#game of thrones theory

[targwh0re]

Serra of Lys

[Possibly a Blackfyre and/or Possibly the mother to (F)Aegon]

The Second Wife to Illyrio Mopatis, but later died in Pentos due to a Plague. He has carried a locket around with a painting of her inside and her stone hands ever since. She was described as having big blue eyes, and pale golden hair which was streaked with silver

Some theorize (myself included) that although it is stated that the male Blackfyre line died out, it doesn’t specify if the female line had so there is a possibility that (F)Aegon could be her son with Illyrio. Added to that theory sometimes is that Varys could’ve possibly been her brother.

[Magister Illyrio [Prince (F)Aegon [Lord Varys

Mopatis] Mopatis/Targaryen/ Blackfyre?]

Blackfyre]

Idk about that one but it would explain why both of those men are working together and towards the same goal since (F)Aegon was apparently a baby, and it would also explain the golden company backing up his claim as they have been known to support the Blackfyre’s every time as opposed to The Targaryens. I also don’t think George threw those lines out for nothing…he’s cooking and I hope we eventually get to find out what

[skywalkersolos-blog]

Did Olenna Tyrell poison Joffery (in the show, yes) but in the book?

I highly doubt it because when we get pointed in Olenna's direction within the books is when Baelish is talking with Sansa. And Sansa is the one that concludes it was the Tyrell because she was the only person that did touch the hairnet that she is aware of. Plus, Sansa thinks it was from the wine and points that out to Baelish as well.

But Baelish has no reason to kill the king, but he does have a reason to kill Tyrion because he wants to marry or be with Sansa. Plus, in the book if the poison was in the wine it didn't act the way that it should've but when Joffrey ate the pie the effects of the strangler poison did react in the way that it should've.

Keep in mind the bells are sounding that the king is dead and Baelish could've heard them which made him say that the king was dead to Sansa. So, even if his plan against Tyrion failed he could've easily flipped it round with Sansa's words.

The confusing part of Sansa explaining what happen to him is that he knew the hairnet had poison in it. In other words he knews something. But when Sansa brings up that the other person that touched her hairnet was Olenna which led her to believe Tyrell poisoned Joffery.

Keep in mind Sansa wasn't paying any attention to the people that were delivering the pie due to seeing a sword that she thought was her fathers sword. (She might not have noticed another person touching the hair net due to the shock of seeing the sword.)

Keep in mind in the books that no one in the castle knows where the poison is. They bring up the wine more but sometimes the pie is brought up.

But if the wine was poison why wasn't Margaery as well. It's stated in the book that Joffrey was given a glass as a wedding gift and wanted to share the wine with Margaery during the wedding feast.

So, why would Olenna take the risk of poisoning her own granddaughter? (It's very different in the tv show, because in the show Margaery and Joffrey were not sharing the same wine cup.) Even thought Littefinger gives a reason which doesn't add up if Olenna wanted to protect Margaery from Joffrey's cruelty-why point it in the wine cup they are sharing.

Plus the plan seems to be confusing. Why involve anyone. It could have easily been Olenna to the cup when it came to the poison. Plus, what would've stopped anyone to notice that Sansa's hairnet had poison in it. When Olenna wanted to marry Sansa to someone in her own family.

It seems weird framing Sansa, especially if the red haired female didn't show up the wedding or wear the hairnet. Because Originally Sansa didn't want to go but changed her mind. So keeping the poison in the hairnet seems strange if Sansa didn't come or even wear it, regardless of the promise the female made.

So yeah, the plan is still weird. Plus, Sansa thinks it was from her hairnet. Unless it wasn't and only made Sansa believe that it was because either one of the poison beads fell of, or was taken off to make her think that.

Because it's brought up that the poison would've or should've been dissolved in wine as an expectable when The Strangler is brought up. So someone would've noticed the poison within it's solid form. (Keep in mind we're never told how long it takes for the poison to dissolve into food or drinks.)

So it would make sense that someone already had the poison dissolved and ready to go by the time of the wedding. It's just where or when it was used.

[torieisawesome99]

GoT idea ahead

So I've heard the whole "dany hatched the dragons through blood magic/sacrifice" right and I have a half baked thought about how the series ending could have gone.

We've seen that her dragons particularly drogon and her have a very special slightly out of the norm bond right guys so what if that's partly because of the way they were brought into the world. We also know/have heard that when she does drogon takes her body back to old valyria but what if that's because she's not like DEAD DEAD more like in a near death stasis type of thing. What if when she hatched the dragons it affected her as well in such a way that as long as one of the dragons is living then she can't fully die but isn't fully whole either and drogon takes her to old valyria to bring her back via dragon fire. Taking her body to somewhere safe somewhere the magic of the dragons is strong and breathing life back into her. Like having a life bond between her and the 3 dragons would even make her actions near the end of the season that much more understandable because then it's on the context of 2 of her dragons are dead 2 pieces of her life/soul are ripped away brutally of course she's going crazy of course she's rapidly escalating in her descent to madness her essence of being that was equally shared between her and her dragons now rests on her and drogon and she's SPLITTING AT THE SEAMS

[ra-horakhty-art]

Dream fire with her children: Drogon, Rhaegal, Viserion.

Comission.

[lemonsharkgirlfriend]

everyone's joking about a lesbian love triangle being the focus of rhaenyra/alicent/mysaria's stories in hotd s3 but that will literally be what happens when mysaria acts to uphold and support the image of rhaenyra as queen (or rhaenyra's duty) and alicent is kept prisoner (or a hidden but unavoidable reminder of rhaenyra's love). and so the love triangle will serve to represent rhaenyra's internal conflict between love and duty

[witchthewriter]

Dany Targaryen who cannot have her own biological children but when she liberates Westeros she adopts so many orphans. She DOES break the wheel, she restores peace and even though she has lost people close to her, it doesn't stop her from loving her subjects.

She especially has a soft spot for women and children. She makes sure the children she rules over are always fed, with proper clothes and shoes.

They are all given a choice of schooling, boys and girls alike, children from all classes, cultures and backgrounds.

There is no more Iron Throne because Drogon still melted it down. Maybe her reign does begin with ashes ... but like a phoenix, her people rise.

[aphrmoosun]

Streets are saying what Aemond is doing here is taking a ring from his brother.

Some say it is some kind of betrothed ring with Helaena and others that it is Viserys'. I don't know what to think actually bc I don't know anymore what they want to do with Aemond in this part. What do you think?

It can be he wears both rings but I think Viserys' ring is the one he wears on his little finger and it's the one he wore before going to battle (????

[amber-laughs]

In my personal opinion a lot of people misunderstand the situation around Ned's battle at ToJ. Ned and his men fought and killed several men of the Kingsguard. But why? Why won't they let him get to his sister even though Rhaegar and Aerys are dead?

"I came down on Storm's End to lift the siege," Ned told them, "and the Lords Tyrell and Redwyne dipped their banners, and all their knights bent the knee to pledge us fealty. I was certain you would be among them." "Our knees do not bend easily," said Ser Arthur Dayne. "Ser Willem Darry is fled to Dragonstone, with your queen and Prince Viserys. I thought you might have sailed with him." "Ser Willem is a good man and true," said Ser Oswell. "But not of the Kingsguard," Ser Gerold pointed out. "The Kingsguard does not flee." "Then or now," said Ser Arthur. He donned his helm. -Eddard X

Aerys is dead. Rhaegar is dead. Aegon is dead. Rhaenys is dead. And they know Prince Viserys is alive and unprotected at Dragonstone with a respected knight. Why not go to him? The next in line. Why stay and guard Lyanna? Because they're not guarding Lyanna. They're guarding their King. Jon Snow. They are the kingsguard and their knees do not bend easily. They cannot bend their knee to anyone other than Rhaegar's last living son. They know Lyanna is dying, they know Ned will take Jon away. They might even think Ned will kill him then and there, why not? His faction killed Aegon and Rhaenys. They aren't stopping a young man from seeing his beloved sister, they're stopping him from killing their rightful king.

[starogeorgina]

Joffrey laughing while talking about Rhaenyra’s death to then die the same way Aegon II only adds fuel to my theory that in her final moments Queen Rhaenyra placed a real curse on her brother and those who share his likeness

“Rhaenyra Targaryen had time to raise her head toward the sky and shriek out one last curse upon her half-brother before Sunfyre's jaws closed round her, tearing off her arm and shoulder.”

— Fire & Blood

[kacievvbbbb]

I feel like the main reason this evil shanks theory is so prevalent (besides the private meeting the the gorsei which up even I can’t explain) is that his general cheeriness and lackadaisical disposition is more of a presented front, a mask to be slipped on and off at will which would be fine if he weren’t often put in the same boat as Roger and Luffy two people ( for as much as we know about roger) who have no masks at all.

Don’t get me wrong I’m pretty sure that Shanks is a naturally happy, good natured dude but he’s also the most politically minded pirate we have seen on the show (and some of these pirates were actual politicians) like I’m pretty sure Roger is more mature and secretive than Luffy ( makes sense he’s older and has seen more of the world) but with both of them you never get the sense that their silliness is something they are putting on for the direct purpose of making themselves less of a threat. They both can get serious when the situation calls for it but that feels more of an extension of their already established personality more than a hidden personality.

While with shanks it’s undeniable that something changed within him and his goals the day Roger died I don’t know if Roger actually told him something or if he just wasn’t dealing with the abandonment well it was probably a mix of both honestly. But yeah Shanks comes off as a guy with his ear to the ground someone who has schemes on schemes on schemes. he’s someone playing in the long run, kind of like crocodile but not nefarious. And when compared with a straight forward head first always kinda guy like Luffy, like he often is, he can come off a little suspicious.

There’s something that’s a little fake about his cheer, something a little too performative about his optimism and foolishness. I think it’s a mix of; he’s housing a deep sadness, he’s more of a realist that an optimist and also dudes just a pacifist unlike like luffy who loves to brawl ( like luffy knows when it’s better not to fight but he also loves a good fight) and he would rather deescalate a situation than fight it out and sometimes the easiest way to do that is with an air of cluelessness and making yourself seem less of a threat which makes it so much more jarring but effective when he reveals just how big a threat he is. but I can see why people think it’s suspicious.

(Interestingly even when luffy tries to emulate this behavior like when he first encountered Bellamy at the pub his plan is to just not react which while in the same vain is very different than Shanks actively playing the drunken good natured take it on the chin role for the bandits Luffy was still essentially himself he just refused to react while Shanks played a role which made it more terrifying and effective when he stopped)

Also it doesn’t help that until recently he’s largely been missing from the narrative with just a man echoing or a whisper here or there of how powerful he is.

But I think we should remember that Shank’s goal is essentially world peace. and peace, a true lasting peace, is just a little more of a precarious balancing act, than utmost freedom. For freedom you have to destroy the old game, for peace you have to learn to play a new one, hopefully with a bit more kindness injected into the foundation.

[nebbyy]

A list of my most unpopular ASOIAF opinions and theories

Please remember this is all based on the books alone, and there also might be SPOILERS for Fire and Blood and the Game of Thrones book series.

ALSO I might open the requests for Game of Thrones fics and headcanons, and maybe for Baldur's Gate as well once I get back into it.

Okayyy so here we gooo.

1. Maegor's story doesn't add up

Don't get me wrong, he must've obviously been a horrible king and a shitty husband, but reading the chapters that talk about him in Blood and Fire, it all just felt like a list of rumours and versions of all nefarious crimes he would've committed. There are about five versions of whatever he did with each wife of his, each of them more depraved than the one before.

Again, I don't think he was an angel or anything, but my theory is that his history was written by biased sources. His reign was made illicit by Jaehaerys, so it would've been in his best interest to have him remembered as nothing more than a viscious monster.

It's a form of "damnatio memoriae" that we've already seen, in a way, with Mushroom and the Dance of Dragons. When in a conflict, and especially after a victory, each side wants to depict the side they beat as badly as possible Caesar did a similar thing in "De Bello Gallico", the book about his conquest of the modern French and Swiss territories. In this book he excuses his conquest with the supposed preparations for an attack by the Helvetians, a fact that was proven to be misinterpreted as it was a mere pacific migration. And again, he did the same thing when he accused them of cannibalising each other while being under siege, another untrue fact made up to just make them seem worse.

So in a way, Maegor's reputation could've been made worse by following historians to legitimate Jaehaerys' reign over Aerea's claim.

2. Incest has no effects on Valyrians

Okay, this is a bit weirder. My theory is that Valyrians practised incest because it had no effect on their offspring.

Looking at the Targaryen family tree, I noticed that the cases of madness increase the more Targaryens marry with other houses. Baelor the Blessed was the first mad Targaryen, and he had a grandmother of house Harte and a great grandmother who was half Arryn.

Before Baelor, Helaena is questionably considered mad as well, which would prove my theory furthermore had it not been for the amount of trauma she endured in her life so I'm honestly not gonna count her as "mad". Rhaegel Rargaryen was the second confirmed mad Targaryen, with a Martell mother; his daughter Aelora is questionably considered mad too, and her mother is an Arryn.

Aerion Brightflame was another mad Targaryen, with a half Martell father and a Dayne mother. The last two mad Targaryens were Aerys II and Viserys III, but at this point, the bloodline was mixed with others enough to make the Targaryen madness an unpredictable factor.

3. There is no good or bad in the Dance of Dragons

So I think we could theorise that Valyrians can perform incest so long as it remains within pure Valyrian blood.

Edit: some of you have pointed out how there were other signs of incest complications in the Targaryen family such as malformities and stillborn babies. I really am no biologist and I don't want to dwell into that "Valyrian race supremacy" craziness, but those cases are once again always correlated to marriages between Targaryens and other houses, for example all of Maegor's stillborn and unborn children (as 5 out of his 6 wives were not Targaryens/Valyrians) or the following cases.

Rhaenyra had a claim on the throne because of Viserys' will, but Aegon had a claim on the throne because of the laws of Westeros themselves. You can argue that Alicent wasn't the nicest stepmother, yet you can't look me in the face and tell me a woman in the middle ages married to a KING to whom she had given THREE SONS wouldn't complain when the king dismisses all of them and their claims in favor of his firstborn daughter.

Otto may have manipulated Alicent, but that was just how a Lord was supposed to act in that situation: have her marry the best candidate (the king), have her birth at least a son (she did) and make sure those children are first in line for the throne (as it should be, by the laws).

Viserys shouldn't have remarried if he already had his heir, period.

At the same time, Rhaenyra had every reason to fight for her claim and try and go against the actual laws of Westeros, but it was inevitable that many would've seen badly her attempt at claiming what was Aegon's birthright.

Lucerys was an asshole for mutilating Aemond and never showed remorse, quite the opposite. Aemond was an asshole who shouldn't have had all the power he had, plus I hardly believe his and Alys relationship was really consensual so there's that..

In the end, they all had their rights and wrongs, but that doesn't matter at all. The only point about the Dance is the fact that a pointless conflict led to the downfall of one of the strongest families in Westeros history.

4. Rhaegar didn't love Lyanna

I hate the series for making them marry. Like, seriously, have D&D ever read the books? Have they not read what happened between Maegor and the Faith when he took another wife??

Never, not even in the most twisted of universes, would the faith let Rhaegar kidnap and marry a Stark girl while he was still married to Elia. That just wouldn't be plausible.

And I also don't think he'd just fall in love at first sight with a random girl at a tournament. She was a beautiful soul and had many qualities, but she had nothing that could truly make a man throw away his whole life to pursue her.

He needed another child. The dragon has three heads. He had Rhaenys and Aegon, but Visenya was missing (I just made up the name for the third possible child considering he was naming them after the three conquerors lmao). He needed Lyanna to have that third child, and he knew how to get her to get what he wanted.

Perhaps we'll find out this isn't true. Perhaps Rhaegar really was head over heels for Lyanna, but I honestly really really doubt it.

5. There is no certainty on who the Prince that was Promised is

No matter what the show wants us to see, we still don't know who it is. It could be Daenerys, it could be Jon, it could even be Stannis and we're not gonna know it until Martin reveals it.

I honestly think Daenerys is Azor Ahai, but I'm still curious to see why we would need to revive Jon then. And considering Stannis' sword possibly being Azor Ahai's sword, is it a fake one made by Melisandre to get what she wanted from him, or does he actually possess the original sword?

Well, these are the first theories and opinions I could think of right now, I might post more in the future. Again, please don't slander me in the comments, these are just my personal opinions and I respect all others.

[hotdaemondtargaryen]

THE CAST OF 'HOUSE OF THE DRAGON' REACTING TO FAN THEORIES ABOUT DAEMON TARGARYEN.

DAEMON IS THE NIGHT KING.

[zackstriker]

my absolute favorite phil moment was the time in wdapteo 3 when he unironically and with his full chest almost called the queen his mum on accident

[queen-helaenas-pet-spider]

Satin Flowers Theories That Spark Joy:

1. He is a highborn!!!!

DEFINITELY POSSIBLE!!!!!! Satin having skills that mainly a highborn would have {reading, writing, etc}, him being bad at keeping fires in Jon's fireplace going {which is something a servant would do, and not a highborn}, etc.

2. He is the real Prince Aegon Targaryen {son of Prince Rhaegar Targaryen and Princess Elia Martell *who was "killed" when Tywin Lannister and his army sacked King's Landing*} and not Young Griff!!!!

A little out there, I know, but it's a fun theory!!!!!!!! If Satin is Rhaegar and Elia's Aegon, and Jon is Rhaegar and Lyanna's Aegon {or whatever Jon's real name might be, I really hope it's not Aegon}, then that means Jon Snow has been one - sidedly trying to court his half brother for 3 books {knowing the Valyrian's, that's not a bad thing, but they're both men, and one or both of them might not be into it}.

And if they're both Rhaegar's sons, them and Daenerys {Rhaegar's little sister} completes yet another 3 headed dragon {Dany as Aegon The Conqueror, Satin/Potential Aegon #? as Rhaenys, and Jon/Potential Aegon #? as Visenya. Walk with me. W A L K W I T H M E ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! }

More cons: 1. Satin being Rhaegar and Elia's Aegon would mean that another heir to the Iron Throne has thrown his life away to serve at a place that will kill you if you try to quit. And 2. As far as we know, Jon and their friends are the only support he has, and that wouldn't be enough to help him reclaim the throne {that Daenerys is also fighting for}.

3. He is one of Robert Baratheon's bastards!!!

Robert {a Baratheon man with Targaryen blood} was in love with a Stark man {Ned Stark, and not Ned's sister Lyanna *who went to war for, but couldn't even remember what she looked like*} and now Jon {A Stark man with Targaryen blood} in love with another potential Baratheon man with Targaryen blood?!?!?!?! {They'd still be related, but not as close as they'd be if he was Rhaegar and Elia's Aegon!!!!!!!!}

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Satin Flowers Theories That DO NOT Spark Joy:

1. He is one of Littlefinger's MANY spies!!!!

WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT?!?!?! I mean, if it somehow ties into Littlefinger's whole climb up the Ladder plan, sure. But other than that, he would just wasting his time, money, and a very pretty boy that can make him even richer.

2. HE IS ONE OF JON SNOW'S KILLERS!!!!

No matter Satin's possible station in the world, he literally has NOTHING to gain from killing Jon!!!! Jon comforted him when he was scared, stayed by his side while fighting, elevated his status {which includes living with Jon in his chambers instead of barracks full of men that hate him}, verbally tore apart all who talked shit about him, etc!!!!

The only thing Satin gains from killing one of his very few supporters, would be getting hurt and killed by enemies. Saying that Satin Flowers is one of the men that killed Jon Snow is about as believable as Sansa Stark causing the Doom Of Valyria {which happened centuries before she was born, but knowing Sansa antis, I'm sure they've found a way to blame her for that, too 🙄🙄💀💀}.

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Or, Satin Flowers could be just as GRRM introduced him as: A former sex worker turned into a man of the Night’s Watch, nothing more, nothing less. But I have a feeling that GRRM has plans for Satin, and I PRAY those don't include hurting or killing him right after the mutiny, or him being a traitor. Either of those would kill Jon....again....💀💀💔💔

[dedalvs]

Hello David, love your work and i hope you are well! If you are still taking High Valyrian questions, I have one about the words for colors (or should I say color groups in this case...?). Was there a particular inspiration or reasoning behind which colors got grouped together under which word?

Thank you and have a nice day!

We know a lot about how color terms evolve over the years. There are some common patterns regarding when new color terms emerge. In conlanging, the goal is to figure out where on that trajectory your conlang's speakers lie (assuming they're humans and the evolution is more or less natural). The landmark study was done by Berlin and Kay in 1969. The snapshot version of it is this:

STAGE 1: white vs. black

STAGE 2: white, black, red

STAGE 3: white, black, red, green, yellow

STAGE 4: white, black, red, green, yellow, blue

STAGE 5: white, black, red, green, yellow, blue, brown

STAGE 6: everything

High Valyrian is at stage 3. Now, it's very important to remember that we're talking about the development of color terms, not color perception. Individual variation aside, human eyes are the same and perceive things just as well now as they used to. That is, just because a language has fewer color terms doesn't mean those speakers can't distinguish between the two colors. Consider that we can have varying shades of what we would call sky blue and just because we'd call them all "blue" or even call them all "sky blue" doesn't mean we can't pick out a pattern going from dark to light and repeating quite easily. Basically, as differentiating color becomes more commercially important, more terms emerge.

So, long story short, I decided it would be good for High Valyrian to be at stage 3, because then it would be more interesting for the daughter languages. That is, if there's no distinction between blue and green (both kasta), maybe northern daughter languages have kasta as "blue" and take some other word for "green" based on "leaf", or something, while the southwestern languages use kasta for "green", and maybe add iēdar "water" on the front of kasta for "blue", or something like that. Thus the daughter languages can be grouped by the new color terms that developed as their speakers left the Valyrian Peninsula and settled in their new home. If High Valyrian was already stage 6 the result would be far less interesting.

That's the story behind it. :)

[witchthewriter]

I don't really talk about theories and such, but I really believe in the whole 'fertile targaryen women = more dragons.'

If anyone wants to put down the op of this theory - because I cannot find them.

But ultimately I agree with the above, and yet, whenever targ women have miscarriages; it's almost like they're blood sacrifices for the dragon line to continue.

It's like a circle and the dragons rely on the women, while the women rely on the dragons. Not only for some sort of spiritual connection, but as a means of defending themselves.

Whenever women are abused and mistreated; this brings down the number of dragons and potential dragons.

And what I truly believe, is that when a Targ woman has a dragon, she is not only protected, but reverred and respected. They can get up and go whenever they please. They have power. It doesn't matter the size of the dragon, they have one nonetheless.

So, why didn't everyone in House Targaryen have a dragon? Mixing the above with also the idea that the father of the family ultimately decides who does and doesn't get a dragon. They decide who does and doesn't get POWER.

Therefore, it sort of seems like with Jahaerys the Conciliator' - that he decided who in his family would have dragons and who wouldn't have a chance. He had many girls; but only like one or two got the chance.

For example, Alyssa married Baelon (her brother) and then she rode her dragon after her marriage.

Ultimately, what I'm trying to say, is that women are an innate part of the dragon lifeline and vice versa. The treatment of women are reflected in the entrapment of the dragons, i.e., the dragonpit. Where they really should be out, free and hunting for themselves. They should have their own power.

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