#felix fathom salt

[felinetteagain]

To fight the dragon itself, to sacrifice yourself, to die for the happiness of a loved one, to become like the one whose actions you condemned, to lose yourself.

And you? What are you willing to do for love?

[nerd-chocolate]

Felix should have stayed a villain instead of being redeemed.

Or if they're gonna redeem him, have it actually be earned.

10, I honestly thought Felix was going to stay a villain and partner with Lila at some point since they have a lot in common and that he the reason why the kwamis and their miraculous got captured by Gabriel but no, the writers decided to redeem him for no reason, other than he has the peacock miraculous. He didn’t even try to help in the season 5 finale, sure he told Marinette that he, Adrien, and Kagami are sentimonsters but that’s it. He didn’t even try to free his cousin or girlfriend out of there cells or told his cousin about them being sentimonster or that Gabriel was monarch/shadowmoth/ hawkmoth. Felix should at least help in the finale or shouldn’t been redeemed.

[crizztelcb]

Felix totally devastated that he needs to kill his sentimonster.

Me: oh you understand now?! That you brought it to suffer because of selfish reasons?! That you aren't on a different page than ladybug?! That what you think was the best solution was the actual worst thing to ever happen in someone's life?! That the term MONSTER HURTS SO MUCH AND CAN'T BE FIXED BY LITERALLY PROVING THAT THEY ARE RIGHT ABOUT YOU?!

[k7l4d4]

To be fair, it’s less that Marinette lost them and more that she got robbed by someone she had no reason at all to suspect of stabbing her in the back, and who then proceeded to make such a ridiculously lopsided deal when they could’ve just stolen the Peacock Miraculous (yes, I mean Felix, Felix was an idiot here). But beyond that, yeah, it doesn’t make much sense. Nor does Gabriel acting as if Felix trading him all the Miraculouses was something he had planned for and not dumb luck falling into his lap.

Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t future Alix yell at Cat Noir for losing a miraculous in the future? Am I misremembering things? Like lol Ladybug lost all the miraculous but I guess that doesn’t matter

Well, you see, it's different because while Cat Noir just lost one Miraculous, Ladybug lost all the other Miraculous to Monarch and--okay, yeah, it makes no goddamn sense.

[unfortunately-a-miraculous-fan]

Gabriel's a bitchass motherfucker because when his wife died and he had only his sentimonster son left, his number one goal was getting his wife back at all costs.

But when AMELIE lost her husband and had only her sentimonster son left, 100% of her focus went on her son. Felix was her number one priority.

[tenebraevesper]

Ah, yes... the old excuse of ‘Félix doesn’t have good chemistry with Marinette’. As someone who has written a 26+ chapters story with the setting in the Ladybug PV Universe, I have to say that I have never encountered any problems where it was “impossible” for me to write Félix and Bridgette’s dynamics without creating bad chemistry between them.

Although, maybe it’s because I’m using a very special and very unique writing technique known as - character development.

Honestly, the more I think about Miraculous Ladybug and its characters, the more I think that the only reason they decided to make Adrien a Nice Guy is because they couldn’t bother writing some actual character development for him and instead decided to just hand him everything he wants on a silver platter. After all, isn’t it easier when your character already is super cool and super special and has just the right amount of trauma to make people sympathize with him in order to let him get away with literal murder (on multiple occasions!)?

To me, Adrien is a very one-dimensional and bland character who has no progress aside from flipping an internal switch and no life aside from obsessing over a girl. Take away his role as Cat Noir and him being Gabriel Agreste’s (the main villain) son, and there is really nothing that makes him appealing nor interesting as a character. Even if he is given an opportunity to develop as a character, he whines until the universe bends backwards to reward him without doing anything to deserve it.

It is also hilarious how they brought back Félix to be the one to actually progress the plot instead of letting either of the main characters figure out that Gabriel is Hawk Moth/Shadow Moth/Monarch, because they need to focus on unnecessary drama instead of actual story progression.

Seriously, this screams “We couldn’t bother to put effort into writing Félix, so we gave up”.

[muggle-born-princess]

Season 5 in a nutshell

[sidsinning]

Mylene in “Derision”: “Having bad mom doesn’t excuse your behaviour”

Felix in “Emotion”: “uwu I committed a world genocide because I had a bad dad”

Me: ???

I will say Felix is a lot more complex and sympathetic in his circumstances, bc the harm he causes LB and Paris is in service to those he cares about- his fellow sentibeings. He believes he is doing something GOOD (ofc still enjoying sweet revenge against Bad Adults™ - which they are so, fair LOL), while everything Chloe sets out to do is to make herself feel good with absolutely no benefit to anybody- and she fully understands that.

I will give Felix props for apologizing to Kagami and Adrien after Mari seemingly disappears forever because of him at least

I guess the only "solace" the show wants us to be satisfied with is their own actions biting them in the ass in the end but

eh

(Mari deserves like 100000x apologizes from you Felix like holy shit you made her have a panic attack and worse)

(Also sidenote rewatching Emotion Felix's entire plot was heavy as hell, I feel like they fumbled the bag with him going from breaking down in tears from having to kill one of his own kind that he made himself, to making him Kagami's boyfriend the very next ep he appears??? idk focus became wack besides his weird theater kid backstory scene after🥴🥴🥴)

[nixthelapin]

Emotion (s5) doesn’t really make a lot of sense to me writing-wise. I think Felix’s plan and execution was weird, but… damn it was FUN. It makes so sense, but if I wasn’t vibing with it the whole episode.

Kagami accidentally insulting Lila (“you’re just a stone”)? Vibing.

A bizarre wealthy-person masquerade as a social commentary? Vibing.

Amelie yelling at Gabriel? Vibing.

“Adrien” and Kagami’s banter before their dance? Vibing.

Marinette dancing with “Adrien,” then immediately getting hostile when she learns he’s Felix? Vibing.

Felix having a Disney-villain style musical number in the streets as he Thanos-snaps everyone? Vibing.

Adrien blowing up at Felix? Vibing. (he’s earned that so bad)

Felix having a mental breakdown on a roof? Vibing.

Plot-wise, I have a few issues, but I can honestly say I am so happy to ignore them because I just had a BLAST watching it. Top-tier episode. 10/10. 5 stars.

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In summary:

[miraculousdeservesbetter2024]

To be honest, with this series double standards and how it treats Chloe compared to literally everyone else, I’m about 99.9% sure that the lesson that they are trying to purvey (whether if it be about concealment of identity, the mere fact that “not everyone changes” or even “you’re the one who’s solely responsible for your own actions”), only implies to her. Once she’s gone, then none of those lessons no longer exist and you’re not allowed to dislike anyone else, because “no one’s prefect” or “their bad actions are justified”.

[felinetteagain]

Adrinette BREAK UP in season 6.

And Cat Noir is again “a partner like any other!”

The problems of the main characters, which are likely to arise in season 6, have already been demonstrated to us in seasons 4 and 5.

First of all, the main problem in the relationship between Adrian and Marinette, Ladybug and Cat Noir will be the secrets of Marinette (Ladybug), as well as distrust. Cat Noir and Ladybug often quarreled over this in season 4.

Cat noir:

- And take my Miraculous back when you're done! I won't waste your time anymore, I promise. (423)

- Maybe because you never talk to me about anything! (426)

Cat Noir understood that Ladybug didn't need his help and was doing fine without him. This was the last straw for Cat Noir, after which he switched his interest to Marinette.

Lady bug:

- I didn't listen to you, I lied to you, I kept you at a distance!

Is everything going to be different now? I think not. Because Ladybug has more secrets now. She would never have told Cat Noir who the Monarch was. And, accordingly, she will have to look for a new Hawkmoth in hot pursuit without the help of Cat Noir.

The difference between the situation in season 6 and seasons 4 and 5 is that now there is a person next to Lady Bug who knows all her secrets, her secret identity and has a high level of intelligence. Such a person in the team is very important and necessary for her, he can replace all other team members with his presence

Because right now the team of heroes has to fight a smart and cunning villain. And this time Lady Bug needs a partner as smart as she is, who will help fight the villain not with physical strength, but with intelligence and cunning.

How do you think knowing this, how will the Cat Noir behave? Of course, he will be jealous and angry at his opponent. From here, feelings for Lady Bug can also wake up. Is not it so? Jealousy and anger can provoke the Cat Noir and he can take out his evil on Argos. Because the Cat Noir is not good at controlling his anger. And he cannot come to terms with the situation when Ladybug replaces him with someone.

As for Adrinette, things are also not as rosy as many would like. In season 5, Adrien already voiced Luka about his problems in his relationship with Marinette.

Adrien:

- It's like there's something inside that she... can't get out, like a secret side that wants to remain hidden.

- I wonder also if you could love someone fully when you don't know them completely 💥. (513)

After Felix told Marinette the story of his and Adrien's birth and all the other secrets about Gabriel, Marinette has a whole carload of secrets that she cannot share with Adrien under any circumstances.

And all because this was Gabriel’s last request before his death, and also because Adrian will not be able to adequately accept this truth.

We have all seen perfectly well what distrust and secrets can lead to on the example of the relationship between Alya and Nino. Even the greatest love can't stand a lie.

That's why I think Adrinette can't have a future as a couple, and LadyNoir can't have a future as partners.

[nerd-chocolate]

My opinion on Chlé: She is a mess. She could have either had a redemption arc or not. The problem is the mess they made it. She is inconsistent as a charcter during season 2 and 3. Sometimes she is nice, sometimes she is a brat. It could be a way of showing she is dual as people, but, let’s be honest, it’s because she is a plot device to the writers. When they needed a bee heroine, she was nice, when they needed an easy Akuma, she was a brat. That’s why I have no opinion on her canon self,she is not a character.

And another unpopular opinion: Even with all her mistakes (being a brat, the whole subway situation and all), she was more deserving than Felix. Felix disguised as his cousin and harassed his crush just so that she hated him. Stole a bunch of powerful jewelry and gave to a literal supervillain, and erased humanity. Like, I dare to say, Miracle Queen was less of disaster than Strikeback. At least we can sort of say that Chloe’s actions were during the heat of the moment. Felix coldly planned everything for months.

I am not saying that what Chloé did in Miracle Queen was reasonable. But, it was leagues less creepy than what Felix did.

1. 10, Honestly what many people don’t seem to realize is that Chloé is more inconsistent than her own sister. Sure you could say that Zoé is more boring but at least she more consistent. Like you say, she just nothing but a plot device.

2. 10, as much as Chloé annoys me, at least she got consequences to her actions most of the time, unlike Felix who seems to just get a slap on the wrist by the heroes because Kagami told them, that they could trust him or something. Honestly I wish that Felix stay a villain while Chloé got redeemed in season 5, you could have her still leave but with hope that she is going to change for the better. So I agree with you.

[miraculouscriticismshub]

MLB fandom Math be like ......

MLB fandom Maths is calling Adrienette toxic because they dislike Marinette's obsessive behaviour of Adrien and accuse her of stalking but ship Feligami despite how Felix also stalked Kagami and did worse than Marinette by kidnapping her.

MLB fandom Maths is hating on Kagami because she is getting in the way of Adrienette by having feelings for Adrien but is fine with Luka dating Marinette and supporting Luka at the same time.

MLB fandom Maths is saying Chloe doesn't deserve redemption because she never felt remorse or properly apologized for her actions but at the same time, forgive Felix and support his redemption arc despite him doing worse than Chloe and not uttering a single apology or properly repenting for his crimes.

MLB fandom Math is slandering Alya because they think she is a bad friend for believing Lila over Marinette as well as making a few ignorant decisions but go ahead and call Kagami a better friend despite her telling Felix LB's identity without her permission.

MLB fandom Math is attacking and cancelling small creators by accusing them of predator behaviour when they have made a slight mistake but are silent when a big content creator is openly showing predator behaviour.

MLB fandom Math is being quick to call out the toxic behaviour of some Chloe/Felix/Lila stans but staying quiet when some toxic Maribug/Adrichat or Adrienette stans also show signs of aggression, some even go as far as to support their behaviour (e.g what happened to that one Lila fan)

MLB fandom Math is celebrating the fact Chloe gets sent off to live with her abusive mother and is glad that she is written out of the show, justifying their opinion by saying she deserves to be abused by Audrey but if you say the same thing about Felix, they will go mad and call you an abuse apologist

MLB fandom math dislikes Sabrina's redemption because she only betrayed Chloe because she wasn't being benefitted by her friendship with Chloe and was being replaced but go ahead and support Nathalie's redemption when she ALSO betrayed Gabriel because she was also not being benefitted anymore by their partnership.

Disclaimer: These are just common double standards I've seen in the fandom so I thought is important to address this so please stay respectful when commenting :)

[underwxrldprincess]

Chloé Bourgeois: "My mother walked out on me when I was three years old, so I'm allowed to ruin everyone else's lives by abusing my butler, being racist, bullying a classmate for four years, treating my so-called best friend like a slave, sabotaging my half-sister and making my entire class hate me."

Félix Fathom: "My father abused and controlled me to the point where I could have died, so I'm going to fight for the freedom of myself and others so that no one else will go through what I went through."

[immaturityofthomasastruc]

Honestly, I'm pretty sure Su-Han only exists as a scapegoat on how incompetent Fu was

Come on, when has the show introduced a new character just to make a preexisting one look better or worse by comparison?

Besides her.

And him.

Her too.

I'm just going to stop talking now.

[imthepunchlord]

I know you haven't watched Season 5, but have you at least heard about what they did with Felix in S5?

From what I've gathered...

I guess he's a hero now? No consequences for handing over, what, 15 Miraculous to HM? Which is a choice. Side note, I can't even be mad at the s4 finale cause it sounds like they broke their own rules to make it happen.

Like Ladybug made to be Guardian seemed to imply to be an exclusive ability to pull Miraculous out of her yo-yo. But I guess they're working off it never stated to be so which is why Gabriel can.

I also heard from someone who watched it that Marinette did detransform after the yo-yo got stolen, which, shouldn't it cease to exist then? Of is that a unique ability to Dog's Fetch, if it grabs a Miraculous related item, it keeps it even if the detransforamtion happens?

What are the rules.

Anyway!

The rest I've heard is really icky.

I hear he becomes obsessively in love with Kagami? And stalks her?

And Kagami, who I heard fell back in love with Adrien seeing how he treated Marinette despite him being a bad boyfriend to Kagami (which is the oddest choice to make), is up to roll with dating Adrien's look alike cousin?

From what I hear, it just rubs me the wrong way.

Oh! And apparently Felix does a really funny looking backstory for the Agreste-Graham de Vanily-Fathom-Grassette(?) family (which why does this family have so many surnames my god) where they wear masks to make portrays, and the few bits I see I am unimpressed.

Oh! I did have a good laugh hearing that Adrien is the disappointing, "poor" grandson of the family because he actually has a job. And Gabriel apparently was not rich.

Behold. The home of the "poor" grandson.

What financial struggles he lives in.

Mindful, I could be misinterpreting it as I'm taking it in through osmosis and not watching it myself (which I don't want to nor care enough to get clarification on), but if it Adrien being financially "poor", I'm going to roll my eyes. I don't think the creators of ML know what poor is.

Like, the one family I could point to in probably being the poorest, I got to wonder how poor are they actually are: the Couffaines.

That is a decent size boat they live on, and from my perspective in the USA, to own a boat, you have to be financially stable/on the richer side, especially big boats like that. The Couffaines also have a lot of instruments on that boat, which aren't cheap.

And even if they were the "poorest" family in all of ML, with Jagged now confirmed their dad, well, that elevates them to rich status.

But back on Felix, that's really it. That's all I've heard of him so far. Which for a character that did have a strong intro and first few eps, it sounded like he really dropped the ball and became lackluster.