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Movies I watched in May
Sadly, I kind of skipped writing a post for April. It was a mad month with so much going on: lots of emails sent and lots of stress. I started a new job so I’m getting to grips with that... and even then, I still watched a bunch of movies. But this is about what I watched in May and, yeah… still a bunch. So if you’re looking to get into some other movies - possibly some you’ve thought about watching but didn’t know what they were like, or maybe like the look of something you’ve never heard of - then this may help! So here’s every film I watched from the 1st to the 31st of May 2021 Tenet (2020) - 8/10 This was my third time watching Christopher Nolan’s most Christopher Nolan movie ever and it makes no sense but I still love it. The spectacle of it all is truly like nothing I’ve ever seen. I had also watched it four days prior to this watch also, only this time I had enabled audio description for the visually impaired, thinking it would make it funny… It didn’t.
Nomadland (2020) - 6/10 Chloé Zhao’s new movie got a lot of awards attention. Everyone was hyped for this and when it got put out on Disney+ I was eager to see what all the fuss was about. Seeing these real nomads certainly gave the film an authenticity, along with McDormand’s ever-praisable acting. But generally I found it quite underwhelming and lacking a lot in its pacing. Nomadland surely has its moments of captivating cinematography and enticing commentary on the culture of these people, but it felt like it went on forever without any kind of forward direction or goal. The Prince of Egypt (1998) - 6/10 I reviewed this on my podcast, The Sunday Movie Marathon. For what it is, it’s pretty fun but nowhere near as good as some of the best DreamWorks movies.
Chinatown (1974) - 8/10 What a fantastic and wonderfully unpredictable mystery crime film! I regret to say I’ve not seen many Jack Nicholson performances but he steals the show. Despite Polanski’s infamy, it’d be a lie to claim this wasn’t truly masterful. Howl’s Moving Castle (2004) - 8/10 Admittedly I was half asleep as I curled up on the sofa to watch this again on a whim. I watched this with someone who demanded the dubbed version over the subtitled version and while I objected heavily, I knew I’d seen the movie before so it didn’t matter too much. That person also fell asleep about 20 minutes in, so how pointless an argument it was. Howl’s Moving Castle boasts superb animation, the likes of which I’ve only come to expect of Miyazaki. The story is so unique and the colours are absolutely gorgeous. This may not be my favourite from the legendary director but there’s no denying its splendour.
Bāhubali: The Beginning (2015) - 3/10 The next morning I watched some absolute trash. This crazy, over the top Indian movie is hilarious and I could perhaps recommend it if it weren’t so long. That being said, Bāhubali was not a dumpster fire; it has a lot of good-looking visual effects and it’s easy to see the ambition for this epic story, it just doesn’t come together. There’s fun to be had with how the main character is basically the strongest man in the world and yet still comes across as just a lucky dumbass, along with all the dancing that makes no sense but is still entertaining to watch. Seven Samurai (1954) - 10/10 If it wasn’t obvious already, Seven Samurai is a masterpiece. I reviewed this on The Sunday Movie Marathon podcast, so more thoughts can be found there. Red Road (2006) - 6/10 Another recommendation on episode 30 of the podcast. Red Road really captures the authentic British working class experience. Before Sunrise (1995) - 10/10 One of the best romances put to film. The first in Richard Linklater’s Before Trilogy is undoubtedly my favourite, despite its counterparts being almost equally as good. It tells the story of a young couple travelling through Europe, who happen to meet on a train and spend the day together. It is gloriously shot on location in Vienna and features some of the most interesting dialogue I’ve ever seen put to film. Heartbreakingly beautiful.
Tokyo Story (1953) - 9/10 This Japanese classic - along with being visually and sonically masterful - is a lot about appreciating the people in your life and taking the time to show them that you love them. It’s about knowing it’s never too late to rekindle old relationships if you truly want to, which is something I’ve been able to relate to in recent years. It broke my heart in two. Tokyo Story will make you want to call your mother. Before Sunset (2004) - 10/10 Almost a decade after Sunrise, Sunset carries a sombre yet relieving feeling. Again, the performances from Julie Delpy and Ethan Hawke take me away, evoking nostalgic feelings as they stroll through the contemporary Parisian streets. There is no regret in me for buying the Criterion blu-ray boxset for this trilogy. Before Midnight (2013) - 10/10 Here, Linklater cements this trilogy as one of the best in film history. It’s certainly not the ending I expected, yet it’s an ending I appreciate endlessly. Because it doesn’t really end. Midnight shows the troubling times of a strained relationship; one that has endured so long and despite initially feeling almost dreamlike in how idealistically that first encounter was portrayed, the cracks appear as the film forces you to come to terms with the fact that fairy-tale romances just don’t exist. Relationships require effort and sacrifice and sometimes the ones that truly work are those that endure through all the rough patches to emerge stronger. The Holy Mountain (1973) - 10/10 Jodorowsky’s masterpiece is absolute insanity. I talked more about it on The Sunday Movie Marathon podcast.
The Grand Budapest Hotel (2014) - 10/10 Another watch for Grand Budapest because I bought the Criterion blu-ray. As unalterably perfect as ever. Blue Jay (2016) - 6/10 Rather good up to a point. My co-hosts and I did not agree on how good this movie was, which is a discussion you can listen to on my podcast. Shadow and Bone: The Afterparty (2021) - 3/10 For what it’s worth, I really enjoyed the first season of Shadow and Bone, which is why I wanted to see what ‘The Afterparty’ was about. This could have been a lot better and much less annoying if all those terrible comedians weren’t hosting and telling bad jokes. I don’t want to see Fortune Feimster attempt to tell a joke about oiling her body as the cast of the show sit awkwardly in their homes over Zoom. If it had simply been a half hour, 45 minute chat with the cast and crew about how they made the show and their thoughts on it, a lot of embarrassment and time-wasting could have been spared. Wadjda (2012) - 6/10 Another recommendation discussed at length on The Sunday Movie Marathon. Wadjda was pretty interesting from a cultural perspective but largely familiar in terms of story structure.
Freddy Got Fingered (2001) - 2/10 A truly terrible movie with maybe one or two scenes that stop it from being a complete catastrophe. Tom Green tried to create something that almost holds a middle finger to everyone who watches it and to some that could be a fun experience, but to me it just came across as utterly irritating. It’s simply a bunch of scenes threaded together with an incredibly loose plot. He wears the skin of a dead deer, smacks a disabled woman over and over again on the legs to turn her on, and he swings a newborn baby around a hospital room by its umbilical cord (that part was actually pretty funny). I cannot believe I watched this again, although I think I repressed a lot of it since having seen it for the first time around five years ago. The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn - Part 1 - (2011) I have to say, these movies seem to get better with each instalment. They’re still not very good though. That being said, I’m amazed at how many times I’ve watched each of the Twilight movies at this point. This time around, I watched Breaking Dawn - Part 1 with a YMS commentary track on YouTube and that made the experience a lot more entertaining. Otherwise, this film is super dumb but pretty entertaining. I would recommend watching these movies with friends. Solaris (1972) - 8/10 Andrei Tarkovsky’s grand sci-fi epic about the emotional crises of a crew on the space station orbiting the fictional planet Solaris is much as strange and creepy as you might expect from the master Russian auter. I had wanted to watch this for a while so I bought the Criterion blu-ray and it’s just stunning. It’s clear to see the 2001: A Space Odyssey inspiration but Solaris is quite a different beast entirely. Jaws (1975) - 4/10 I really tried to get into this classic movie, but Jaws exhibits basically everything I don’t like about Steven Spielberg’s directing. For sure, the effects are crazily good but the story itself is poorly handled and largely uninteresting. It was just a massive slog to get through.
Darkman (1990) - 6/10 Sam Raimi’s superhero movie is so much fun, albeit massively stupid. Further discussion on Darkman can be found on episode 32 of The Sunday Movie Marathon podcast. Darkman II: The Return of Durant (1995) - 1/10 Abysmal. I forgot the movie as I watched it. This was part of a marathon my friends and I did for episode 32 of our podcast. Darkman III: Die Darkman Die (1996) - 1/10 Perhaps this trilogy is not so great after all. Only marginally better than Darkman II but still pretty terrible. More thoughts on episode 32 of my podcast. F For Fake (1973) - 8/10 Rewatching this proved to be a worthwhile decision. Albeit slightly boring, there’s no denying how crazy the story of this documentary about art forgers is. The standout however, is the director himself. Orson Welles makes a lot of this film about himself and how hot his girlfriend is and it is hilarious.
The Mitchells vs. The Machines (2021) - 4/10 More style over substance, Sony’s new animated adventure wants so much to be in trend with the current internet culture but it simply doesn’t understand what it’s emulating. There’s a nyan cat reference, for crying out loud. For every joke that works, there are about ten more that do not and were it not for the wonderful animation, it simply wouldn’t be getting so much praise. Taxi Driver (1976) - 10/10 The first movie I’ve seen in a cinema since 2020 and damn it was good to be back! I’ve already reviewed Taxi Driver in my March wrap-up but seeing it in the cinema was a real treat. Irreversible (2002) - 8/10 One of the most viscerally horrendous experiences I’ve ever had while watching a movie. I cannot believe a friend of mine gave me the DVD to watch. More thoughts on episode 32 of The Sunday Movie Marathon podcast. Don’t watch it with the family. The Golden Compass (2007) - 1/10 I had no recollection of this being as bad as it is. The Golden Compass is the definition of a factory mandated movie. Nothing it does on its own is worth any kind of merit. I would say, if you wanted an experience like what this tries to communicate, a better option by far is the BBC series, His Dark Materials. More of my thoughts can be found in the review I wrote on Letterboxd.
Antichrist (2009) - 8/10 Lars von Trier is nothing if not provocative and I can understand why someone would not like Antichrist, but I enjoyed it quite a lot. After watching it, I wrote a slightly disjointed summary of my interpretations of this highly metaphorical movie in the group chat, so fair warning for a bit of spoilers and graphic descriptions: It's like, the patriarchy, man! Oppression! Men are the rational thinkers with big brains and the women just cry and be emotional. So she's seen as crazy when she's smashing his cock and driving a drill through his leg to keep him weighted down. Like, how does he like it, ya know? So then she mutilates herself like she did with him and now they're both wounded, but the animals crowd around her (and the crow that he couldn't kill because it's Mother nature, not Father nature, duh). Then he kills her, even though she could've killed him loads of times but didn't. So it's like "haha big win for the man who was subjected to such horrific torture. Victory!" And then all the women with no faces come out of the woods because it's like a constant cycle. Manchester By The Sea (2016) - 6/10 Great performances in this super sad movie. I can’t say I got too much out of it though. Roar (1981) - 9/10 Watching Roar again was still as terrifying an experience as the first time. If you want to watch something that’s loose on plot with poor acting but with real big cats getting in the way of production and physically attacking people, look no further. This is the scariest movie I’ve ever seen because it’s all basically real. Cannot recommend it enough. Eyes Without A Face (1960) - 8/10 I’m glad I checked this old French movie out again. There’s a lot to marvel at in so many aspects, what with the premise itself - a mad surgeon taking the faces from unsuspecting women and transplanting them onto another - being incredibly unique for the time. Short, sweet and entertaining!
Se7en (1995) - 10/10 The first in a David Fincher marathon we did for The Sunday Movie Marathon, episode 33. Zodiac (2007) - 10/10 Second in the marathon, as it was getting late, we decided to watch half that evening and the last half on the following evening. Zodiac is a brilliant movie and you can hear more of my thoughts on the podcast (though I apologise; my audio is not the best in this episode). Gone Girl (2014) - 10/10 My favourite Fincher movie. More insights into this masterpiece in episode 33 of the podcast. Friends: The Reunion (2021) - 6/10 It was heartwarming to see the old actors for this great show together again. I talked about the Friends reunion film at length in episode 33 of my podcast.
Wolfwalkers (2020) - 10/10 I reviewed this in an earlier post but would like to reiterate just how wonderful Wolfwalkers is. If you get the chance, please see it in the cinema. I couldn’t stop crying from how beautiful it was. Raya and The Last Dragon (2021) - 6/10 After watching Wolfwalkers, I decided I didn’t want to go home. So I had lunch in town and booked a ticket for Disney’s Raya and The Last Dragon. A child was coughing directly behind me the entire time. Again, I reviewed this in an earlier post but generally it was decent but I have so many problems with the execution. The Princess Bride (1987) - 9/10 Clearly I underrated this the last time I watched it. The Princess Bride is warm and hilarious with some delightfully memorable characters. A real classic!
The Invisible Kid (1988) - 1/10 About as good as you’d expect a movie with that name to be, The Invisible Kid was a pick for The Sunday Movie Marathon podcast, the discussion for which you can listen to in episode 34. Babel (2006) - 9/10 The same night that I watched The Invisible Kid, I watched a masterful and dour drama from the director of Birdman and The Revenant. Babel calls back to an earlier movie of Iñárritu’s, called Amores Perros and as I was informed while we watched this for the podcast, it turns out Babel is part of a trilogy alongside the aforementioned film. More thoughts in episode 34 of the podcast. Snake Eyes (1998) - 1/10 After feeling thoroughly emotionally wiped out after Babel, we immediately watched another recommendation for the podcast: Snake Eyes, starring Nicolas Cage. This was a truly underwhelming experience and for more of a breakdown into what makes this movie so bad, you can listen to us talk about it on the podcast.
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Top 15 Portrayals of The Joker
Due to a certain play I’m involved with, I’ve been in a major Batman mood. (Not that such a mood is uncommon for me, mind you, but I digress.) I thus had a notion I thought would be fun: the play features four of Batman’s chief villains, and I thought it would be fun to discuss my favorite interpretations of all four. I may also cover Batman himself and possibly a couple of other side characters or villains that don’t show up in the play, but we��ll see.
For starters, let’s begin with the Dark Knight’s arch-nemesis: that Clown Prince of Crime, the Joker. The Joker is my favorite Batman villain, and arguably the single most iconic of them all. He’s also the one who has been adapted the most times out of any take on the character. The interesting thing about Joker, in my opinion, is that there are very few interpretations of him (outside of comics) that don’t work: maybe it’s just my own personal bias for the character, but there are only a small number of portrayals of the Ace of Knaves I’m not especially fond of. Most incarnations I like at least a little bit. But which Harlequins of Hate are the most nefarious? Here are my personal opinions: these are My Top 15 Jokers!
15. Zach Galifianakis.
In “The LEGO Batman Movie,” Zach Galiafianakis plays a wildly designed Joker who, while just as devious and maniacal as other versions, has a different bend with his schemes and plots. We all know the constant theme of interconnection between Batman and Joker, and some versions have even toyed with the idea of the character having a sort of one-sided romantic interest in his nemesis. This version does the same, but it’s played up for laughs: the animosity between the two characters is very literally treated like a love relationship, and the glorious irony speaks for itself. The film’s story basically treats the Joker almost like Batman’s ex-boyfriend or something, trying to get his beloved to see how much they truly need each other…and the hilarious thing is, in THIS movie, Batman actually DOES realize he needs Joker, and the results throughout are kind of hilarious to me. I know some people didn’t like this Joker, or even this movie, but I feel you have to go into this picture with a certain mindset: it’s ultimately a parody, and if you go into it understanding that fact, you can have a lot of fun.
14. Brent Spiner.
Spiner - famous for playing Data from Star Trek, among other roles - first played the Joker in the series Young Justice, where the Joker showed up as a member of Vandal Savage’s Injustice League. I have to be honest, at the time, I didn’t particularly care for his Joker, and neither did a lot of people, to my understanding. HOWEVER, Spiner has since handled the character a few more times, not only reprising the role in more recent seasons of Young Justice, but also playing the Joker in the Batman Audio Adventures you can find streaming now. Now, I’ve only listened to the first episode of those Audio Adventures (my ability to watch HBO Max is on the fritz), but between both that and his return on Young Justice, Spiner has REALLY kicked it up a notch. He’s gone from a version I’m not really fond of to one I actually want to hear more often, and that’s definitely deserving of some praise.
13. Christopher Corey Smith.
Galifianakis voiced Joker in the LEGO Batman Movie, but for most of the LEGO Batman games (and the first of the direct-to-DVD features), this guy has been the voice of the Clown Prince of Crime. Smith is a wonderfully zany, childish Joker - fitting for the off-the-wall universe of LEGO - who I can only describe as “delightfully obnoxious.” To the other characters, he’s often an annoyance, but he manages to be the right kind of annoying where the audience can enjoy his madcap antics. On top of that, he’s consistently shown to be smarter than he often seems, his humor belying a dangerous and cunning mind - perfect for any version of the Joker. Other people have played the character in the LEGO franchise, but Smith is the single most consistent, and I would argue the definitive LEGO Joker voice.
12. Richard Epcar.
Epcar first played the Joker in Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe, and his Joker was, in my opinion, my favorite character in the game, and the best-voiced of the entire DC side of the cast. It’s no surprise that Epcar would reprise the role in the MK-esque “Injustice” video games, which allowed for further depth and danger to the character, and allowed Epcar to further hone his vocal chops with the role. What I love about the Injustice Joker is that you can sort of blame the entire Injustice universe ON Epcar’s character: it’s because of the Joker’s actions that Superman ends up going…well…off the rails, to put it mildly, which in turn leads to the twisted, dystopian universe of the games. Since then, Epcar has reprised the role in other places, as well, further cementing himself as a particularly special portrayer of the part.
11. Troy Baker.
Troy Baker’s Joker is one I have a bit of an odd relationship with. Baker first played the Joker in the game “Arkham Origins,” where he was specifically set to play a younger version of Hamill’s Joker. While I thought Baker’s Joker was okay in that game, I had a few niggling issues with the use of the character there, plus I felt that Baker was trying so hard to follow in Hamill’s footsteps that it was hard to really find HIS Joker. HOWEVER, as time has gone on, Baker has reprised the role several times in numerous other versions, and I honestly and earnestly feel that, with every passing performance, his handle on the Joker becomes more uniquely his, and while his voice is still decidedly Hamill-esque, it feels like with every new rendition he gets more solidly into the role. On top of that, he has a lot of versatility with the character, from playing more comedic interpretations to more nasty and gritty ones, and nails it every time. I still can’t say he’s in my Top 10, but it’s a VERY close eleventh place here.
10. Joaquin Phoenix.
A lot of people will probably be upset with how low I’m placing Phoenix, but do not construe this to mean I dislike his portrayal. The issue here is what it’s always been, ever since I saw “Joker”: I do enjoy the film, and I think this might very well be my favorite of all of Phoenix’s performances. I also feel that this is truly a fascinating reimagining of the classic character we all know and love…but this is both a pro and a con. It’s a pro because it works really well, and the movie is truly a mindbending little piece of madness to behold, in the best possible way. But it’s a con because, in several ways, I think Phoenix goes too far against my personal grain: this is a great reinvention of the Joker, but it’s not by any means MY Joker. I also have to admit I’ve never been TOO big a fan of the design. It’s enough to get this Joker into the top ten, but not any higher: a brilliant performance, an interesting movie, a neat new take on the character…but perhaps a little too different from the norm for its own good. Again, this is MY opinion, and to those who feel differently, I can hardly blame you: there’s plenty to admire with this rendition.
9. Cesar Romero.
The one that started it all. I’m sorry Joaquin Phoenix, but when I think of the Joker, it’s this guy and his painted-over moustache that I tend to think of before thee. While Romero is obviously not by any means my definitive Joker, I do think he earns a lot of credit for being the first to play the role. While the character, of course, got started in the comics, so many of the traits and ideas we recognize in the character today, through various other actors and portrayals, really got started with Romero’s enthusiastic interpretation. On top of that, I think a lot of people underestimate just how good a performance this actually is: coming from someone who’s actually seen other Cesar Romero movies and roles, his Joker is really one of a kind: he’d never really played a character like this before, and never really would after. But to this day, we recognize him better for this part than any other, and you can’t deny he sinks absolutely and completely into the evil clown’s shoes.
8. Kevin Michael Richardson.
In several ways, I’ve always felt the early 2000s animated series “The Batman” was a sort of “60s Batman 2.0.” Something about it’s sense of style, in terms of writing, color choices, action-themed style, and the portrayals of several of the characters, reminded me of the 60s era…but with some more modern touches that more contemporary audiences would quickly recognize. Kevin Michael Richardson’s award-winning take on the Joker is a key example of that: while the character design is certainly way out there (the designs were a common issue of polarization among fans, with this show), it’s still recognizably the Joker, and the hyper-energized, at times childlike depiction of the Clown Prince of Crime - one of the most cartoonishly kooky of the past couple decades - definitely brings Romero’s comedic leanings to mind. Despite that, however, this Joker could be far more menacing than Romero’s, with a much more homicidal and depraved mindset. It’s even implied that some twist on the infamous storyline of “The Killing Joke” takes place in this universe, which only adds to the threat level this Joker could potentially provide. And if that wasn’t scary enough, there was the animated spin-off film “The Batman vs. Dracula.” Two words: Vampire Joker. It is as mortifying and marvelous as it sounds.
7. Michael Emerson.
A lot of people really seem to love the animated film adaptation of Frank Miller’s seminal classic, “The Dark Knight Returns.” My feelings about the movie are, coincironically, the same as my feelings about the graphic novel: I don’t think it’s a bad Batman movie, but I do feel it’s overrated…but with that said, I absolutely LOVE the Joker in both. Miller’s Joker is played absolutely perfectly in the animated feature by Michael Emerson, an actor who has quite the reputation for playing unhinged scoundrels and depraved monsters. So, naturally, the Clown Prince of Crime was excellent casting for him. Emerson’s Joker is very different from most, just as Miller’s is in the book: this Joker, in some ways, feels more disturbingly real. A detached, cold-blooded, crafty, deeply unsettling psychopath with a sassy, sexually ambigous side to his personality. This is, in my opinion, one of the scariest versions of the Joker ever put to film, and that alone earns him high marks.
6. Anthony Ingruber.
Telltale’s Batman games had some ups and downs, in terms of character portrayals: some takes on the characters were unique and delightful, while others were sort of underwhelming. If there’s one thing I personally think Telltale did brilliantly, though, it was the way it handled the Joker. Referred to for most of the series as “John Doe,” this game REALLY played around with the interdependence of the characters in a new and fascinating way: we don’t know where the Joker comes from, really, and if he’s ever encountered Batman or Bruce Wayne before becoming the mysterious and demented John Doe, but what matters in the games is how his relationship with the Dark Knight and his alter-ego ends up creating who he will someday be. Depending on how you play your cards (so to speak), while John Doe will inevitably become Joker, he may not necessarily become your eternal and fated nemesis. You can actually finish the game with Bruce and Joker as friends! But in most endings, the rivalry we all know and love is completely unavoidable, though even why and how that rivalry happens can be different depending on what you do. Ingruber brings this new take on the character to life brilliantly: he’s funny, twisted, and perhaps more sympathetic than any other portrayal of the nefarious supervillain ever created. It’s long been said that Batman and the Joker created each other, in some way, shape, or form: perhaps nowhere is that taken more literally than in these games.
5. John DiMaggio.
DiMaggio actually used to be one of my Top Three Jokers for a time…but after careful reflection, I don’t really think that’s true. I do love DiMaggio’s take on the Ace of Knaves, but there’s one key problem with his Joker compared to the four above him: focus. DiMaggio first played the Joker in the animated movie “Under the Red Hood,” a movie in which the Ace of Knaves is a VERY important part of the story, but he’s actually not onscreen for that long nor is he the true focal point of the conflict. Similarly, DiMaggio would play the Joker for two LEGO movies, but in both cases, once again, the Joker really wasn’t the major antagonist: he had to share screentime with SEVERAL other villains and was never the main baddy in either case. Most recently, DiMaggio appeared as the Joker in the interactive feature “Death in the Family,” and once again, while Joker is a major player in the PLOTLINE, he’s not the main source of all the problems Batman and his allies face in the tale. In other words, DiMaggio’s Joker turns all have the same issue: the Joker is an important contributor to the story each time, and he’s brilliantly depicted, but the actual stories themselves do not revolve around him solely. This doesn’t make DiMaggio’s take on the Joker any less wonderful; he brings the same theatricality and psychotic zeal to the part so many others have done, but gives the voice a rougher, sort of unsettlingly jagged edge, not usually found in other depictions. It surprisingly works well with his interpretations, in my opinion, and his Joker is often equal parts hilarious and horrifying, just as the character should be. It just doesn’t seem fair to rank him higher any more when other Jokers simply get more of a chance to shine, comparatively speaking.
4. Jack Nicholson.
Well, you can’t put this guy low and be considered a real Joker fan, some would say. For many people, Jack Nicholson remains one of the definitive takes on the Joker outside of comics, especially in live-action. Whenever people talk about who the best Joker is, he is ALWAYS among the contenders for that title. It’s easily one of Nicholson’s crowning performances as an actor, as he delivers probably one of his most quotable and acclaimed characters in cinematic history, and sinks completely into the role of the Clown Prince of Chaos. He steals the show from top to bottom (to a fault, some might argue), and the makeup and costume is as iconic as anything else. Much like Telltale, the Tim Burton movie also toys with the interdependence of the Joker and Michael Keaton’s Batman, but in a different way: in the universe of this film, it’s revealed that Jack Napier (the Joker’s true identity in the film) is the one who killed Bruce Wayne’s parents. And it’s because of an encounter with Batman later on that Napier falls into the vat of chemicals and becomes the homicidal Harlequin of Hate. It’s a vicious cycle of the truest sort, and it makes this version of the Joker particularly unique: whether you like or hate the idea (fans seem polarized about it), it serves its purpose well within the film.
3. Jeff Bennett.
While the aforementioned John DiMaggio is a Joker I’ve actually come to like less over time, Jeff Bennett is a Joker I’ve come to like more. I never understood why some people apparently DIDN’T like Bennett’s Joker from the animated show “Batman: The Brave and the Bold”: pretty much from frame one, this became one of my absolute favorites. Not only does Bennett’s take on the self-proclaimed Clown Prince of Chaos have one of my favorite designs ever - a gloriously animated version of Dick Sprang’s take on the character from the comics of the Golden and Silver ages - but his episode appearances were always great. From his two-part debut where he teams-up with Batman to take on evil versions of various DC heroes, to an entire episode from his point of view (based on a very underrated Joker comic, I should add), to him becoming Ruler of the Universe thanks to the antics of Bat-Mite, the episodes where Joker took center stage were always a treat. And even when he WASN’T center stage, such as in episodes like “Death Race to Oblivion” or “Chill of the Night,” he always seemed to steal the show whenever he popped up onscreen. While the series was lighthearted in tone, it actually didn’t stray from Joker’s more monstrous side, either, as he remained the homicidal maniac so many people nowadays identify him to be. Contrariwise, this didn’t prevent him from being a wonderfully funny interpretation of the Crazy Crime Clown, and one who I think doesn’t get enough appreciation.
2. Heath Ledger.
The amount of influence Heath Ledger has had on the popularity of the Joker can hardly be exaggerated. In Christopher Nolan’s much-acclaimed motion picture “The Dark Knight,” Ledger brought to life a newer, slightly more realistic take on the character, which held true to the key points of the villain established over the decades, and for some people, reinvigorated an interest in the character that had not been seen in years. Ledger’s take on the character is a psychopathic and mysterious anarchist, whose singular goal is to show the world what he believes is the true and natural order. That being, that deep down, human beings are a barbaric and savage race. Why, exactly, the Joker does what he does - whether it’s just for his own sick pleasure, or if he has some deeper purpose - is hard to determine. Ledger’s portrayal proved highly popular, and is one of the most lauded and impersonated portrayals ever put to the screen, and arguably one of the most chilling. He’s hardly the definitive take on the character, but he’s certainly an impressive one; every time I revisit this performance, I notice something new that makes it all the more interesting, and for that reason above all else, he has earned his spot at second place.
1. Mark Hamill.
Heath Ledger may be the greatest live-action Joker to date (at least in my humble opinion), and he was certainly a fascinating reimagining of the classic comic book baddy…but in my opinion, Mark Hamill simply IS the Joker. Alongside perhaps Ledger and Romero (the latter due to the fact he was the very first, and that can hardly be ignored), I think Hamill has been one of the most influential Jokers of all time. Whenever you ask someone to do a “Joker Voice,” it’s usually Hamill they attempt to impersonate, and nearly every actor who has played the Joker in animation since this guy has basically done some variation on his voice. Hamill has also played the Joker more times than any other actor, through all kinds of interpretations, from the more morbid and macabre to the more campy and comical, and everything in-between. And every time he plays the character - and I do mean EVERY time - it never ceases to impress and amaze. He steals the show whatever he’s in, and it’s telling that Hamill’s career as a voice actor has, in many ways, been defined by this character: he pretty much uses that “Joker Voice” for everything nowadays, and to be honest, I don’t think anybody minds that much. Bottom line, when you’ve been playing the Joker almost non-stop for THREE DECADES? You have definitely earned your stripes and the right to be heralded as the Number One Clown Prince of Crime. Case closed.
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Leverage Season 2, Episode 14, The Three Strikes Job, Audio Commentary Transcript
Dean: Hi I'm Dean Devlin, Executive Producer and Director of this episode.
John: John Rogers, Executive Producer, Writer of this episode.
Chris: Chris Downey, Executive Producer, and this is the Three Strikes Job.
John: This is the first half of the big season finale which we like to do. And we are meeting our favorite recurring character Detective Bonanno, played by our friend Mr. Blanche, right?
Dean: Yes, Robert Blanche.
Chris: Robert Blanche.
John: Fantastic find; local actor. And it was interesting because really as we had come to- first time dealing with split season, first time Sophies not around, we had to- you know, we really hunted around for the character we would be emotionally anchored to for the season finale; you don't want it to be a random vic. And- cause last year was the whole Nate arc-
Chris: Right.
John: And having- Robert having established his character made him really beloved, made it easier.
Dean: And we've never really done a pre-opening like this that's quite this violent.
John: Yes.
Chris: Yeah.
Dean: So it was a little bit out of our tool box, but yet we tried to do it in a way that it didn't seem like a completely different show.
John: This is the edited version. In the original version, a toddler wanders through the field of fire and is brutally mowed down.
[Laughter]
John: I'm glad we cut that out, that was weird.
Dean: That wasn't good.
John: Just seemed odd.
Dean: Especially when the toddler pulled out a gun and-
John: And was doing the [unintelligible] the dubs were cool though. I liked those.
[Laughter]
John: So this is Sonny at the toll booth; there's no two ways around this.
Chris: Oh, yeah.
John: How tough was this to shoot?
Dean: You know, it was actually pretty easy. We had about six cameras shooting simultaneously; we did it 3 different times and moved the camera each time. And this van you may recognize from Beantown Bailout-
John: Yes
Dean: Which also got shot up. So whenever we need to shoot up a car, that’s the car.
Chris: And did we add-? Or did we-
Dean: Now here’s the interesting thing-
John: We putty it in.
Chris: We putty it in? Oh.
Dean: The actor was not available this day to shoot. So that’s a different actor made up to look like Robert Blanche.
Chris: Oh wow, that’s great.
John: That's great. So our local Portland actor has a double? A stand in?
Dean: Has a double. [Laughs]
John: Wow, that's great. Oh, she's fantastic. And now this is- again, one of these sorts of things where we’re trying to anchor all of Nate Ford’s emotional cues. And you actually tried to shoot this identically, if I remember correctly.
Dean: That's right. We wanted to try and match the look and feel of the hospital scene from the pilot, but just skewed enough so that we know we’re someplace else.
John: Paul Blackthorne's name. And this was a lot of fun. This was a big giant episode concept.
Dean: One of the things you have to understand is- you gotta know when we do these two-part season finales, they're really shot like a movie, cause you shoot them all at the same time. And this one is, as you will see - far more ambitious than what we did in season one. Yet because it’s at the end of a very tough season where the writers actually ended earlier than normal; we only have four days to prepare to shoot this two-part season finale.
John: Yeah. We actually started prepping off outlines.
Chris: Yeah.
John: And then I think I turned in the first half? First half first? Second half-
Dean: Yeah.
John: I think I kept in order at least. And then, you know, turn them each in. And by that point, nicely enough, the Portland crew was such a well oiled machine that they knew what they wanted. Also, we had learned by this point to really try to find anchor locations.
Chris: Yeah.
John: To build and tie our acts around. So knowing that we were gonna do the baseball scam, they knew they could start processing all that was needed.
Dean: This is also the first time in season two that we brought back this recurring nightmare of him reliving the death of his son. The idea was that he had to some degree resolved it at the end of season one, but yet it’s still there just below the surface, and then suddenly kicking in to the end of season two it comes back up again.
John: And it was really the last trigger. If you’ve been watching the arc all the way through, we’ve been playing with his control issues and the fact that he's drinking again, and that feeling of helplessness has triggered him back into his addictive behavior. I mean, he’s already kind of bathing in his addictive behavior at this point in the previous episodes, but this is what really pushes him over the edge.
Chris: Yeah.
Dean: Also normally we like to have fun kick in pretty early after the opening scene, but yet this- because we're trying to set up a larger emotional arc in this two-part season finale. We have an emotional opening with Bonanno getting shot, then we have another emotional beat where he’s reminded of his son, and here another emotional beat where he’s trying to connect with Sophie and his frustration of not being able to reunite with her is bubbling. So we really actually took a long time on this before we let the fun kick in, which is not usual.
John: Because we were really gonna screw with Nate Ford in these two episodes, and you really feel like you just can't, ‘Oh, remember that stuff you should have noticed in previous episodes? That’s why he's doing this.’ We really needed to reset it.
Chris: One of the reasons that I think this plays so well is that if you watch them back to back, which I'm so glad they were broadcast that way on TNT, is that this scene here really pays off in part two.
Dean: Yeah.
Chris: And it’s- you know, it's a little ways to go if you have to wait a week between them.
John: Yeah.
Chris: But now it really plays like a movie.
Dean: And big kudos to Jeri Ryan because she had- she only had a few episodes to create an arc, and really everything she did in the previous episodes come together in these last two.
John: Yeah.
Dean: She’s really part of the team by now.
John: Yeah. And that bit where she drinks his booze in order to get it away from him was actually the first physical bit we ever pitched talking about the character. We were trying to figure out a way to differentiate between Sophie and Tara, and the idea where Sophie is a little more sensitive, a little more coddling...
Chris: More empathetic.
John: More empathetic, yeah. Tara will just basically drink you out of your own problems.
Chris: Right.
John: This was a tough day. Mainly because Tim really dug in on this.
Dean: Yeah.
John: This rage- this was a tough day. You know, he’s angry. And you can hear him-
Chris: Yeah.
John: And you can- he really- this was a small set for them to be screaming at each other on. It was really nice.
Dean: Yeah. And it really helped the other actors as you’ll see just in the way they are reacting. I mean, you see Christian is really messed up by this.
John: Yeah.
Dean: And it was a great way to-
John: Yeah cause one of his best friends in the world is sitting eight feet from him screaming at his face.
Dean: Yeah.
John: I mean, you know. And yeah, they're all really digging in on the idea that Nate Ford has gone off the rails.
Dean: But once they jump in, then the fun begins again.
Chris: Yeah.
Dean: And now we start to get into that rhythm of, ‘Ok.’
Chris: You can see his little look on his face right here is the cue for the fun on Hardison.
John: Yeah. As soon as- yeah, as soon as the sarcastic ‘these guys are goons’ face comes up.
[Laughter]
Dean: Now by the way, those goons faces on the board are actually people who work here at post production at Electric.
[Laughter]
John: So don't be alarmed if you see them at your local bank or supermarket.
Chris: And I'll call out another couple of people whose faces are on this, too, you two guys a little later.
John: Oh yeah, we’re a little later. Exactly. This was also fun because this was something we kind of picked up on if you watch the second season episodes. A little bit more of detective Nate Ford.
Chris: Yeah.
John: You know, he was a guy who hunted bad guys.
Dean: Right.
John: And we put him back in the context a couple times this season of hunting bad guys. You know, and this one in particular he figures out exactly the situation in which case they should pursue.
Chris: Yeah.
John: Good crime scene photos. Big shout out to Derek.
Chris: Gruesome, yeah.
John: Gruesome, yeah. Nice.
Dean: But because we shot this scene before we had shot the scene with Bonanno getting shot-
John: We had no footage, that’s right.
Dean: We had no footage, so we had to make up fake crime scene photos and hoped that they would somehow-
Chris: Derek had those crime scene photos pretty easily, don’t you think?
John: That was a little disturbing.
[Laughter]
John: ‘I just went out and did it in a back alley in Chicago.’ This is also fun because this is one of the few times we’ve had Hardison of all people go, ‘I don't want to do this one. This one seems like a bad idea.’
Chris: Yeah. Now look at this shot.
Dean: Now this actor here- those of you who may have seen my film Flyboys, he was one of the pilots in Flyboys. And he did me a solid and came and did this little guest spot. And this is Richard Kind, who I had not worked with since Stargate-
John: Wow.
Dean: -and has been a family friend forever, and I think one of our most underrated actors in this country.
Chris: Yeah, I mean, it's the kind of part you typically don't see him in. I mean he plays kind of a nebbish-y guy.
John: Yeah.
Chris: And boy, did he just bring a gravitas and a menace and really built a whole backstory to his character.
John: Well let's talk about it- that’s where this story comes from. We really wanted to do our city of industry, corrupt east coast port town. I grew up near Boston, you grew up in New York-
Chris: Yeah.
John: -and, you know, this is very much based around that, sort of, north of Boston, Route 1 type of town.
Dean: Right.
John: And so getting an east coast actor, just a guy who could bring you that kind of New York power family vibe made a difference. And he showed up- he loved the script, showed up with three ideas. Three lines of dialogue, in three scenes that gave this character backstory, depth, and pathos. It’s like, ‘Wow, that’s a very good actor.’
Chris: And what the fact to do is Brad Culpepper the Third. I mean that he was from a long line-
John: Yes. And he dug in on that and he found something that just made you, you know-
Dean: He also came up with this concept that he wasn’t in it for the money, he was in it for the power and the legacy.
Chris: Yeah.
Dean: Which is an interesting distinction.
John: Yeah, exactly. There is- he really dug in on the evil speech of evil. The idea that he is not a bad guy in his own head in any way shape or form. This was- what hotel was this? Was this the Governor?
Dean: This was the Governor Hotel.
John: They really did us a solid this episode, they did a fantastic job.
Dean: We ended up shooting three different episodes at the Governor, and then they were our host for the Leverage convention.
John: Oh, also the wrap party.
Chris: Which was fantastic.
John: I don't remember that much.
Chris: The Leverage convention, which was awesome.
John: I can't believe you people missed it.
[Laughter]
John: We’re gonna assume nothing horrible happens. The horrible irony of when we try to recall these DVDs.
Chris: Oh, no, please.
[Laughter]
John: Lovely little- this was a great neighborhood; they put up with us. And this was a lot of fun, whenever you can play the annoyed brother vibe between the two of them.
Dean: Oh, I could watch it all day long.
John: Yeah. This was also the night we found out we got picked up for a third season.
Dean: That’s right.
Chris: Oh yeah, that’s right.
John: This is fun, that’s Beth in the rig on the ledge. If you go to my blog, you’ll see the pictures of her doing this. It’s insane. There's just no way we should be allowing her to be on the edge.
Chris: Oh that’s great.
John: That’s city hall, by the way, in Portland. That’s city hall.
Dean: That is, that is.
Chris: They let you just jump off the roof in city hall?
John: You know what- if you're in Portland, show up, ask, and they'll let you. I'm sure there will be no repercussions to me saying that. And this is kind of fun, Paul Blackthorne as the shadowy character that you kind of touch on. And this is all based on- his character’s actually based on a guy down in Florida-
Dean: Yes.
John: -who got an arms deal with the US government, who was like a bar guy.
Chris: Yeah, he was kinda like a party kid.
John: Yeah, who somehow got a 300 million dollar contract with the US government selling recycled arms from Eastern-
Chris: Recycled arms from Eastern Europe, yeah.
John: That’s Beth on the rappelling line. Remember that? We shot that.
Dean: And I’ll tell you, this is an example of how Beth, even alone, just completely captures your imagination. She has no one else to act with here except for our AD off camera reading dialogue, and yet she's completely engaged in the story, in the character.
John: Yeah, this was a lot- this was- actually you wrote this whole chunk.
Chris: Yeah.
Dean: Oh, here's another great local guest star.
John: Yeah. And that was another thing that Portland gave us. There's a lot of great local theater guys, a lot of local great actors who can really land a joke.
Dean: Yeah, it was so surprising.
Chris: I love that he has the ice tea, it's such a great-
[Laughter]
Chris: Such a great touch.
John: I like- and also the sort of- I don't know if it’s the weird veiled hostility between Hardison and Eliot gets turned outward whenever they run one of these cons-
Dean: Right.
John: -but that guy is going to be the subject of their rage at each other. This guy was really great.
[Laughter]
Chris: And this is a crime lab bit. I mean, let’s be honest, there are eight different CSIs on; we wanted to have a little fun.
John: Yes. We were kind of making fun of the CSI- the whole idea that CSI shows up at your house. I had my house broken into, they didn’t show up.
[Laughter]
Chris: The fact that the beat cop could be-
John: Bossed around by-
Chris: Bossed around by CSI guys was born out of those shows
John: And this, by the way, the bit with the balloons, was Richard.
Dean: Great.
John: Just awkward, just trying to shift it, trying to ground it. And again, this- what amazes me when we got into the research of it, was how cheap it was to buy these guys.
Chris: Yeah.
John: I mean really- like $10,000 gets you somebody's kid in city politics.
Dean: That's true.
Chris: The promise of a job when you're out of the office. You know, I mean, that's what brought down the Illinois governor.
John: Yeah, that's right. That’s right. And that's what is kinda fun is we do- oh, I love this bit.
Dean: Comedy frame.
John: Comedy frame! What is this? A locked off comedy frame.
Dean: Exactly.
John: Locked off frame, two people come in facing each other-
Dean: And I love this little smile right there on Christian’s face .
[Laughter]
Dean: He was just enjoying the bit until he realized, ‘Oh wait, I have to perform in the bit.’
John: Is that on the X? Is that- how did you get the RED so low?
Dean: Oh we just put it right on the floor on a sandbag.
John: Oh that's good.
[Laughter]
John: Thanks to these nice folks for letting us trash their home, by the way.
Dean: Yes. And for those of you who may have noticed in the wide angles, just the little numbers on the evidence things on the floors.
John: Yes, that they’ve scattered all over the ground. Yeah no set-dec did a great job.
Dean: You can see the numbers in the background.
Chris: Oh those are great!
John: And- and earning his pay-
[Laughter]
John: Nicely done.
Chris: That’s a nice little transition there.
John: It is a nice- almost like you put some thought into this.
Dean: And I swear I didn't. And this is our line producer’s wife .
John: Yeah.
Dean: Who also did a guest star in last year’s two-part season finale.
John: Last year’s finale!
Chris: Oh, that’s right!
John: I like the idea she was on vacation in LA last year.
Dean: Exactly.
John: And now she’s back and involved in another Leverage scam. In my head it's the same person.
Dean: And this is an interesting scene for their arc, because, you know, Beth - Parker - really didn't trust Tara coming in.
John: Well she's not part of the family.
Dean: And only in this scene does she actually start to earn her trust, and they start to bond.
John: And we also wanted to reset the fact that, again, Parker is good in the short con. If you throw a surprise at her she doesn't handle it well, because talking to people doesn't even go well. Interestingly enough, she relates to people better in character than as Parker.
Chris: Yes.
John: Yeah. And so until Tara gives her- so yes, the awkward- we really pulled up every political trope we could find.
Chris: Oh, sure.
John: I think we sat down - adultery, pregnancy, corruption. Then we just went through the Times one day, just pulled up every scandal from that summer.
[Laughter]
John: And the 4-18 months. And there's actually a mayor’s conference, too.
Dean: That’s right.
John: We found out where the mayor’s conference was.
Chris: It's in Vegas. Sure that's where you would have the mayors conference, and that’s where he would meet her.
Dean: I like the little turn Parker makes here, after she’s been coached part way through it, now she gets it. So now she’s feeling comfortable doing it.
John: Now she understands, yeah.
Dean: And you can see her-
Chris: ‘Yeah, I'll just wait out there.’
John: And that is an actual office- that's a conference room at the city hall?
Dean: That sure is.
John: That we rappelled down into.
Dean: We had to use it as the mayor's office, cause the actual mayor's office was too small.
[Laughter]
John: That's right.
Chris: Oh, yeah.
John: Infamously the mayor took the smaller office in the city of Portland cause he just felt like he only needed that much work space.
Dean: That's right. Mayor Sam Adams who’s been incredibly helpful to this show, and we’re very grateful.
John: Yes. Very cool guy. I don't regret that duffle bag full of cash at all.
Chris: That is a great shot there.
John: That is a great shot. That really establishes that space.
Chris: She’s- jeez.
John: She's beautiful, yes. I was referring to the setting, but-
Chris: Sorry, I was just-
John: Yes, Jeri Ryan was very beautiful, too.
Chris: I was just lost in Jeri Ryan.
John: It happens. And this is the great speech. And again, we listened to transcripts and looked at testimony. I mean if you look at Blagojevich-
Chris: Blagojevich, sure.
John: The remarkable bluntness with which they announce their terms and prices always amazes me.
Chris: Yeah. And it almost sounds like movie dialogue, but it’s not! It’s just the way they talk!
John: Yeah.
Dean: The evil speech of evil.
John: And we come up with evil speeches of evil, and then when you go find the real ones it's like, really? You said that? With a straight face? Alright.
Chris: Yeah.
John: No, research is your friend. We really- you know, this is a remarkable static act with an awful lot going on. I never noticed that before.
Dean: Well I think- again, this is- when we separate our team into different locations, but yet having them communicate, it really gives a sense of energy to it.
John: But we only have, like, three agendas.
Dean: Right.
John: You know, running it at any one time. This was a tight little shot. I remember this. This was- we were in that back bedroom, and trying to shoot. And then you had to- you had a totally different blocking, if I remember correctly.
Dean: Yeah, instead of being in the room with him, we decided we’d squeeze him through the doorway and make him feel like he’s in an even tighter space than he was by framing it that way. But it also gives a chance to use this hallway and bring in our guest performer.
John: Yeah. And the clue that travels over two different episodes. Hopefully, again, I'm glad that they aired these back to back because it would be tricky to-
Chris: Yes it’s- to track- there's a lot of stuff that this really did play like a movie.
Dean: And once again, we got to the-
John: Oh, the big smile.
Dean: -comedy frame.
John: Yes.
[Laughter]
John: That’s for all you young filmmakers out there, that is the comedy frame. And then the look- just the look of pity on his face. Yeah.
[Laughter]
John: And the badge on the- there's no reason the CSI guys should have a badge on a shield. Chris just loves the badge on the shield- the badge on a chain.
Dean: Exactly.
Chris: He likes that.
John: He really likes that look. If he can be doing like a 1970s- if he could be doing the British version of Life on Mars, he’d be the happiest man alive.
Dean: Oh yeah.
[Laughter]
Chris: Now I got a question for you. So was- now we had a Maltese Falcon joke, just one line in-
Dean: The previous episode.
Chris: -the previous episode. Did that give you the idea for the Maltese Falcon? Who came up with the Maltese Falcon bit?
John: No, you know it was- it was literally, I was trying to figure out, ‘What's the MacGuffin? What’s the maltese falcon? You know what, it'd be actually kind of fun to just call it that.’
Chris: Just the Maltese Falcon, OK.
John: Cause it’s so famous now, it's a little meta. And, you know, the fact that it would be called something rather than a shorthand for something-
Chris: Right.
John: Cause we use that in the writers room all the time.
Chris: Yeah, we do.
John: The maltese falcon, what's the thing? Macguffin, Hitchcock famously defined it as. And this is Nate deciding to bail on the pitch and making- and this is tough. He’s basically processing offscreen dialogue and acting like he’s coming to a decision.
Dean: I love Richard’s reaction to it, it's like ‘What?’
John: We just went for the whole-
Chris: ‘You just paid all this money, you don't want to engage in graft with me?’
John: Behind though-
Dean: Even out of focus he's stealing the scene.
John: I know. He's really upstaging the hell out of- out of focus. Look how far back he is. Aaand you're back.
[Laughter]
John: And we've announced our agenda.
Chris: We've announced our agenda, we know our- and here we go.
Dean: Now this place was great, this ballpark. We wanted to shoot here all year and hadn’t really found a way to do it.
John: And that's why I give full props to Chris, is cuz I had the crime story back half of this done, and I could not figure out what the con on the mayor was. And you had fallen in love with this location you had seen- you were like-
Chris: This was great, I had gone to a game here.
John: We can finally pay off this location. And that’s- again, that's an advantage of being a city where you get to know- cause the baseball con was always a half an episode.
Chris: Right.
John: And we could never quite get it to be a whole. And then it was like, ‘Oh, we need half an episode. Boom.’
Chris: Well also there's a lot of public corruption around building ballparks, and we did a little research that minor league ballparks bring 30 million dollars into the local economy.
John: That was great. The day we did research and found out it was just a flat 30 million for almost every ballpark, it’s like, that’s just a great number.
Chris: Yup.
Dean: And by the way, I think some of the best special effects we’ve ever done are in this two-part season finale, but I don't think you'd even notice it. For instance all these shots in the ballpark, we had to erase and change all the signage-
John: Oh, that’s right.
Dean: -because we didn't have permission. And then later, we had to put in the crowds that were reacting. So there are amazing special effects in this, but they are so real you didn’t even know.
John: That’s right. Utterly seamless. If you see them, we screwed up. Yeah, and this particularly since those aren’t lockoff, the camera is moving, you know, the character is wiping in front of it, yeah.
Dean: And again, I love what David is doing in this scene, he is just channeling Smithers.
John: Yes.
[Laughter]
John: And there’s Paul Blackthorne, he’s really doing the job for us as evil European dude. He has a large black car-
Chris: Yeah.
John: He's got a halfway rolled down window. We know what his job is in the story, we know what his job is in the narrative.
[Laughter]
John: But what I love here is the fact that Richard there's just so dismissive. I mean the body language here besides- Why is this a good shot? Because you don’t have to turn around to get both of them.
Dean: Exactly.
John: He’s very casually powerful.
Dean: Right.
John: This is a man who’s used to the world running the way he wants it to run.
Chris: Right, in this little burg of Bellbridge.
John: Yes.
Dean: And this is such a terrific location, and we were there early in the morning, got this great light. I was so excited to shoot this.
Chris: And they have a nice-
John: Story shcmory. Pictures.
Chris: They have a nice rapport here, too. They have this kind of easy going, you know, banter.
Dean: You know, so much of this episode- these episodes, was wish fulfillment. We wanted to be in that ballpark all year, we wanted to get near the water under the bridges...
Chris: Yes.
John: You also- in case you're skipping through the commentaries, you’ll notice this happens in Bellbridge, Massachusetts. Bellbridge is the corrupt town in Chris’s episode, Order 23.
Chris: Yes, yeah.
John: We decided to create just one imaginary Massachusetts city we could crap on for an entire season.
Chris: Yes.
John: Just to make sure we had clearances, and we always knew-
Dean: Exactly.
John: So please, if you're from a real Bellbridge, don’t be angry.
Chris: Yeah.
John: Yeah, their rhythm here is lovely. They are partners by this point, in a very different way. And the fact that Jeri has established that over six episodes is pretty cool. How tough is it to shoot in a ballpark, my friend?
Dean: Well some of this we actually stole footage at a real- during a real game, but the rest was very easy because they were so cooperative. I mean, this is the actual locker room and they let us have it for the day, and gave us equipment and were-
Chris: And those are the- are those the uniforms?
Dean: Just terrific. Those are the actual uniforms. The ‘P’ is actually for Portland.
[Laughter]
Dean: But in our show it’s-
Chris: Palmerstown.
John: And I love the fact it's actually the Portland Beavers, because if we come up with a comedy mascot we couldn't have beat beavers.
Dean: No.
John: And by the way the Portland Beaver? Good guy.
Dean: Very good guy.
John: Very good guy. Really cool. We hung out, everything.
Chris: Oh apologies to Crash Davis here, but boy does he do- he does-
John: Oh he's so digging in.
Chris: Does a great Bull Durham.
John: Really digging up. This is- we went back and forth- are we doing Major League or Bull Durham here?
Chris: It's pretty Bull Durham here.
John: It’s pretty Bull Durham.
Chris: The journeyman catcher who shows up unannounced, it’s-
John: Yeah, and also the idea that these- you know, talking to a lot of these guys who play this level ball, the precarious nature of their lives- I mean the guys who are kind of on rota from a major league team make a lot of money.
Chris: Yeah.
John: The guys who are journeymanning this out, a lot of them have day jobs, man.
Dean: What I love about this is that Eliot himself doesn’t like baseball. Because we’ve already established what a big, giant sports fan he is.
Chris: Yeah.
Dean: About how excited he was about all the sports channels in- both season one and season two.
John: But it's hockey- and it’s always hockey and football. And interestingly, we gave him your problem with baseball.
Dean: Exactly.
Chris: Yes we did, it really worked great.
John: I love baseball and I'm like, ‘I have no idea what he wouldn't like.’ And you said, I don’t like-’ Oh.
Chris: Oh, and John did a beautiful job directing this.
John: This is my directing debut right here
[Laughter]
Chris: Mark it down folks.
John: Japanese power drink commercial. Because it really was one of those things I had in mind and it's like, ‘Alright describe it. You know what? I can't describe it, I'll just shoot this.’
Chris: I think I originally wrote it as it’s like a car- like a local car ad.
John: Yeah.
Chris: Oh my god, how great is this Japanese sports drink commercial?
John: Also, again, you're lucky to have Chris Kane because a lot of actors wouldn't do the comedy beat in the commercial.
[Laughter]
Dean: Nails it.
John: He nails it. Look at the big smile!
Dean: And he enjoys it!
John: Look at that, having a good time.
[Laughter]
Dean: But he hates baseball, and then he comes in here and the minute he cracks that bat you just see- you know, heroin to the junkie.
Chris: He really did- he gave it a real arc, you know.
John: And also, I like the fact that this is the first time he uses a baseball bat for what it's actually meant for.
Dean: Right.
[Laughter]
John: He's been beating people up with baseball bats for like 20 years, and never really hit a ball with one before. Also, by the way, cool digital ball.
Chris: Oh watch this.
Dean: Exactly.
John: There you go.
Chris: Oh that is great.
Dean: I'm telling you some of our best digital effects-
Chris: That’s fantastic.
John: Oh look at that look.
Dean: And the second one- watch the indentation on the pad on the wall when the ball hits it. Small thing for effects artists, but really lovely, just oh that little indentation.
John: Oh that’s nice, the shadow. And there we are.
Chris: Oh there you go folks, there's Dean and John.
Dean: Oh dear, oh dear.
John: We’re also doing the voices here on the radio shows. On the DVD there should be about nine takes of this scene. Because the two of them, at one point it got very weird and sexual with her speaking Spanish, and Hardison getting all ramped up.
[Laughter]
John: It- this was definitely one of the ones where you just, like, park the camera and let the two of them go.
Dean: Yeah.
John: Yeah.
[Laughter]
John: Interesting, one of the challenges of shooting the greenscreens is color temperature.
Dean: Yes.
John: We actually had a little bit of trouble with this shot because- most people don’t understand, there’s a lot of different greens that go on green screens. It was not dead right, doing the special effects goes from easy to unspeakable.
Dean: Exactly, and so this one had- a lot of work had to go into being able to see what was on the screen.
John: Ironically, a lot of this was harder to see than the incredibly complex crowds and baseball stuff.
Dean: The stands, exactly.
John: This was a lot of fun. Outside real city hall, outside Portland city hall, at a coffee shop across the street at some ungodly hour of the morning.
Dean: Yeah, this was the first thing we shot that day.
John: And again, this is- it was interesting how originally there was an entire subplot where, how they’d been lured there, how the mayor- and you don’t need it.
Chris: Yeah. This is much better.
John: Yeah.
Dean: He just sees them, he walks across the street.
Chris: Yes.
John: We even took that bit out. We originally had him see them.
Dean: I love the really, really bad heist.
[Laughter]
John: The bad lift.
Dean: Smithers stumbles into the table.
John: And Kind just drops the look there a little bit.
Chris: A little disgust right there.
Dean: Just a little squint.
[Laughter]
John: And the turnaway when it’s like, ‘Oh horrible lift.’ They don’t even have to- they both know what happened, they both know it was unspeakable.
Dean: Well, you know, amateurs to pros, you know?
John: And this was fun, these are based on real blueprints.
Chris: Yeah, real blueprints for-
Dean: This was that other shot was the beginning of the day. This was the last shot of the day, and we’d run out of time. So I had to shoot this all in one shot.
John: Oh this is a one-er!
Chris: This is a one-er, take a look at that.
Dean: This is a very hard steadicam shot. While it’s not that impressive of a shot, it's a very difficult shot.
John: And also-
Dean: Cause you’re doing all the coverage with one camera.
John: And you're banging focus like crazy.
Chris: You’re getting a lot of information, right.
John: And also the actors can’t mess up.
Dean: That’s right.
John: At no point can they stop, can they drop a line, can they, you know.
Dean: The only thing we did is one little reverse at the very end on David’s character. But as you can see all of this-
John: To give you a cut, or?
Dean: Just to give us a cut in case we needed to combine.
Chris: It’s interesting how great these end of day one-ers come out.
Dean: Yeah.
Chris: And they're born of necessity.
Dean: That’s what so interesting about television is, you know, it really forces you to be creative.
John: Yeah. Oh there you go, I see what you did.
Chris: Oh here's the ballpark.
Dean: Now this is a mixture of stuff that we staged and stuff that we stole during an actual ballgame. But all the-
Chris: The actual ballgame you shot before, I think, the script was written.
John: I think I sent the outline saying we would be at the ballpark. And so Dean had to come up with a shot list based on basically our friendship-
Chris: This is great.
John: -figuring out what I would probably put in the script.
Dean: These are all real things there.
John: Yeah.
Dean: That we shot. Now all the crowds, though, we added digitally.
John: Yeah.
Chris: Oh that’s great.
Dean: So in all these wide shots when you see these full crowds, they had about- there was a scattered amount of people. In all the shots where it’s full, that’s us.
John: Yeah.
Chris: That’s great.
Dean: For all these shots here. And of course all the signage is changed digitally.
John: And Kane went down, caught a couple pitches, and actually on the shot we have him hit, he actually connected, put it on the warning track. It was a good day for Chris Kane.
Chris: That’s a beautiful shot, too, there; love that.
John: That's a beautiful one, yeah.
Dean: And this actor is actually a state senator.
[Laughter]
Dean: Who had helped pass the legislation for us to-
John: I actually think we’re the bad guys at this point. Seriously, we’re doing an episode about graft and corruption and-
Dean: Well the hilarious thing is, he wanted to play the corrupt mayor.
John: I know. And we were like ‘You know dude, that's probably not the best idea for you to play the corrupt mayor.’
Chris: I can see the campaign commercials.
Dean: All those crowds, digital.
Chris: Wow, that’s great.
Dean: I mean that's really something.
John: And look at that, through a moving shot.
Dean: And then all the signage behind them is changed as well.
John: And that’s our-
Dean: And if you notice, that’s Hardison’s orange drink on the sign.
Chris: Oh that’s great.
John: Oh my god, that's right.
Chris: And to do with- with a moving camera is very difficult.
Dean: Very difficult.
John: And this is a conference on the mound from both Major League and Bull Durham.
Dean: And the pitcher is actually our second AD.
John: Kyle, yeah.
Dean: Yeah.
John: That's right, you give him a nice hero shot here, too.
Chris: Oh, that's a great shot of Kyle.
John: I also love- This helps lock in the arc where he’s like, ‘I'm now fully committed to winning baseball as much as I am to winning fights.’
Dean: Exactly.
John: No this was a lot of- and this is a lot of fun. This was- it's amazing what you can do with implication.
Dean: Right.
John: You know, just put two people in the same geography and let the characters draw their own conclusions.
Chris: Yeah, let them do the math.
John: A lot of time you'll try to oversell the con, and what you have to remember is people create narrative about the world around them, you know?
Dean: Oh and I love this bit.
John: Yeah this is a lot of fun, the stuntie really took a hit. And down!
Chris: Oh, oh, oh!
[Laughter]
John: I love he does kind of the -
Dean: Notice that the ref is cross eyed; he's a real ref!
[Laughter]
Dean: That is not something that- I didn't ask him to act cross eyed.
John: I love this- that dude is dead. That dude is dead. He’s plainly just- he's not getting up. Right now they're asking people to leave the park quietly.
Chris: I think he did that in one or two takes, I mean, he just got it.
Dean: Yeah.
John: He just- it was a beautiful fall.
Dean: By the way, this is another one-er and this is a very difficult scene to light for television where you don't have that much time. And our DP was really creative in the way he made the sun blazing through the back to light up pretty much the entire set.
John: Yeah.
Chris: Now was it easier because you're working with the RED camera for something like this? Available light...
Dean: The RED helps, but at the end of the day it’s about your DP and your gaffer, and we really have, really, two of the best guys in the business.
John: And again, this is also- so much help to be able to do the research on this. Where it’s like, ‘Well, how could he possibly communicate in code how much money-?’ No, he would write it down and give it to him.
Dean: Right.
John: That's what they do, apparently, I had no idea.
[Laughter]
Dean: Right.
Chris: Yeah.
John: Or they'll just say it, unaware. And this yeah, this was a lot of fun, because also- Richard really found the idea that he was supposed to help Nate feel overconfident.
Dean: Right.
John: You know, he's supposed to play into it a little easy. And he's- now he's totally into it.
Dean: I love how cross eyed the ref is, that's so great. I mean, the umpire, that's just so great.
John: Boom! That was a good solid hit. That's- Chris Kane put it on the warning track ladies and gentlemen.
Dean: And if you listen carefully in the background, you can hear the crowd chanting ‘Roy, Roy.’
[Laughter]
John: Oh he's become a hometown hero in roughly two weeks. What's the next shot up? Oh there we go, back at McRorys.
Chris: Now- now we're back.
John: Now this is one of our lovely roundy- and oh, this is great. One of our roundy-rounds where we just basically- script kids, when you want to communicate pipe and reset, the way to do it is have somebody not give a crap about the pipe that you're talking about.
[Laughter]
John: He has his own agenda, it makes it instantly amusing.
Chris: Somebody comes in irritated.
Dean: And boy did he knock this out of the park.
Chris: Yeah, yeah.
Dean: Kane, who didn’t care- I mean Eliot, who didn't care about baseball at all, is so proud of himself and he's so mad they didn't share his moment of glory.
John: His joy. They named a sandwich after him. Also, that’s a nice beat that they all chose. It’s like, you know, alright, you gotta give it up. That's a nice moment; boom, boom, and the fistbump.
Chris: You got a sandwich named after him.
Dean: Eliot has a hoage? No a reuben.
[Laughter]
John: I also like- I had not noticed before because I was kind of- Nate’s taking a phone call and I was watching it for that beat, the, sort of, fun that Jeri Ryan’s playing there, it's like, ‘OK, I'm part of the family now, this is genuinely amusing.’
Dean: Now this is a fun reveal shot.
John: One of the cross cuts that I gave you again as your birthday gift. Moving in opposite directions?
Dean: Moving in opposite directions so that they are always looking at each other screen direction wise.
Chris: Right, right.
John: Cause we know awful things happen when you cross the lines.
Dean: If you cross the line, cities fall.
[Laughter]
Chris: No, but I mean, when you do phone calls that's an important thing to do.
Dean: For me I think so. I’m old school.
John: What I love is the fact that he starts the incredibly confident powerful guy that we know. And by the end of this swing around, Richard lets himself just kind of look- just
Dean: Now he's-
Chris: Nice reveal there.
John: Yeah, and nice reveal on that blown out window. And now he's just a pawn, he's just a broken little man, you know. And that's very- the last shot is plainly Nixon.
[Laughter]
John: It’s plainly like- what's that famous shot of Nixon at 2am in the oval office?
Dean: Right.
John: It’s that look at him. And he did all that in one take, conveying pipe to Nate.
Dean: And now we switch to our handheld, because our guys are in trouble. And I love how much Nate is overcompensating. Whenever Nate’s overcompensating, you know something has gone horribly, horribly wrong.
John: And his addiction is taking over. Be it booze or control.
Dean: And in this case, both.
John: Yes. He's not really got his head on in this particular case. Yeah, everyone's arguing with him, everyone- and this is another great thing, when Nate spins out you don’t ever have a problem with the plot, because the problem with the plot is the point of the plot.
Chris: Right.
John: Like with, ‘That doesn't make sense. That doesn't make sense.’ Exactly! Tell that to Nate!
Chris: Yeah.
John: It's important for him to know.
Dean: Our editor did- Brian Gonosey, did a very interesting choice here from cutting from Nate to Nate. Which we almost never do, and it gives it, kind of, strange, nervous energy.
Chris: Well you're kinda-
John: It's claustrophobic.
Chris: You get the sense of people's eyes on him.
Jon: Right.
Chris: A lot of people looking at him.
Dean: But it’s not- again, that kind of cut we don't normally do on the show, and it really makes this a nervous scene.
John: Yeah, you’re going-
Dean: Nate to Nate to Nate to Nate.
John: Yeah, cause you're hopping- Jeri to Parker, you're seeing him plead his case. Jeri to Beth, Jeri to Beth, you know, you're seeing him through their eyes. And then back to the reactions where they know, yeah.
Dean: Something’s wrong.
John: And each one of them is making a very specific decision at that point.
Dean: Again, this port- these guys were so great to let us shoot there.
John: Oh man.
Dean: Gave us such wonderful access.
John: That’s the real port, that's not stock, baby, that’s-
Dean: That’s right, that’s the real deal.
John: And- and a lot of fun doing the TSA stuff, doing the Homeland Security stuff. The research on this was as horrifying as you'd imagine. Most of this is security theater, your ports are not secure, sleep tight America.
Dean: And this actor was also discovered in that same improv group that we found the actor from the doctor episode.
Chris: Oh that’s interesting.
Dean: The Order 23.
Chris: John, you made a good point about how Order 23 pays off. A question about Order 23, about security at the courthouse.
John: Yes, in Order 23 there's a beat like ‘How do they get the gun in there?’ And it’s because the courthouse has not been refurbished, because the budget on the town-
Dean: Right.
John: The city is so poor. And that's also why he felt confident hiding the money there.
Chris: Right, right.
John: That pays off here in the- you find out the reason there's no money for the city is the mayor has grifted it all.
Dean: Right.
Chris: All the security money that he got, federal anti-terrorism money went into his own pocket.
Dean: And I love how Eliot is now playing a celebrity.
[Laughter]
Dean: And he's so proud that he's a celebrity.
John: And we also flipped roles for once, cause Hardison is usually not the one who’s annoyed, it’s-
Dean: Right.
Chris: Yeah, no it's true, he is.
John: It's really he’s- and it’s really both, ‘Get back on the job,’ and, ‘I'm not the center of attention.’
Chris: Yes.
Dean: These two are magical together.
John: Yeah, that's a great- this is a great noir set up.
Dean: Yeah, even with the black car in the distance, which is a bit of red herring.
Chris: Look at this shot, I mean this is a movie shot.
John: Beautiful. Now how do we- was this at night? Or were we during the day here on this?
Dean: This was at the end of the day, so we actually spilled into night and had to light it to keep it looking like this. And that's an actual oil tanker that they allowed us to shoot at.
John: Yeah.
Chris: Wow.
John: And then that- this walkway is actually exactly where we just located it. It's directly below the docks. And it really was- a lot of the fun was walking around the location going, ‘OK, this scene can happen here, this scene can happen here.’ And we didn't get too poisoned shooting in this warehouse. We all had funny coughs for about a week, but we were OK.
Dean: They warned us about spiders and raccoons under this-
John: Yeah.
Dean: So we were looking for eight-legged raccoons at some point.
John: At some point we were very worried there would be a horrible combination.
Chris: Oh really? Wow, I missed this part.
John: Well you weren't up here for shooting at the oil tanker, getting poisoned by fumes.
Chris: Yeah, yeah. I looked at the schedule and went, ‘What’s the day you hang out in the baseball park?’
John: I noticed that. You came for the baseball park-
Chris: ‘Oh, I’ll come for that.’
John: You really didn't hang out with us in the oil tanker hold. Yeah, black lung kicking in.
[Laughter]
John: This is a great cross cutting by Brian, this kind of- what he's doing is he's finding some- finding an odd rhythm here. It's not danger, it's unease.
Dean: Right.
John: You know, every shot is a little too short, it's a little too- yeah. And again, sort of end of day shooting, everything in the warehouse from the moment they walk in- like they get to the oil barrel, through the end of the episode pretty much, you did in a one-er.
Dean: Yup.
John: One direction one way, one direction the other.
Dean: Your easy bake oven reference is awesome. I don't know how many people under the age of 40 are gonna get it, but god I love that reference.
John: Who under 40 watches television anyway?
Chris: I appreciate it so much. Made me laugh so hard.
John: They've still got those. I got one for my niece.
Chris: With the one little bulb that actually makes the cake.
John: Who knew? I love, Parker is constantly finding crates full of guns.
[Laughter]
John: I'm fairly sure she could open a gift with purchase from Neiman Marcus and it would have guns in it.
Chris: And by the way, kudos to you to find- when we put this thing together, to find the transition between corrupt mayor and arms deal in the docks. I mean, the thing was built around certain setpieces.
John: Yeah. And also it sort of made sense these- when you research, the amount of legal arms dealing that goes on in the states is magnificent.
Chris: Right, right.
John: And when you find out these guys run these things out of Boston, New York, Miami, you know.
Chris: Right.
John: It's got to be somewhere.
Dean: And this is one of the rare times where our team is really losing at the end of an episode.
John: Oh yeah, they’ve got to lose. They really- they have- and this was interesting, because it really was one of those times where we sat back and said, ‘In what version of this show are our guys the bad guys that get caught?’
Dean: Right.
John: Just write this section of this show like that show. Like we're writing NCIS or we’re writing CSI or something. And really put our guys in the dead seat. And man he just radiates rage.
Chris: Yeah.
John: And it's not just because Richard Kind is a bad guy, it's because he's lost control.
Chris: Yeah.
John: You know, that is Nate Ford in a world he doesn't want to live in.
Dean: Now we got them in this impossible situation, and- but we can’t end the show without a little bit of fun.
John: Yeah.
Dean: And the win within the loss here is, I think, is truly inspired.
John: Oh yeah, managing to get them out of there.
Dean: Yeah.
John: That was a lot of fun. I can't remember where the idea from- the idea of the multiple exits came from. We were playing around in another episode with ambiguity, somebody- signal of, like, time and ambiguity, and that held over, because you use all the parts of the animal, and that hung out and that's of course-
Chris: That's Katie O’Grady.
John: Katie O’Grady.
Chris: She’s a terrific Portland actress. She runs an acting school up there.
John: Yup, yup. And she really came in as kind of one off, and it’s- after two episodes it’s like, ‘Yeah, I could see this character coming back. I could see this fed,’ you know. A lot of Portland actors did that. A lot of Portland actors turned one day into a recurring role.
Dean: Yeah.
John: The- and just barely buying him enough time. And that's the important thing here, is that each character is finding a little piece of the solution. That was the fun of this episode is, there's a famous fighter pilot saying which is, ‘Stay alive for the next 10 seconds.’ That's all you have to do. In the next 10 seconds, your wingman will get the guy, or the guy will get out of position, and that's all they are trying to do for this section of this script.
Chris: Yeah.
Dean: Thers a great turn here where he reveals that he was somehow part of this attempted assassination of one of the family- the extended family.
John: Yeah.
Dean: And the rage that comes out of Nate is everything that’s built up over the entire year.
John: And what's really interesting is, because you shot this all in one piece- this is not split up into takes, this built in real time.
Dean: That's right.
John: You know, this really builds from that confession- and I was out of position the first time he did the wrench, and I was like ‘What the hell just happened? Did Tim just crush Richard Kind’s head?’
Chris: It's his friend! They're friends!
[Laughter]
John: Yeah, they're friends, but the wrench wasn't in the script. Tim just picked up the wrench!
Dean: Right.
Chris: He just picked up a wrench. And we were like, ‘Is that a rubber prop wrench?’
Dean: I love her character is like, ‘Then just kill him.’ I mean, she has no moral position on this, she just wants to get out alive.
John: Yeah, this- like we were talking the other day, where Sophie still exchanges Christmas cards with people she's ripped off, Tara Cole has walked out of a lot of burning buildings with metal suitcases full of bloodstained cash.
Dean: And never looked back.
John: And never looked back. And in that moment she is absolutely serious. If you're gonna kill this guy, get it done. You know, but she’s not gonna coddle him.
Dean: Now this may be one of my favorite bits that you guys have ever come up with, and it starts with a great turn.
John: It’s like- you know why? Cause it’s a locked off comedy frame, my friend.
Chris: That is.
Dean: Locked off comedy frame. But it's one of the oldest gags in television.
John: It is.
Dean: Is that slow turn look.
Chris: The turn look.
John: And then the turn reveal, and this-
Chris: ‘Oh no. Oh no, you're not gonna do it. Oh no, no way, Jose.’
[Laughter]
Dean: And once again, Aldis Hodge showing why he is a truly, truly special talent. This part is not written.
John: No.
Dean: This part is just him going-
John: The printed page ends with, ‘They turn and look at the van.’
Dean: Right.
Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
John: Yes and-
Dean: All of this is him being brilliant.
John: And that means also that Beth and Chris had to find the timing to when they were both gonna turn.
Dean: Right.
John: And that's the thing is, they work together a lot, now they've got a lot of, sort of, physical cues from each other. But yeah, this is all him, this is all him going off. And this is born of 207 when we shot him and Will Wheaton versus each other; they spent the whole day in the van alternating. And so Aldis was making a joke about the fact he has a very weird relationship with that van, cause he's in it and nobody else is.
Dean: And he even brought back in the fact that everyone teases him that the van smells.
John: Yes, exactly.
Chris: That the van smells, we made that a recurring thing.
John: So that's become a recurring thing and it was really- it was really the actors discussion of his character that led to the bit.
Dean: Now a lot of people may miss this-
John: Oh this is my favorite bit-
Dean: -but just watch Parker when the doors shut.
John: Yup.
Dean: Because Parker is so close to Aldis she gives a kiss goodbye and leaves the little lip print.
[Laughter]
John: I never noticed that before.
Chris: Oh she did, she leaves the lip print, that’s great.
John: Not in the script.
Dean: One of my favorite camera moves right here. ‘Aaaaand, let’s begin.’
[Laughter]
John: There is- definitely been working together long enough now that we know- and now that jazz music is in the background, we’re up and running.
Chris: There you go.
Dean: It all kicks in. And again, how Richard was able to now change from that dark to humorous. Literally turning on a dime.
John: And this is him-
Chris: Oh there's so many speeches he made saying goodbye.
John: This is him doing the- that is Kirk saying goodbye to Spock.
[Laughter]
John: By the way, from the Wrath of Kahn, that is the speech he's doing right there.
Dean: And we- my favorite digital effect.
John: No van, no van there.
Dean: All painted.
Chris: Oh that’s great.
John: ‘I’ll miss you.’ No and that was- but of course, again, you were blowing stuff up at a dock.
[Laughter]
John: Without any real permission or notifying the authorities. It’s really I think I'd be disappointed now if you called ahead.
Dean: That’s right.
John: And this is the reveal, and this was really tricky, trying to figure out the timeframe, how they could get around, how quickly they get around.
Dean: So we had to use the bomb as the time signature.
John: Yeah.
Chris: Right.
John: Because the- when we got there originally, this was structured slightly differently, but the exits in the physical locations didn't match. But that’s why TV is great, you have a writer on set-
Dean: Exactly.
John: So you can actually have the director walk around with you and go, ‘This isn't gonna work.’ ‘Sure it will.’ ‘No it won't, fix it.’
[Laughter]
Chris: Well I think originally the thing went inside the-
John: Yes, yeah. And we couldn't do that, and you couldn't see the blow, and then you had to blow all three doors simultaneously if you did it, and it would've been madness. And Katie's look of rage there is magnificent.
Chris: That’s great, as the car goes by.
John: It really- ‘I am an angry, angry fed.’ And this is also one of the times when we don’t let Nate off the hook.
Dean: Right.
John: You know and Aldis is genuinely- yeah.
Chris: Yeah, he managed to transition from the fun of saying goodbye to the van, to actual rage.
Dean: Genuinely pissed off. And now another bit of John Rogers directing on this episode is the car getting away.
Chris: Nice!
John: The car- yeah, this is-
Dean: Right here, here we go and then look at this nice power slide.
Chris: Oh, good job.
John: I caught the reflection in the side of the car that was suction cup bounce and they actually hold on. You didn't give me the wet down one.
Dean: And this is my favorite reveal of a character ever.
John: I have no idea how you did this! Did you lower him by rope? How does he get in the shot?
[Laughter]
Chris: Well he comes in-
John: And we’re coming around, this is all a one-er and… he… is… there.
[Laughter]
John: He just- it is one of those things where, much like-
Chris: How would he fit inside?
Dean: [Mimicking Mark Sheppard] There's no one else that can make an entrance-
John: Quite like Mark Sheppard.
Dean: -like Mark Sheppard.
[Laughter]
John: And by the way, we decided to make him- because we were cooking up a threat, and- we’ll actually continue talking about this in the next episode...
Chris: In the next episode.
Dean: Please stay tuned for the second part of this.
Chris: Stay tuned.
Dean: But this was a lot of fun, and thank you for listening to the first half. Stay tuned for part two.
#Leverage#Leverage TNT#Leverage Audio Commentary Transcripts#Audio Commentary#Transcripts#Parker#Alec Hardison#Elliot Spencer#Nate Ford#Sophie Deveraux#Season 2#Episode 14#Season 2 Episode 14#The Three Strikes Job
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A Very Darren Crissmas... my full review
So I have listened to the entire album four times now, and yes that includes the song I swore I'd skip. I recognized some songs, others I had to look up for the composers, and I think I am ready to make a full assessment, track-by-track. Note, I haven't received my CD yet and there may be liner notes that can give me further insight, but for now this is just me and the audio. Without further ado...
1. Happy Holidays/The Holiday Season I mean, I've already listened to this one plenty because this was the first single and the one we got with the pre-order. It's a great classic bop, a Michael Buble, big band jazz number, that would fit comfortably in the background of a luxury car ad featuring a sedan with a giant red bow in a snowy driveway. Great way to open the album, yet doesn't really prepare you for what's next. Which considering the self-professed genre-phile Darren is...it fits.
2. I Want a Hippopotamus for Christmas I don't quite know how to describe this one, just that I really, really dig it? It's got sort a groove to it, an alternative indie swag, that makes it sound way different than the traditional kids version.
3. (Everybody's Waiting for) The Man With the Bag The version I'm mainly familiar with is by Kay Starr, from a compilation of Christmas jazz songs I got from Pier One about 20-25 years ago (fun fact, that album gave me my first version of "Baby It's Cold Outside" from Dean Martin). I encourage you to give it a listen. I really enjoyed this cover from Darren and I do love to hear Adam Lambert's jazz voice, which he doesn't utilize often. I still don't like spoken word intros...they just always sound fake and cringey to me...and this is not one that surpasses the Kay Starr version, but I still really like it. Love it when Darren can riff off someone!
4. St. Patrick's Day When I saw this on the track listing, I blanked out... "huh?" Well, Darren is half-Irish after all. It totally slipped my mind that this was a John Mayer song, much less off his Room for Squares album, one of my favorites. But yeah, it's been a while since I've listened and I think the pandemic has done a number on all our memories. When I heard the opening chords it smacked me upside the head and I went "SHUT! UP!" And then the song went on and to quote Angelica Schuyler, I realized three fundamental truths at the exact same time: 1) in spite of the title this really is a Christmas song, in the same vein that Die Hard is a Christmas movie, 2) Nashville has the finest session musicians in all the land, and 3) I need Darren to cover all of John Mayer's songs.
5. River So, after the wonder and amazement of the previous track, I see that "River" is next, and we all know the original Joni Mitchell version, the Sarah McLachlan version (which was my introduction to the song, courtesy of an ER episode), and of course for us Gleeks, the Rachel Berry version. So when I say that my response to the opening horns and chimes out of a Ronnie Spector number was a combo of the memes of "blonde woman staring into space confusedly as mathematical equations float around her head" and "angry Karen ripping down her curtains," not to mention I was DRIVING at the time, I'm sure there were many concerned drivers wondering why this woman was screaming WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS? and afraid I would skid off the road. "River" is full of heartache, and melancholy, and loss, and you turned it into a 60's mod bop? I sat there, trying to keep the car on the road, thinking it has to, HAS to get better. I was sitting through it like the 15 minutes you have to wait after a Covid shot, like driving past where a skunk was run over, like holding your breath after someone farts on the elevator. And it ended with a weird Warblers-does-the-Beach-Boys finish.
This makes it sound like the worst thing ever. Well, it's not. Not like Will Schuester leading a bunch of teenagers singing "Blurred Lines." But I've listened to it each time since, knowing what's coming, approaching it in a different light. But honestly? It still doesn't really work for me. I can ignore the lyrics, but even then, the melancholy I spoke of is right there in the melody and the key. I won't skip it, but I'll turn it down and engage in family conversation more when this track is on.
6. Welcome Home I did not recognize this song when I first heard it, and it took me a while to research it, but I see it has special significance to Darren! "Welcome Home" is from the 1954 Broadway musical Fanny, which in 1997 was produced by 42nd Street Moon in San Francisco and was his first professional role. The song has about as much to do with Christmas as "My Favorite Things," but since a recurring theme around the holidays is one of homecoming and reunion, the song actually fits. I was wondering why he was singing to the floor and the lamp and the chair, but I'm guessing it makes more sense in the musical.
7. All Those Christmas Cliches Another song that's new to me, maybe not to you, but I can relate. As he points out, he's spent Christmas in a lot of unconventional locations, but sometimes craves the conventional, Hallmark-card traditions. I've lived in the South all my life. I think I have literally had TWO white Christmases in all my life, and in both cases most of the snow had melted off by the afternoon.The last several years, thanks to climate change, has been short sleeve and flip flop weather, but even before that, we sang songs containing snow with more than a hint of irony. And to be honest it goes past that. Ever had a Christmas where your family decides "hey, let's do gumbo instead! Or spaghetti!" and all you want is turkey and stuffing and cranberry sauce and fruitcake? Okay, I've gone on a tangent... back to the song, which is swinging and fun and everything you want in a Christmas song AND season.
8. The Christmas Song This was the song I was really excited about. It's one of my two all time favorite Christmas songs, and the Nat King Cole version is a classic (adding this other video because the animation is cute and made me cry). I do have a warm spot in my heart for Kris Allen's cover and the Vince Guaraldi Trio version from A Charlie Brown Christmas. But after the debacle of "River," was Darren about to disappoint me again? Very happily and relievedly, he did not. This version is gorgeous, the guitar is warm, the strings as they come in feel like an embrace, the vocals are lovely. This is sitting by the fire with warm cider and snuggled with the person you love, and is now in my top three (sorry, Kris).
9. Somewhere In My Memory Okay, confession time. I don't think I've ever seen Home Alone all the way through. I know, it was the biggest movie that year but to be fair, I've still never seen Titanic and only just saw The Princess Bride two years ago. Yet as this song played I sat there thinking "this is totally from a movie, probably a 90s movie," and I was right. The incomparable King of Movie Scores, John Williams composed this, and I'm betting Darren and guest vocalist Evan Rachel Wood, as middle Millennials, were heavily influenced by Home Alone as a childhood movie the way us Gen Xers hold Rankin-Bass specials in our hearts. Their voices are sweet and lovely and blend nicely together. While I don't have the same emotional connection to the film or the song, you can hear the connection they have. Somewhere in their memories, I'm guessing *wink*.
10. Drunk On Christmas I know Darren can sing country because I've heard him cover Tim McGraw. And I will forever be sour that Glee didn't do more country in general (oh the Blam duets we could have had with a little twang to them). I absolutely LOVE this song! Darren wrote a great one that could easily have been on country radio (in my DJing days, before 9/11 ushered in the awful jingoist "bro country" era). Who knows, it could still be on the playlist when the radio stations switch over to holiday playlists after Thanksgiving. Now the one thing some may complain about is that he's not truly front and center on the song. That honor goes to Lainey Wilson (I'm a terrible country music fan because I'm not familiar with her work). But she's just awesome and she and Darren's chemistry is as sweet as hot cocoa spiked with schnapps. I will definitely be playing this alongside Dolly Parton's "Hard Candy Christmas," Willie Nelson's "Pretty Paper," and Robert Earl Keen's "Merry Christmas From the Family" this season.
11. Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas This was the other one I was excited about, just not quite as much as "The Christmas Song" only because we've heard him do a little of this song, albeit as Blaine. This is my other favorite Christmas song. My favorite version is from Chrissie Hynde and The Pretenders, with an honorable mention to John Denver and the Muppets. I'm adding Darren's version to the pantheon. This is simple, classic, just him and the guitar. It's all the song really needs. And thank you Darren for keeping "we'll have to muddle through somehow," from when Judy Garland sung it in Meet Me in St. Louis, because the whole point of the song is the hope that it will be merry, even through hard circumstances (see: my review of "New Year").
12. New Year Another song I was unfamiliar with, written by Regina Spektor, I'll cut to it... this made me cry. I don't think this was the reason he covered it, but I couldn't help but think of his mom, and how last year was the first without her husband, Darren and Chuck's dad. The second time I heard it I was in the car with my Mom, after visiting Dad at the skilled nursing unit, wondering if he'll be home for the holidays or ever again. I tried to keep the tears back for her. The third I was driving back to my house, and thinking of all the needless loss over the last two years, how many people's new years will be like that. Trying to think of the good things brought to us and not the things and people taken away. Even when you hear of the roar across the island from Times Square, you also think of the bells, pots and pans that would ring out as tributes to the medical personnel and essential workers at the start of the pandemic. "She sets her alarm" could easily be a doc or nurse, not wanting to miss the NYE countdown but also exhausted from another shift. Every year feels worse, and yet we go into every new one hoping it will be better. The eternal foolish optimist in all of us. I can't imagine a better way for Darren to close out a holiday album released in 2021.
Overall This is a solid holiday album, one that as Darren described is very him, and while yes I pray for the day we get a full album of all his own music not tied to a holiday, this at least has some tracks that span the year, and I look forward to having this in my regular rotation along with my Christmas music from John Denver and the Muppets, Charlie Brown, Emmitt Otter, Glee, A Very Special Christmas, and others.
#darren criss#a very darren crissmas#album review#christmas music#holiday music#added a BUNCH of links#figured I'd share OGs and favorite covers
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Do It For the Band, Part Six (fic)
Fandom: Bleach
Pairing: IchiRuki
Summary: When Tatsuki said she wanted their sophomore album to be the next Rumours, this is NOT what she meant. Band AU. Read Part One, Two, Three, Four, and Five.
Tatsuki never thought she’d live to see the day that she has to drag herself to jam with her friends.
Sure, she’s been pretty hung over on some of her work days; but she was always, always able to pull herself out of bed, pop a couple of Tylenol and be on her way to make a racket. It made no sense how she could still be giddy to beat some loud drums when she had a throbbing headache - but.
She loved it. She loved her band.
She still does… But she hates Ichigo right now.
Ichigo, who’s being a real insensitive dick. Ichigo, who went on a date with Orihime, aka her-best-friend-aka-longtime-love-of-her-life-maybe-who-knows-she-never-got-a-chance-to-find-out-cuz-of-her-dickwad-friend.
Ichigo, who is doing this as some stupid fucking vendetta against Rukia, or to forget her, or whatever the fact is being a dumbass and everyone is having to pay for it.
Needless to say: she’s worked herself up to a pretty furious state by the time she rages to practice.
She stomps over to Chad’s garage, viciously lifting the the heavy door while simultaneously (unreasonably) half expecting to be faced with the sight of Ichigo and Orihime making out -
When her eyes adjust to see into the garage, there’s none of that (thank God). They’re not even next to each other. Instead, she’s met with a very different sight.
Ichigo’s stewing in the corner, hands stuffed in his pocket and visibly grinding his teeth. Chad is sitting quietly next to him but definitely trying to blend himself into the shadows more than usual. Orihime is looking down at her hands across the room, silent and stiff.
And Rukia is plugging her phone into their speaker jack rather manically.
“Ah, good afternoon Tatsuki!” Rukia greets the drummer with a too-large, sparkling smile that she recognizes as Rukia’s favorite mask to put on when she’s pissed. The vocalist has noticeable bags under her eyes from… Lack of sleep? Crying? Who knows. Her heart cracks for her.
The pity doesn’t last long when Rukia continues, sickly-sweet. “Since Ichigo was so kind to tell us we should start working on new stuff - “
“Woah woah woah, I didn’t tell you - ”
“My mistake!” Rukia sends Ichigo a somehow-withering smile that could kill. “You’re so right, we all agreed. In any case, I decided to start sooner rather than later. I recorded a quick version by myself last night at - oh, I don’t know, two A.M. - and sent it to Urahara by five.”
Ichigo’s foot starts tapping as he leans forward, arms crossed. “You sent something to Urahara without showing us first?”
“He said he liked it, but to get it passed through you guys. Of course I agreed, so… Here we are.” Rukia’s not looking at him any further, instead sending a hard glance to Tatsuki.
The drummer knows it’s not really directed at her - more like a woman’s communication-without-words kind of thing - but she finds herself gulping anyway.
--
Here we are indeed.
Oh you got stars in your eyes, baby
If you think this will work
I won’t follow your galaxies
Won’t fall for that fucking smirk.
When will you realize the stars were never yours?
Never at any time, never at any time.
The song has turned to pure obliteration by the end. Rukia’s voice intentionally fades out at the finish, but not without absolute raw emotion, pure fury that leaves goosebumps on Tatsuki’s skin.
Rukia stands in the middle of the garage, hands on her hips, looking proud and dangerous and fiery as she stares straight back at Ichigo’s stone-faced glare.
Good for her, Tatsuki thinks before remembering: wait. She shouldn’t be rooting for this.
This is the beginning of a war.
As if on cue, Ichigo clears his throat, raising his chin to match Rukia’s arrogance.
“Great work, Kuchiki. Way better than anything you’ve done so far, I’d say.”
Rukia’s nostrils flare. “Is that a comment on my previous work?”
“Not at all. Just… Inspires me to step up my game. In fact…” Ichigo stands up, dusting off his pants. “Is it cool with you all if I cut out early? Think I have some writing to do too, alone.”
“Absolutely not, Ichigo.” Tatsuki is shaken out of watching the trainwreck that’s her life. “Chad, Orihime and I did not come here for you to cut out without even practicing - “
“No, I think it’s fine, Tatsuki.” Rukia’s eyes glint with a challenge. “We can practice… Without Ichigo.”
An excruciating silence follows. Tatsuki can practically hear Ichigo’s teeth crack beneath his grinding.
“... I can wait to write.” He roughly grabs his guitar, quickly getting to work on tuning it. “Teamwork is important. We’re nakama, after all.”
Something about the pointed word visibly causes the keyboardist to flush, but she starts to unplug her phone from the speaker jack anyway.
The next hour of practice may just be the most painful hour in Tatsuki’s life.
--
She thought she might have an idea of what happened between Ichigo and Rukia from Rukia’s song Celestial Lies - okay, so Ichigo broke a promise? - but seeing what kind of songs follow after that practice from both of them leaves it all… A little muddled.
The next day, Ichigo sends the group chat audio of a break up song.
Eyes softly gazed
Heart breaking stare
Who knew you’d crush me
Lying is your best jewelry you wear.
Everyone hits a wary thumbs up reaction except Rukia, who hours later only replies: Did Urahara approve of this one?
Yes. Ichigo sends back at a neck-breaking speed…
Followed by a :).
A few days later, Rukia sends another audio.
It only took you ten days to realize
I wasn’t good enough, but no one’s ever good enough
No one’s ever nice enough,
No one’s ever fucked you enough
Called your bluff enough
Said your name like a God enough.
Now Ichigo’s response is a weird song about a siren with lavender eyes feasting on a golden-haired sailor’s skull, and Tatsuki didn’t know what to think happened but frankly? She doesn’t care.
She calls Urahara immediately.
“You know what this is gonna do to us, right?!” She shouts into the phone. “This isn’t doing anything but hurting the band, letting them go at it like this!”
Urahara - to his credit - listens patiently from the other end as she explodes. He has the decency to voice his sympathies, that it must be really tough working in a group with… So many opinions.
“These aren’t opinions. These. Are. Fatalities.” She grits out.
“I understand, Tatsuki-san, but…” She can nearly hear their manager shrug. “This is… How good music is made. I hate what it’s doing to your nerves, but you have to understand that this is how I get you guys out there.”
“At the expense of our friendship? What kind of manager are you -”
“A good one.” His voice drops low, suddenly serious in a way she’s never heard before. “What would you have me do, Tatsuki-san? Tell everyone to stop writing mean songs? Have them hug it out? You know that does nothing for any of us.”
“That’s not what I’m... “
“Tatsuki.” His voice lifts, a bit gentler. “This is what you all wanted, what you’re working hard for. Whether or not they get through this… Nobody can say. But that’s not gonna change whether or not they stop writing these stellar pieces. You know how good they are. So… I hate to tell you, but you’re gonna have to suck it up. Enjoy it while it lasts. It might make your career.”
She hangs up immediately, knowing he won’t be offended.
He knows that she knows he’s right.
--
Almost like a God-sent gift for Tatsuki’s suffering, Orihime breaks it off with Ichigo after only a few weeks.
The relationship ends - quite spectacularly - in disaster after a couple of dates… Just as Tatsuki thought it would, but hey. She’s not going to gloat about it, only promises whatever deity is responsible a huge offering the next time she happens upon a shrine.
She hears all about it from Orihime, of course - she’s way too pissed at Ichigo to speak to him about anything besides business - who tells her they got a couple of drinks, dinner a few times.
“It’s a very nice time! But he’s not… It’s…” She sighs forlornly and it makes Tatsuki hurt for her.
“He hasn’t made any moves, huh.”
The stage manager shakes her head, suddenly grabbing her water to keep the tears misting her eyes at bay.
Tatsuki wants to kill him.
“He said I looked nice. He opens the doors for me, pulls out my chair, pays for my bill. He and I have… Fun, I think. At least I do - and he’s very kind, such a gentleman -”
“It’s okay, Orihime. You can say it: he fucking sucks.”
Orihime laughs a watery laugh. “No, nothing like that. I just… This Rukia thing. It’s so… Intense, right? In practice? I should’ve known. I feel so stupid.”
“... Orihime.” The drummer puts her hand on her friend’s shoulder. “Nobody could’ve known. Had I known? You’d find me on a cruise ship, drumming for some dumb cover band.”
“You make jokes like that, Tatsuki, but you’re the band’s lifeline.” Orihime shakes her head, blinking back tears. “I just… Rukia is so… Goodness, she’s lovely. And talented. And so, so kind - “
“Orihime - “
“And I’m not one to be jealous, I know I’ve only known Ichigo for about a month now so I’m really not too upset about that. But I’d - I’d love to be someone’s first choice like that. I’d love to be the person that someone wants to write songs about, that inspires someone so much. Because that anger that’s coming through their songs… That’s them caring, you know? That’s them caring so much that good or bad, they want the whole world to know, and yeah I don’t love the bad so much but I do love love and want to be cared about like that one day but I’m not as smart or talented as Rukia-chan so - “
Tatsuki interrupts her by firmly pressing her lips to Orihime’s, her hands snaking into her gorgeous auburn hair and suddenly: everything is perfect, angels are singing and if she died at this very moment she would be too blissed out to fight it.
She briefly breaks it off, nudging Orihime’s forehead with her own. “Rukia is also my friend, but don’t get it twisted. They’re both absolute shits.”
Orihime laughs, smiling softly at the drummer before she goes back in and Tatsuki thinks band drama?
Who gives a fuck.
--
Her new girlfriend calls her the next day to say she’s told Ichigo, and Tatsuki sighs. She was about to enjoy her morning by smoking a joint, but. Priorities, she guesses.
She arrives at Ichigo’s apartment door within the hour, banging until he opens it.
“Y’know, how you get beyond the buzzer at the building entrance is beyond me - “
Tatsuki wastes no time. “Orihime told you, yeah?”
Ichigo rolls his eyes, but a rare, small smile betrays him. “Yeah, she told me. Congratulations.”
“Thanks. You mad?”
“What? No. Of course I’m not mad.”
“Cool. ‘Cuz what the ever-loving fuck, Ichigo.”
“... Not sure what you mean.” Ichigo’s eyes turn to flint as understanding dawns on him, and he’s about to close the door when she stomps on his foot.
“Tatsuki, what the hell--”
“Don’t ever try to do that to me again. What is this all about?”
“God, we didn’t have a - Orihime and I are friends! It’s all been worked out! What do you care, you got your girl - ” He shuts his mouth at the giveaway as Tatsuki narrows her eyes.
“Is that what this is about? You didn’t get your girl so you tried to get mine?”
“No, Tatsuki. I had no idea you liked her, I would’ve never had - and what do you mean ‘my girl’?!”
She ignores the question and chooses instead to ask in reply: “Have you talked to Rukia?”
A beat.
“... We’re not discussing this, Tatsuki.”
“Like, really talked to her? ‘Cuz I know you, and a whole lot of this bullshit could’ve been avoided had you just - “
“I’m not discussing this with you Tatsuki.” He looks down at his phone, lighting up the screen to look at the time. “Look, there’s a few more hours until practice and I wanted to get in some writing - “
“Of course you do.”
“... Just do me a favor. Please? Don’t - don’t ask me to talk about that stuff. You’re my friend and you scare the shit out of me - but I’m drawing the line there. Unless it has something to do with the band - “
She’s getting pissed all over again. “Ichigo, you know it effects the band - “
“We’re professional.” He snaps, and the quick show of temper stuns Tatsuki. He’s never had the nerve to talk to her like that, ever.
She’d be impressed if it wasn’t for the circumstances.
“... Congrats again on you and Orihime. I’ll see you two at practice tonight.”
He slams the door.
“... And you can kick my ass for doing that, later!” His muffled shout sounds from the other side of the door.
Tatsuki leaves in a hell of a less good mood than when she came.
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random rhythm heaven facts i know off the top of my head for some reason
uh i’m bored so. have random rhythm heaven facts that i just. know. for some reason.
despite being the only game in the series to not have any lyrical remixes, ds is tied with fever for the most original lyrical songs, with each having five. ds has thrilling! is this love?, love ooh ooh paradise, young love rock n’ roll, struck by the rain, and that’s paradise; fever has tonight, lonely storm, dreams of our generation, i love you my one and only, and beautiful one day.
i emphasize “original” because without that, megamix beats fever and ds, having around eleven lyrical songs in total; only counting original lyrical songs, megamix has three (tokimeki no story/lush remix’s music, i’m a lady now/honeybee remix’s music, and um. whatever machine remix’s song is. in the english version though it only has one original lyrical song).
tengoku has four lyrical songs: karate man’s song (which like. idk if it even has a name- does it get name privileges-), the bon odori, honey sweet angel of love, and wish - can’t wait for you.
the fastest song is in ds; big rock finish c’s bpm is 290. the second fastest is also a ds game, namely remix 4, with,,, i believe 222 bpm?
the slowest game is built to scale and built to scale 2; at their slowest, their bpm is 60.
while endless games’ bpm is all over the place due to speeding up, clap trap literally has no (or at least no known) bpm. somehow.
no i don’t know anything about music.
i do, though, know remix 10′s bpm off the top of my head. it’s 166 in case you were curious. remix 10 ds’ bpm is 160. remix 6,,, it’s 138.7 or something like that? idk the exact decimal number. left-hand remix’s bpm is 120 i think. i have no idea on right-hand remix’s. and final remix starts at 160 bpm, increases to 170 at the end, and finally, ends at 180 bpm.
i have memorized the controls for literally every game. no i will not list them here because that’d take too long.
lockstep is the only ds keep-the-beat game to not have flick controls.
barelys (early/late inputs that are too early/late to count as hits) usually count as misses, but there’s a few exceptions to this:
some games will have barelys allow you to pass the practice, but then not actually count in the game itself. the main offender of this is flipper-flop. flipper-flop’s barelys make it so hard to perfect dear god-
in ds, three games’ perfect campaigns count barelys as hits, those being shoot-’em-up, frog hop, and lockstep. despite this, they still count as misses when playing normally, meaning you can get a perfect that wouldn’t be a superb. that always happens to me when i play lockstep 2.
most games have clear indicators for when you got a barely, though some are relatively similar to a miss, but some games have literally no indicator of barelys. unsurprisingly, all but one are in ds:
the games in question are glee club (sometimes; i’m guessing it’s when it’s still a barely but it’s right on the line between barely and early/late hit) moai doo-wop, love lizards, space soccer, and, in fever, shrimp shuffle. this means that a perfect campaign can end despite everything seeming completely fine. (sometimes you can tell you got it wrong, but it can be difficult, personally the only one i can tell in is shrimp shuffle and also space soccer sometimes).
barelys always count as misses in megamix. due to this, barelys mess up perfects on shoot-’em-up, frog hop, and lockstep. yet for some reason, barelys still let you pass flipper-flop’s practice. i have no idea why since in literally every other instance they’re a fail, but they do.
there’s like three beats for keep-the-beat games (games where you have to press a/tap/whatever every beat). this is easily seen in megamix’s final remix, where there’s a part where it smoothly transitions between flock step, frog hop, and bunny hop, and then cues you into marching orders (which is likely just due to the bunny hop part ending with a long jump).
the main beat is shared between almost every keep-the-beat game. all the undeniable keep-the-beat games use it.
rhythm rally and air rally,,, i think both have the same beat? i don’t know though. i don’t know if either of them can even count as keep-the-beat games tbh.
donk-donk and shrimp shuffle both have unique beats, which i guess brings it up to four different beats.
yet again, no, i do not know what any of this means.
there’s eight karate man games (both of tengoku’s, both of ds’, both of fever’s, and both of megamix’s original karate man games). a karate man game has appeared in literally every game and i don’t know why.
fan club’s bpm is like 132 or something like that? i mean that’s at least what rhythm heaven remix editor says the “ooh”’s bpm is at i think. it might be 162. i really don’t remember.
i’ve memorized the entirety of remix 10, remix 10 ds, and remix 6. so that’s a thing. though sometimes remix 6 messes me up when i’m just trying to remember it without playing. i can’t memorize megamix’s medley remixes for the life of me.
i’ve also memorized remix 8 because of course i have, who’s surprised at this point?
quiz show is a game that exists. it’s interesting in that you don’t have to follow rhythm at all. it’s a repeat-after-me game, but all that matters is that you press the button(s) the same amount of times.
it also ends if you get a question wrong, and unless it was the last one, that gives you an immediate try again. it’s one of three games to end prematurely, the other two being the night walk games (night walk 2 can also end prematurely).
it only has music playing at the beginning for some reason.
did i mention it got into megamix instead of an actually good game? instead of an actual rhythm game? in rhythm heaven?
megamix’s english dubbing sucks.
they seemingly had a low budget, so i will cut them some slack, but that doesn’t stop the fact that it’s terrible.
the title cards for games use the same few fonts, while in previous games they nearly all had original fonts.
none of the original songs got dubbed. instead they’re just instrumental. and dear god do i hate it. thus, with english audio, the only remix song is i’m a lady now, which is in english in all versions.
space dance and marching orders. just,,, space dance and marching orders. dear god.
luckily, and possibly due to the dubbing, megamix has the option to change between english and japanese audio. i have no idea if that’s only in the english version or if it’s in other languages’ translations, but it’s nice either way.
ds just straight-up lies to you. at the beginning of the game, it says it’s completely controlled with the touch screen, but then in the game right before remix 10, the r-button is used.
due to this rockers 2 sucks on emulator.
ds has too many repeat-after-me games, i can think of five off the top of my head. ds’ repeat-after-me games also aren’t even that good? moai doo-wop sucks, shoot-’em-up and love lab are fine i guess, i like freeze frame, and drummer duel’s pretty fun (though i’m pretty sure it’s just spam? is this spam heaven now? where did the rhythm go?).
this probably doesn’t make sense to like ninety percent of you. 😔
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First Thoughts on YJ S4 Panel
WARNING: SPOILERS for the DC Fandome YJ S4 panel!
Okay, before I start chattering away, can I just saw how much I love this title poster? Because I love it. LOOK AT IT. LOOK AT HOW BADASS IT IS.
Warning: this first bit is a teeny bit ranty, but that doesn’t mean I didn’t genuinely love the panel. It was really fun, but I have a few gripes with the amount of information we got. If you wanna cut straight to the cheery bits, check under the cut.
So... uh. I’m not gonna say I’m disappointed? Because I’m not, this was good, we got info, it was nice to see the voice actors. But I’m... underwhelmed. I definitely wasn’t expecting a lot but this was still, mm, not as much as I thought we’d get. No poster, no previews of character designs, not a peep as to when we’re getting the new season, nothing on where it’ll be streaming, nothing as to new characters, nothing as to who’s going to be the villain, and the Q&A session was maaaayyybe 3 minutes long. Oof, guys. Thought you said you’d leave us with something that’d leave us “more than just ‘whelmed.’”
Essentially all we got was the title, and a few snippets of information regarding what the current status of the Team and its characters is. They didn’t really get the chance to talk to us at all about the actual season, either- I think Brandon spoke maaaybe three or four times? He got the title reveal, but, well, we knew that already, not that it’s their fault, but still. I love hearing the voice actors chat about their experiences and we got none of that, so that was disappointing. I’m wondering if there wasn’t some material cut, actually, because I distinctly recall seeing a clip on Twitter with Phil Lamarr talking about what it was like returning to the show, and it wasn’t in this. So what’s the deal, DC? Short-changing us on YJ again? When are we gonna get some actual news?
There is the little problem that their big reveal of the title was spoiled, oh, maybe three or four months ago, and that isn’t their fault, but it does make that revelation more of an “okay, well, glad that’s confirmed” rather than an “OH MY GODS IT’S PHANTOMS WHAAAAAAAT” like I think they were hoping. Still, that’s definitely exciting to hear, and the new title poster looks cool.
I got a “WHAT!!!” moment maaayybe three times, which is significantly less than I thought I would. There just wasn’t that much new info. But I think that’s less of a Grandon/production team problem and more of a world state and DC problem. I’m not annoyed at them, I’m annoyed at DC and at the pandemic, because I’m willing to bet their snippet was cut short by DC and what information they could’ve revealed just isn’t ready yet because of current events. Probably we would’ve gotten character designs if it weren’t for that.
As for the audio play, it was pretty good. They were definitely struggling what with having a distinct lack of people to pull from for a voice cast, but made some tongue-in-cheek references to it to take off the edge. I don’t think I realized just how many people voice for YJ until now... or how many characters each actor does. It’s a bit janky, and weird what with the arguing over who’s narrating the story (why, are they telling us the story, or are they telling it to someone else? Are you breaking the fourth wall, are you not? Make yourselves clear) but I’m blaming that on the fact that they’re more used to scripts than they are audio plays. These are different mediums, so there’s an inherent gap there; this probably would’ve gone better as an actual episode.
So, FIRST watch-through, here’s my HAPPY cheery thoughts and reactions, in no particular order! I might do a second one later, we’ll see. (Under the cut, because it’s long.)
Return of Bowhunter Security!
Clipboard makes a comeback!
The Supermartian marriage has taken place and they’re making reference to taking a long journey with Conner, M’gann, Bioship, Gar and J’onn. So... Mars? Do we finally get to see Mars?
Forager gets to be sassy! And a hilarious narrator! Which, c’mon, it’s Jason Spisak, honestly, I don’t know what I expected.
Ahahah, Jason makes the most delightful faces when he’s voicing Forager. (And a few flubs, but he’s good at covering them.) We all miss Wally, but man, he does a good job with this character. Also, hey, that’s how he does the clicks!
Rocket! Even though she had a relatively minimal presence, sigh. I’m hoping they build her character more this time, she always get short-changed.
ARTEMIS IS LEADING THE TEAM, repeat, ARTEMIS IS LEADING THE TEAM!!! YES!!!
And she also makes a reference at some point to being in this fight for ten years, which, HMM, do I hear a reference point for our time jump? They started back in 2010, so this implies that the season’s caught up to 2020. So... season one was 2010, season two was 2016, season three was... 2018, I think? So does this make the next time jump two years too, or am I off? It also takes place on February 23rd. Eh, either way, it’s absolutely not as long as a lot of people were fearing- heck, I’m thinking this might be the shortest jump yet. Yay!
I’m not sure if the Snapper Carr dialogue is cringy or hilarious. I’m going with hilarious because I’m betting this would’ve been great if it were animated. It definitely loses something without the animation.
Is... is Crispin Freeman playing four characters? Five? Will, Roy, Jim, Captain Boomerang... I think I’m missing someone, I’m gonna have to go back and rewatch this later, but wow. He switches between them so fluidly, too, that’s impressive.
Forget Freeman for a hot second, Nolan North, what are you doing, dude? Conner, Clayface, Mallah, at least one or two others, with a LOT of animal noises included... wow, okay. I definitely didn’t realize how many of these guys do two or three characters.
Phil Lamarr doing Brick, Black Manta and Kaldur all at once is definitely impressive. I’m gonna take a guess and say he likes doing Brick best. He seems to get a little grin sometimes when he’s playing the character.
Ahhh, Danica McKellar definitely likes playing Terrence Terror. Don’t ask me why, I’m just getting that feeling watching her. Villains are fun to play.
...Wolf? Where’s Wolf? Uhh, guys? Where’s our fluffy doggo? Don’t tell anyone but I’m scared.
Oooookay, that was unexpectedly gruesome. Dehydrating a man into sand? I mean, okay, it’s Clayface, but we didn’t know that till later. Eeeewww. Y’all, ik you’re going more dark, but that wasn’t an image anyone needed.
Jokes about Dadbod!Will are... hhh, cringy or funny, cringy or funny... I’m going sorta funny for now. Not enough to make me laugh, but enough to make me smile.
Okay, Will’s definitely still hilarious. Literally that entire scenario with Captain Boomerang was amazing, and only made better by the fact that it was entirely Crispin Freeman. The “are you the Green Arrow fanclub president or something?” “...you have no idea” moment, the “boomerangs are better and Batman said so!” “...okay, FINE,” FLINGING CLIPBOARD, Boomerang teasing Will for his dadbod and Will answering with a wicked uppercut... ah, man. This is 100% Roy/Will Harper and I am here for it.
I can see some people disliking this humor, but personally, I’m gonna just sit back and enjoy it. YJ has some quirky humor, but honestly, if you’re part of the fandom and you don’t like it, why are you even here?
Huh, Raquel’s a vegan and nobody’s making jokes about vegan burgers? Nice!
Oh, my gods, Forager deciding that Lian and Amistad playing with the food is an educational activity is AMAZING, 100% in character, and something I really, really want to see.
(Fanartists? Fanartists, pleeeeaaasse?)
Will and Artemis ribbing each other will never get old.
...wait. Hang on. Is Will the comedic relief character now along with Forager? Is this a thing? I guess it is. If you’d asked me who out of the original Team would replace Wally as the comedic relief back when I had finished the second season, I would not have thought of him first, but I think I’m good with this. It’s definitely in character to his comic version.
Ahh, Conner and M’gann’s relationship is still... interesting. Still not sure how to feel on this one. But hey, they’re married (?) now? Uh... nice?
Nightwing’s off on some mysterious mission, hmm? I’m assuming that’s because of Jesse McCartney not being there, but I think I’m gonna headcanon that there are Other reasons for this.
Yay, Clayface getting redemption! I love this in the Rebirth Batman: Detective Comics, so I’m 100% down for seeing it here.
Tim did that for Clayface! Sweet! Not a plot thread I expected to go anywhere from that one season three episode, but one I am very happy to see used.
...more secrets. Uhh, M’gann keeping secrets from Conner is... icky... again... but granted, keeping them because of confidentiality agreements is, well, a better excuse than she’s had in the past. Still, this is getting old.
Huh, so Waller will let out the Team’s secrets if they tell anyone about Belle Reve. I think this was already covered in the third season, but maybe not so explicitly. The reactions... hmm. Of course Conner’s okay with letting out all their secrets (and M’gann’s willing to... go along with that? ...okay...?), but the others, maybe not so much? Hmm. I wonder what Dick would have to say about that one. He definitely has something to lose. Not sure about Kaldur or Artemis, though.
Jason did NOT get to make any Wally references. That makes me even sadder than if he did make one that made all of us cry. C’mon, guys. Let him have his references.
I’m always a little meh on M’gann, but hey, M’gann gets to be a 100% certified badass! Saving Clayface AND taking down a ton of baddies with telekinesis, yay!
Oh, my gods. LOOPHOLES. WHAT IS WITH THIS TEAM AND LOOPHOLES. I love them so much.
The Team signing on as Bowhunter Security- oh my gods, all of the Team in fucking Bowhunter Security uniforms- oh my gods, so very in-character, so very true to YJ, so absolutely goddamn hilarious, I wanna hug whoever came up with that. That is the BEST mental image and it is a CRIME that they didn’t animate that.
And, of course, Kaldur just immediately goes along with it. The Team’s corrupted him fully now. I mean, we knew that, but he’s done now.
Black Manta attempting to roast Kaldur for his security uniform and Kaldur roasting him back 100 times worse is wonderful. “I wear my dignity on the inside, Father. Where do you wear yours?” KALLIE I LOVE YOU
Ooooo, Artemis is inviting Roy to the Team? This should be interesting. He’s definitely not totally stable, but it seems to me that Artemis should be able to more or less keep him in check. Hopefully. She had to deal with Wally for five years, surely she can keep Roy in check?
...hmm. We’re all thinking there’s gonna be a Red Hood arc... Roy’s joining the team... Roy and Jason did have that run as the Outlaws in the comics with Kory... and this version of Roy has the sort of temper and attitude that I can just see Jason possibly getting along well with... hmmmmmmmm...
Hah, villain shenanigans. Having Task Force X argue all the time is in character and admittedly sort of funny, especially as Black Manta’s sort of pulling a Kaldur and playing the absolutely exasperated denmother. I dislike BM thanks to him being a Baddie and all, but watching (listening to?) him struggle to contain them is enjoyable if only because I like watching him suffer.
Ahh, watching the VAs is fun. It’s definitely nice to see that little view behind the camera. There’s the little smiles, the tiny grimaces at the icky bits, the responses to various bits, the way their demeanor changes with each character, everyone egging Nolan on when he’s yelling for Clayface being disintegrated... I’m sad we didn’t get to see them chat, but watching them interact while they work is fun. Pity Jason and Stephanie didn’t really have any interactions, though, I bet watching them work together would’ve been fun. Ah well. Still fun overall.
There’s a lot of variation in where they are/what setups they have. Some of them seem to have proper studios, some of them don’t but they have mics, Danica’s on the lower bunk of her son’s room with what I’m betting are several sheets hung behind her, and then... well, then there’s poor Stephanie with earbuds and what I’m betting is her phone at her friend’s house XD Also, Greg’s library is really awesome, can I steal it please?
Green title card... I know people have been positing this for a while, but Lazarus Pit? Also, the thing people haven’t talked about: Mars?! Is this a nod to the Martians, since M’gann, Conner, Gar and J’onn seem to be going there?
Lots of speculation regarding Phantoms, but that’s been going around for a while, so *shrug* I’m not gonna spend any time on that for now.
Someone’s gonna have to write this out, methinks, for further examination. We’ll see if I get around to doing that or not before Fandome ends. I’m betting someone will record it and post it on YouTube, but a written-out version of the script would be useful. If I do, I’ll probably post it, so keep an eye out.
So... season 3.9, episode 1? Hmm. Does this come directly prior to the fourth season? I kinda wanna say it does.
I have more thoughts, but I think I need to do a rewatch first, maybe in a little bit. Anyway... not what I was expecting, I sincerely miss Dick and Wally, but lots of funny jokes all the same, and lots of interesting information on the fourth season even if it’s nowhere near the amount we wanted. I might be underwhelmed but I’m certainly not disappointed.
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Salty Dog Blues Before Flatt & Scruggs
Old Salty Dog Blues is a Flatt & Scruggs classic and today the song is considered a staple of bluegrass music. However, bluegrass itself is a recent genre, with its inception typically dated 1945. Many songs from its early repertoire came from other sources, both popular and folk.
Above you will hear a compilation of Salty Dog Blues from recordings between 1924 and 1950 (ending with the Flatt & Scruggs version). Below the cut I will provide more details of each selection you hear. This is not a comprehensive compilation; for instance, I don’t have Lead Belly’s 1948 audio here. However, what’s incredibly fun about this recording is how DIVERSE the music is. And how incredibly NOT bluegrass it is.
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Like many people, I became familiar with Salty Dog Blues through the Flatt & Scruggs version recorded in 1950. The song was catchy enough for me to love it as it was, but listening to the lyrics further piqued my interest. I realized I was assuming what a “salty dog” was through the lyrics rather than comprehending a precise meaning. But looking at the lyrics for clues was hard. There’s a narrative, but it feels just off-kilter enough I suspected the song had folk origin. Some folk tune variations can sound like the verses were sewn together haphazardly like patches of different fabrics on a quilt. It makes sense, when you consider how people would’ve gotten the words. Passing lyrics through oral tradition can create curious, wonky results and fascinating variations and divergences. It’s a game of generational telephone. Clearly, I had to go beyond the Flatt & Scruggs version in order to decipher my term.
And so. I found myself. Deep-diving this tune’s origin.
There hasn’t been a second wasted in my life fishing through this. Holy wow have I run into a jackpot of wildly fun things! I still have so much more I could look into. I had suspicions of what I’d find, but the following lyrics posted into a forum went way beyond expectations:
Two old maids laying in the grass, One had her finger up the other one's ass Honey, let me be your salty dog!
Welp. If I hadn’t been interested already, I would have been THEN. And the sexual explicitness... and other fun times... just kept COMING (wordplay intended here).
So! Below cut, I want to go further into the meaning of “salty dog” and listen to how the song developed from a blues tune to the 1950 Flatt & Scruggs country song. It would require a whole other post to go past 1950, so that’s why I’ve restricted my range from the earliest recorded tunes to the moment it entered bluegrass.
1. What *IS* a Salty Dog?
The first entertainment I got was seeking a definition for “salty dog.” The OED gave nothing to me, sadly, so I was left to peruse other sources. Reading forums, interviews, articles, and more, I encountered a hilariously diverse array of proposed definitions. I got peeps saying:
It’s a type of soft drink.
It’s a type of cocktail using grapefruit juice and gin or vodka. It’s served in a glass with a salted rim.
It’s the name of a specific bar in North Carolina.
It’s a medicinal solution from early frontier communities, especially in eastern Appalachia. A sausage soaked in brine solution was placed under people’s clothes during winter as a counter to pneumonia and flu.
It’s an ornery sailor, mariner, or pirate who’s spent a large portion of their life at sea. Just like a sea dog or an old salt.
It’s any person who’s really good with their work. A tough fellow, since salty can mean “full of spirit and fight.”
It’s a sweetheart, someone you love, or a favorite person. Applying salt to hunting dogs was believed to keep ticks away, and because salt was a rare commodity in those times, you’d only apply it to your favorite and most valuable dog.
It’s an illicit lover or libidinous man or woman, someone getting sex the wrong way.
It’s a pimp.
It’s a reference to oral sex. Have sex with one individual, then shortly later have someone perform oral on you.
The last one, which was embellished by Urban Dictionary (thanks, Urban Dictionary) could likely be an instance of linguistic pejoration, in which a word’s meaning “worsens” semantically over time. That said, I’ve seen everyday people in forums comment that in the 1940s and 50s in their communities, it did refer to oral sex. I’ll believe their testimony. So, contemporary to the time Flatt & Scruggs recorded, the more crude sexual sides appear to have been in vernacular use. It’s likely most if not all of the definitions proposed are real meanings of “salty dog,” but clearly the song Salty Dog Blues isn’t referring to all simultaneously.
Bluegrass musicians have not always been helpful providing a definition. For instance, Curly Seckler, one member of Flatt & Scruggs, proposed the benign soft drink suggestion. He said in this moment onstage in 1985:
Curly Seckler: I found out what a salty dog was. I think I was down here before I didn’t know, but I do now. I went home here, I believe it was last year, they had a big day down there. And, course I went over through the Smokies over there, and I stopped over there at Wiley Morris’s garage. . . . And we sang Salty Dog Blues and some of the old numbers together. But I asked him, I said, “Wiley, I’d like to know before I pass on, what in the world is a salty dog?” See, they wrote the Salty Dog Blues, him and Zeke. He said, “Well, North Carolina, years and years ago, had a drink they called salty dog. Now that’s a pop, a soda. And I said, “Well, I’m from North Carolina, but I don’t remember that.” But he said that’s why that got them the idea of writing a song called—”
And then, hilariously, Curly is distracted by his band, who’ve been whispering to each other the entire time and grinning, and calls out, “What am I hearing?” I’d like to imagine they were talking about the real meaning and Curly picked up the chatter’s more scandalous side.
After all, Zeke and Wiley Morris did not write Salty Dog Blues, and their story seems to be a coverup to defend their writer’s credit (which for the record is legitimate... a novel arrangement was given writer’s credit frequently in these times) and a polite way to get around the meaning of what a “salty dog” was. An article written by Wayne Erbsen shows that the brothers themselves gave varying definitions of the term:
Wiley explained that “I have a different definition of a salty dog than Zeke has. Back when we were kids down in Old Fort we would see a girl we liked and say “I’d like to be her salty dog.” There also used to be a drink you could get up in Michigan. All you had to do was say “Let me have a Salty Dog,” and they’d pour you one.” Zeke remembers that “I got the idea when we went to a little old honky tonk just outside of Canton which is in North Carolina. We went to play at a school out beyond Waynesville somewhere and we stopped at this place. They sold beer and had slot machines. At that time they were legal in North Carolina. We got in there after the show and got to drinking that beer and playing the slot machines with nickels, dimes and quarters. I think we hit three or four jackpots. Boy, here it would come! You know you had a pile of money when you had two handfuls of change. The name of that place was the “Salty Dog,” and that’s where I got the idea for the song. There’s actually more verses to it than me and Wiley sing, a lot more verses.”
As I and others who’ve read the article noticed, the fact that the Morris Brothers admitted there were many more verses... is indirect admittance of folk origin. The Morris Brothers were professional musicians in the 1930s, their recording of Salty Dog Blues was recorded September 29, 1938... and our earliest audio versions of the song come from the 1920s. There are many recordings of this song that predate the Morris Brothers. Still, even in a documentary from the 1970s, they maintained their story they wrote it.
But the song’s true origin outside the Morris Brothers allowed me to expand the scope of my investigation. It was time to peep into the alternate lyrics from earlier versions, and hope that those gave me a better understanding of the song and what a salty dog in this context meant.
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2. The Lyrics of Salty Dog Blues
What the Morris Brothers and Flatt & Scruggs sang were fairly tame. However, the lyrics still involved a gun being shot and a person singing the following lines:
Looky here Sal, I know you Run down stocking and a worn out shoe Honey, let me be your Salty Dog
Let me be your Salty Dog Or I won't be your man at all Honey, let me be your Salty Dog
“I won’t be your man at all” in the chorus is a good hint of what a salty dog is supposed to be. It wouldn’t make sense to replace the term “salty dog” with mariner. I suspected from the start this song’s meaning veered toward the concept of a lover, and alternate versions of the lyrics prove that the case, oftentimes in wonderfully blunt or creative verses.
As I was investigating these recordings and their artists, I ran into information discussing the early years recording Salty Dog Blues, including times from before it was recorded. Jazz musician Bill Johnson (1872-1972) had his band playing this song circa or prior to the 1910s, and in an excerpt from the book Early Blues: The First Stars of Blues Guitar, I read:
Papa Charlie’s follow-up release, the ragtimey, eight-bar “Salty Dog Blues,” made him a recording star. . . . Old-time New Orleans musicians from Buddy Bolden’s era recalled hearing far filthier versions of “Salty Dog Blues” long before Papa Charlie’s recording.
Papa Charlie Jackson recorded his version of Salty Dog Blues in 1924 and Buddy Bolden (1877-1931) was popular with his band in New Orleans from 1900-1907. So... what were these filthier lyrics from the early twentieth century?
I want to go back to the lyrics I quoted at the beginning of this post... “Two old maids laying in the grass / One had her finger up the other one's ass. Honey, let me be your salty dog!” The individual who shared these lyrics on a forum said they heard Sam Bush sing that at Rockygrass in 2002. Maybe that was a recent permutation. However, I found variations on this lyric submitted independently by others, indicating this wouldn’t have been Sam creating lyrics out of nothing. Some posts, I don’t know if they were serious or not... “Two necrophiliacs lying in a bed / Each one a-wishin' that the other was dead,” but there’s too many similarities across what I’m seeing. Other individuals said they sang lyrics like these in college parties: “Two old maids, laying in bed / One rolled over to the other and said / Honey, let me be your salty dog.” And the Kingston Trio, whose music was folk-oriented and part of the Folk Revival movement, in 1964 sang in their version of Salty Dog Blues, “There were two old ladies sitting in the sand / Each one wishing the other was a man.”
Digging deeper, I found other folk songs contained variations on the “Two old maids laying in a bed / sand” concept. This discovery is in line with authentic folk lyrics. Remember that folk music is a game of telephone, and sometimes the same verses are found in two or more songs. I found several variations of Brown’s Ferry Blues with this couplet, some of them coming from Folk Revival musicians.
These lyrics give a starting point both to how Salty Dog Blues can contain bawdier concepts, and what a salty dog is.
But lyrics from Salty Dog Blues recordings in the 1920s and 1930s give even more reliable indication. Clara Smith’s 1926 version includes:
Oh, won't you let me be your salty dog? I don't want to be your gal at all. You salty dog, you salty dog.
Oh honey babe, let me be your salty dog, Salty dog, oh, you salty dog.
It's just like looking for a needle there in the sand Trying to find a woman that hasn't got a man. Salty Dog oh you salty dog.
Her lyrics also include a couplet I found in many of the early versions:
God made a woman, he made her kinda funny Lips around her mouth sweet as any honey, Oh, you salty dog, oh, you salty dog.
It says a lot: a verse about romantic love was one of the most oft repeated couplets across Salty Dog Blues variations. Papa Charlie Jackson included that verse, as well as these others:
Lord, it ain't but the one thing grieve my mind, All these women and none is mine.
Now, scaredest I ever been in my life, Uncle Bud like to caught me kissing his wife.
And for those of you who aren’t familiar with the sentential construction, “liked to” means “almost.” Uncle Bud almost caught me kissing his wife. This is a song about a lover, and in one of these verses, the lover’s doing something taboo.
Some forum dudes claimed Mississippi John Hurt and his friends sang a line like this one below, even though they also said it didn’t make any recordings:
Well, your salty dog, he comes around When your sugar daddy's outta town Baby, let me be your salty dog
And there’s yet more elaboration about what a salty dog is in verses in Afro-Creole singer Lizzie Miles’s 1952 recording, which we do have:
Mardi Gras is a dream You can meet all those Creole queens They’re salty dogs, yes, salty dogs
If you want to blow your cares away Just walk on in the Vieux Carré You’ll find salty dogs, yes, salty dogs
Never had no name, never went to school But when it comes to loving, I ain’t no fool I’m a salty dog, yes, a salty dog
I’ve got sixteen men in love with me But the man I love ain’t legally free He’s a salty dog, yes, he’s a salty dog
Granted, I *am* sifting through a huge storm of verses and intentionally picking ones that match this narrative. But these are all lyrics that show a wonderfully off-color, sexual side to Salty Dog Blues. This song sure as hell ain’t singing about soda pop or sailing.
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3. The Earliest Recordings of Salty Dog Blues
So. In my compilation you’re listening to, what is it you’re hearing?
Between the 1920s and 1940s, “race records” were records from African-American musicians. The term would be used to describe the blues, gospel, etc. that these musicians performed. OKeh Records was the first company to use that term in 1922. Also during the 1920s, another line of records, “hillbilly” records, began; this was used to describe what was perceived as rural white musician fiddle and string band music.
These record companies, however, were separating music by race somewhat artificially. There were plenty of Black musicians playing string band music, for instance, during these times. The early history of American country music involves an amalgamation of musical ideas from many demographics sharing and adopting ideas from one to another and back again. When you listen to the compilation I made of early versions of Salty Dog Blues, you may hear a difference between the white and Black musicians, likely because of that artificial distinction I mentioned.
Still, there’s a fascinating amount of overlap. I think it’s particularly interesting to pay attention to how the melodic material varies; it’s the same core melody, but there’s certainly differences. Listening to the variations can get you a sense of how folk music is a wild world of branching versions. There’s different strains, with both the melody morphing as it gets passed person to person, and the lyrics morphing as it gets passed person to person.
Specifically, I took my samples from the following recordings:
Charlie Jackson - Released 29 Nov 1924. Papa Charlie Jackson was the first commercially successful male blues artist who played both fingerstyle and with a flatpick on his guitjo. He was born in 1887 in New Orleans. Even when he was producing his records in the early twentieth century, his music would have been old-fashioned to listeners and given people an ear to what African American music sounded like before the turn of the century. He’s similar to Lead Belly in this regard, whose 1948 recording of Salty Dog Blues I did not include in the audio compilation. Jackson’s music was also in that vague area that leaned toward hillbilly in the early days before the race records / hillbilly records division became distinct.
Lem Fowler’s Washboard Wonders - Released 30 Dec 1925. Between 1922 and 1932 this jazz musician recorded 57 songs and 23 player piano rolls in New York and Chicago. A composer, most of his recordings feature his own work; Salty Dog Blues is one of three pieces recorded with his band that is not his own. I love this recording.
Clara Smith - Dated 26 May 1926. The first commercially successful blues singers were women. Clara Blues was an early classic female blues singer, a genre sometimes also referred to as vaudeville blues that combined traditional folk blues and urban theater music. This native of South Carolina excelled at emotional slow drag blues.
Freddie Keppard and His Jazz Cardinals - recorded July 1926. Freddie Keppard was a New Orleans musician. Interestingly enough, Papa Charlie Jackson is in this version as well, this time played with a full band, and you can hear someone declare “Papa Charlie done sung that song!” at the end.
Allen Brothers - Recorded 7 April 1927. I think this is the first recording of Salty Dog Blues by white musicians we have. Born and raised in Tennessee, Austin and Lee Allen were an early hillbilly duo popular in the 1920s and 1930s. Austin played banjo; Lee played guitar and kazoo. They were influenced by local jazz and blues artists as they were growing up. It’s interesting to note that Salty Dog Blues came out of their first recording session and became a hit, selling over 18,000 copies. And this band, the first white hokum blues musicians (so I’ve seen claimed), were accidentally issued first as a race record by mistake.
McGee Brothers - Recorded 11 May 1927; released Jul 1927. Sam and Kirk McGee were white old-time / hillbilly musicians from Tennessee who performed on the Grand Ole Opry starting in 1926. Sam learned blues techniques from Black railroad workers and street musicians, and the duo would adapt blues and ragtime pieces into string band music. I LOVE this version of Salty Dog Blues; while it squarely hits the “hillbilly” genre, some of the minor melodic fragments mirror what Black blues musician Kokomo Arnold sang.
Stripling Brothers - Recorded 10 Sep 1934. Fiddler Charlie Stripling and guitarist Ira Stripling were born in the 1890s in Alabama. They’re an old-time hillbilly music duo and Charlie Stripling is considered an important old-time fiddler. Their earliest recordings reflect what they learned at home; later recordings contained increasing pop influences. Salty Dog Blues is one of their later recordings; their last release was from 1936. I would love to know more about where they got this version of the song, as I feel its melody is diverges more than the others recordings in this time period.
Kokomo Arnold - 1937. Mentioned above. Kokomo Arnold was a left-handed slide blues guitarist from Georgia.
Morris Brothers - First recorded 29 Sep 1938; released 21 Dec 1938. Second version recorded 1945. I’ve already mentioned the Morris Brothers, but there’s more information you need to know. Zeke, Wiley, and George Morris were hillbilly musicians from North Carolina popular in the 1930s. The Morris Brothers was also the band in which now-famed banjo picker Earl Scruggs had his first professional job. Scruggs played with them about eight months in the late 1930s or early 1940s. If you listen to the full Morris Brothers, it’s obvious Earl learned it from them; Flatt & Scruggs keep everything from the lyrics, harmony choices, and instrumental break points the same as what you hear here. But the Morris Brothers’s version of the song is rather original compared to everything else in this compilation, which is probably why they managed a writer’s credit for it.
Flatt & Scruggs - Recorded 20 Oct 1950; released 1 May 1952. Earl Scruggs would have brought Salty Dog Blues to the band he was now heading, Flatt & Scruggs and the Foggy Mountain Boys. This song was often sung as a trio in concerts when their usual lead vocalist, Lester Flatt, was taking a break. Their band rotated singers, performers, and other forms of variety in their radio, television, and stage shows, but such repertoire never made it onto official Flatt & Scruggs records. This record is, as far as I remember, the only instance in which another musician besides Lester Flatt sings both the verses and lead. That singer is their fiddler, Benny Sims. In later performances and recordings of Salty Dog Blues by Flatt & Scruggs, Lester Flatt took his usual role singing.
I find it interesting to also note the early musicians’ origins. Everyone came from the South. New Orleans especially appeared to have old widespread use of the song. I haven’t had time to listen to see if the musicians’ home location correlates to similarity in lyrics and melodic structure, but that would be hella fun to do sometime, too.
But! I have already fished through the song enough and given you a giant essay. Maybe at a later point I’ll have to entertain myself more and keep digging into Salty Dog Blues.
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Lie to Me Theory: Music Video
Start Here: Lie to Me Theory: Timeline
There is no way to beat around this part of theory. It must be approached directly and bravely. All of what has happened in the timeline to here has left people distracted. So no one would be looking for the ultimate truth in a video about lying. Luke is singing. He addresses four different people. Everyone is represented by cars: three different parties. Two different agendas for being in relationships. All stemming from one reason.
First we need to talk about the two truly significant elements of the Lie to Me Music Video: the lyrics and the center car.
What do we mean by lyrics? The ones available on AZlyrics or Genius? The ones they’re singing? Not this time.
From the video description.
Artist frequently put their lyrics in the description of their videos. 5SOS does this on a number of their videos. This is the only one of their videos where the lyrics in the description 1. from a different version of the song and 2. have a typo in them
Here is one of the screenshots of the LTM Official MV that I took.
These were the official lyrics that Ashton, Calum and Luke wrote with Ali Tamposi. And then a very talented and good female singer, Julia Michaels, was brought in so they could make the official lyrics publicly available
It is strange that they would do this. Why not just leave both versions of the lyrics under the proper versions of each video? Unless the lyrics of the official audio version aren’t actually the right lyrics.
It is careless and weird that the grammar on most of their videos (all of their other music videos) is good and then suddenly on LTM the first typo on a music video appears. They would have caught it and fixed it by now, surely.
These boys don’t know how to spell “Change” huh? ‘Chang’
Don’t know how to edit the description of a YouTube video? Forgot to? Don’t care to? Remember when Michael told Luke on twitter to go back to school.
Change is the only word mispelled in the description of any of their music videos...because the lyrics were “Changed.”
Yes, it is entirely possible something this cryptic occurred.
Think Think Think
The cleverness within this band should not be underestimated. Time and time again, artists under Modest! have used covert means to convey the truth of their situations without the majority of their audiences noticing.
These in the description are the original lyrics of LTM. The lyrics of the official release were changed to fit the image that management wanted to promote. This seems to be the implication, so interpretation of the music video rests on these lyrics and not the ones they are singing.
Symbolic Cars
This part was easy for people to pick up on.
Represented on the passenger side of the center car by 96 like Hemmo1996.
Then there’s the other side of the car.
Represented on the driver’s side of the center car by these two lower-cased letters: ae. So who’s ae?
There are a number of options for people special enough in Luke’s life that he might want in the car with him, in fact, a person he cares enough about that that person might be the driver. A person with ae in their name. So there’s a lot of those. What narrows down the options is that ae is a person who is close to Luke but in the same situation as Luke. They are both circled by cars that represent threats to their wellbeing. So you can decide who ae is. It couldn’t be a coincidence that this video was released the week of Michael Clifford’s engagement. That would be ludicrous.
Now we can talk about the video story
L can see the mess before he agrees to be a part of it. The two cars are already circling like sharks before he gets into the car. He still gets into the car, sitting in the backseat. He’s surrendered for the next half of the video. Pain and heartbreak etched into his face.
The circling cars represent “toxic people” like Ashton clued. So the circling cars are toxic relations.
He addresses the first chorus primarily to the circling car with toxic person #1. This is a person who left him not only emotionally fraught but publicly humiliated him and scarred his reputation, then dropped all responsibility for fun and left him to do the clean up.
And now I wish we never met
because you are too hard to forget
While I’m cleaning up your mess
I know he’s taking off your dress
And I know that you don’t, but if I ask you if you love me
I hope you lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie to me
The easy interpretation:
1. The person involved is sleeping with someone else but L isn’t angry that he’s been betrayed. Maybe because he loves her so much he could even forgive that...or maybe because he actually never loved her.
2. Her marks on his life still causes a lot of grief because she publicly humiliated him and took no responsibility, so this is why all his regret stems from being stuck in the dump she threw him into
3. But he’s in communication with her---so he can ask her questions. Like if she still loves him. But that doesn’t make sense if he didn’t even like her that much.
“LTM represents when someone is in a relationship for something other than what you are there for.” Like fame or publicity, but Luke is using her for something else entirely.
Luke was being used because he was in a vulnerable situation. He still is in a vulnerable situation. It made it easy for others to hurt him but he didn’t rely on them.
He starts by regretting the toxic relationship, but in these last two lines, he is turning to a different person, his person.
Luke’s voice lifts at the end of each chorus as he turns to his last hope. “And I know that you don’t” because he sees how disgusted the person must be by the situation “but if I ask you if you love me, I hope you lie...” I hope you’ll love me. Despite how much you couldn’t--don’t like me.
It’s 3 am and the moonlight’s testing me
I know you’ve been holding onto someone else
And now I can’t sleep (Ah)
I ain’t happy, oh
I ain’t too happy, oh
This verse starts immediately after the first time we get to see the driver’s side of the car where it says ae. This is extremely coincidental. It’s shifting focus onto another person.
So he’s addresses ae basically, ‘I feel tested. I’ve turned to you and begged you to take me, but you’ve been acting like me, holding on to the same stories I’ve been through with a toxic person. It worries me. I am not happy. But I am also not mad at you.’
Luke holds back from accusing ae even though he would like to. He is wounded again by ae’s actions but he does not want to outright blame ae for the situation that they are both stuck in the center of.
Flashing back to New York City
Chang your flight so you stay with me
Remember thinking that I got this right
‘Flashing back’ is when we recall memories. Nostalgia sets in for a better time. The first pre-chorus, Luke has a balance he is reminiscing about when he at the time thought he could balance both of his relationships perfectly. There was turmoil of course--the need to re-negotiate flights because of a mess up with leaving to New York--but it was alright after that and that’s why he was led into a false sense of security that he got this “right.” Did anyone ever have to change flights when they were trying to leave New York city because of a mistake.
It’s funny that I thought this typo was on purpose because the official lyric again is ‘Change your flight so you stay with me’ but if it was really meant to be ‘changed’ then it would fit a dual purpose, warning us about the lyric flop and talking about that one time someone had their flight changed when they were trying to stay with Luke too. I’m dropping hints like bombs but I’m not saying what I’m talking about yet and it’s hilarious and terrible. Later post I promise.
Flashing back to New York City
I was done but you undid me
Classic me to run when it feels right
The second time, Luke runs away from New York City, symbol of stability and security within his relationship with ae. He was done--he didn’t have any interest in connection with any of the toxic ones--but you undid me--again the theme of being humiliated and having a slaughtered reputation, the pain that goes with that. And now after the 3am verse Luke is with ae, and done with TP #1, but ae’s ‘someone else,’ the second circling car, the other toxic person, is there to ruin Luke’s life again but by being attached to ae. This time Luke wants out. He’s so done already but this person is causing him double the agony that the last one did because he’s involving someone he cares for deeply. And he leaves the car before either of the circling cars smash into it. There is no Luke to hurt. Luke got out when “it feels right.” He knew this time that things were going well with ae but he gave up on ae because he was tired.
While Luke was humiliated, and went through a great deal of grief because of his toxic relationship, at no time during the car collisions do we see 96. Instead, the footage of the driver’s side of the car with the prominent ae is flipped so it looks as though the wheel of the car is on the right side passenger side of the car. It’s as though everything that once applied to Luke’s situation now applies to ae’s cause holy shit.
As it turns out, ae takes the hardest hit. The tempo is the most upbeat it was the entire video during the last chorus. Luke is still surrendered to the situation but he’s protesting against the way they have been treated. Now all the boys are united, not just watching Luke. They’re all supporting each other. Luke is talking to Toxic Relationship person 2 in this chorus. He is stronger now. He’s done this before and the boys are supporting him. He’s standing up for ae.
Last chorus:
Now I wish we never met
'Cause you're too hard to forget
While he's taking off my dress
I know she's laying on your chest
The relationship between himself and ae is the strongest it’s ever been, but even when ae’s taking off Luke’s clothes, Luke can tell that ae’s toxic relationship weighs on his heart. It is as though she is laying on his chest like depression weighs on the heart. Also this is gay if it’s real.
Final verses:
I know that you don't, but if I ask you if you love me
I hope you lie, lie, lie, lie, lie to me
Singing, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie
Li-li-lie, lie, lie, lie, lie
Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie
Li-li-lie, lie, lie, lie, lie (Yeah yeah)
I know that you don't, but if I ask you if you love me
I hope you lie, lie, lie, lie, lie to me
The last part “I know that you don’t....” is repeated twice with many desperate pleas for lies. It is repeated twice for both types of relationships: toxic and ae.
For toxic, he hopes that they pretend that they love him. He’ll even sing their lies. For ae, he hopes whenever they are in public playing their games of animosity, if he ever slips up and does something loving or a giveaway, he hopes ae will lie about loving Luke too and follow through playing their pretend game of hate because it’s the only way to avoid making the situation worse, and that’s the one thing the management and the boys want.
Then the car explodes
Because he knows, they know, it’s not going to work. All the lies are going to blow them up. So the car explodes. Showing ae. The lies literally made ae explode.
An hour after the Lie to Me Music Video premieres, Michael’s fiancee announces publicly that they are engaged.
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THE TOP 10 WORST KPOP SONGS OF 2020
(WARNING: I DON’T LIKE THESE SONGS AND WILL BE MEAN AT THEM. I DO NOT HAVE ANY PERSONAL BEEF WITH ANY OF THESE GROUPS OR ARTISTS SO DON’T COME FOR ME IF YOUR FAVE MADE A STINKER TRACK THIS YEAR.)
Ah, 2020. The year where disco came back, the 80s came back, and everyone was titling their songs after nonsense words. It was a good year for k-pop overall, with a lot of new trends entering the game towards the end of summer. However, there were some real clunkers that refused to get out of my head this quarantine and pissed me off to varying degrees each time I heard them. This list is an attempt to chronicle all of those.
So without further ado, let’s get this shit done.
HONORABLE MENTIONS:
NCT 127 - PUNCH This isn't actually a bad song, hence it only making it to the honorable mentions section. In fact, I think this could've easily made the best list had it not been for one thing, and that's the presence of NCT 127, namely their rap line. The instrumental on this thing is absolutely killer and one of the best productions to come out of SM in a long time. The entire thing is bizarrely structured and incredibly gutsy, and therefore I think it's a travesty that an instrumental this incredible was drowned in ASMR-esque whispers and EYYYY WE BALLINs. There are a few salvageable sections, namely the first post-chorus, and we see glimmers of NCT 127's true potential, should they choose to explore this sound further.
CIGNATURE - NUN NU NAN NA Similar to Punch, I admire the production choices here - there are a few sections that blast you with 100gecs-esque womps, and that's always something I enjoy. The vast majority of the song rarely dips below decent territory, but since the entire thing hinges on the titular hook, it ends up falling apart right when it needs to bring the hype the most. I mean, building a hook around those notes was...an interesting choice, I guess. It reminds me a lot of fromis_9's FUN!, which also constructed the entire song around a terrible set of notes. Listen to them yell that hook at you and tell me it doesn't sound off. Most frustrating song of 2020.
ONG SEONG WU - GRAVITY Have you ever heard a drop this weak? I sure haven't. I hate the way he says DIVING INTO YOUR LOVE, the over-enunciation kills me and there's one syllable too many. Also, thanks Ong Seong Wu for giving CRAVITY the promo they deserve.
BTS - FLY TO MY ROOM I can't relax while listening to this, the beat is so sparse and has this nauseous sway to it that really makes me feel like I'm reliving these past 9 months of quarantine all over again. And just like quarantine, it really feels like this goddamn thing never ends. That final set of choruses is really a chore to get through, and I'm not the only one who thinks so - shout out to Taehyung for serving taste and I'm sorry Jimin convinced you to sing out of your natural range yet again.
TREASURE - MMM Ew.
I*ZONE - FIESTA It's a pretty standard girl group song up until that chorus hits and oh my god, who on earth produced this? Are they actively trying to trigger my psychosis? There are so many sounds happening that it feels like three or four demo tracks laid on top of each other, it makes me confused even trying to figure out what's going on here. And that post-chorus drop is horrendous, it's like the instrumental is literally screaming into my ear STREAM BLOOM*IZ!!! STREAM BLOOM*IZ YOU DUMB CUCK!!! YOU LOVE IT!!!
NOW FOR THE REAL LIST.
#10: TAEYEON - HAPPY
I do not like this. Taeyeon has one of the most powerful voices in the industry and instead of putting it to good use, she decided to put out the musical equivalent of eating a stick of butter. Bland, horrible texture, seems to go on forever and ever, you know you shouldn't be consuming it and you don't know why you're doing this to yourself, etc.
The MV contributed to my dislike, with Taeyeon whitewashed all the way into uncanny valley as she lounges around her beautiful apartment. Well of course you'd be happy if you lived in a place like that, I know I would. The sad thing is that there's some really nice vocal work here and there, but for the majority of the song, Taeyeon decides to serenade us in the most nasal tone that she can muster. I know she can sing better than this, and I'm disappointed in her for creating this and unleashing it on the world.
#9: WEKI MEKI - OOPSY
Whereas Picky Picky was annoying in the best way possible, Oopsy is annoying in the worst way possible. The instrumental legitimately sounds cheap, the drums sound so tinny and artificial that it's hard on the ears. Not to mention the hook, wherein the girls force their voices as high as they can go as they proclaim OOPSY!
I'm a huge fan of cute concepts, but when it comes to putting out a high-energy sugary track like this, you're walking a fine line between adorable and irritating. Weki Meki didn't even try to walk the line, they just dove headfirst into irritating territory without a care in the world. It literally feels like the audio equivalent of having to hold a whiny toddler and then it pisses itself and the mom is just cooing about how her little darling made an oopsy.
#8: VICTON - MAYDAY
It feels like for most of the year, the vast majority of boy groups were stuck in a rut, knee-deep in sludgy EDM and leather harnesses. You know the songs I'm talking about, and I could've put any one of them here, but I chose this one purely because that chorus makes me feel like I have a concussion. I don't like this song nor the trend it's representative of - I spent most of quarantine having the same dark BG concepts thrown at me over and over and I'm glad things are starting to take a bit of a turn.
The bridge on this is actually pretty great, and the guys in VICTON do know how to sing, as can be seen in the final post-chorus. But man, there's just nothing fresh being brought to the table here, just the same stale trends in their worst form yet. The hook is so slow and drowsy, the same few notes just repeated over and over. I have not seen the MV because I feel like I can picture it well enough in my head just by listening. Are there harnesses? Don't forget those, boys.
#7: MCND - SPRING
Only Pentagon are allowed to do these concepts.
#6: HYO, LOOPY, SOYEON - DESSERT
This is genuinely unlistenable as soon as the drop hits, with a vocal stitching job that might be a horn synth, I'm not sure. That's how annoying it is. The producer is clearly incompetent and the performers are oozing with personality, though not the pleasant sort. The hook is bratty and the raps here are beyond generic. After the halfway point, there are a couple interesting sounds thrown into the mix, but it's not enough to save things.
Soyeon in particular sounds awful here, with her iconic nasally tone morphing into something genuinely irritating and borderline spiteful. Age up the toddler from the Oopsy comparison to around 7 or 8 and that's basically what you've got here. All I can hope is that this song is not influential in any way, shape or form, because I just had a vision of Blackpink imitating this production style and I felt a shiver run down my spine.
#5: SECRET NUMBER - WHO DIS?
I'm not sure how many Secret Number fans are out there, but I'm about to make all of em real mad at me right about now. However, it must be said.
This is basically Your Turn by Kaachi again.
I don't think I need to explain that hot take, just listen to the song. It's surprisingly amateurish, to the point where I feel like the vocals aren't in sync and they just used the first take they got from each girl. The raps in particular are awful, and I swear they even sound like they go off-key a couple of times. How this blew up in any aspect is bizarre to me. Anyways, stream Photo Magic and stan Kaachi.
#4: BAEKHYUN - CANDY
Did you want a k-pop version of Yummy by Justin Bieber? No? Well, Baekhyun decided to make it anyways! At least Yummy was sort of funny in how bad it is, this is just...a somber affair. Inexplicably, he manages to oversing the final third of the song, which I don't get the point of, but okay. Lazy, underproduced and overproduced at the same time, bland, boring, annoying...
Wait, did he just say...
Okay, I changed my mind, this is hysterical. Like Pop rocks, strawberry, bubble gum...
#3: (G)-IDLE - DUMDI DUMDI
I'm so sick of this group's 'ethnic' schtick, it's like they never learn. They just don't give a fuck - after a string of genuinely great tracks like Hann, Lion, and Oh My God, they just decide to put out this shit and expect me to listen to it? They're a group with a lot of potential, with some brilliant vocalists and the talent that is Soyeon (who really loves being on this list, apparently) but if they continue down the path of using different cultures as concepts I can't support them any further.
The song itself has salvageable parts, a recurring theme on this list, but the over-the-top tribal influences are so obvious and tropey that even listening to it feels gross. (G)-Idle have more creative control than most groups, and the fact that they're capable of creating works of art like Lion is what makes me harsh on them. Instead of moving forward, they continue to regress into their comfort zone of cultural appropriation.
#2 YOOA - BON VOYAGE
Speaking of cultural appropriation...are we gonna address this? Nah? Okay.
Oh My Girl, YooA's parent group, has a history of blatant cultural appropriation (and arguably some legit racist moments depending on how you look at it) and they seem like they're not changing anytime soon. That's why this particular song stings even more than it probably should. If you thought Dumdi Dumdi's tribal influences were a little too on the nose, take a listen to this chorus.
YooA has a bad voice, is wearing tribal face paint, and is running around the wilderness whitewashed into oblivion while a choir of nameless voices chant vaguely tribal things behind her. Even in an industry like k-pop, this sticks out as something in bafflingly poor taste, and I can't see how she got away with this in 2020.
#1 BLACKPINK & SELENA GOMEZ - ICE CREAM
Well, this is a predictable pick.
I don't know why or how Blackpink thought they could get away with drip-feeding blinks content for 4 goddamn years in the lead-up to their first album, only to drop this big fat clunker on them. I honestly felt insulted by the song, from its cheap, tinny production to the god-awful lyrics. I don't know how anyone could find any value in a piece of music this soulless and hollow.
Lisa's raps are by far the worst part of it, with FIRE BARS such as "you're the one been chosen, play the part like moses" and "mona lisa kinda lisa". Unfortunately, these raps take up a good portion of the song, and there's nothing going on in the instrumental to distract you from them, save for that little ice cream truck jingle. (or at least I think that's what the producer was going for)
Selena is a non-presence and essentially blends in with the girls, who WAIL that awful hook like their lives depend on it. Also, there's some really cheesy innuendos here that're sung with all the sex appeal of the actual ice cream truck driver from literally your neighborhood.
I loathe what this song represents - the only good thing about it is that the girls look stunning in the MV. And that's exactly the thing - this song represents the exact moment in time wherein Blackpink admitted to their audience that music is no longer their main focus. This is the peak of their influencer-ization, and only time will tell if they'll redeem themselves. (Spoiler: They sort of did, goddammit.)
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It’s the first by a woman to log its first four weeks on the chart at No. 1 since 2015.
Taylor Swift’s Folklore is No. 1 on the Billboard 200 albums chart for a fourth straight week, becoming the first album by a woman to spend its first four weeks at No. 1 in nearly five years.
Folklore earned 101,000 equivalent album units in the U.S. in the week ending Aug. 20 (down 26%), according to Nielsen Music/MRC Data. It’s the fourth straight week the set has tallied at least 100,000 units -- a rarity for a non-R&B or hip-hop album.
Folklore launched at No. 1 on the chart dated Aug. 8 with 846,000 units -- the biggest week of 2020, and the largest for any album since Swift’s last release, Lover, bowed at No. 1 with 867,000 units on the Sept. 7, 2019, chart.
The Billboard 200 chart ranks the most popular albums of the week in the U.S. based on multi-metric consumption as measured in equivalent album units. Units comprise album sales, track equivalent albums (TEA) and streaming equivalent albums (SEA). Each unit equals one album sale, or 10 individual tracks sold from an album, or 3,750 ad-supported or 1,250 paid/subscription on-demand official audio and video streams generated by songs from an album. The new Aug. 29-dated chart (where Folklore spends a fourth week at No. 1) will be posted in full on Billboard's website on Aug. 25.
Of Folklore’s units earned in the newest tracking week, SEA units comprise 53,000 (down 22%, equaling 70.48 million on-demand streams of the album’s songs), album sales total 46,000 (down 31%) and TEA units equal 2,000 (up 73%).
In the week ending Aug. 20, Folklore benefited from the release of a deluxe version of the album at digital retailers and streamers that added a bonus track, “The Lakes,” which was previously exclusive to the physical formats of the album. In addition, Swift dropped new merchandise/album bundles in her official webstore and sold signed Folklore CDs at independent record stores (which generated buzz with Swift fans and indie store owners).
Concurrently, three different Folklore singles are continuing to make inroads at radio. On the most recently published airplay charts (dated Aug. 22, reflecting the tracking week ending Aug. 16), former No. 1 Billboard Hot 100 hit “Cardigan” climbed 22-18 on the Pop Songs airplay chart; “Exile,” featuring Bon Iver, rose 27-29 on the Adult Alternative Songs airplay tally and “Betty” bounced 52-49 on Country Airplay.
100,000 Units in Four Weeks: As Folklore earned 101,000 equivalent album units in its fourth week, it’s just the second album in 2020 to yield at least 100,000 units in each of its first four weeks. Beginning in July, rapper Pop Smoke’s Shoot for the Stars Aim for the Moon also saw its first four weeks tally at least 100,000 units. (Another hip-hop set, Juice WRLD’s Legends Never Die, is the only other album with four weeks of 100,000-plus units in 2020, but they were nonconsecutive.)
Folklore is the first non-R&B/hip-hop album to earn four weeks of 100,000-plus units since Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper’s A Star Is Born soundtrack notched a fourth, and final, nonconsecutive week of 100,000-plus units on March 9, 2019.
Further, Folklore is the first non-R&B/hip-hop effort to see its first four weeks each earn 100,000-plus since Swift’s own Reputation (Dec. 2-23, 2017).
First Album by a Woman to Spend Its First Four Weeks at No. 1 Since 2015: As Folklore spends a fourth week at No. 1, it becomes the first album by a woman to rule for its first four weeks since Adele’s 25 topped the list in its first seven weeks (of its total of 10 nonconsecutive weeks at No. 1). 25 debuted at No. 1 on the Dec. 12, 2015-dated chart, and was No. 1 through Jan. 23, 2016. It then returned to No. 1 on Feb. 13, 2016 for one week, and then for two more weeks on March 5-12, 2016.
The last album by any act to spend its first four weeks at No. 1 -- and the only other album to do so in 2020 aside from Folklore -- was The Weeknd’s After Hours (April 4-25).
Since Adele’s 25, the only albums by women with four total weeks at No. 1 are Swift’s Reputation (four weeks; with three in a row between Dec. 2-16, 2017, and one more at No. 1 on Jan. 6, 2018) and Lady Gaga’s A Star Is Born soundtrack, with Bradley Cooper (four weeks; with three consecutive between Oct. 20 and Nov. 3, 2018, and one more on March 9, 2019).
Bonus fun fact: Folklore is Swift's first album to spend its first four weeks at No. 1. She previously saw three albums (Red, 1989 and Speak Now) each tally their first three weeks at No. 1.
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Mina Tindle Interview: A Natural Frame
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BY JORDAN MAINZER
The release of Mina Tindle’s SISTER last October was supposed to be accompanied by an ambitious live show and an hour-long film made up of visuals for its nine captivating songs. After all, these sorts of artistic deep dives are what the project of Pauline de Lassus is all about. But when it became clear last summer--the summer of COVID-19--that neither could be easily achieved or achieved any time soon, de Lassus let go of her inhibitions. Recorded and filmed during a specific time last summer in France when the virus was more under control and travel/lockdown restrictions were somewhat lifted, The LFO/Blogothèque Sessions present stripped-back versions of some songs from SISTER as well as a track that didn’t make the cut. With help from Kate Stables (This Is The Kit), de Lassus’ husband Bryce Dessner (The National), and David Chalmin, and in collaboration with French production company La Blogothèque, de Lassus presents the songs in new ways. The percussive gallop of “Fire and Sun” presents itself more in Dessner’s guitar in the live version. Vocal harmonies and guitar take the place of beats and strings on “Belle Pénitence”. A cover of Sufjan Stevens’ “Give A Little Love”, whose album version features Stevens and his quintessentially Reichian arpeggios, is all about the harmonies between de Lassus and Stables. And “Indigo”, never recorded, is buoyed by Dessner’s spritely, finger-picked guitar.
As much as these sessions have the feel of a fleeting moment--that should the group have decided to play them on, say, a different day, that they would take another shape--they’re also very much a product of place. For one, it wouldn’t have happened had de Lassus been somewhere without access to a studio, let alone with lesser restrictions. The accompanying videos--just as much a part of the release as the audio--were shot from de Lassus and Dessner’s new home in the South of France, where they moved from Paris with their child. The almost mystical, beautiful quality of the surroundings makes me think of what de Lassus told me over the phone last month about “the fantasy of having a live show.” With a camera capturing moments where the group decided to just go for it, it’s got that live quality, but like the best “live albums,” make you hungry to experience the music in person for yourself.
The LFO/Blogothèque Sessions was released on Friday via 37d03d, the “people” label. (“They give their artists a lot of freedom and love,” de Lassus said. “They’re amazing...I don’t think I would have put the record out if it wasn’t with them.”) Read our conversation about adapting the songs to a new setting, edited for length and clarity.
Since I Left You: Did you always want to do stripped-down versions of these songs, or was the occasion of lockdown restrictions being lifted the inspiration?
Pauline de Lassus: Something I love doing is having nice visuals or working on videos. I had a big project for this record, a film the length of the 9 songs--I wanted to make a movie. But it was a totally different object, an homage to [Norman] McLaren. I wanted to do a one-hour long video. Everything was cancelled because of COVID, and I ended up doing all the videos myself. Do it yourself, like back in the days. I chose women I love dancing, and it was nice to work on. But it’s really nice when it’s professional. I knew there would not be any shows for this record--maybe in a few years. So I had the idea of trying to capture that. I did it with basically family--Kate Stables, Bryce is my husband, and David is a really close friend. Doing it in the safest environment possible. It was really nice.
SILY: Was it natural to strip down these songs? How did you adapt them to the setting?
Pauline: We just played them. We kind of worked on it with Bryce a bit. He’s really good at that. When I got the chance to tour with The National, I saw they record an album and know all the songs, because they work on it for months. We did maybe four days of rehearsal in Paris to start the tour, and that was it, and after four days, they played the songs over and over. There were like 50 of them. By the end they went on stage and just played the music. I remember thinking, “Woah.” My way of doing it would be to overplay or overwork them to try to get the right version instead of just playing the music. It’s more the fact that they play it a lot that it turned into something they like. Because these songs were so minimal, we didn’t have to sing too much.
SILY: It seems like certain qualities of the songs you kept but achieved them in a different way, like the forward gallop in the drum beat on the SISTER version of “Fire and Sun”, you get more in the guitar here, whereas for “Belle Pénitence”, the emphasis is more on the vocal harmonies and the guitar than on the strings and the beats like on SISTER. Did that, too, kind of come naturally from just playing them?
Pauline: I think we just played them. I love making records. It’s one of the things I love doing the most. I don’t mind if it takes 5 years, and I don’t mind a quick record, but working in the studio is a really different process. You can add all the things you want. It’s kind of magic. These days, it’s not on tape, so you can erase the minute after. It’s really an experimental place.
Playing them [live], I have one of the greatest musicians and guitar players in Bryce. He can get the essence of the song really easily. And the soul of Kate, we love singing together; every time, something happens. I think it was a way to sing with more space. We weren’t trying to mimic any existing version, which is great, because I’ve been touring with Mina Tindle for years where the expectation was I am trying to mimic the record. The up-tempo song had to be up-tempo. This time, it was extremely free. It was really nice, because what I needed was really little. Two instruments, two singers, that’s it. We wanted to play them acoustic, which is sometimes a challenge.
SILY: What you said about playing them with more space really stood out to me on the EP version of “Indian Summer”. You have this piano ballad as opposed to something that’s more all over the place.
Pauline: I love both! In the past, I’ve been slow at making records. Sometimes, I just have the demo, and it’s the first draft, and it’s good. That’s why I like the idea of having a live recording, because it has to be straight and honest right away. In a way, I feel like you interpret it differently, also, because it’s one shot. Maybe we had two shots, but there was no editing.
SILY: How did you get around not having Sufjan’s presence on “Give A Little Love”?
Pauline: When I sing that song, I always try to be at the level of his song. He’s the sweetest person, so he couldn’t care less--he’d give me freedom to adapt the song [even] metal or AC/DC style. He’s a free mind. It’s sweet because I’m more shy when it’s my songs, but I love covering songs that I love. [Feist and I] did this tribute to Lhasa de Sela, who is one of my favorite singers ever. She passed away when she was really young. We had a love for her music and ended up making a show that we played in London and France and Ireland and Berlin, where we were covering her songs. It was one of my favorite things to do. It’s an ode to my love to music, whereas when I sing my songs, I feel more shy or intimidated to open up. Sometimes, I really wonder why I open my heart. When it’s someone else, I feel happy they’re connecting.
SILY: What’s the story behind the new song on this release, “Indigo”?
Pauline: “Indigo” is the black sheep of the record. It was many people’s favorite song, but I had 5 versions of it I couldn’t choose from. When I ended up not putting it on SISTER, I was really happy. I felt relieved. I didn’t know where to put it. I tried to mix it with different people, but it was never right. Kate had sung that song with me many times, so she knew it, and this was the right way to do it. I felt totally fine presenting that version. This EP is a way to free up any vision. It is what it is. That’s why it was on that record, because we really wanted to sing that song together. It’s a story of a separation, if I remember correctly. Losing each other. I remember being obsessed with the idea of losing someone you really love. It was not my personal life; fortunately, I was doing pretty okay. But having a kid is a total volcano in your life, and I was looking at many people around me who seemed to not be okay, living through that experience, so it was a song about how you can tear apart when something’s supposed to make you closer.
SILY: You could have a whole rarities release of different versions of “Indigo” as your next release.
Pauline: Yeah. I don’t think anybody would like to listen to it. [laughs] The same song four times.
SILY: What’s the story behind the cover art of this release?
Pauline: It’s Kate and I dancing. We were really happy because we did [the recording] in two days. We had an extra day with her, so we did some stuff for her, and we were just dancing. There was a huge storm--the weather where we are is crazy. It can rain and be super shiny in twenty minutes. So we had this crazy summer storm and started dancing as if it was a mirror and improvising the dancing. We are not dancers. [laughs] But we had a lot of fun. This red window is the typical colors of the architecture in the region. It’s actually in my house. I’ve already taken so many pictures of people inside and outside that window, because the window reflects the landscape behind. It’s so beautiful. It’s like a natural frame, and whatever you put inside, it’s kind of logical.
SILY: Are you planning or able to do live shows or live streams?
Pauline: As I told you, I intended to do way bigger or ambitious thing at first, because I kind of hate videos for music--or I never watch them. For me, the music is not more important, but enough. So when you do videos, it’s nice when you have something unique. We couldn’t do that movie I was thinking about, so putting money into trying to make a beautiful live performance was it. I was happy with it.
A livestream, maybe under certain conditions, but it’s a really strange period where even more than before, while I’m happy to give and share what I’m creating, but privacy is more something I’m into these days.
SILY: Livestreams do have that bedroom aspect.
Pauline: It’s kind of an exhibitionist thing I’ve never had. I’ve always felt conflicted about it with social media. It’s like opening your house to people. I’m not judging people who do it--you can do it really healthily--but I don’t feel comfortable. So far, I’ve said no to a lot of stuff.
SILY: Some of the best ones I’ve seen have skirted the home recording feel because they’re recorded at an actual venue and professionally edited. It’s not really live, but it’s at least for the time being something a little bit in between.
Pauline: We should look forward to live shows coming back, not necessarily doing bad performances. Like with social media, we now see 30-second music extracts, like on TikTok. The quality is not getting better. We don’t have to share everything the universe is offering to us. Sometimes it’s better to hold back and wait. That’s totally my point, though. Of course, when you’re in your 20s, you should do whatever you want to do, but at this point in my life, I don’t feel the urge to constantly express myself. I’m just old, you know? [laughs]
SILY: What else have you been up to lately?
Pauline: I’m doing a lot of things not related to music. I’m illustrating a book that’s more for children. It’s around music. I’m busy spending my days painting and drawing, and I love it. It’s creative, but it’s nice to take a break from music. The final collection is gonna be really cool.
SILY: Anything you’ve been listening to, watching, or reading lately that’s caught your attention?
Pauline: Besides two children’s books a week. You can see there’s a big switch in illustrations for kids books. You can spend a whole day at the library in the kid’s section. It’s so impressive and beautiful.
My knowledge in feminism was really bad, so the last 6 months, I’ve been reading everything I can on the subject and listening to podcasts. It’s basically my routine. I thought I wasn’t feminist, but I am.
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SPOILER-FREE REVIEW: Chess of Blades [R18 BL Visual Novel]
This spoiler-free review will cover Chess of Blades’ overarching plot, gameplay, the relationships between our main lead Rivian and the men he can potentially romance within the game, and an overview of the side characters.
There will be mentions of the R18 nature of the game, but I will not go in-depth with any of the sex scenes.
The Plot
The story is mostly the same throughout each of the routes: Rivian Varrison, son of a nobleman, is sent on his family’s behalf to attend a grand celebration by the king of his kingdom. While there, he slowly becomes entangled in a terrible occurrence, and also happens to fall in love with the one he investigates it with.
Though the exact “terrible occurrence” varies from route to route, it is all tied to the same antagonist(s) in the end. However, the bonus route is not as well-put together, and there’s a lot left unanswered and undeveloped about the antagonists aside from their main goal and imminent defeat. It’s pretty one-sided, even when you combine information from all four of the routes. The antagonists do explain their motives, but there’s not much nuanced thought given to their justified anger by the “good guys”. I think it would’ve been an interesting angle to explore in more depth, but unfortunately it never really does get that treatment throughout every route.
Even though it’s rather clear that romance is this game’s main feature, the story itself is genuinely intriguing without being overly complicated and heavy. All in all, it’s a plus for those who are more interested in the Smooching And Fucking Hot Guys aspect of the game.
The Game Itself
There is a censored, PG-13 version of the game available for purchase as well as the R18 patch. Was that R18 patch worth it? My answer is I don’t know. akldjflakds
Unfortunately I’m the type of person who watches other people’s full playthroughs rather than actually playing games myself. Because of the nature of the playthrough I watched, I could not see uncensored art of the R18 scenes, though I’ve heard opinions ranging from “it’s good” to “it’s not that great”. The audio was perfectly fine to me though.
For those wondering how I could possibly blaspheme gamers like this (/s), I wouldn’t worry: Chess of Blades has EXTREMELY little actual gameplay elements beyond a few pick-one-choice-or-the-other scenarios. There are zero skills to level up or interaction points to gain or anything. You click choices sometimes and just watch the rest as it unfolds.
The OST was lovely and memorable. The voice acting was also pretty nice, though sometimes people sounded unnatural. One side character, Kieran, sounds super, duper American when everyone else sounds British or Scottish or Welsh. And even then, his accent happens to be the only consistent one, since everyone talking in a different accent tends to slip out of their “posh noble voices” every now and then.
The routes can be played in any order; personally, the best order is Arden - Linnaeus - Franz - Sabre, if you want to play his route.
The Lead
The game is definitely made with (presumably cishet) female players in mind. Rivian’s tsundere-adjacent sharp tongue, general twinkishness, and pretty face combined with the fact that he bottoms in every relationship all pretty much solidify him as a potential self-insert for cishet women playing the game. Not to mention all the times he’s compared to a kitten or something else otherwise considered cute.
However, Rivian is a lot more than the stereotypes he often gets associated with. He is introverted, but sets himself apart as someone who is capable and has a strong will. And even though he has a sharp tongue, it’s not to go “B-Baka!” all the time. He’s plenty sarcastic even when it comes to banal things, and I enjoyed the humor he brought. Even if I can clearly see who Rivian’s character is designed for, I still love him dearly because he’s an interesting lead and a fun protagonist to watch.
The Love Interests
Let’s start with Arden Raynsford.
His route had what I consider the best relationship development-- there’s history, there’s clearing up misunderstandings from the past, there’s making up and moving forward into a more intimate, tender relationship-- what more could you want from a childhood friend romance?
His interactions with Rivian seem the most complex because of their prior baggage with one another, and because of that the development in Arden’s route felt most natural among all routes, main or bonus. It had the right mix of sweet fluff and bitter angst that checks off everything in my list of things I’d like a fictional relationship to have.
The resolution of both the story plot and their personal grievances with each other makes Arden’s route probably the most well-rounded, if I had to say. The climax (pun unintended) feels well-deserved and well-led to.
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Next, Linnaeus Glaucia.
His character archetype-- “cool, calm, vaguely smug guy with glasses and long hair and probably a stick up his ass”-- is almost always my favorite in these sorts of games, so I enjoyed his arc a lot. However! There are reasons other than that for why I praise this route too.
Despite all their differences, Linnaeus and Rivian actually have pretty good chemistry with each other-- their sarcasm and biting banter make for witty fun when they’re bickering and great, heated passion when the mood is more romantic and longing. Even though Linnaeus doesn’t have history with Rivian personally the way Arden does, the buildup is equally well-crafted and the intimate scenes between them (both romantic and sexual) feel well-deserved.
The “final battle”-sort of scenario was also rather interesting in how it deviated from the usual one in other routes-- less high-tension, but still important to how the route concludes. Political intrigue isn’t all fighting and uncovering secret plots behind grand parties by the nobility and royalty, after all. Sometimes, it’s Ace Attorney in an AU gay medieval kingdom.
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Third, Franz Chaumont.
Despite him being my least favorite of the three main love interests, it seems rather clear that his route is something like a “true end”, because it’s the only one to my recollection that actually has any obvious chess metaphors in it-- and is also the only route to explain why Rivian’s father sent him to the King’s week-long celebration party by himself to begin with.
I don’t hate Franz completely, because he very clearly has depth and insecurities beyond his sly, perverted quips. However, it is incredibly hard to dismiss how so much of his dialogue and flirty seduction borders on harassment if it doesn’t outright lend itself to assault. Rivian is willing, but it’s still pretty uncomfortable to see how rough Franz is and how much their sexual intimacy and banter relies on toeing the line between consent and the lack of it.
As a person of color, the “exotic seductive tan foreigner” trope severely diminished my enjoyment of Franz’s route. Franz is easily the most sexualized of all the characters, albeit as a domineering top rather than as an object. Perhaps if Franz was flirtatious on occasion rather than being overwhelmingly possessive or “slutty” for the majority of every route, I would be able to appreciate his development and the resolution of his route’s story arc more. It’s a shame, because I actually enjoyed nearly everything happening in his route plot-wise post-masquerade ball.
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And finally, Sabre.
His is the only bonus route in the game (as the bonus route planned for side character Silas, to my knowledge, was unable to reach its goal tier for funding). Sabre’s route is nice bonus fun if you just wanna see him and Rivian get together and get it on. If not, no worries.
My opinion on this route is mixed. It’s very clearly a bonus route. There are issues with the audio volume in Sabre’s dialogue; it fluctuates from too loud to too soft and can’t be fixed. Any other issues I had (accents, Kieran) are mentioned in other sections.
Despite this, I found Sabre and Rivian’s eventual affections for each other sweet (and actually enjoyed more than Rivian’s relationship with Franz). Sabre himself is perfectly fine as a character-- a fighter falling in love with a nobleman? Neat stuff. It’s hard to rationalize it when you turn on your brain and question the actual progression, but if you can turn your brain off and just let it happen, all the power to you.
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The Side Characters
Mostly women here. This is a BL game, so I expected any and all girls to take the back burner here in terms of importance, but a surprising number of them are plot relevant-- even if it is in one route more than others. The only characters I’m putting here are the ones with names.
Let’s start with the side characters who are in all three main routes:
Emily and her daughter Hazel are both maids. With as little elaboration as possible, these two have a sweet parent-child relationship and are tied to the goings-on surrounding the mysterious events at the King’s celebration. They’re enjoyable, cute, and strong in their own ways.
Silas, the butler who was meant to get a bonus route but sadly was unable to. I have my theories and headcanons about him, but overall, he’s a pretty funny, sly wingman for Rivian’s romances. Even when he’s not being humorous, he is genuine.
Celeste is an ambassador’s daughter. Confident and sometimes snarky, she has a lot of helpful information under her thumb. She’s often seen with Alistair who somehow didn’t have plans for a bonus route to begin with even though he’s so cute! The injustice of it all! I’d LOVE to romance him, dammit!. He is nervous and shy with a stutter, and tends to get dragged around by Celeste throughout their time at the castle and festival.
And the ones who were in only one or two routes:
Raphael, Linnaeus’s gaudy cousin who flirts with Rivian and has a few bright ideas under that hat of his. He’s easy to hate, so I like to call it a job well done.
Valora, Rivian’s prissy, no-nonsense aunt who has a high position in the King’s court. Though she only appears in Franz’s route, she was definitely intriguing.
And finally, Kieran, Sabre’s fighting friend. I... really have no clue why he’s here. He’s not at all plot relevant, he’s just Sabre’s best friend. A nice dude who tags along and sometimes teases Sabre and Rivian in Sabre’s route. And for some reason gets to have a threesome with them even though he has nearly ZERO bearing on the story.
...But you didn’t hear that from me. /coughs
Kieran tends to bring out the worst of my gripes with this game, but I wouldn’t let that deter you-- my dislike for him doesn’t even hold a candle to the rest of the VN and how much I enjoyed it overall.
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To summarize: All the characters are interesting, almost all the characters are plot relevant, and both the story and potential relationships you can have with the love interests develop pretty well. There are a few slip-ups here and there, but if you enjoy games with few gameplay elements beyond reading the story and a focus on romance, I absolutely recommend you give this game a try.
Is Chess of Blades a subversive LGBT masterpiece? No. But it was definitely the most fun I’ve had recently with a gay western-made indie visual novel.
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Review: Lloyd the Monkey 2
Back before TSSZ News imploded, I would often do write-ups for many of the games at the Sonic Amateur Games Expo (SAGE). SAGE is an annual online expo that I started all the way back in September of 2000. I personally ran SAGE for over a year, and remained deeply hands on for at least another two years as it continued to grow. The main focus of SAGE was primarily to showcase fangames, in particular Sonic fangames, but the event never limited itself to any one type of game. It's never been uncommon to see original games appear in the lineup -- especially now, given the modern indie scene.
One such original game was Lloyd the Monkey, a bit of a strange game, written in Javascript of all things and run through a webpage. That by itself was notable enough to stand out from most of the games at SAGE, but Lloyd was also a completely original product created by someone who possibly seemed to be young and new to game development. Making games is no easy feat, especially when they’re written in Javascript and you’re doing tons of original artwork yourself. Taken as that whole, the game impressed me, even if it was more than a little rough around the edges.
Now we have Lloyd the Monkey 2, written in Unity. The developer, Noah Meyer, sent me a Steam key in order to review the game. Up top, I just want to say how I think it’s kind of brave to go all the way in putting the game on Steam and everything. It felt like just a few years ago, newer indie developers sort of had to work up to releasing their game on Steam, usually getting a few releases under their belt first. People view games differently when they’re asked to pay for them, and critics may not be so willing to let circumstances influence their review. It can be a harsh world out there for a beginner.
Lloyd 2 is a much bigger, more ambitious game than the first. Whereas the original Lloyd didn’t even have sound effects, Lloyd 2 introduces voiced cutscenes, some of which are full-on animated cinematics. Quality is about what you would expect -- I would assume the developer sought out friends and acquaintances to voice characters in Lloyd 2, leading to wildly varying audio quality due to differences in recording hardware. Lloyd himself sounds fine, but some of the other characters are a bit quiet, while others have clear background noise. Nothing I heard was unlistenable, however.
The story is also a little hard to follow. Not much is done to refresh our memories as to who anyone is or what’s going on, we’re just kind of thrown into the middle of things and turned loose. On one hand, it’s nice that the story doesn’t slow the pace of the gameplay down too much. On the other, you’re given a map screen with different objectives to clear but there’s very little context as to what you’re doing or why. At one point I made my way to the end of a Power Plant level only to confront what appeared to be an evil monkey. Despite a whole cutscene involving a conversation between four or five different people, this evil monkey never seemed to say a single word. He just stood there in total silence with a sinister smile. Then I killed him.
I suppose maybe I missed something, however. With greater ambitions comes a number of unfortunate bugs in Lloyd 2, one of which happened not long after our monkey and his crew landed on planet Grecia. I entered what appeared to be a castle to talk to the Queen, but I think the game expected me to take a lower route, where I was apparently meant to overhear the Queen making secret preparations before my arrival. Instead, I took the direct route straight to her chambers, and triggered the cutscene with Lloyd standing in front of her while ominous music played, even though the camera was still clearly focused on the next floor down. I apparently still had some amount of control, because midway through her dialog I touched a teleporter that sent me to the game’s map screen before she was done talking. If that cutscene was meant to give context to what I was doing, I didn’t get a chance to see it.
That was one of the more harmless bugs in my time spent playing Lloyd 2. Harder to ignore was the fact that, within the first 30 seconds of getting control, I soft locked the game. Lloyd 2 opens with a short prologue section where you play as a man with black hair. If you decide to ignore the obvious and go left instead of right, you quickly run out of solid level tiles and begin falling indefinitely. Later areas feature invisible walls presumably to prevent this exact scenario, but for whatever reason they weren’t implemented in the prologue.
For the most part, Lloyd 2 seems to be a co-op game. Many levels see Lloyd teamed up with an alien princess named Lura, with gameplay vaguely reminiscent of Mega Man X crossed with the tag mechanic from Sonic Mania’s Encore Mode. At the touch of a button, you can switch between the Swordsman Lloyd and the more projectile-based Lura… assuming your partner is still alive, I guess. While playing alone, your partner is controlled by artificial intelligence, but it’s incredibly basic and prone to accidentally committing suicide. That wouldn’t be such a big deal (considering Tails in Sonic 2 never acted in self-preservation either), but once your partner dies, they stay dead. Your only option to bring them back is to either restart the stage or hope another cutscene triggers, since they’ll magically spring back to life in order to say their dialog (though, again, usually only seconds before they fall back into the next death pit).
This might not be much of a problem, depending on your viewpoint. There’s not much incentive to switch between Lloyd and Lura, so once you pick whoever you think works the best, chances are, you’ll just stick with them. You do unlock special team-up attacks after beating each boss, but this just reinforces the idea that Lloyd the Monkey 2 is meant to be experienced with another person holding a second controller, as most of the team-up attacks require both characters to do something specific that the single player artificial intelligence usually can’t interpret. Regardless, the team-up attacks never seem strictly necessary to progress, so they can be safely ignored if you’re playing solo.
I understand this is a pretty negative review I’ve written here. Lloyd the Monkey 2 aims high and tries to the best of its ability to get there. I assume it was a struggle to get even this far. Making games is hard work, and like any skill, takes practice to get good at. Just because this is Lloyd the Monkey 2 doesn’t mean Noah Meyer, its developer, is automatically an expert. I'm sure he's doing his best, and, quality aside, this game has a lot of heart put into it. This isn’t something cheap, quick, or lazy. It’s really, genuinely trying, and that matters.
I’ve said a few times here and there that I see pieces of myself in the releases of Lloyd the Monkey, and I still see them here. I remember, for an early SAGE event, I was working on a fangame project of mine called The Fated Hour. I was probably already a year or two or maybe even three deep in the game by now, and after a lot of hyping up the community, this was their first chance to play the game. I spent months and months coding this iteration of my engine, and by my standards back then, it seemed like bleeding edge technology. I felt like I was going to blow everyone's minds.
It was a mess. Few were impressed. Even worse, the game straight up didn’t even run correctly for some people. What followed was multiple patches, and even rebuilding some entire areas from scratch. My ambitions got the better of me and I unintentionally cut corners -- not because I was trying to cheap out on doing proper development, but just because I simply didn’t know any better. I may have done the best I knew how to do, but I was running faster than my body could keep up with and I stumbled.
When I see things like the missing invisible walls in the prologue, or how easily partner characters commit suicide by accident, I think back to that demo for The Fated Hour, and how I've been in this exact place myself. There’s even a side quest in Lloyd 2 where you have to track a floating girl as she drifts through a level -- there was a nearly identical set piece in The Fated Hour, where you were chasing a robot. It’s a very strange feeling to see something like that and think, “I’ve been here before.” Like looking through a window at a younger version of yourself.
It’s true that I stumbled, but I didn’t let that stop me. I learned by doing. I kept going. Three years later, a game of mine was featured on TV, leading to more than a million downloads. The mistakes of past projects did not weigh me down and I soldiered onwards, newfound knowledge in hand.
So where does that leave us with Lloyd the Monkey 2, then. Well, it's not exactly a game to compete with Super Mario Odyssey, but given the circumstances in which it was created, I don't think that's necessarily the point. As a learning experience clearly made for the fun of its own creation, I think it's a success. And who knows what awaits in the years to come?
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