#give us more reedwhisker

[bonefall]

Big question cause I’m so mad about how they were used: any ideas on changing Berryheart and Curlfeather from this book?

I have ONE controversial opinion and you must allow me this;

Curlfeather not apologizing to Frostdawn kinda rocks as an idea.

Obviously it reads as insulting because of how they gave Berryheart a Tom the Wifebeater ass Redemption Death in this book, and the general way that they've not approached her with the nuance she deserves is frustrating. I agree.

But hold my hand and walk with me. Imagine Curlfeather, mauled and bloody before the daughter she died saving. Frostpaw's gone through so much fixing the damage she caused, furious at the state her mother's in, the mess she made of RiverClan, all the suffering everyone's gone through... and Curlfeather says,

"I don't regret anything."

"Really? REALLY? I go through all of that, I come ALL this way, and you won't even give me a rotten little sorry?"

She doesn't give her mother a chance to respond, lashing her tail towards the grimmace that hangs off the side of her shredded cheek, "You're not sorry for how you lead to yourself looking like THAT?"

Frostpaw shoves her scarred throat foward, "You're not sorry for THIS?"

She claws dig into the sodden black earth of the Dark Forest, "You're not sorry you're HERE?"

Curlfeather is quiet, her remaining eye stoic like a stone. Frostpaw begs furiously, "NOTHING?"

"I will vow on our blood that I will not lie to you anymore," the demon's tone is soft and honest, "and I hope that means more than the insincere apology I could offer you otherwise."

Just when it feels like Frostpaw has so much anger that her body can't handle it, pain stuffs itself inside her in equal measure. Her stomach is sick with love, throat choked with affection. It takes her a minute to form the word,

"Why?"

"When my father, Reedwhisker, was taken by the Kin, I saw how they broke him. His uncle, Stonefur, did not buckle under Tigerstar. My grandmother Mistyfoot quietly rescued the Clan from his accomplice, Leopardstar, while Mistystar willingly worked alongside a vicious impostor."

Now that Frostpaw is the one who's waiting quietly, Curlfeather's voice flutters hopefully, "I was willing to do anything to restore my Clan to greatness," the specter pads foward, touching her nose to her daughter's trembling forehead, "except sacrifice you."

She didn't expect to feel the harsh sting of her daughter's paw smacking her across the nose. She reels back.

"You don't get it! It's not about YOU! It's about everyone you hurt! Dont try to pretend it was all worth it, you didn't make anything great, you just broke it!"

"I had to break it so it could be set back stronger. I gave you the chance for the power, and now you are making it better than it was."

"That was in spite of you! You told me to trust no cat and I had to unlearn that!"

"I saved you when I could have escaped with my life."

"From a situation you caused in the first place!"

"It was a warrior's death!"

There is a silence that settles over them. Curlfeather is snarling in offense. Frostpaw looks, again, at her mother's fatal wounds, the defensive stance. She's reminded of how the cats of other cultures don't always see scars as rewards for a fight survived-- just reminders of pain you've gone through.

"...it was a warrior's death," she agrees, gently, watching tattered hackles smoothen out, "...and now you're dead, while I'm still alive."

The emotion in Curlfeather's face is solemn, but otherwise incomprehensible to her daughter. The expression on Frostpaw's is equally unreadable to her mother. This is the only thing they will ever understand about each other-- that there is an irreconcilable difference between them, steeper than the divide between sky and earth.

The last words the demon speaks to her daughter are, "I love you."

It's only years later that Frostdawn can say, "I love you too."

[kangoneko]

In Defense of Froststar

Today I'm going to share a few of the reasons why I think Froststar will be leader. I firmly believe the books have been building up to this and that any other choice will feel random and unsatisfying as a conclusion to the arc.

However, I believe the fact that there has been so much debate is intentional on the authors' part. They are deliberately being coy about it so as to not give the surprise away. I think this is part of why Froststar is being dismissed, because you'd think they would treat her a bit differently if she was the choice to become leader. But I believe such arguments are not substantial enough to firmly deconfirm her as future leader.

In the first book, River, Frostpaw outright balks at being leader. She doesn't want to be and the responsibility it entails scares her. This represents how she was never destined for a greater role in the Clan: she just had the greatness thrust upon her, like Spider-man. This is called out directly in the Thunder prologue:

But Frostpaw is destined for great things now. Fate has been rewritten, however much heartbreak it cost, and the fate of RiverClan now rests in her paws.

This doesn't directly imply anything about her becoming leader, of course, but it does tell us that the Frostpaw we started out with has changed! And I disagree with the notion that this implies she has to be a medicine cat. Medicine cats are messengers, yes, but I think the fact Riverstar uses such a vague term like "messenger" in the first place is curious. I also don't see why she can't temporarily be RiverClan's messenger and later become something more. Sure, RiverClan needs Frostpaw to be their messenger now, but he's not implying Frostpaw has to be that messenger forever.

I also think it's generous to imply the StarClan cats know who the leader should be yet. It's very well possible they don't, and that they just know the cat who will choose the leader and some qualities such a leader should have. StarClan works in mysterious ways after all and time and time again they've been shown to know about as much as the Clan cats.

But the biggest issue for a lot of people is that RiverClan would be left without a medicine cat that has a connection to StarClan, and I sympathize with this a lot. My issue however is that, if Frostpaw magically gained powers, then why can't they find another cat? I know it's a lazy answer but I don't see why this issue can't be worked around. I also don't see why we can't explore other options like Frostpaw still maintaining a medicine cat's role as leader. It's unconventional of course but Froststar in itself is unconventional.

There's also the fact that RiverClan didn't have a cat like Willowshine for a while. It's far from ideal circumstances but the Clan still managed without a medicine cat with a connection to StarClan for a period of time.

But these aren't the only reasons I think Frostpaw will become leader. I think there have been great hints throughout the last two books, Thunder and Wind.

For one, Frostpaw goes to the Park Cats and learns the ideal qualities to look for in a leader--as well as who shouldn't be leader, the cat she learns killed Reedwhisker. Frostpaw's ideal qualities in a leader are awfully specific too, almost like they're things only Frostpaw could really enforce. Unless a cat happens to start showing these qualities in Star, Frostpaw is realistically the only one who can change the Clan the way she wants to change it. Like it or not, Frostpaw will be taking on a leadership role if she wants any of this to actually happen.

This is practically Frostpaw's political manifesto. Unbeknownst to her, however, she is literally describing the perfect leader for RiverClan to be herself.

I also think the fact that Frostpaw is the first cat in RiverClan to openly reject Splashtail is key to her both gaining support and also coming into her role as leader. Frostpaw...isn't the best choice for leader yet, simply put. But she is getting there. She is rallying support for her cause to defeat Splashtail, an important quality in a leader. She fully intends on taking him down and restoring RiverClan to its former glory--no, even better. She has a crystal clear vision for what she wants RiverClan's future to be and I don't think any other cat in the Clan so much as comes close to the leadership qualities Frostpaw is displaying now. Once she defeats Splashtail I envision that she will finally complete her arc and become the leader RiverClan needs.

I also want to point out this random dream from Bee, which I think is great Froststar foreshadowing:

Here is my interpretation: the frozen river symbolizes a RiverClan lead by Froststar. I believe the ice being thick is meant to show the strength of RiverClan under Froststar's leadership. The river being frozen so thoroughly also represents a safe bridge to outsiders. The sting of the ice represents how RiverClan still maintains the ferocity appropriate of a Warrior clan, and that it will defend its borders when needed. However, they do not react with hostility to all outsiders. They are curious, perhaps even interested in the knowledge the outsider may impart on them, like how Frostpaw learned a new way of life from the Park Cats.

This is all just speculation of course but I think this line is intentional foreshadowing on the writer's parts and I don't think it's safe to completely dismiss it yet.

We also cannot ignore scenes like Riverstar literally choosing Frostpaw over Splashtail at the Moonpool.

Obviously this scene is meant to show Frostpaw has StarClan on her side, but this scene also shows clear symbolism foreshadowing a Froststar leadership, if you choose to read it as such. While you can just as easily interpret it as Frostpaw being the true medicine cat instead of Podlight, you can't help wondering if that could imply she's meant to be leader instead of Splashtail, too.

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To conclude, I do think there's still a chance Froststar might not be leader, but I can't say any evidence to the contrary has been sufficient enough to change my mind or have me leaning towards any other potential options. I do think it's possible Frostpaw can inspire the change she wants in RiverClan as a medicine cat, but given the lack of other suitable options for leader it's difficult to imagine. Again, I wouldn't be shocked if one of the other characters starts displaying leadership qualities in the final book, Star, but I simply don't think it would hold the same narrative satisfaction of Frostpaw becoming leader.

Also, just...come on. She's literally front and center on the cover of Star. The foreshadowing for Froststar is off the charts right now. Don't sleep on my girl just yet!

[everybody-loves-purdy]

Imo Frostpaw being on the book cover for Star is wierd. There was basically no reason for her to be on the front of an other book cover when she was alredy featured on the front of Shadow. It would make way more sense for the authors to put Mothwing, Icewing or Duskfur there since they seem like the most likely candidates and knowing how bad this arc has been at trying to avoid spoilers I doubt it was a choice done not to spoils us who the next leader of Riverclan is gonna be. Vicky saying that writing Star has made Frostpaw her new favorite character is also suspicious, and by the preview it seems like a big focus of this book is gonna be on Frostpaw herself. Maybe we are reading too much into this and getting our hopes to high, but at the same time it cannot be denied that the Warrior Cats marketing team is putting a lot of focus on Frostpaw character, more than we have ever seen them do with any other protagonist.

Yeah they are really building up Frostpaw and they have done for a long time. Obviously there was hype for her pre release since she’s our first RiverClan protagonist, but the Erins have just kept that momentum going, giving her by far the most attention out of the three POVs, honestly more attention than I think they’ve ever given to one of their pov characters during an arc’s run. Her story is leading to something big. They want us to pay attention to her, they want us to like her, more so than the other POVs.

Because it’s not even like Shadow and Star are the only covers Frostpaw features on, she is also on the cover of River and Wind. She is on the cover of 4/6 ASC books. Nightheart is on 2/6 covers, Sunbeam is on 3/6, and they each only get to be front and centre once while Frostpaw gets this privilege twice.

About the cover, they could have easily had Frostpaw, Mothwing, Icewing (maybe depending on how present she is) and Duskfur on the cover. Or even Frostpaw, Sunbeam, and Nightheart, which would make a lot of sense. But they didn’t They opted to show Frostpaw front and centre, with Mistystar and Reedwhisker, the last two cats who truly had claim to lead RiverClan, watching over her. Are they waiting for her to make a choice on their successor or are they waiting for her to be next in line?

Like you say we could be getting our hopes up for Froststar but regardless all the evidence points to something huge happening to Frostpaw at the end of all this. And the easiest answer to what this huge thing could be is her becoming leader, because what could be bigger than that?

[sparrowlovesskittles]

Guys you don't understand when I say I like Splashtail I don't mean Splashtail is my pathetic little meow meow covered in blood poor baby forced to lead in a crisis... That's Frostpaw. Frostpaw is the pathetic little meow meow covered in blood poor baby forced to lead in a crisis.

Splashtail is the guy causing the crisis. He's cunning and manipulative and Frostpaw is too naive to see it. Frostpaw was explicitly told to trust no cat and the only cat she has decided to trust is the one leading her astray. And I love this and I think it's so fun to read.

I know I've said this a million times by now, but Splashtail is literally awful. If the theories are to be believed, which I believe they are, then he joined a coup to overthrow RiverClan from the inside, murdered Reedwhisker, planted a false sign for Curlfeather to become the next leader, intentionally planted dogs to kill her, presumably to make it easier to manipulate Frostpaw- and then he did manipulate Frostpaw, who had just lost her mother, by being sweet to her and convincing her to trust him. He is not a good person and I fully believe the narrative intends to treat him as such.

And by the way, when Frostpaw starts getting frustrated with him and refuses to play along with his tricks, his patience begins to snap. His mask begins to slip. He starts being harsher and colder and we begin to see that he finds her company to be an annoyance. This has been consistent right from the very beginning, when she lead the patrol to find Reedwhisker's body.

We don't know why he attacked her at the end of Shadow yet, but I believe that he used it as a way to scare her out of becoming a warrior. He's at his wits end, he doesn't want to be running around playing this game with her anymore. She's not listening and he has run out of patience.

So yeah, Splashtail really doesn't give a shit about Frostpaw. He is using her for his own personal gain, and when it doesn't benefit him, he gets frustrated. I could not disagree more strongly with the notion that the writers are leading up to Frostsplash being the cute happy endgame. With everything that's been set up, that just seems impossible to me. That would be incredibly bad writing, and I genuinely think that Splashtail is the product of good writing so far.

Splashtail is evil. He's an awful awful guy and I hope Frostpaw and/or Mothwing kill him in the end.

[brockitty-goober]

do u guys want me to finish this comic? I got it all written out but I kinda lost motivation after this part

sorry for saying “greystripe” but I’m Canadian and it’s pronounced ZED >:(

also sorry for saying “how much budget” I know not enough about money 😭

I don’t really wanna type alt text in image desc. cus.

way too long.

so I’ll write it under the cut!!

an aqua/turquoise(?) banner at the top of the picture reads “StarClan and Frostpaw in a nutshell”. Panel one: Riverstar holding his paw out, paw pads facing the sky, pointing at the Moonpool in StarClan. He has an annoyed expression on his face. Windstar sits behind him, a little confused. Riverstar is saying “MOUSE DUNG! Reedwhisker just died too!” and a cartoonish, dead Reedwhisker can be seen in the pool.

Panel two: Riverstar is holding his paws out in frustration and exasperation. He is saying “All we have is an undertrained medicine apprentice!” and a silly-looking Frostpaw can be seen in the pool. Behind him Windstar looks even more confused, stating “Or you could just.. yknow.. send a vision? To a different cat? Because it doesn’t have to be.. a medicine cat..”

Panel three: The back of Riverstar’s head can be seen and Windstar nor the Moonpool is in the shot. He is looking over to Greystripe who is loafing beside some trees. Riverstar is saying “Hey Greystripe, how much budget do we have for visions right now?”

Panel four: Riverstar and Greystripe stand beside each other. Greystripe now has little reading glasses and is writing on a clipboard. Here is their exchange, with Greystripe speaking first:

“Medicine cat or no?”

“Medicine apprentice.”

“RiverClan, correct?”

“Yep.”

Panel five: Greystripe is hidden behind his big clipboard which he is displaying to Riverstar. It only has unintelligible scribbles all over it to represent writing. Riverstar says “THREE MILLION DOLLARS?! We could just BUY a leader with this!”

Panel six: Ditto, but this time the clipboard is on a different page and can be read. It reads, each in different slots, with the expenses beside them: “we go to waffle house (w/ out fire star), -$125”

“another wig for ashfur, -$300”

“dawn of the clans cats want more money for their retirement (why won’t they just fade already), -$25,000”

“Warrior code rule change, -$60”

“Silverstream sues me, -$30,000”

“Millie sues me, -$50,000”

“Mistystar and Reedwhisker, -$90.75”

“Ashfur sues us for not giving him a Dark Forest visa, -$9000”

“TOTAL: $2”

Panel seven: Riverstar looks mortified, saying “‘$2.00’?”

Panel eight: Greystripe is nudging Ravenpaw, who seems to be interrupted from a cat bath. Greystripe has a big smile on his face while Ravenpaw looks really irritated. Greystripe says “I betcha we could get Ravenpaw to lend us a buck.” SFX: *wink wink nudge nudge*

[7coweyes]

I just started reading the 2nd A Starless Clan book and so far I really like it, So far these are my thoughts

I feel like they should have gone all the way with Nightheart being named after Firestar. Cats are named after other cats all the time so they really should have just named him directly after him. They could have still given him suffix heart because I can see Bramblestar in his state of mind thinking that is a good idea. The suffix Claw would be funny only for the comparison to Tigerheartstar.

I think Nightheart should have rejected heart as his suffixs too because it still compares him to Firestar

I love everything happening with riverclan rn

Curlfeather definitely had a hand in at least Reedwhisker's death and most likely Mistystar's too

I like Frostpaw interactives with her family, I hope we get to see more of her siblings and her

Sunbeam's drama with Lightleap and Blazefire is interesting but I wish we got to see a bit more with both of them before the drama. I would love to see Sunbeam and Lightleap try to work things out.

I hope Lightleap and Blazefire don't get together but they probably will.

I like both Frostpaw and Nightheart, more then Sunbeam but her chapter are still interesting.

I like all the things happening around Frostpaw and how she interacts with them.

Nightheart fits into a few of my favorite characters types, very easily to headcanon as trans, angry but in a very angst teen that is acting out way, feels emo.

Sunbeam so far is just giving us the mandatory relationship drama that every arc has but at least it feels a little new

[the-owl-tree]

What I want to happen: Sunbeam sees Frostpaw for the traumatized child she is and what a stressful conflict she's in the middle of and decides to help her through it, acting as a big sister/mentor and getting rid of any weird envy she'dhave of a child stealing Nightheart. I would also like her to stop being mean to Lightleap so the two can help this poor kid and maybe tie it into the political drama too. Like maybe Lightleap saw what happened to Reedwhisker with some shocking reveal that gives us an excuse to include Finchlight in everything. Meanwhile Nightheart gets stuck in a bush for his remaining chapters until he appreciates Sparkpelt for knce and is then forgotten about entirely

i genuinely hope we get more lightleap scenes and the plot point of her seeing what happened to reedwhisker gets dropped. it's so sad we didn't get more scenes of lightleap going "hey sunny watch this :D" and back flipping off a bridge so sunbeam can start hyperventilating.

i would love it if these four got to meet up. this ask makes me love the possibility of a rewrite/au with finchlight and lightleap as the povs instead, they had a lot of potential to me and it's kind of a shame they've just sort of been reduced to a supporting/barely mentioned cast to assist the povs. i do like lightleap and sunbeam being big sisters for frostpaw, i think that would be cute.

[spottyissleepwalking]

WIMLO!!!

Willowshine Wednesday

Design notes:

Very much a RiverClan cat, through and through. I headcanon her sire being Reedwhisker, so she’s got the tiniest amount of ThunderClan in her, but it’s difficult to pick out. Most of her traits are common amongst RiverClanners: large stature, long thick fur, small ears, striking patterns.

Lots of heart imagery!! While she’s not a very lovey dovey character, I do imagine that she holds a lot of love for Mothwing and her Clan as a whole; she had to, of course, otherwise I’m more than certain she would have buckled under the weight of being RiverClan’s sole spiritual guide long ago.

Not so much fluffy as she is just very long-haired. Her size definitely gives the illusion that she has a lot of fur, but nah, in reality it’s just muscle.

Ears are small and somewhat rounded, but also tufted!

Chest/throat sports two distinctive dark stripes across it.

LGBT+ headcanon: Trans mtf, chaotic bisexual, uses she/her! I think it would be really funny if she’s had a crush independently on each of the Three at some point - or if they all had a crush on her hsjfjfn

[Image ID: A digital drawing of Willowshine standing upright and facing right, head facing more left, her tail sweeping beneath her; the entire image is outlined in white. She is a large, long-furred, somewhat stocky, dark gray marbled tabby cat with pale paws, belly, chest, tail-tip and muzzle; she has prominent, pale, heart-shaped patches on her shoulders and face; her markings are very dark, almost black. Her ears are short, small, and prominently rounded, with pale tufts; her tail is very long and shaggy-furred, the fur mostly angled dangling downwards like the fronds of a willow tree. Her eyes are round and dark green, with very pale lashes. Beneath her paws is her color palette, and beside her head is the word “WILLOWSHINE” written in white, all-caps. Across her hindquarters is the stylized artist signature of “spottyissleepwalking” written in faded lavender. / End ID.]

[warriorcatsamino]

⚠️SPOILERS FOR THE NEWEST BOOK RIVER⚠️ How sweet, here we have a beautiful drawing of Mistystar and her family. This was drawn by @noxvoca, very nice! More specifically, this scene depicts Mistystar being welcomed into Starclan. Honestly I was shocked when Mistystar died in River! I did not expect the writing team to kill her off as it was a running joke in the fandom that Mistystar is ancient and will never die. At first I thought she was going to survive but be constantly described as super old as that was what the novel appeared to be doing at first but then we were hit with a shocker! It’s become a meme how Mistystar died, basically that she couldn’t accept criticism and so she had a heart attack and died. It’s actually not particularly mentioned what killed Mistystar, but many fans suspect heart attack as she was old. I really like where the plot in River is going, with Riverclan being left leaderless and confused. The scene depicted here doesn’t actually happen in the books but I’d like to think it did. It’s a very sweet reunion between Mistystar, her parents and her littermates. I’d also like to think her mate Blackclaw and her children were apart of this group. And probably, with the events of River, Reedwhisker is also apart of this group. With being so old Mistystar watched many of her loved ones die before her. She lost her father Oakheart early on in the battle over Sunningrocks in Into the Wild. Her mother Bluestar was killed in a Dangerous Path, having sacrificed herself for her clan. Her brother Stonefur was killed by Blackfoot on Tigerstar’s command in the Darkest Hour and her sister Mosskit died early on in Bluestar’s Prophecy from the cold. It’s unknown how her mate died but it is noted in Forest of Secrets that her kits were swept away in the flooding river, we don’t know exactly how many kits she lost then but at least one of them died. Two of her kits survived to apprenticeship and later perished. Her foster mother Graypool was killed by Tigerstar early on aswell in Fire and Ice I do believe. Her leader Leopardstar died in Omen of the Stars and Mistystar almost lost her son Reedwhisker to Darktail in Vision of Shadows. Overall Mistystar lost alot of those close to her but now she can rest peacefully in Starclan with her family and lost clanmates and friends. What do you think of Mistystar? Was she a good leader? Or Did the years turn her sour? While you are doing that, if you enjoyed this piece be sure to give the original post a like. Supporting the original post let’s the artist know that you like their art and motivates them to create more content. This in turn gives us more content to post for you guys. Do you want to be apart of a fun and active community? Consider joining the Warriors Amino where we have daily art, writing, polls, quizzes and more all about Warrior Cats!

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[harriertail]

RIVER THOUGHTS + HOPES

Straight off the bat this book felt superrrr short omg. 

They all lowkey feel like the early TBC protags... love sick Sunbeam/Bristlefrost, ‘i don’t fit in wah i have parental issues im not good at being a warrior’ Nightheart/Rootpaw (and Alderpaw), and eager but defo being tricked by StarClan Shadowpaw/Frostpaw : /

I don’t get Flamepaw, i do like his ‘why is everyone so obsessed with the Ashfur thing/the past’ but it does really feel like he’s putting the legacy thing on himself. A few ‘you come from good cats you should have more confidence in urself’ lines does not equal ‘you have to live up to all this’, maybe a few ‘how are you so fucking useless you’re descended from such good warriors you waste of space’ lines would make this more obvious/make us more sympathetic. Idk bully the protag 2k22 because it just feels like Alderpaw’s arc again : / It genuinely feels like the Erins are doing the ‘struggle with legacy’ arc they wanted to do with Alderheart, so I hope we get some Alder-Night bonding and Alder talking to him about worrying over living up to expectations 

LOVED how we barely saw StarClan. just omens and a few brief convos. Felt like ‘old’ SC, in the background, vaguely guiding the Clans- also was the dock leaf sign fake? felt like they were hinting it wasn’t real.

Who was the green eyes? does it mean anything or is it just an normal SC interaction? Who killed Reedwhisker?? come on those claw mark remarks were def something. What the fuck was Lightleap doing? don’t give us more rogues pls. 

Sunbeam/Blazefire is just. ouch. Def loving the more grounded tone focused on personal/real world issues and less SC bullshit. I kinda foresee him dying but I also like the idea of him thinking he ‘made a mistake’ and there just being loads of drama between Light/Blaze/Sun (fuck their names are kinda similar) espec if Sunbeam becomes like, deputy material and starts being a really good warrior while Lightleap goes thru her issues + fucking around. We havent had a leader or deputy POV for arcs (bristle doesn’t count) and Sunbeam could be a good choice!

Honestly I get the feeling they are trying to set up Berryheart and her supporters as antagonists but I lowkey agree with them so far- the stuff about it benefitting Tigerstar/Dovewing a lot and the ‘where do we draw the line’- why have separate Clans at all they might as well become one (id like to see them all become one if they are just gonna be so flexible with borders tbh)- would def like to see more debate on the changing of the rules and the specifics of allowing half-Clan relationships to change and not just standard ‘we want to make ShadowClan strong’ bad guy rhetoric from them. come on Erins. Maybe Cloverfoot would side with the ‘traditionalists’ and the whole ‘no deputy can overthrow a leader’ rule would be debated more. These new rules were made very quickly...

Fringewhisker and Sunbeam should become friends. Even if I’ve just said that Sunbeam should disagree with the new rule I’d love to see Gullswoop + Fringewhisker try to be her friends- maybe have a ‘this is how Lightleap behaved when I tried to be her friend’ moment to snap her out her sulking.

I love Finchlight. She spits 100% facts. 

Curlfeather dying straight after the omen/she goes to get her nine lives is a fucking SIGN- the next leader is gonna get got. RiverClan civil war? I can barely name any RC cats but a competition over who should be leader would be good. Duskfur? Minnowtail? Is anyone gonna not want to be leader because they think it means dying? 

Either RiverClan or ThunderClan is gonna have the ‘75% vote to kick out a leader’ stuff. the ‘something is off with Bramblestar’ is heavyyy. 

Please don’t give us Sunbeam/Nightheart. Please. They are already going on about how much he doesn’t fit into TC and now added a few jokes about him going to find love in another Clan. If they do give us Protag/Other Clan cat relationship, i’d love to see an arc where its all lovey dovey 100% best relationship ever but slowly the honeymoon phase ends and it fizzles out- they made a mistake. they misses their family their territory their friends back home. nothing goes wrong per say its just not the right choice to make. like does Finleap or Fringewhisker regret moving? I rlly don’t like the trope of pinning everything on your ‘one true love’, but i would like to see someone realising this was not the right choice. (Maybe Nightsun could work like this idk)

The focus on names and their deep meanings (all of a sudden) made me wish that part of the changing Clans was giving up your old warrior name and getting a new one- maybe just a new suffix or smth. Like Fringewhisker would have to change her name after proving herself to the Clan.

Making some really early predictions. Nightheart changes Clan/goes stays in another Clan (SkyClan?) for a bit because he doesn’t fit in. Frostpaw might be forced into being med cat early after Mothwing dies (like Puddleshine). Sunbeam goes along with the stuff in ShadowClan and doesn’t have much agency 

[sp1resong]

notes re: the background riverclan cats (in the rewrite)

largely for my own reference

(i will be ignoring most family tree things from before tbc. because there are many things wrong with the family tree. there r way more half-rogue kits in this universe because that is the only possible way to fix whatever this is)

(i'm also cutting out like half of these guys because there r way too many of them)

havenpelt and sneezecloud are girlboss and malewife

minnowtail is actually somewhat smart!! she's also super stressed and overworked (everyone expected her to be named deputy after reedwhisker; she pretty much preforms all the leader/deputy duties that mothwing and frostpaw can't)

curlfeather is a pretty good mom and seems like a great cat in general, but something's just a little bit off...

fognose (or fogfeather bc i hate the -nose suffix) and splashtail r super close; they seem to believe they can only trust each other. siblings > whatever the fuck kind of soap opera/tragedy is going on. overall they seem to be coping... fairly well, which is to say they're not curled up in the corner screaming.

podlight cares abt his sister!! and his family!!! unfortunately, recent events have made him rather tense and quick to suspicion. at gatherings and any such political discussion, he is loudly in favor of giving leaders less power and individual cats more (curlfeather and several others have similar ideologies, but he's by far the loudest)

lizardtail is... well. before the whole... everything, he was responsible and clever, but now he's just kind of. vaguely paranoid and snappy.

both of gorseclaw's siblings r dead and at this point he's just waiting for himself to be next. he doesn't want to die, but like--everyone else is dying and he recognizes himself for the death fodder that he seems to be. he's coping with this remarkably well, if you consider just accepting your fate as cannon fodder 'coping well'.

shimmerpelt is, despite what her name may evoke, actually fairly aggressive and a skilled fighter. she is sarcastic and rather blunt. recent events have left her snappy and constantly on edge.

mistpaw and greypaw are close friends with frostpaw. they r coping very badly with the whole 'parents-dying-suddenly-and-oh-stars-everything's-gone-to-shit' thing but. they're alive, at the very least. they're the only ones that frostpaw told about curlfeather's last words. mistpaw is more aggressive and snappier, while greypaw is more withdrawn and nervous.

might add a few more later. i don't feel like trying to navigate the wiki any longer

(edit: cut out some guys i had in a relationship because i realized they were closely related. maybe i should've used the website family tree instead of the impossible-to-navigate wiki)

[bonefall]

Warrior Bites: Clan Tools

[Image ID: Reedwhisker, a black RiverClan warrior cat, sits behind two terracotta pots, some strips of willowbark, a traditional wooden pot called a firkin, and a rock. He has a stick in his mouth.]

Warriors of the Clans are shown in-canon to be able to weave, dig tunnels, decorate with shells, and do whatever it is that BloodClan’s got going on with those collars and manicures. Have you considered what other tools a semi-realistic warrior could handle?

A guide to the various tools and methods that the Clans can use to prepare complex dishes, including the equipment needed for smoking, baking, pickling, and so on. Part of the Warrior Bites series for Bonefall’s Clan Culture.

(The art in this guide was once again provided by my partner who hasn’t read a single page of warrior cats in their life but so help me god I’ll drag them down with me)

Tools + Equipment

Fire Starting

Containers: Twine + Baskets + Buckets

Cookware: Smokers, Ovens, “Grillstones“

1. Fire Starting

Flint can be used to start a fire, especially for Clans that lack lumber. Because flint is most easily found around the Mothermouth, it’s associated with StarClan’s glow and considered somewhat divine.

But for those situations without a flint starter, the Clans generally teach their apprentices the paw-drill method using a spindle. But these days, SkyClan uses stolen Glass to start fires quicker and easier than any other Clan…

Except on cloudy days, where some unfortunate apprentice still gets saddled with spindle duty.

[Image ID: Reedclaw, a brown tabby Warrior Cat from SkyClan, sits on his haunches and spins a long stick called a ‘spindle’ with his front paws. Smoke is rising from the board the spindle is spinning against.]

2. Containers: Twine + Baskets + Buckets

RiverClan has the easiest access to twine; Willowbark can be peeled right off the tree and used without any processing for simple string to tie things with. WindClan uses woven grass as twine. ShadowClan, SkyClan, and ThunderClan are able to make cordage from Blackberry brambles.

Once the cat has twine, it can be woven into a simple basket to gather things, like berries, clams, or insects. In order to carry liquids, forested Clans can create firkins-- a small wooden bucket that requires some carpentry ability, namely creating wooden nails.

But these tremble before the value of pottery, which is needed to store liquids, ferment and pickle food, and create stew.

Pottery is made from clay, which has to be baked in order to go from wet mud to terracotta. RiverClan is responsible for making the majority of new pottery because of the river, and ShadowClan’s marsh gives them lots of access to low-quality clay.

WindClan was once unmatched in the quality of their pottery thanks to tunneling leading them to the finest clay deposits known to the Clans. Though SkyClan is now rivaling the finest ancient WindClan pottery, due to their willingness to steal buckets from twolegs.

(Leafstar says, “if you cant make a firkin, store-bought is fine”)

[Image ID: Leafstar, the brown tabby-and-cream Warrior cat leader of SkyClan, sits behind a counter in front of an audience presenting a man-made firkin, parodying shopping channels. A speech bubble says, “Meow meow meow meow meow, storebought is meow.”]

3. Cookware: Smokers, Ovens, “Grillstones“

A smoker is very easy to construct, all that’s needed is some straight branches, twine, and fire.

First, a round pit is dug into the ground and filled with soaked woodchips. It is important they’re damp, because wet wood gives off more smoke than dry. Then, three beams are set and tied at the top, like a triangle. From there, a shelf is made inside of the beams. Multiple shelves can be made if a lot of food is being smoked at once.

ThunderClan wraps the smoker in a leather pelt, to keep the smoke in. Their prowess with smoking and seasoning a wide range of meats gives them the title of BBQ champions.

[Image ID: A primitive smoker setup, made of three sticks leaned against each other in a triangular shape and tied at the top. Two shelves are tied into the structure, the top row with minnows and the bottom with hanging strips of meat.]

An oven is a large construction. Capable of cooking several meals at once, each clan would have just one to use communally. Because the communal oven is such a big project, each Clan would have one that looks unique to their environment.

ThunderClan’s, for example, is flat and made of stone, simple in design but very sturdy and capable of cooking a lot of meat at once.

[Image ID: A stone oven made of flat, piled rocks. A fire is lit at the bottom and meat is browning on the top shelf. A stick leans against the side.]

For the quickest and easiest way to make a hot meal, meat is roasted on a spit or loose stick over an open fire. The best sear comes from a large, flat slab of rock propped up over a flame, known to the clans as a grillstone.

[Image ID: Firestar, ginger tabby warrior cat leader of ThunderClan, watches bacon sizzle on a large, flat rock placed over a fire. His daughter, Squirrelkit, sits beside him. A thought bubble above her head contains a waffle, and a question mark.]

(Clan blood be damned that kittypet can work a grill)

[blorboclaw]

could you do an au where willowbreeze and graypool stayed in windclan?

ok so buckle up.

Hailstar doesn't go to Windclan to take them back and thus doesn't almost drown Reedfeather. Willowkit and Graykit are not taken back.

This leads to a few short-term consequences which I will list before exploring the long therm consequences:

Crookedjaw and WIllowbreeze don't end up together (no Silverstream)

Oakheart gives Mistykit and Stonekit to another queen.

this queen doesn't have the half-clan background so her first thoughts are not "aaaaw they're from Thunderclan but they're kits I'mma protect them". She tells Crookedstar (in private in case she's mistaken) and he talks to his brother, then refuses to take action because he didn't in canon either yet he knew. However, that queen now lets it slip to other persons, and when they see that Crookedstar isn't doing anything, most of the clan loses respect for him. This also mean Leopardstar won't take Stonefur as a deputy but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

No Silverstream means Graystripe dies. Plain and simple. Mousefur gets Brackenfur's apprenticeship but both he and Cinderpelt are now traumatized by water and Cinderpaw doesn't disobey Fireheart and get into the accident. She becomes a warrior.

Since Princess gave Cloudkit up because of Cinderpaw's accident (Fireheart spent more time with her because he had no apprentice and she gave her first born so that Fireheart could have an apprentice again) there's no Cloudtail.

Fireheart met Mistyfoot through Silverstream, and got most of his infos about the Redtail Case from riverclan cats. He doesn't this time. He doesn't save Mistyfoot's kits either, since he only went near the river to check on Silverstream with Graystripe. Which means no Reedwhisker later, and also no "We dont forget that Thunderclan helped us during the flood, you can rest in our camp" during the fire in Rising Storm.

We could argue that no Graystripe -> No FeatherStorm -> no LeopardMistyStone arriving during the battle against the rogues to claim them, and one or the other thunderclan cats could die. But with no further precisions it’s difficult to determine which one would and thus I’m not going to go that way.

So let's take away the possibility of Tigerclaw killing Bluestar, because even without the multiple warnings, Fireheart would have saved her. Fireheart becomes deputy, Bluestar spirals down into paranoia.

ANyway Yellowfang dies without an apprentice in the fire. Littlecloud stays in Shadowclan as Runningnose goes to Thunderclan to mentor one of the apprentices. Let’s say it’s Ashpaw. Yep. You heard me. Ashfur becomes a medicine cat.

The apprentices are becoming restless as there is no warrior ceremony. However, Bluestar doesn’t make Cloudtail a warrior since there’s no Cloudtail, and so Swiftpaw and Brightpaw don’t leave to attack the pack because there’s less restlessness. When Brindleface is killed, no one is looking outside the camp for the hounds, and Fireheart doesn’t discover her. Worst possibility, the hounds arrive and kill every single thunderclan cat, best possibility, someone does find Brindleface and it goes like in canon.

Bluestar sacrifices herself for the clan, Fireheart becomes Firestar. Tigerclan is formed. Mistyfoot and Stonefur are both killed (because Graystripe is dead and Feather/Storm are not born, so there’s no reason Firestar would be near the bonehill).

Leopardstar does regret StoneMisty’s deaths even if she wasn’t that close with them in the AU. Lionclan forms. Whitestorm is killed against Bloodclan. Firestar choses Mousefur as his new deputy, because, again, no Graystripe.

Feathertail not being born, the Tribe receives a prophecy about a cat with green eyes saving them.

We’ve all seen “Hawkfrost is the Chosen One”, this time I’ve decided it would be Mothwing. Why? Because Starclan saw her future and decided that since Mudfur was going to die early, she would need more experience, and what better experience than healing a band of six hot shots with no plants?

Yeah six because Hawkfrost comes too. He follows his sister like Stormfur followed his.

So basically except for Crowpaw and Squirrelpaw the group is mostly Tigerstar’s kin.

When they arrive, the tribe sees Mothwing and is like “ooooh shiny green eyes, must be the prophecy cat”. Then they see Squirrelpaw and think “ooooh even shinier green eyes”. Tawnypelt dies fighting the mountain lion because she had green eyes too. Crowpaw asks to be called Crowpelt. Tallstar accepts.

Leafpaw is Ashfur’s apprentice. Squirrelpaw gets with Brambleclaw, but far, far later. As Leafpool is about to elope with Crowpelt, Ashfur stops her (Cinderpelt had a dream from Starclan telling her about her death and she chose to let Leafpool make her own decisions yadda yadda, while Ashfur certainly wouldn’t). No CrowLeaf. Ashfur dies and Cinderheart is named Ashkit (but is not reincarnated/possessed because come on)

Hawkfrost tries to get Mothwing to do a false sign to get him to be deputy after Heavystep retires (since no Stormfur and no Brook) but she refuses, because traveling so far and having friends to defend her against Hawkfrost gave her a new confidence. She follows Hawkfrost and accidentally kills him when he tries to foxtrap Firestar.

When Mousefur retires, Leafpool has a dream about Bramble Claws protecting the clan and tells everybody about it. Brambleclaw gets Birchfall as his apprentice and becomes deputy (Birchfall was apprenticed to Ashfur in canon but here obviously, with Ashfur medicine cat...). Berrynose becomes Brightheart’s apprentice because I definitely want Brightheart to have an apprentice!

(Whitewing is Brightheart and Swiftfang’s kit here)

CrowLeaf having separated because of Ashfur, not organically, they still see each other a few times but stop when they realize Leafpool is expecting kits. Since Squirrelflight and Brambleclaw are not yet together, she asks her parents to pass the Three as their second litter. FireSand accept.

The three kits are named Lionkit, Sootkit and Jaykit (Sootfur had died during the badgers’ attack). They become apprentices to warrior!Cinderpelt, Brackenfur and Leafpool. They will become Lionblaze, Sootwhisker and Jayfeather.

Brambleclaw and Squirrelflight also give birth to their own litter around Long Shadows, and name them Hawkkit, Tawnykit (after Brambleclaw’s late siblings, he doesn’t know about Hawkfrost’s treason), Featherkit and Stormkit (because why not reuse the names). Stormkit and Hawkkit die of the greencough, but Tawnykit and Featherkit survive (Featherkit being Alderheart so male).

Whitewing and Birchfall also have kits, Dovekit and Ivykit, who are not related to Firestar. There’s no Graystripe and Millie, and no 3B. Birchfall becomes Tawnypaw’s mentor, Whitewing is Featherpaw’s mentor. Tawnypaw has weirdly powerful senses. She finds out about the beavers and a shadowclan patrol is sent. Tigerheart is not in it because he was never born, Tawnypelt having died before becoming mates with Rowanclaw.

No more beavers, there’s water again. Leopardstar is dead, but Mistyfoot, Hawkfrost and Heavystep too, so who’s the new leader/who was the new deputy? Pebblefoot becomes Pebblestar. No reason except he’s had an apprentice and I like the name. His deputy is his sister Minnowtail, who has had an apprentice too... and is a dark forest trainee.

Featherpaw and Tawnypaw ask to be named after their dead siblings and to become Featherstorm and Tawnyhawk. Firestar thinks it’s ugly and refuses. He names them Featherfrost and Tawnywing. They like it.

Featherpaw trains in the Dark Forest out of jealousy for his sister but then becomes a spy for the clans. After the Great Battle, Featherfrost becomes Ivypool’s mate (because honestly making her Fernsong’s mate when the kiddo was born way after the became a warrior is not as creepy as the Thornclaw x Blossomfall situation, and yeah they didn’t engage before being both adults, but like... Idk I still don’t like them as a couple, but I haven’t seen them interact much I’m only in Shattered Sky so maybe I’ll change my mind) and they have four kits who they name Plum, Eagle, etc after the kits Blossomfall, who doesn’t exist, had with Thornclaw.

Everyone dies yadda yadda, Great Storm in which Firestar loses his last life (because didn’t lose one in a foxtrap) and Bramblestar becomes leader.

When Featherfrost starts having weird dreams/visions telling him to go find Skyclan, him being a “married” cat with children prevents everyone else in his life to try and force him to be a medicine cat. He goes on a trip with Sandstorm, Leafpool, Dovewing and Hollyleaf to find them. When Needlepaw join them, Dovewing volunteers to get her back to Shadowclan. Sandstorm dies. Leafpool and Hollyleaf have the judgement necessary to realize Darktail waves more red flags than a chinese parade and scamper off in the night with Featherfrost. They find the kits and call them Thunderkit (for the thunderpath) and Shadowkit (because they were in the shadows).

Both are kept in Thunderclan.

Squirrelflight insists to send more patrols looking for Skyclan. They find them. They bring them to the lake. Darktail didn’t kill (directly or undirectly) half of Shadowclan so there’s no room for them. They go up in the hills to find a new territory, and only have a border with Thunderclan.

TL;DR: If Willowbreeze and Graypool had stayed in Windclan, Ashfur would have become a medicine cat and Tawnypelt would have killed the mountain lion for the Tribe.

[everybody-loves-purdy]

Splashtail sucks so bad as a villain. The way the Erins make their first villains who haven’t been evil outsiders into godless heathens who force their clanmates to fight and cackle when lying about getting starclan’s nine lives removes any excitement I might have had about him and Curlfeather.

I personally love Splashtail sorry! I think he’s great. And Curlfeather too. (Edit: this kind of turned into a little bit me gushing about them so if you don’t want to see that skip to the last paragraph)

I love how Curlfeather tried to manipulate an apprentice into being her follower but instead she ended up making a monster. I think Curlfeather only killed as she saw absolutely necessary for her plan and probably would have stopped with just Reedwhisker and maybe anyone who found out the truth later down the line.

And then Splashtail is young, inexperienced, naive, but also has been radicalised by Curlfeather and become more extreme than she ever was. He’s running mostly on luck and that soon will run out for him I think now he’s acting more arrogant and more extreme in front of his clanmates. I saw a post a week or two ago saying about how Splashtail is trying to emulate being Curlfeather and her plan but lacking her experience, her bonds etc and so now he’s flailing, just doing what he thinks she would do but with little understanding of, well everything that she had going for her.

He’s a really young warrior. I’m pretty sure he and Swiftpaw (at time of death) are about the same age. He’s in way over his head but doesn’t realise it, and is giddy with arrogance and ambition as a result. He cackles in the face of StarClan because he thinks he’s won and he’s on top of the world and he has fooled everyone that matters, he makes his clanmates fight because now he has the means to take revenge on a wrong without fully thinking out the consequences of logistics of such a move.

That’s just my opinion, I love him, but I do also get why you don’t, I can definitely see how this approach doesn’t work for other people, particularly with the motivations of the two making it look like this arc is going to give us the message of “StarClan is perfect”, and with just how young Splashtail is as well as how he acts, I feel that kind of thing either works for you or doesn’t.

[warriorsfireandwater]

okay here are my full uncensored thoughts on river (spoilers)

generally speaking I liked it! i think it has a lot of the problems of recent arcs, particularly the pacing being kind of unclear and the amount of filler that’s just us watching the same 4 cats argue about politics and then have someone else growl while a protag has thoughts but says nothing. I wish that the book was a bit... meatier? or spent more time fleshing out each character if they’re going to keep doing 3 POV per book. im still excited to see where it goes and i think the arc will be interesting

my thoughts on the characters:

Frostpaw is a very sweet kid who I wish had a bit more booktime, but I loved her relationship with Curlfeather and her death was ROUGH. I feel like she’s going to either get caught up in murder-mystery (no fucking way did Reedwhisker die to a badger, lmao) and/or she’s going to be used as a pawn by someone. She is realllly eager to please Mothwing (no way was that spirit Willowshine) and make sense of signs and I feel like she’s going to be pressured to misinterpret signs or use them in favor of a cat who wants power. I wish she’d had more screentime especially because there’s? a LOT? going on in riverclan right now. I really liked the hint at her growing to become more confident when she snapped at Gull-whatever for being rude on patrol and want to see more of that

Sunbeam is a weird character to me because she has very strong characterization and feels Like A Person to me but then like... actively refuses to participate in the plot. As a character I get wanting to mind your own business/stay out of trouble/not speak up but as a protagonist it’s kind of weak to have her actively have plot hooks waved in her face and to have her go “:/ no it’ll make someone mad if i go look at this suspicious event”. Imagine if Fireheart in s1 had been like “nah, I won’t look into Graystripe’s vanishing/Tigerheart’s suspicious behavior/etc”. I REALLY hope it comes back to bite her in the ass as soon as the next book and she becomes more proactive because she’s a good character but somehow the weakest protag. ShadowClan has some suspicious as hell stuff going on and Sunbeam is... watching, I guess. Berryheart being a former Darktail truther turned xenophobe traditionalist is darkly funny to me.

Flamepaw/Nightheart is such a dumb little gremlin. I like him very much and also want to punt him. I cannot believe he had to take his assessment three times for being a little punk every time. Comedy gold. The family dynamics/his intense resentment is kind of a Lot and while I think he takes it to a point of being unreasonable (and borderline unreliable as a POV - not fully but enough��to color our opinions of the other characters) I APPRECIATE that he has some grounded reasons for being angry and I want to see him either come to terms with his situation or go completely unhinged and become a villain or temporary villain. I liked legacy naming when it first started being used but the way it so quickly became The Thing To Do in ThunderClan is kind of annoying and I appreciate that they’re actually addressing it in-text through the lens of someone deeply uncomfortable with the forced legacy he’s gotten through his name. I love that he stood up for himself and denied his name, less loved that they compromised by just giving him a different legacy name, lol. Bramblestar’s wording made it feel like the ‘Night-” part was just as much about Larksong as it was Flamepaw’s actual appearance and keeping -heart was unnecessary. I miss when cats got names that were for them, you know?

predicitions:

- reedwhisker was 1000% murdered. I think Lightleap was involved, OR that she has some kind of connection to whoever did it. I also think Curlfeather’s death wasn’t an accident, but not as certain on that.

- This arc is going to have more overt resistance to social change happening which I think will be interesting - I’m glad they changed the warrior code and also glad they’re having pushback that is radicalizing some assholes. It’s pretty representative of how the world works when significant social reform happens and I’m interested to see how it plays out

- I WISH Nightheart would be an evil angry boy but my realistic prediction is he joins ShadowClan and him and Sunbeam get cat married. boo

- Sunbeam becomes a spy in Berryheart’s right-wing group but like Ivypool is extremely slow to report on it for no good reason

- Frostpaw becomes a psedo-leader for a while and either becomes the pawn of a cat who wants to lead (unclear who this might be) or is pushed to support the wrong cat (who orchestrated Reedwhisker’s death).

- At least one Clan is going to vote out a leader, probably ShadowClan or ThunderClan

[mallowstep]

They give us a Onestar super edition x_x my God, I'd rather have another super edition that retreads over the entire first series again. Or a Reedwhisker super edition, if they won't do Mistystar! I'd even take a Shadepelt super edition...

i got mixed feelings.

i'm upset because between onestar and mistystar, mistystar has a MUCH more interesting story wrt avos (for a super edition). everything is laid out for onestar. the interest in how it happened is kind of...nothing. it'd maybe make for a good novella, but even that is pushing it.

but just because there's low interest doesn't mean it's a bad story: it's a good story, it's just that there are more worthwhile stories to be telling.

on the other hand, i think yearly super editions are a mistake. there just aren't that many interesting stories to tell.

firestar's quest, bluestar's prophecy, and skyclan's destiny are all three stories we had no other way of hearing. fsq and scd are new, and bsp is expanding massively on a very interesting story from forest of secrets.

crookedstar's promise, yellowfang's secret, and tallstar's revenge are all expanding on hypothetical questions about these three figures from tpb. csp adds something that's unnecessary, but that makes a great story edition; yfs adds something that's unnecessary but bad (even if VERY interesting for fic writing purposes); tsr gives us a whole ass new plot to explain something very minor, and the world is better for it.

and then:

bramblestar's storm is a bad book.

moth flight's vision was a great book, we stan an adhd queen.

hawkwing's journey was good, but unnecessary.

tigerheart's shadow is a book i loved but almost no one else did. i mean i can't say i like everything but it's fun read. anyway, overall it had a mixed impact.

crowfeather's trial, from what i've heard, is pretty decent in terms of how it treats characters, but a terrible plot. i refuse to read it, much as i want more of ashfoot.

squirrelflight's hope is the only warriors book i've ever regretted paying money for.

greystripe's vow is for some reason interchangeable in my brain with the greystripe graphic novel. i haven't read either of them, but my brain tells me i have read his super edition, despite it not having been published when i think i've read it, and so i've also read his graphic novel, and wait the point of this wasn't for me to explain my weird quirk about gsv. uh. anyway i think it's kind of neutral: it added good things while having minimal implications for warriors, other than grey being a dick to squirrel for no reason, but that was already in tbc.

leopardstar's honour, based on my first impressions, will be more in line w csp/yfs/tsr, in that it's...expanding on stories we can piece together by ourselves, but hopefully in a new and exciting way.

again i haven't read it yet please don't put spoilers in my inbox. i'm aware i say this every time i talk about this book however every time i haven't, people have. so. don't do that.

what i'm trying to say is most of the recent super editions haven't had a story to tell. oh, they've found a story, but it's not one we would have otherwise cared about. and that's the problem like.

reedwhisker's fantastic, he doesn't have a story. etc.