull off the best sapphic victory in movie history? Oops, there go my hopes again, trying to defy gravity, lol

[pinkgoeswellwithgreen]

One Short Day in a nutshell

Elphie: MUSEUMS, BOOKS, I LOVE THIS PLACE

Glinda: SPAS, CLOTHES, I LOVE THIS PLACE

The residents: You think these two gay or something why they holding onto each other for dear life

Idina: Maybe we should stop them making the same mistakes we did

Kristin: You know they have too so we...I mean...they get their happy ending

Wizard watching from behind curtain: Why didn't Morrible tell me Elphaba was bringing her lover, I think they are superglued together.

[murderouswidowsmatter]

Just saw Wicked for the second time, and I for once feel very happy to be in this timeline. It’s so good and shows such clear love for the source material. It really shows that making a Wicked adaptation was Jon Chu’a dream project for years before landing the role as director. Even the title card is a clear love letter to tradition of movies he is stepping into. The casting is great, next to zero complaints, and Cynthia and Ariana are incredible. While I don’t necessarily prefer a closeted lesbian read of Glinda (I don’t think the closet exists in Oz and I think her relationship with Fiyero is genuine), Ariana nailed the gay longing and heart eyes that I like to see in a Glinda. I’ve been strapped to the Gelphie train for over a decade, and I don’t plan to get off anytime soon.

The movie’s not perfect, though, and I do have some complaints. They strip back the instrumentation in a lot of the songs, relying very heavily on percussion (seriously, there is a lot of snare). For a score as iconically epic as Wicked’s, the choice is a bit baffling. It exacerbates the jerkiness of the choreography, which is not my favorite. The dancing has a lot of sharp, jarring movements where people are stomping and lunging. Maybe if the music was more orchestral or if the choreography were different or even if they had just chilled it with the stomping folio, it would be fine. But in combination it’s not my favorite.

The bit the add in the middle of One Short Day with the Wizomania performance is pretty musically weak for me. It loses the melody and the momentum of what should be a very high energy number. I get the exposition was important, but the only good part of the scene was the cameos (which I wouldn’t trade for the world).

In general there are a lot of brakes in the middle of songs for added bits, and while some work for me, others really don’t. The repeated interruptions to Defying Gravity devalue the impact a bit. I mean the leads are so talented that they can carry it, but I think the sequence could do with less cutaways to guards running down halls or breaking down doors. I like the idea of slowing several parts of the song, but the cutaways slow down the pacing enough that you kind of start to feel it when they cut the tempo.

The whole span Sentimental Man and the ending of Defying Gravity could be tightened up a bit. I’m happy that they are doing it in two parts, but I think it could have been a 2 hr movie rather than a 2 1/2 hr movie if they stopped trying to make it an action movie.

[ichiwashername-o]

Sorry to bug you, but I had a question: as someone who's full extent of knowledge re: Oz and Wicked is "I have seen the 1939 Wizard of Oz movie, and I've been told both that the books are super crazy and Dorothy's actually gay as hell, and also been told Wicked is the secret sad gay backstory of Glinda and Elphaba." I'm surprised to learn a) that Scarecrow was a real guy, b) he and Tin Man knew each other pre-Oz movie's story, and c) he apparently dated Elphaba, so my question is: is he a "her boyfriend until it turns out she was gay and the romance was doomed" boyfriend, or was I lied to about the nature of the story of Wicked being a sad lesbian backstory?

Oh boy, a lot to unpack here so let's see if we can break this down XD

Without getting into spoilers, it's important to know the book Wicked is a very, very different thing from the musical Wicked. I admittedly had never read any of the original Wizard of Oz books beyond the first one so I don't know anything about the whole "Dorothy is gay" thing but apparently that's true? I'll leave it to others who've actually read the series to verify on that.

My comics are solely focused on the musical adaptation of Wicked and such major plot points and characters are very different from the book, and if you'd like a break down, I'll post it under the spoiler below. Although I would recommend either waiting in eager anticipation for the movie to come out this November or find a Wicked bootleg slime tutorial on Youtube if you'd like to see the theater adaptation yourself. I highly recommend doing so.

Ok, so to break it down: Yes, both the Scarecrow and the Tin Man were actual people before they become the iconic figures we know and love (at least as far as the musical is concerned) And yes, Wicked is gay as hell, and though the musical isn't nearly as gay as the book, the relationship between Glinda and Elphaba that can absolutely be read as gay.

The Scarecrow, whose name is Fiyero, was a prince who initially dated Glinda but then things happen and he falls for Elphaba instead. He breaks off his engagement to Glinda to run off with Elphaba. The two have a steamy sexy duet together but tragically the relationship is bitterly short; the Wizard's guards take Fiyero prisoner and try to torture him for information on where Elphaba is hiding. In a desperate gambit to save his life, Elphaba casts a spell on him, which turns him into a scarecrow.

Also Fiyero and the Tin Man (who in the musical is Boq) went to university together so they sort of know each other. In fact, all four of them went to school together, which is where the majority of Act 1 of the musical takes place.

The book is very, very different: Tin Man (Nick Chopper) keeps his original backstory of getting his limbs chopped off by an enchanted axe and Fiyero dies (I can't remember exactly how but probably somewhere along the lines of "Wizard's guards capture him and beat him to death"). Obviously the musical changed these things to tie all the characters together and give it a bit of a happier ending.

I do not blame you if you are now more confused than before.

[lilcarol]

Just saw Wicked, emotions ahead

Wicked has finally premiered in this backwards country i live in, and after 2 weeks of dodging spoilers online, i've finally got the chance to watch it! Spoilers ahead!

First of all, miss Ariana Grande, I WAS NOT FAMILIAR WITH YOUR GAME! Girl played Glinda perfectly: gay and broken! I cried with the first verses of NOMTW, 'she died alone' ugh.

some of her acting choices were so subtle yet... gay! The little pause after 'we're just two friends, two good friends, two best... friends'. that was something alright, miss Grande, i see you and appreciate you!

i loved seeing their life in Shiz in more details, that's one of my favorite moments from the book, so seeing it on screen was very rewarding. What Is This Feeling was even gayer than usual, they could not fall asleep thinking about each other, i mean, come on!!!

loved ariana's own spin on popular, and again, very gay. the gelphie could not be contained, you guys

shout out to jonathan bailey's very form fitting pants in dancing through life

i was very emotional during the ozdust scene, but did not cry, i never cry on this scene, but somehow wept like a baby with one short day??? seeing kristin and idina broke me, for real. also, stephen schwartz!!

now let's talk defying gravity: it hurt so much seeing gelphie having their last argument, elphie asking glinda to join her and seeing glinda's reluctance. 'i hope you're happy, my friend' THE FEELS!

all that said, i was not a fan of how they broke down the song into sections, i felt there was way too much dialogue and it made it less impactful? idk just think once elphaba is flying, the song should've continued without any pause

anyway much to ponder, but excited to catch up on all the art i've missed these past 2 weeks!

[noheteroexplanation]

List of my works on AO3

Fandom: House of the Dragon

Ship: Alicent Hightower/Rhaenyra Targaryen

lately i've been crying (like a tall child)

Chapters: 7/7 - Status: completed

Canon compliant. Speculative fic for Alicent's story in seasons 3 and 4 based on my predictions for the TV show and my reading of the book Fire & Blood.

i have lived now longer than she did

Chapters: 1/1 - Status: completed

Canon divergent. Alternate happy ending for 'lately i've been crying (like a tall child)'. This can be read as a stand-alone work.

i tried to be good (am i no good?)

Chapters: 1/1 - Status: completed

Canon divergent. Vampire Alicent in the canon universe.

something smells rotten (and it's starting to spread)

Chapters: 1/1 - Status: completed

Canon divergent. What if Helaena died during the riots in 2x06? Alternate Dragonstone meeting. Sad ending.

we're just two slow dancers (last ones out)

Chapters: 1/1 - Status: completed

Canon compliant. Set during the time jump between 1x05 and 1x06. Short and sweet.

something is better than nothing at all

Chapters: 4/4 - Status: completed

Rhaenicent implied. Alicent/Mysaria smut set during a possible season 3. Alternate ending to the Dance.

Fandom: Wicked (Movie 2024)

Ship: Elphaba Thropp/Galinda Upland

you could've picked me

Chapters: 1/1 - Status: completed

Canon divergent. Explores the deleted scene "Elphaba's Promise" by making it more gay.

i'm always afraid (but never to die)

Chapters: 2/9 - Status: in progress

Canon divergent. Glinda performs magic for the first time to save Elphie during Defying Gravity. She goes with her.

love is just another leap of faith (and i jump right in)

Chapters: 1/1 - Status: completed

Canon divergent. Galinda's POV of the Ozdust Duet but with an added kiss.

Fandom: Stranger Things

Ship: Robin Buckley/Nancy Wheeler

and she's the freedom, freedom (i need to taste)

Chapters: 1/1 - Status: completed

Canon compliant. Follows Robin through the end of s3 and through all of s4 with a focus on her sexuality and feelings for Nancy.

Fandom: Game of Thrones

Ship: Yara Greyjoy/Daenerys Targaryen

Not The Plan

Chapters: 20/20 - Status: completed

Canon divergent. Yara and Daenerys fall in love after 6x09. Angst with a happy ending.

Fandom: Legacies

Ship: Penelope Park/Josie Saltzman

A Thin Line between Love and Hate

Chapters: 1/1 - Status: completed

Canon compliant. Fic told from Penelope's point of view expanding upon episode 1x06.

[asssneksual]

just saw the wicked film so gonna talk about my favourite bits :)

some spoilers below

i cried when the munchkins had glinda torch the wicked witch thing. like noo thats her gf :(

when i heard cynthia singing for the first time- if i werent already gay i wouldve becomr so right there and then

i'd heard this fiyero was very flirty with both men and women. but nothing, NOTHING couldve prepared me for the utter cunt and bisexuality that man emitted. he even had me, an ace lesbian, whipped

holy fuck i gasped when kristen and idina appeared. and they started singing a part of elphie's and glinda's bit in one short day, i cried omfg

jeff goldblum is fucking iconic as the wizard

extra shoutout to:

cynthia being fucking gorgeous

cynthia having the most wonderful voice

fyero's cunt-serving

respectful treatment of wheelchair users :)

nothing could have prepared me for how utterly gay glinda and elphie were in this, and thats coming from someone who has seen the musical live as well as clips from other performances and has been a hardcore shipper since day 1, and id already heard a lot of how gay it was. it was still even gayer than i'd thought/expected

[hereidinathoreauwrites]

The only way I will accept the cat fight in part 2 is if it is played so straight it becomes a gay tragedy.

Let me explain.

In the stage version, the cat fight is usually played for laughs as a moment of comic relief in the middle of a lot of drama. It comes as a break between Elphaba losing Nessa and Fiyero being captured as some much-needed levity.

But imagine: Glinda slaps Elphaba. Elphaba cackles but her heart isn’t in it. Elphaba slaps Glinda. Suddenly they lunge at each other, wand and broom clashing. They are sparring; striking and blocking with increasingly desperate movements as they both try to hurt each other and can’t. One of them slips through a block but stops just short of striking. Eventually they end up on the ground, no longer really fighting just…tousling. Weapons abandoned, wrists gripped, knees between thighs. Dresses torn. Elphaba's hat tossed aside.

They stop, panting, Glinda astride Elphaba in a dark callback to Popular. The pain in Glinda’s eyes as she looks down at her friend. Because Elphie left her again. Again, she chose Fiyero over her. Again, Glinda is Not That Girl.

And she can’t have Elphaba the way Fiyero can. Not after everything she’s done.

And just as Elphaba sees all of this, realizes that she broke her promise again and moves to say something, the guards arrive.

[glindafication]

WICKED ON THE WEST END!!!

I went to see a matinee performance of Wicked on the west end today, meaning I can now add Alexia Khadime and Lucy St. Louis to the list of incredible women who have altered my life and ruined my mascara (slight exaggeration but it sounds good) through their portrayal of my favourite gay witches.

Also: I missed NOMTW and had to watch the Wizard and I and half of what is this feeling on a shitty TV feed because of transport issues- Fuck TFL

Here is a collection of thoughts/ observations from the performance:

-I haven't seen the musical live since 2019 and I forgot just how amazing it is live in general. If you ever get the chance to see the show in person it is WELL worth it. The lights, the music, the costumes, all so incredible. Particularly when the lights came on for the emerald city at the start of one short day. I don't know what it was but it was just so amazing. Also the costumes look so much better when you can actually see them in front of you. The little twinkles in every single one of Glinda's costumes that you just can't see on camera and then it gets even better in act two. (side note, there are DEFINITELY holographic sequins on the bubble dress and they're gorgeous)

-One thing I remember from seeing the show when I was 11 is that the Oz head was so UNGODLY LOUD. Every time it came on stage after I heard it speak for the first time I covered my ears until it was gone. Idk if my noise tolerance has gotten better or if the Oz head has actually gotten quieter, but it wasn't nearly as bad this time. Like, I remember when he called the guards, the 'Yes, your Ozness' was actually louder than the head itself

-I always thought that the popular dress didn't have a matching purse the way the shiz and one short day costumes do but maybe it does??? She was definitely holding a bag during the scene when she was getting ready with Pfannee and Shenshen and I'm pretty sure it was a unique one. But then she only had it for that tiny scene so idk

-The bubble wand does seem to be different on the West End to the one on Broadway. It's more like... 3 dimensional? If that makes sense. It kind of projects outwards around the centre in more of an orb rather than the bits all sticking out in more of a disc like on Broadway

-There are a few minor changes to the script on the West End. Mostly just English-ifying it slightly. The only things I noticed were Glinda saying 'we all went to uni together' instead of 'school', Madame Morrible said 'sorcery tutorial' rather than 'seminar' and Glinda said 'thanks awfully' to Fiyero rather than 'thanks plenty' in thank goodness

-Lucy St Louis is VERY GOOD at that thing where you make it sound like ur about to cry (idk if there's a word for it) and her Glinda made me very sad at all the points where it's supposed to- I almost cried during thank goodness, for good and the finale. Also she held 'Because' for quite a while and she went very high with it- sounded absolutely gorgeous

-On the topic of the singing, both actresses were just so amazing. No good deed and for good were standouts but they sounded incredible for the whole show

-I was pretty sure that when I saw Wicked for the first time in 2019 (6 years ago yesterday, in fact) that during march of the witch hunters, when Morrible and Glinda are talking/arguing/whatever that interaction would be called, I saw Morrible grab Glinda by the wrist and fully yank her hand off the railing. I remembered being quite shocked by it in the theatre because something about it just seemed so violent. I wasn't sure if I was misremebering it because I hadn't seen any other Morribles do it but I think it might actually just be another West End thing. When I saw it today, not only did this happen, but it was actually worse than I remember it being. Morrible held onto her wrist for some time, and then moved her hand back and forth to forcibly make her wave to the witch hunters. Then she practically threw her hand back down. So, yeah, 11 year old me was right about that and it was actually more messed up than I remember it being. (I know this isn't that violent but it is kind of alarming to watch, like something about it is just so unsettling)

[outlanderfandomfollies]

Once again, in an attempt at a "gotcha" moment, a shipper overlooks an important detail, resulting in a total fail!🤦🏻‍♀️

Someone sent me a screencap of shipper SD's weird commentary on me** and my most recent fandom post. I know I shouldn't bother responding, but the insulting tone of her comments was particularly annoying--especially because SD had so cluelessly overlooked an important detail in coming to at least one of her conclusions.

Which Old Witch?

But first things first, SD said I was one of the "Witches of Mordor."🧙🏻‍♀️😱

How dare she! I'm not a "Witch of Mordor!"

I'm from Oz.😉

Hasn't she seen the header on my Outlander Fandom Follies Blog?

Hasn't she noticed my avatar? It's not just any old witch--it's Glinda, the Good Witch of the North. 🧙🏻‍♀️🪄😉

(Want to bet that some shipper takes what I said above literally, and claims that I admitted that I am a witch? 🙄😂)

When "Gotcha!" Backfires

Now that the "witch" stuff is out of the way, let's talk about the quote from my recent fandom post that made SD think she had found a reason to say "gotcha":

And so once again, I am saying "Really?" Not just for me, but for the small contingent of Tumblr Outlander fans who are not living in an "alternate reality," and who perhaps need to know they are not alone.

SD took this to mean that I was somehow "clumsy" in "inadvertently admitting" that "Shippers are the quiet majority of this fandom, or what is left of it."

It seems that in her "gotcha" excitement, SD overlooked one very important word in my comment: "TUMBLR." Specifically, I wrote: "the small contingent of Tumblr Outlander fans who are not living in an 'alternate reality.'"

I purposely limited my comment about reality-based Outlander fans to those on Tumblr, because hey, I was posting on my Tumblr blog--which is the only place I post about Outlander. And Tumblr is where most conspiracy theorists in the fandom (which includes the shippers***) hang out. Consequently, those of us who are on Tumblr and who aren't involved in conspiratorial thinking are in a minority. But that is NOT the case in the larger Outlander community outside of Tumblr.

Tumblr Outlander Fans Are "Special"

Unfortunately, because so many fandom conspiracy theorists are on Tumblr, the Outlander Tumblr community has a reputation in the larger fandom of being completely out in left field.

I'm not saying that there aren't any SC shippers or closet crew folks on other social media platforms, but I am saying that Tumblr has a reputation for being a place where "alternate reality" fans congregate.

Outside of Tumblr, the vast majority of Outlander fans aren't shippers, nor do they believe that S is gay.

Most Outlander fans don't even know what shippers are--and when they find out, they typically consider SC shipper beliefs to be very strange.

But don't take my word for it, take Diana Gabaldon's...

[Below the cut are some of Diana's spot on observations about SC shippers and Tumblr. In addition, you will find my rebuttal to the following SD insults comments--shown in the screencap below.]

"A Closed Circle of Positive Reinforcement"

Diana wrote some interesting comments on TheLitForum.com in Jan. 2018, after she was attacked on her Facebook page by shippers for having congratulated Cait on her engagement.

Can you imagine being so far down the rabbit hole of SC shipping as to directly accuse Diana of "creating fake news for money"? Can you imagine telling Diana that her congratulating Cait on her engagement "discredits" her?😳

Someone in TheLitForum then asked Diana if she had deleted the awful comments she had received. Diana said that most likely the comments were deleted by the person(s) who posted them, after some of her "700,000 followers" did not take kindly to the comments. 

I love Diana's description of Tumblr:

(I don’t go on tumblr—life is Much Too Short—but I saw a few of the first shipper discussions when they started a couple of years ago; it’s a closed circle of positive reinforcement)

Diana underscores how when shippers venture outside of their "closed circle of positive reinforcement" on Tumblr, they are often surprised and dismayed by the fact that most Outlander fans don't support their views. Consequently, they often have to run back to their Tumblr "closed circle" to get the reassurance they need to keep on shipping.

An absurd SC "narrative" is compared to--"Slavery"?😳

I'm honestly astounded by this part of SD's commentary:

I assume the "Ten (but soon to be 12) Years a Slave" is a reference to the shipper's absurd belief that S & C are being "forced" by TPTB to "hide" their love and their "family" for at least the past 10 years--12 years by the time the series ends.

Besides the fact that this absurd shipper "narrative" would be illegal if it actually happened in this day and age, it is beyond the pale to compare this fan-invented SC "narrative" to the horrific institution of slavery.

Please. Try having a little perspective here.

The "Orc Army" and "Normalcy" in Shipperville

SD went from her inappropriate "Slave" comments to complaining about the threat of the "Orc Army."

MAKE UP YOUR MIND: On the one hand, SD is claiming that "Shippers are the quiet majority of this fandom," and those who don't buy into the conspiracy theories are a "small contingent"; yet, on the other hand, she is suggesting there is a whole "Orc Army" out there determined to "fuck up every single shred of normality."

How can a "small contingent" also be an "Orc Army"?

Well, beside the "Orc" insult, in case she hasn't noticed, most of us who used to take time to debunk SC shipper nonsense have moved on. So where is this "Army"?

For instance, aside from my recent "Really?" post, It's been a long time since I've posted a stand alone critique about the fandom, or a conspiracy debunk. As a matter of fact, going back over my archive, except for my occasionally reblogging others' posts and commenting about them, or once in a while reblogging one of my old stand alone posts on the fandom, it appears that the last time (before the "Really" post) that I wrote a new stand alone fandom critique/ conspiracy debunk was NEARLY A YEAR AGO on August 13, 2023.

But even if there are still some fans on Tumblr who are actively critiquing the fandom or debunking SC "receipts" and conspiracies, they weren't the ones "to fuck up every single shred of normality" in Shipperville.

THE "NORMALITY" WAS MESSED UP BY "TINHATTING": Whatever "normality" existed in Shipperville was messed up after Cait became engaged to Tony in 2018. At that time, whoever remained of the SC "wishful shippers" (i.e., the shippers who were reality-based and just wished that SC might be a couple someday) pretty much were replaced or driven out by hardcore "tinhat" shippers.

And although tinhat shipping is ubiquitous, it is the bane of every fandom in which it takes root, because the tinhatters won't see reason, and some even attack other fans, the SOs of the celebrities they ship, and sometimes the celebrities themselves. This is why lots of celebrities don't appreciate tinhat shippers or tinhat stans.

In other words, the tinhat shippers were the ones "to fuck up every single shred of normality" in Shipperville. They're the ones who drove out any wishful shippers who didn't buy into the SC conspiracy "narrative." They're the ones who created block lists so that newbies couldn't learn about different perspectives. They're the ones who went and looked at blurry video footage of events like C's father's FUNERAL to try to prove that SC are still a couple.🙄

On Manipulation

And then we have this comment by SD:

Well, I'm glad SD thinks I'm "not an idiot." However, what on earth is she talking about by calling me "a Manipulator-in-Cheap"?

I have no idea what the "Cheap" is about, but I am NOT trying to "manipulate" anyone. I just post my opinion on my own blog from time to time. I don't go to shipper blogs and comment. The only reason I saw SD's post at all is that someone sent me a screencap.

I figured out back in 2015 that S & C weren't a couple, but that C and T were a couple. I had lightly shipped S & C for two months in Feb. and March of 2015, and I was heartbroken when I figured it out. But it was what it was, and I didn't try to rationalize it all away.

After C married T in 2019, and the MC was later obtained by a number of Outlander fans (including some shippers), it seemed to me that one would really would have to work hard to dismiss all the accumulated information over the years that does not support the ship.

That's what I believe, and that's what I say every once in a while when I post about some shipper nonsense that is brought to my attention. When I choose to post, it is usually just out of frustration with the fact that so many adult women keep fooling themselves.

MY ATTENTION IS ELSEWHERE: But I am NOT very invested in this fandom anymore, so why would I bother to manipulate anyone?

Four years ago, I turned my main CO blog into a general blog, with a progressive American politics emphasis. I also created my Outlander Fandom Follies side blog, which I use when I occasionally post about the fandom or Outlander and its stars (although I also use it to reblog posts for "romance" shows like Bridgerton).

Since I changed the topics on my main CO blog, I have gained tens of thousands new followers (granted, about a third of them are probably bots 🤖😉).

As you can see from this post, I like to make or edit gifs. But I prefer to make gifs about politics these days. You can see an example of the kind of political post I like to make here.

In addition, unlike the Outlander Tumblr community, the Tumblr progressive political community is very supportive, and has zero drama.

I have a busy schedule in my real life, but in my limited time off, I prefer to post about American politics. The Outlander fandom is rarely on my mind. So why on earth would I want to manipulate anyone?

Oh Please!

Finally, we have this little gem from SA's rant:

Like a good conspiracy theorist, SD uses any reaction others have to shipper nonsense to confirm her conspiracy theory.

When I heard about "Kissgate," I rolled my eyes and posted about it because I was flabbergasted that after all these years shippers were still finding videos, enlarging small details, and misinterpreting the resulting fuzzy gifs/ photos, in order to keep their ship afloat.

If any of my nerves were activated when I was told about Kissgate, it was the ones that cued me to roll my eyes.

Sometimes, unfortunately, the truth hurts.

I'm sorry SD if I have offended you by just stating what to me is clearly the truth.

I don't believe SC shippers are "crazy," but I do believe they have succumbed to a very "addictive" conspiracy theory, and to the community that supports that theory.

Good luck to you if you choose to continue to stay on the ship. My fear for you is how you will feel when you finally figure out that you have wasted years on the ship to nowhere.

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__________ Video sources for my gifs/ my edited gifs: Glinda gif; Gotcha! gif; Pizza Delivery & Fire gif; Orc army gif; Manipulation gif, "Oh, please" gif: 01 + 02 Closed circle/ echo chamber/ bubble manipulated image sources: 01 + 02 Other gif sources: "Wait, What?" gif; "I can't" gif; Eye roll gif; "I've moved on" gif; "The truth hurts" gif Outlander Fandom Follies blog header*and avatar image: The sources for these can be found here; note that the header is a manipulated image with multiple sources. Other image sources: "The Australia Brief" conspiracy wall image NOTE: All gifs/images above (except for "The Australia Brief") were modified from their sources. **SD referred to me with my old "CO" moniker, which is odd for a relative newbie to do. I turned my CO blog into largely an American politics blog 4 years ago. When I write about the fandom now, I do so on my outlanderfandomfollies side blog. ***I'm using the generic "shippers" in this post to refer to "tinhat"/ "extreme" shippers, who actually believe their conspiracy theories. I've generally left off the "tinhat"/ "extreme" qualifiers in this post (except for the section that deals with "tinhatting") because I don't think that "wishful shippers" exist anymore in this fandom. I've never had any quarrel with shippers who just wish that S & C were a couple, but know they're not.

[punk-o-ween]

WICKED .... THAT MOVIE. WAS SO LIFE CHANGING. THAT MOVIE WAS SO GOOD PLEASPLEPALSPELSPSLS this is ABSOLUTELY a yap session so if u dont wanna hear abt that then thats why theres a cut PLUS THERES INSANE SPOILERS SO and also dont mind me sounding like a newbie i watched the musical but i forgot everything so uhm....

THERES ALSO SOME ZARI LORE IN THIS YAP SO !!! long story short: 10/10 absolutely gorgeous and beautiful but some parts did disturb me a little :-)

so i wanted to go see this SO BAD because i actually watched the musical thru slime tutorials because my uncle (not biologically, hes a meteorologist that works at the job i intern at and the job my dad works at as a director) requested it because he ALWAYS plays defying gravity everytime im there and i was like omg this shit is SO GOOd when the movie comes out ill be the first one there

and i was *PRIME EXAMPLE* 🗣️🗣️

this movie. oh my god. that was LIFECHANGING. i love how the story of wicked itself is just how to treat others the way u wanna be treated okay like its not that hard i fear...my mum said that she liked this movie mostly because of the indirect reference to how real life is with black women and girls who had to deal with what elphaba went thru and how just your skin colour can change everyone's perspective on you and my mum was so true for that 😕

but anyway, aside from that, that movie was LESBIAN. SO SO SOS OS SO SO SO SO HOMOSEXUAL I WAS ROLLING MY EYES THE ENTIRE MOVIE LIKE BITCH IF YALL DONT KISS ALREADY LITERALLY WAS RIPPING MY HAIR OUT ☹️☹️☹️ there was a scene where they both fell on glinda's bed together snd glinda was looking SO fondly at elphaba i thought they were abt to kiss PLUS THERE WAS A SCENE WHERE GLINDA GOT CLOSE TO ELPHABA'S FACE MEOWMEOWMEOWMO LESBIAN.

side note rq. fiyero MEOWWWW HMU BABYGIRL bro bro bro. hear me out PLEASE PLEASE he is SO FUCKING GORGEOUS the way him and glinda were like spinning around eachother omfg i turned to my mum so fast and said "GIRLLL 🤤🤤" like clean up on aisle my pants IM KIDDING

ANYWAY BACK TO THE MAIN PLOT, i love the little references to the wizard of oz! i never watched the og wizard of oz but i ALWAYS watched the wiz growing up (the one with diana ross as dorothy) and so omg!! there was a scene with a little lion that fiyero and elphaba saved from that fuckass history teacher (ill get to that soon) and i think that was the cowardly lion eeek ! plus there was a scene where glinda clicked her red heels together I FREAKED OUT plus they COLOURED THE YELLOW BRICK ROAD YELLOW WHATSYSGSHEH i just UGEHEG

now to the disturbing parts.... the animal cruelty in this movie did make my stomach turn a bit like im glad they touched on the fact that animals r treated so so so badly but damn that kinda made me sick

THE SINGING IN THIS MOVIE WAS SO FUCKING ON TOP I DONT WANNA HEAR IT. CYNTHIA AND ARIANA ATE TO THE SKIES BRO THEY LEFT NOT A SINGLE CRUMB IN SIGHT IF THEY DONT GET LIKE 5 GRAMMIES FROM THIS ILL KMS THE DEFYING GRAVITY PART. THE ICONIC AAUWYUAHAUAAAUAUHHHHHHH BRO. CYNTHIA LITERALLY DEVOURED I CANT EXPLAIN.

AND ALSO WHOEVER DID COSTUME DESIGNING BETTER GET 5 OSCARS THE ENTIRE MOVIE I WAS LIKE woauhhhh BC THE FITS R SO GORGEOUS? GLINDA HAD LIKE 500 OF THEM THE ENTIRE MOVIE THEYRE ALL SO GORG STOP.

anyway i think thats it for my yap....main points here is just that those two r fucking lesbians and ill die on this hill idc if its alone or with a community bc THEYRE GAY FOR EACHOTHER. until elphaba started singing abt fiyero bro get outta here.....