#future season theories

[blue-eye-samurai]

Agreed. Granted, I want to see Taigen confess his growing feelings for Mizu no matter what, but I do think it will be even more powerful and unexpected if Taigen confesses his feelings before he finds out Mizu is a woman. Also, I really think he needs to be the one who makes the first move (for example: initiate their first kiss) because after what happened with her husband, Mizu will probably never make the first move again.

Another thing that is important to keep in mind here is that Taigen needs to be able to love Mizu just as she truly is and do so without trying to make her become more traditionally feminine like Akemi. One of the reasons why things didn’t work out with Mikio is exactly because (like op said) he didn’t want a wife who was an equal partner. He was a very conservative man who still held very misogynistic and patriarchal views about women.

Mikio could accept that Mizu is mixed race woman, but he still expected her to behave like every other Japanese woman around her (frail, passive, submissive, etc). He could not accept her as a woman who isn’t traditionally feminine, much less accept that she’s a woman who could easily beat him in combat. In his eyes that was completely unacceptable and Taigen cannot make that same mistake. Mizu has felt unloved and unwanted her whole life, so he cannot give her anymore pain or rejection by confessing his feelings — only to then turn around and abandon Mizu the moment she reveals her true self to him.

Sure, right now he can easily respect Mizu “the man” who everyone knows is an incredible warrior, but will Taigen still respect Mizu the woman? Can his ego handle knowing that a woman humiliated him publicly and continues to best him in combat every time? I like to think so, especially since we’ve already seen Taigen grow a lot in just the first season. However, I know that he still has a lot more growing to do and I think Taigen needs to continue proving himself worthy of Mizu’s love.

“He’s not a good man. He can be a great one.” — I’m really looking forward to seeing Taigen grow more as a person and I truly believe that when he does learn about Mizu’s truth, he will not respect her any less for it. If anything, I want him to admire her even more because of it. He may give her a bit of grief about it at first (“Ringo knew the truth but not me?? ME, who endured torture from your enemies just to protect you?!”) but I think he will quickly get over it and will understand why Mizu couldn’t tell him the truth sooner.

Taigen’s love confession NEEDS to come before he finds out Mizu is a woman.

Listen. I have given this a lot of thought and the more I think about it, the more I’m sure. When looking at Mizu and Mikio’s marriage, we can see how Mikio was in to the idea of a strong woman only so far as he was still stronger than her. This is clear when Mikio insists that he wants to “see all of [mizu]” and insists that they spar; Mikio doesn’t unsheath his blade even though Mizu tell him not to hold back. He assumes he is stronger than her and when this is proven false, like the beta bitch he is, he bails.

But with Taigen it’s different. Mizu and Taigen’s relationship has been a power struggle from the start. Taigen wasn’t introduced to Mizu as a woman or a wife. Taigen has always seen Mizu as a swordsman first. And when the hostility between the two starts to cool, it is because of their mutual admiration of the other’s skill. Mizu’s strength and boldness are what win Taigen over in the first place.

We also see a very important juxtapose between when Mizu pins Mikio to the ground and when she pins Taigen to the ground. In the first instance, Mikio pushes Mizu off him and calls her a monster. He feels put off and emasculated by being overpowered. In the Mizu/Taigen scene, however, once Mizu has Taigen pinned, he stares, awestruck, into Mizu’s eyes and gets a raging hard on. Instead of feeling emasculated, Taigen get so aroused that he has a full blown bi awakening.

So we know that Taigen is different to Mikio in that he is attracted to Mizu BECAUSE she can kick his ass, not in spite of it. But Mizu has been burned before. Badly. So if Taigen were to confess his feelings and tell Mizu that her strength is what he adores most about her, she’d be like, ��right, sure, heard that one before.” And that’s why Taigen needs to confess his feelings BEFORE he finds out what’s in Mizu’s pants.

In my daydreaming about a Migen love confession, I find myself reminded of this quote. How Mikio was like the exotic bird collector. He only liked the idea of Mizu knowing her way around a sword so long as at the end of the day, he can still put her back into the caged-in roll of the house wife.

Taigen is also guilty of this with Akemi. I sure there is still no small amount of attraction and love between them, but I think Taigen pursues Akemi mostly out of the personal fable he has written about himself; the poor fisherman’s son who raises himself up to be the star of his Dojo and then marries a princess. He might not have wanted to cage Akemi as much as other men would have, but he still sees her as the exotic bird. The prize. And thats why I can’t ship them.

But with Mizu it’s different. Taigen even admits that Mizu is a better fighter than him. He KNOWS he could never cage her and by the end on the first season he strops trying, opting to stand beside her instead of against her (“it’s your fight, so it’s mine” 😭) So when he does confess his feelings, he has to do is as one man to another and make it clear to Mizu that her strength is what he loves most and that he would never want her to be anything less then the superior swordsman she is.

Only then will Mizu have a chance of believing that Taigen wants to be with her, not to subdue her into a wifely role, but to stand beside her in all her greatness. If Taigen’s confession were to come after he finds out she’s a woman, Mizu might just think, “oh, NOW you want to be with me, cause you think just because I’m a woman I’ll eventually submit to you.” Mizu needs to know she is loved AS SHE IS.

Also, I just think it would be HILLARIOUS if Taigen confesses, and Mizu is like, “ well then….. I guess I should let you know…” and then Taigen spends the rest of the episode with his mind fucking BLOWN and complaining that he has spent the last several months coming to terms with the fact that he is attracted to another man only to find out the man he is attracted to is a woman! He goes through a whole bi awakening for nothing!

[cherllyio]

Mei is connected to Chaos - Theory (Spoilers)

This theory started out after I did an analysis of chaos powers and how they work, more specifically with our two known chaos-powers-holders: Macaque and Xiangliu.

Here I realized that their chaos powers share two very important traits, that are also found in the Samadhi Fire:

The powers have a connection to the persons state of mind (meaning if they are unstable, the powers will also be unstable)

Just look at how, after Xiangliu lost connection to chaos, he went insane.

And then there is also the theory that the reason Macaque died was actually because his shadow powers took over him, as we see here (Just look at how they latch on to his body!):

He even laughed like a maniac while Wukong and Macaque were fighting! (as we heard in season 5)

2. They also have a general black core in the middle, no matter if its just general chaos powers, or shadow powers, which core seems to be chaos.

And this also goes for the Samadhi fire!

1. The Samadhi fire is incredibly unstable, and if Mei wasn’t in the right state of mind, she would have destroyed the world.

Princess Iron Fan describing the Samadhi Fire: “But over time it became… unstable.”

2.The Samadhi fire does indeed have a very strong black core, even after Mei has taken control of it!

Not only that: Try to take look at how it looks, when the Samadhi Fire was about to explode vs when Macaque used the stronger parts of his shadow/chaos powers:

AND how Mei, Xiangliu, and Macaque also has a sort “lightning” connected to their powers:

Mei: “This ol zippi zappy lightning thing? I’ve always kind of- “

Red Son: “You haven’t lost your connection. That’s the Samadhi Fire!”

And if The Samadhi Fire is connected to chaos, it would actually also explain why Red Son even had the Samadhi Fire!

Because it’s not treated as a part of Red Son’s "normal powers". Instead, the Samadhi Fire is explained as a completely different thing. Seeing as they could remove that part of his powers, without removing the rest.

DBK: We had no option but to… remove this power:

And while it may sound strange at first, that someone would give a demon baby, chaos powers (as they did with Macaque in the “deal”), it does actually make sense.

As whoever that “he” is, that Xiangliu mentioned, seems to want the universe to be destroyed. And what was it, that was so dangerous about the Samadhi fire again?

Red son:” The Samadhi fire is more than just an inextinguishable flame. It’s an interdimensional weapon with a destructive power to burn through the very fabric of reality!”

And not only would it destroy the fabric of reality, but it would also destroy the cycle! (it is “interdimensional” after all)

Which would also explain why LBD was so interested in first MK and Wukong (someone who has a very close connection with the cycle) and then the Samadhi fire! (Something that could destroy the cycle)

She likely knew about the cycle, which would make her motivation for “destroying” it, make even more sense.

So, if anything, giving Red Son (especially as a baby) chaos powers, would actually be a really clever, and quick way, to destroy the cycle, leaving only the primordial chaos left:

(notice the lightning again!)

And this is not just speculating! As we saw in season 5, they kept bringing the Samadhi Fire up, meaning it’s still important.

More specifically with this little guy, who is not only a “failed replica of the Samadhi Fire”, but also has an incredibly important place in Chinese Mythology!

More specifically I believe him to be “a failed replica” of Taouwu, who is explained as: “a creature with a human face, tiger’s feet, pig’s teeth, a long tail, and flowing hair.”

And what do you know? That fits our little creature exactly!

Meaning that the one who gave Red Son thoughs powers was Taouwu, and now (when Red Son tried to make a replica of it), it represents itself as Taouwu!

And Taowu is actually also known to be part of a group called “The Four Evils”, that are known to be the most malevolent beings in the Chinese mythology!

They are even sometimes explained as being the antagonist counterparts of the Four Guardians! Meaning that if the Guardians symbolize “order”, these guys symbolize “chaos”. (Which is definitely important!)

Which could hint at, that either one of these guys are the “he” who is winning or is connected to him in some way! (Hundun, as seen in the picture, legit represents “chaos”)

And that’s not even getting into the theory, that the Four Evils have a high chance of being the ones, or one of them at least, who made a deal with Macaque! Though- that will take some time to explain, so I will just link that theory here.

But more importantly the Taowu, in itself, symbolizes stubbornness and arrogance.

And here we have Red Son (someone who is very arrogant) and Mei (someone who is very stubborn), who has thoughs powers, meaning that they would also be the perfect fit for these powers!

Quick examples:

Red Son: “Get off me you peasants!”

Red son: “You (Mei) and the newdle boy will stop at nothing to defeat her (LBD), that’s how I know you won’t lose.”

Conclusion

The Samadhi Fire is, in its core, a destructive and unstable power, aka: a chaos power.

Which also includes a lot of similarities back to normal chaos powers (like we see with Xiangliu and Macaque) With examples like being unstable, a black core, and lightning.

Meaning that Red Son didn’t “create” the Samadhi Fire, and instead was likely given it by one of the Four Evil’s, more specifically Taouwu.

And since Red Son already had fire powers, and was a demon baby, no one would suspect anything, and Red Son wouldn't remember getting them.

But what do you guys think? :)

[r0semultiverse]

Digital Circus AMA Notes

Digital Circus is getting a season 1 at some point!!!!

#webcore aesthetic board for the series design

Pomni was going to be a frog originally. 🐸

90s toys Zooble inspo

Caine is an antagonist, but not by active choice, he doesn't know he's not helping. He doesn't feel a whole spectrum of human emotions (he's an AI).

"Caine canonically just lets things happen if he thinks it's funny."

Characters eat like Chao in Chao garden in Sonic. The characters can eat the food, but they can't digest it.

Jax's favorite food is spaghetti.

Pomni likes salmon.

Q "Was the ending a 'Last Supper' reference?" A "in a very superficial kinda way yeah." Religious stuff is sometimes just used for the funny.

Gooseworx tumblr sketches MAY or MAY NOT be canon to the series, so it's up in the air for every single one.

People can abstract from feeling too much pain if it breaks their mind from it being too much. Characters feel pain from things, but not as intensely as they would in real life.

Zooble is gonna swap parts every episode (implying they have spare parts) except their body & head.

Jax chose his own name & gooseworx likes to think he chose Gangle's name.

Ragatha was named "Emmy" originally.

They (the cast of characters trapped in the circus) can't change their clothes but Caine can. It's part of their skin sorta kinda.

There's empty space under Pomni's hat because video game model physics.

Spamton was partially inspo for Caine, Caine's VA did Spamton dubs.

Gangle only has 2 masks. Why's it (her hapiness mask) break all the time? Mental state, but the "real her" is "harder to break."

Kaumfo was gonna be part of the main cast originally before Jax.

Kaufmo's model has nothing below the waist at this time, but was made for that promotional image on twitter.

Q "What kinda person was Kaufmo?" A "He was the same as Ragatha in a sense, goofy & cheery, sometimes toxic levels of positivity."

I'm paraphrasing for the sake of note taking in real time, go watch the stream playback for more context & details if you want.

[gl1tched-g0th]

Literally my only nitpick about CT is that I wish they included Yaz's ankle injury and obvious chronic pain after TLR in some way. I guess you could say they did in the way that she (apparently) stopped track? Since she didn't talk about it much?? But it would've been nice rep for us chronic pain havers from injures that didnt heal properly 😔😔

[blue-eye-samurai]

Personally, I really like the idea of Mizu’s mother being white because HOLY SHIT that would be such a plot twist! 👀 And what if the white man who killed Mizu’s mother was actually her husband — married to her at the time that she had an affair with a Japanese man??

Also, what if Mizu’s mother was somebody “important” in England, like royalty or a high born heiress? Maybe that’s why she was killed (for the “sin” of giving birth to a biracial child) and why Mizu had to be kept hidden away for years?

I still really like your theory, though, because makes me wonder … could there possibly be a Japanese man living somewhere in London during the 1600s? And if so, why is he there? Is he the person that made sure Mizu would be kept alive and hidden away?

And who was the man that spared Mizu’s life as a baby? Was it Swordfather (maybe that’s the fire where he lost his sight) and he already knows that Mizu is actually a woman? Ohhh, there’s so many endless possibilities to explore here!

I GOTTA BES THEORY YALL🗣️

Fowler was telling the truth, Mizu is 1000% NOT his daughter. He was too meticulous in wiping any of his children from existence to lead to the fact that Mizu was a kept baby. When the assassins come for her they have to kill either her mother or an additional nurse maid to get to her. Another Nurse maid is paid off to take care of Mizu for at least 8 years. She is still an infant but she's at least a few months old.

Fowler states that him and Violet lived Loudly during the potential years of Mizu's conception. Why would two men who live loudly gaf about a bastard they left behind? Why would they waste the money to have a kid taken care of so long? Mizu's father has to be one of the men who went back to London.

Or, maybe it was her mother who was the white parent👀

[dnpanimationstudioclone]

Roo’s Future Vessel Theory🍏

Going on the idea Alastors controlled by Roo/Eve(possibly). She will someday take over Charlie when she’s at her lowest. And going on the idea she’s Charlie’s real mother(there’s been theories going around) perhaps created Charlie for this sole purpose.

It’s nothing new that Charlie’s made mistakes, some small, other ones pretty big. and she’s def aware of this too. What if eventually…she starts to feel like whenever she’s directly involved in things or tries to be, will just make things worse. Begins to feel that she’s an obstacle, just in everyone’s way and that eventually she’ll just push them away and perhaps worried…that’s why she left💔

Maybe overtime with Emily around in Hell, she proves to be more capable than Charlie in things like helping people directly with their problems and issues, especially with redemption(she’s a heavenly high seraphim who’s duty was to ensure the happiness and stability of the winners)

Maybe eventually she’ll get into fights with the gang, things being said and done that can’t be taken back…and end up keeping their distances…like she did. It could get to the point Charlie begins to think she’s the biggest threat to them, not the overlords, not heaven, not their pasts…she’s the root of it all.

And if the theory that’s she’s actually…Roos daughter this would amplify this even more. Believing her whole existence is just to destroy everything afterall…in a way, she wasn’t a failure…just was succeeding in a way she didn’t want to💔

And maybe using Al, Roo will convince Charlie…perhaps it’s time to play a different role for them. Especially with Emily coming along …seeing her as the new, better her, the true Protagonist. Now they need the true Antagonist, the big bad, the root of all their evil😈🍎 Afterall, some of the mistakes she made ended up creating some big changes, like how she handled Angels situation led to Husk and Angel becoming closer, or making Vaggie the leader of the exercises helped bring everyone together, the war on the hotel made Sir P finally redeem….

She created the Hotel, a place for everyone to change, she was the catalyst, the start, the root…and perhaps the best way she can help them now…is to make things worst first. Lowkey based on Ducktales, Negaduck

Charlie-They need a big bad villain for their story of good rising against evil? Happy to play the part!😈

I think this lowkey fits. Joy would be Charlie, Husk Anger, maybe they get into a fight.

What do u think? I’d love to know💖

[mydignityisinflames]

I wonder if when Viktor say's Jayce was being influenced by another it's actually the other way round? Viktor is the one listening to 'Sky' but we don't really know what Sky is or their true motivation. So maybe Jayce is the one acting on his own thoughts but Viktor doesn't want to believe Jayce would act like that on his own or believe that Jayce has a legitimate reason for opposing Viktor.

Or perhaps it's possible the both Viktor and Jayce are being influenced by opposing forces? Or even the same force that needs to pit them opposite each other to achieve it's needs?

[frozen-orbit]

Being unaware sometimes has its perks. Because i didn't know what the title of TDP season 7 was when i first watched season 6, and i went through the whole thing wondering what it would be, cause all of the primal sources had been used already. It was not until episode 9, when Aaravos explained what was needed for the spell to free him from the pearl, and he mentioned an object related to each primal source and then said that it also needed love, that i thought "Well of course! Season 7 is gonna be 'Love'! That's it!". And then... well... i found out i was not quite right 😭................................ Or was I? 👀👀👀👀

I don't think this was unintentional. In fact, the more i think about it, the more i realize how closely related both of the concepts of love and dark magic are within the story. I know at this point of the show this might be obvious, but hear me out.

There's this idea of what love is, that has been constantly portrayed throughout the series. Sacrifice. Quotes such as "i did what i had to do", "i would do anything for you". We hear these kind of phrases and many of us immediately associate them with love, whether it is romantically, platonically, filially, etc. But also, almost all of these quotes have been said in the show referencing the act of dark magic.

And what does dark magic require? The unthinkable, atrocious actions, sometimes betraying your own morals for a greater good. Oh, but isn't that admirable? Isn't that romantic? To have someone destroy themself in order to save you? Why, that's the greatest act of sacrifice anyone could do! They did it for love!

This may be a distorted idea of what love is, but we can't deny the fact that these kind of actions are perceived as acts of love, both in our society and in the TDP storyline. And it's really interesting because those are like opposite concepts: love is good, dark magic is bad; love is life, dark magic is death; yet somehow, they've managed to put them together and the line between one another has become so blurry. Are they really that different? If any despicable action could be done in the name of love, wouldn't that be just as dark? Wouldn't that also corrupt one's soul?

Honestly, i'm so excited to where the writers would go with this, but i don't know if it'll be that much in the face. My guess is that some character would do some huge sacrifice that would divide opinions on whether it was an act of love or an act of iniquity. What do you think?

[girl-in-the-chairs-void]

Do you guys think that as Jaehaera grows up and sees her mother spiral into madness, and her father drinking himself into despair because he lost the only heir he had (unless Maelor becomes an active heir), would throw her into a despair? And forgive me it’s literally almost 2 am but I’ve been thinking on this and Jaehaera and Jaehaerys are spitting images of each other, although Aegon hasn’t been as attached to her as he has been with Jaehaerys (supposedly). Maybe Aegon never actually acknowledges her presence? The spitting image of the only heir he lost, a forever reminder of his failure to protect his son, his blood. Would he distance himself away from her? Wishing that she was the one that had died instead of his son? It’s cruel to think of it but with the rage we saw in episode 2 I’m not entirely sure he would keep Jaehaera close which may cause her to be in hurt and feel isolated because she quite literally has no one of her own (similarly to other Hightower/Greens kids)

[aspiringwarriorlibrarian]

Love how Ekko is leading the Firelights against the Noxians in the trailer. He can always be trusted to know who the enemy is.

[illusion-within-delusion]

As i’ve seen a few other people point out, these photos definitely give off the vibes of the Diamonds from Steven Universe. Three mighty rulers, and their overshadowed little sibling.

plus! the fact that the other Collectors seemed to want to be in total control of humanity, while our Collector just wants to play, is similar to how the other Diamonds wanted to claim Earth as a gem factory, and Pink wanted to learn about Earth and see the joy in it

the second photo has another Collector though. i wonder what that’s all about?

Edit: upon looking at higher quality images of the above photos, i do not believe the second image is the collectors.

the characters on the right are clearly not the Collectors, it was hard to see in the original images.

if they arent Collectors, who are they? what do their hats symbolize? why are they befriending our Collector?

[strawberrybyers]

i might be delusional but i am free

^new bts pics of damaged cars on the set of stranger things

^delorean from back to the future

[guthrie-odonto]

Hold on just a moment

So we have these images revealed recently, yeah? With Luz’s staff having what I can only describe as “nebula on a stick”, yeah?

And there’s two images of it in that form in the forest outside of what I can assume is the Collector’s room. That might mean these scenes aren’t that far apart chronologically or the palisman “hatching” process takes a while once it actually starts to hatch, but…

What if Luz carving her palisman so she can “let it decide what it wants to be” resulted in her palisman being a shapeshifter, with this orb being the base (or initial) form? The ultimate symbol of unapologetically being whatever, whoever, your deepest heart says you are. It’d be the ultimate thesis statement of this series, even more so than “us freaks have to stick together”

Plus, there is just ALL of the evidence that Luz’s palisman is gonna be a snake, if not a winged snake, and… a shapeshifting snake that has a bond with Luz and her family? A shapeshifting snake that arguably has winglike appendages—maybe ears, for example?

Can’t say we’ve never seen that before.

[markantonys]

day 71 of asking why reddit has suddenly become convinced that the 'finn and mat's rhuidean trip are a waste of time and easily cut, and that season 3 will obviously feature him splitting off from the friends he just reunited with in order to spend the entire season dicking around with thom and getting into shenanigans, as that is much more important to his overall character arc than his 2-book waste arc

like there have been SO MANY posts like this lately and all of them are filled with comments of universal agreement! am i having a stroke? what the hell is going on???? i'll admit mat doesn't have a huge amount of specific stuff to do in the waste aside from rhuidean, but rhuidean is crucial to his character and s2 had Mat-Finn Connection Foreshadowing out the wazoo, plus the waste plotline is MUCH more fertile ground for creating additional Specific Mat Stuff and enhancing his character development & relationships with other main characters than his TDR plotline of dicking around with thom is.

[offline-nobody]

arcane season 2 act 1 spoilers + potential act 2 and 3 spoilers (im speculating over here)

i heard a theory that jayce, ekko, snd heimerdingher were sent into the future (10 years specifically) from somewhere, and i just cant get it out of my head, specifically for what it could mean for jayce

because if jayce is sent into the future, hell be face to face with a monument to his own shortcomings

every one of his mistakes will be front and centre for him to see in the future of piltover

the war that he (in part) started? stronger than ever, with no sign of stopping

the hexteck weapons he made? every soldier will be equipped with one, there purpose as tools all but forgotten

the tree he poisoned with his hexgates? dead, gone alongside everything else ekko had built

viktor? worshipped as a god, his humanity all but forgotten

and the worst part? piltover will love him for it. they will have immortalised him, potentially even made him into a martyr. heck, i honestly think theres a chance that viktor will thank him for fusing him with the hexcore, taking that final step he never wouldve

jayce will be viewed as a hero for all his worst deeds, and he will hate himself for it. he will be a prisoner to his own legacy.

[dnpanimationstudioclone]

Charlie & Seviathan🍎💔🐙 Theory Future

While scrolling on tumblr found this Lil pic in Lucifer room. Here’s a link CHARLIE AND SEV! HE AND HELSA MIGHT BE COMING! And I got SOME VERY ANGSTY IDEAS!

I know a lot of people theorize Sev was a bad boyfriend or that his sister did something but what if…it was CHARLIE who screwed up! Perhaps Sev would be like Verosika and Charlie Blitzo! Let me set the scene:

What if Charlie initially got with Sev…to get closer with his parents(Leviathan to see if he knew how to find Lilith, who seems to be or have been close with Lucifer, had some pics with him)

I can imagine at some point she tried to find or atleast try to contact her mom after the divorce. And when she came to realize she probably wasn't in Hell, maybe she was in the mortal realm. Afterall mortal had all kinds of tales about her like in Jewish folklore.

At first she had tried with her uncle Ozzie and the succubus and Inccubi, her mom's people only to get nothing. Perhaps believing they're forced to keep their tounges tied because of their closer connection to her. I know the show isn’t 100% tied to the biblical lore and I’m not the biggest expert but I remeber there was something about Asmodeus and Lilith being married. Given their ties I imagine they def have a connection in the hellaverse.

as Helluva Boss has foreshadowed in the show and S2 trailer, Envy sinners seem to be "possessor types" can come into the human world in a way, perhaps through other peoples bodies.

Maybe she hoped if she wasn’t in Hell, she’d be up in the mortal realm like those religion stories talked about.

At first she just got closer, friendly to Sev and Helsa in order to get closer to their dad who she could get something out of better.

But one thing leads to another and Sev asks her out. Not wanting to lose her best shot, she dates him, despite not really liking him that way(she convinces herself to).

Overtime Charlie comes to butt heads with Sev and Helsa. I imagine they Def have their issues. Sev has been described as "not evil but moreover ignorant" and from what's been implied with Helsa, Def seems like a Regina goerge type mean girl. I can see Sev be a bit obnoxious, insensitive, kinda frat boy (not as bad as Adam, though I could see his behavior remind her a bit of Sev) but he wasn't a bad guy...like Charlie he genuinely had sweet intentions, just went about them the wrong way and didn’t always consider things properly too...

At one point they have a fight and Charlie finally snaps and...accidentally slips put what she really came for. Sev was HEARTBROKEN. He wasn’t perfect but…legitimately liked Charlie and thought she liked him too, flaws and all💔

And for everything Helsa loves her brother. While she could be mean, she was like that with everyone, it was never a really personal or deep thing. But with Charlie, it Def became PERSONAL! Perhaps…even she thought of Charlie as a genuine friend among the lackeys and yes man posse around her, only to realize she was just using her too.💔

Charlie didn’t mean to hurt them and it’s understandable she’d want to find her mom, but at the same time was so focused on finding her…she didn’t consider the damage she’d cause on that path to Lilith, loosing so much more in the process💔

In the end, Leviathan told Charlie Lilith Def wasn't anywhere he atleast saw her and everything else became bitter history...but hey. The past has a way to crawl back. They say revenge is a dish best served cold.

Imagine if Sev and Helsa do come into the future(perhaps thanks to the Vees like the social media Velvette, Katire Killjoy or someone else out to hurt the hotel), and exposed Charlie's darker moments to the gang and especially to Vaggie, trying to convince them that just like back then, she’s using them in order to get to her. Charlie once said in ep 1 to Vaggie how the sinners were her mom’s people too and at the end of her story, it showed she hoped she’d be making her proud. She clearly believes mom had care for the sinners and would most likely be proud if she found some way to help them….maybe even make her come back.

Scenario:

Seviathan-Think about it! Think about all the times she’s caused trouble because she didn’t consider the consequences or how it’d affect anyone! I know you know Vaggie, you’re practically running the hotel for her! spider boy knows, you can also ask his crazy boss and when she somehow took your(Vaggie) advice of “aggressive kindness” as just walking into his workplace and disrupting the set, and even accidentally walked into setting a FIRE pitching script ideas), snake boy knows.

Charlie-Don’t you dar-

I’ll give her some credit, she tricked him into thinking she cared and it made him redeem and be saved…she just had to have people die to keep her hotel from being wrecked, only to just NEED TO RENOVATE THE DUMP ANYWAY! Pity the rest of the cannibals who laid their lives for that day weren’t as lucky as him!

Maybe the problem isn’t that you just go about your “best intentions” in the wrong way. Perhaps they aren’t what’s best for them. Look at your new Angel friend(Emily) she managed to do what you struggle so hard to be. ACTUALLY GOOD! She didn’t even do anything hard, that only a divine heavenly entity could do…she just knows to treat people like people. Not like characters in your stupid little music show.

Helsa-We def ain’t saints ourselves but atleast we’re straight up about being crooked. Now you all know. What you do is up to you but don’t say we didn’t warn ya. They leave

Vaggie-Charlie?

Charlie-…

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I also hope this could be a way to address the critique people have about Charlie

think it’d be good to show and explore that even Charlie can be selfish and begin to reflect on herself on if she’s doing it for the right reasons. Husk even once said that Charlie helps others out with their issues, partially so she doesn’t have to deal with her own. She might be at a point where she even questions if she’s a good person or just convinced herself and everyone she is….like how she tried to convince herself she liked Sev.

Who knows this could even lead to huge changes with her relationship with Vaggie & the gang and how they view her…could even lead to…other things in the future. Good and bad.

What do u think? How do u imagine Charlie and Sevs relationship could’ve been like? I’d love to know💖