Things I find frustrating/uninteresting while reading Cherik fics*:
Writers treating Charles like he should be omniscient, and siding with Erik on anything.
Letting Erik get away with everything, making Charles the one who should "change" -insert wtf???? meme-
Opposite situation where Charles life trauma is worse than Erik's?????? WHAT? Or making Charles not capable of coping with his own trauma - something he's been, honestly, awesome at throughout all the movies, except for that brief decade of break down (much deserved cause fucking hell, poor guy, just wish those closest to him weren't assholes, except Hank for that time being)
Agreeing with Erik on Mystique's choice of no clothes, like he wasn't being a fucking WEIRDO.
Babifying Charles or Raven.
Justifying Erik's fears of Charles' powers, like WHAT? WHAT? Like, I know the movies never go into how people treat Charles' mutation, but, like, come on! I'm so sick of seeing Charles bend over backwards for people who don't do the same for him. (Genuinely in character for Charles, not me dissing your writing, me just tired of Charles getting the short end of the stick)
Sadly accurate to the movies, but Raven being a little brat, and everyone treating her with kid gloves.
Erik being mad at Charles for leaving him in prison, like Charles did NOT owe Erik anything, Erik knew that. He wasn't upset at Charles for not doing anything about that. He was upset that Charles seemingly didn't do anything for the rest of mutant-kind. I just think Erik bitching about that is ludicrous, considering Erik left Charles on a fuckin beach surrounded by, to his knowledge, enemies. He's got no fuckin grounds to be pissy.
Another sadly movie accurate thing, Erik thinking Charles should be just able to DO fucking anything, looking down on Charles for sitting in his mansion teaching kids and giving them a safe haven, and acting like that isn't enough? When Erik is the REASON Charles can't DO more. When we saw Charles being VERY active when he had mobility with his legs. Like, holy fuck, are you for REAL, fam?
Just in general people thinking Charles should train his kids to be soldiers???? Everyone's on crack, I swear.
This should be higher but I don't tend to read these fics, Charles not being disabled. Like, I do get it, it's harder to write, most people wont understand the perspective until they research more on it (which would be good for everyone to do) though I get why people don't. Not against fics like this, but they do feel a bit like a cop out so I tend to avoid.
Im biased but like, Charles' transgressions are WAY lower than Erik's. Like, they are SO not on the same level of cruelty. A little valid to make Raven say shit like they are (She's like that in the movies, and genuinely pisses me off), but god, that's partially why her character became so irritating to me.
*Not saying these fics are bad or anything, nor me saying they should change and be the way I would like them, just me being exasperated with X-Men movies, and sometimes fandom stuff I disagree with, so I gotta write it all out and am curious if others feel the same.
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What are some of the goofiest and/or dumbest shenanigans Seph, Gen, and Angeal have ever gotten into together?
There are too many. So here's one.
Angeal had coupons for free mini golf. And the man is so frugal that he is NOT missing out on free shit.
It's hooky time. Three imposing, scary soldiers shuffling about a literal children's mini golf course, surrounded by increasingly colorful and abstract images of dolphins, dinosaurs, giant squids, rainbows, and off-model unicorns.
Genesis is, of course, completely cocky and INSISTING that he can get a hole in one every time. He smugly makes a big grand display on his first hole and immediately hits it halfway across the facility, landing it squarely in the moat. Angeal doesn't do much better, hitting several poles and denting several models. This quickly devolves into an argument between Genesis and Angeal, which further escalates into a full fledged competition between them, screaming and squabbling at each other while fighting for superiority over a children's game.
Sephiroth (who hit the hole in one without even being noticed by the others), gets bored within seconds after his first try. He wanders off to retrieve Genesis and Angeal's various fly balls before eventually tiring of that and going to find the snack bar. He plops in the shade and passively tosses them a thumbs up every time they manage to hit the ball in a way that doesn't involve clubbing someone on accident.
Angeal and Genesis' final scores are so bad that neither of them will speak of it out loud. They sit there sulking and grumbling throughout the taxi ride back, Sephiroth blithely oblivious as he sits between them, happily enjoying his slushie.
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Hellooo mun!!! If you met your muse (or muses, if you wanna do both or just the birb) how do you think that interaction would go like?
((omg hello!! gosh ahsjdk tbh i never really thought about it because i don't even like the idea of any of the actual canon characters interacting with me personally [see: @dolasach's reason for existence + this blog honestly just being made so that i could have a reason to interact with the rp blogs without having to bring out my oc] but this did get me thinking >v<
for the crow:
crows are honestly extremely rare where i live, at most i see them as small black figures in the sky when they're flying off. so if i got the meet the crow irl i think i'd be genuinely thrilled?
as in. i would go through the motions of trying to befriend the thing and also play the part of a fool that tries to feed a mechanical bird ;-; i'd hope that it'd be like what's going on with yvonne, but i'm not talkative enough with animals to get any sort of emotional investment out of anyone at onychinus hq for what drama might be going on in my life. so like. i'd just be a running joke to the engineers for being a reason why the bird keeps coming back with a chassis full of food lol
for dolasach:
okay so like. i so CLEARLY imagine myself to meet her because of some art event where she's a guest, like a lecture or workshop or gallery exhibit opening. she'd have such a particular vibe to her, i feel? that would make it shockingly easy for me to actually reach out and ask questions about her craft (if it were a gallery opening) or ask some really thorough questions + start a bit of banter (if its a workshop) even if her gaze would be so intense i might die on the spot <-aroace but not immune to cool hot people.
i think it would go fairly well, i don't think i've ever left bad impressions on more important people i've interacted with and half the time end up befriending them + i want to believe i'd get a genuine laugh from her 😭 that's all i want oml))
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Do you think sephiroth can sing? How about Angeal and Genesis?
Genesis is an extremely good singer, and has charmed many people through the use of his talents. He is a complete mic-hog and refuses to get offstage until he's had at least three numbers.
Angeal is...average. Really no better or worse than someone's dad at karaoke. He does his best.
Sephiroth is quite terrible. His voice is so deep that he has absolutely no idea how to properly utilize it, so it's all over the place. Genesis keeps offering lessons in harmonizing and Sephiroth keeps grumpily rejecting them.
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TLDR at the bottom, as I know this became very long. My apologies.
I would really like to clarify first that I am not arguing with you or attempting to make you like her and am just attempting to explain my stance since you seemed confused about specifically this: as someone who is very solidly for mage rights in the Dragon Age games and also really likes Vivienne, I do think you overestimate how many fans she has? Which is completely understandable as fandom has cooled a little bit in the last few years, which means there’s less discourse posts floating around, but it used to be that if I found Vivienne content it was vitriolic towards her—she has a canonical Ao3 tag labeled “Vivienne (Dragon Age) Is A Bitch” for example.
We’re not prone to criticizing her character on the regular because she already gets a lot of it, on about the same level as Anders (whom I also am very fond of) and most of it has already been said before.
For examples though, her arguments about mages are genuinely infuriating and make little sense.
She is fantastically racist in the game, which is also very frustrating, though to be fair to her, I’m having trouble thinking of a companion who isn’t at some point or another without ability to correct them (Dorian supporting slavery and his “elven harpy” comment towards, Cole’s “Never trust half an elf” comment which is bad regardless of if they were intending it to be about Michel, Solas and Sera’s everything unfortunately, etc. all come to mind.) Maybe Bull, Leliana, or Josie? I can’t remember them being so off the top of my head.
These things do suck and most Vivienne fans (except for a few, but typically fans who support the fantasy Catholic Church aren’t going to be the type of fans who will bother caring about a Black woman—they’ll usually go for Cullen, the white straight man who is anti-mage and who the narrative actually cares about) are very aware of her flaws, but generally we think it was a very stupid idea to have the first Black companion (that they will actually admit to being Black anyway, unlike Isabela who got whitewashed and Morrigan and Cole, who never really have the fact that they are mixed Black acknowledged or shown in the games) support the oppressive system and use her as a mouthpiece for a conservative agenda.
(Using characters as a mouthpiece for whatever agenda the devs are trying to push with little regard to their actual characters is a very common thing in Inqusition—ex. at one point they have Cole say Cullen was a “good Templar who remembered the mages are people” when Cullen literally has a line in 2 saying “Mages aren’t people like you and me.” which is a direct quote from him, and even though Cole should by all rights be terrified by Cullen. Also, all of Varric’s Inquisition characterization.)
I mean, her companion quest is just there to have you distrust her briefly (the quest is named after a classic villain line and the youth potion paper) before “surprising” the player with the the fact that she… has layers? Cares about someone? Which is so… incredibly stupid on the Dev’s parts for a variety of reasons that if I talk about now I will start getting genuinely angry over.
I also think she has some very redeeming qualities. I personally found that she was very compassionate towards an Inquisitor she was friends with. It doesn’t stop her from being opportunistic, but I don’t think that’s a bad thing necessarily. I think this bit specifically is probably something we won’t agree on however, since we have very different readings on these moments, so I’m going keep it at that.
None of this is meant to convince you to like her at all, but I wanted to explain my perspective in doing so since you seemed confused about it.
TLDR: I, and many other pro-mage Vivienne fans, are aware of her flaws, but we think that was a terrible writing decision and do see several redeemable qualities in her character. None of this is meant to sway you in your dislike of her, but I wanted to explain my perspective since you said you didn’t understand how someone could like Vivienne and be pro-mage.
(P.S. I am very sorry if any of this comes off as condescending or if this was completely unwelcome. I’m autistic and have a hard time with tone, both reading it and delivering it. I’m working on it, but I’m still not good at tone over text.)
I. I understand all of this. I’ve criticized the fact they made the first black companion a huge bitch and a bigot against her own kind from the second it became clear that was her personality? But her being the first black companion also doesn’t innately make her a good character. Being a minority doesn’t make what a character does automatically ok or less bad, and idealization is dehumanization as much as villainizing is. It makes BioWare’s writers and their decisions gross, and their agenda gross, any anyone who uses her sucking as an excuse to be racist or disproportionately hateful to only the black companion horrible, but it at the same time doesn’t just…make her good, or ok.
She’s written stupidly, but the character they made is a bigot given no real character growth who tries to ruin the advances for mage rights even if you put forth the best possible outcomes (Lelianna Divine, allied Mages) and befriended Vivienne. She straight sucks. She does. She is a bad, selfish, emotionally manipulative person with no empathy for those of her kind less privileged than her, and a species traitor. (Or whatever? Can’t think of a better thing to categorize Mages as. Class??) It’s not like I only complain about her. I’ve been just as liberal complaining about Doriana and Sera and every other fucked up choice the Devs made. If you’ve seen anything I posted the past week, you’ve probably seen me having a meltdown over how utterly unsalvagable Inquisition is as a game. As for Viv herself, she’s not devoid of good qualities. She’ll be nice if she’s your friend, you’re right, but you have to be kind of terrible to befriend her at all, and so? So is everyone on the planet. That’s what fair weather friends /are/. But beyond that, yeah. She’s not all evil. She cared about the guy she was mistress to. She’s not a monster. But she high key is a terrible person and sucks. You’re right, the devs making her quest a quote from the Queen from Snow White of all things, to encourage a player to lie to her, is fucked up. So is literally everything they did to her. So is how they treated Bull, and Dorian, and Sera, and all kinds of things. But that doesn’t make the character good.
From your own description, you don’t actually like canon Vivienne. You like the HC version you rewrote in your head. And that’s fair, and it’s a fair way to say fuck you to the devs—I do the same with Solas. But you’ll never see me not absolutely accusing the shit out of canon end game Trespasser Solas—he’s a racial supremacist genocide intellectual dude bro, which is a horrific choice for the devs to make esp considering his preTrespasser characterization, but that’s still what he was. I can ignore that and make my HCs, but I’m not going to pretend canon wasn’t what it is. It was. And I wasn’t complaining I see alternate takes on Vivienne, but that I see people talk about Canon Viv like she’s a girlboss while claiming to be pro mage, and those things just concretely do not and cannot go together. And that complaint absolutely stands. It’s cool and even good to hc and rewrite her as a different person. But that’s not canon Viv anymore then, it’s an OC that should have been in the game.
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