#felix fathom salt

[nerdy-chocomallow]

What’s your opinions on the new designs… specially Rose’s for season XD

I think I like most of them honestly, even rose’s new designs are very charming. Could it look better? Yes. But do I like it? Yes. Rose’s outfit is really cute to me in styling and it fits her character really well, I especially love kitty section charm on her hip and big bow she has now, and I love her hair got shorter, instead longer because not only does that look good on her, it just speaks volumes about her character, (plus I can headcanon that Lacey help her with an haircut and vice versa because they’re cousins). I like rose’s design, sure her colors could look better but it doesn’t change my mind about her outfit looking good. Pigella does look kinda weird but still pretty good and cute for rose, plus she looks more like a pig now. I do think alya, Sabrina, and Mylene also look pretty nice for most part, though I think mylene still has the dreads which is bad, seriously considering we don’t know if she confirmed to be black and just have albinism but no. I like Sabrina’s design, it glow up to me and it fits her character, I don’t like Alya’s short hair and that she still doesn’t have a black hairstyle but whatever, at least she got a better outfit. Polymouse and Miss hound are good redesign for them, Rena Rouge barely changed but still good and pretty, so doesn’t matter to me.

I don’t like Juleka and Kagami’s new designs, I think their lazy for the fact, it just their hair changing (both of which are good hairstyles for them, but I prefer kagami’s 1-5 seasons hairstyle a lot more), but their outfits didn’t change despite going through mass development. Kagami’s jacket just got shorter, and I’m wondering it’s because she got loser boyfriend that wouldn’t like that. Juleka should gotten to her change, like getting fully on new one, plus her lipstick kinda bad in the animation. Though, Ryuko and Purple Tigrees are amazing glow up for them, 10 out of 10. As for Zoé, she got glow up on her civilian design like I said before. I don’t like her new Vesperia’s design, I hate how they invert the yellow and black, it just doesn’t work for her and makes less unique, the black and yellow work better for her to me, I guess you could said her hair got better but I was never a huge fan of long hair on her, I think she should kept it short as well. Also she could reference her kitty noire outfit more in her vesperia’s design.

As for guys, I like nino’s new design, it fits him more, I love Nathaniel’s overalls and design, I sort of like that Marc barely changed because he had already good design, still would have like different outfit for him though his new makeup is 10 out of 10. I do really love Max’s design it works for him, really well. Kim barely changed, I wish he did, like maybe change his hoodie or something, but his roots are showing more so that’s good. Ivan are conflicted on, since on the one hand, he does look good but his earlier design does feel more gentle giant compared to his new design, it feels like they should flip if we’re discussing character development. Luka’s kinda bad, he can’t pull off skinny pants but I’m glad he got rid of his deadbeat dad’s merch shirt. Good for him! Felix is literally giving nothing and I hate him, his design is bland and he trying to hard for me.

Carapace barely changed but he already good design. Caprikid and Minotaurox are both glow ups and I adore their designs. As for Pegasus and King Monkey, I don’t like the visor on max, it looks pretty weak and I seen better redesigns for him like @aganyan and @maximum-potential design for example, king monkey, I think his mask changes but for the worse and everything stay the same, I wish Kim wore sleeveless outfits more, I think it just works for him better than long sleeves. Viperion, I’m conflicted on because I like the scales but I think the outfit could be more loose, overall, I guess it’s fine. Argos is just bad and I hate how no one tells him that his outfits sucks like his personality. He literally giving us nothing and I think he deserves to get more hate because of it.

As for our main heroes, ladybug and marinette went huge glow up, we all know that. Adrien and Chat noir however didn’t even get the luxury of change, only his hair did and I’m going to be honest, I like chat noir in the earlier seasons than I do in season 6. I hope he changes his outfit when he learns the truth about his dad and realizes he doesn’t have to hold on to the past of his dad being a good person at all.

Alix and bunnix barely change and I kinda hate it, I wish it hinted towards her elder and adult self’s designs more but sadly it doesn’t, it’s really sad.

[k7l4d4]

To be fair, it’s less that Marinette lost them and more that she got robbed by someone she had no reason at all to suspect of stabbing her in the back, and who then proceeded to make such a ridiculously lopsided deal when they could’ve just stolen the Peacock Miraculous (yes, I mean Felix, Felix was an idiot here). But beyond that, yeah, it doesn’t make much sense. Nor does Gabriel acting as if Felix trading him all the Miraculouses was something he had planned for and not dumb luck falling into his lap.

Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t future Alix yell at Cat Noir for losing a miraculous in the future? Am I misremembering things? Like lol Ladybug lost all the miraculous but I guess that doesn’t matter

Well, you see, it's different because while Cat Noir just lost one Miraculous, Ladybug lost all the other Miraculous to Monarch and--okay, yeah, it makes no goddamn sense.

[unfortunately-a-miraculous-fan]

Gabriel's a bitchass motherfucker because when his wife died and he had only his sentimonster son left, his number one goal was getting his wife back at all costs.

But when AMELIE lost her husband and had only her sentimonster son left, 100% of her focus went on her son. Felix was her number one priority.

[tenebraevesper]

Ah, yes... the old excuse of ‘Félix doesn’t have good chemistry with Marinette’. As someone who has written a 26+ chapters story with the setting in the Ladybug PV Universe, I have to say that I have never encountered any problems where it was “impossible” for me to write Félix and Bridgette’s dynamics without creating bad chemistry between them.

Although, maybe it’s because I’m using a very special and very unique writing technique known as - character development.

Honestly, the more I think about Miraculous Ladybug and its characters, the more I think that the only reason they decided to make Adrien a Nice Guy is because they couldn’t bother writing some actual character development for him and instead decided to just hand him everything he wants on a silver platter. After all, isn’t it easier when your character already is super cool and super special and has just the right amount of trauma to make people sympathize with him in order to let him get away with literal murder (on multiple occasions!)?

To me, Adrien is a very one-dimensional and bland character who has no progress aside from flipping an internal switch and no life aside from obsessing over a girl. Take away his role as Cat Noir and him being Gabriel Agreste’s (the main villain) son, and there is really nothing that makes him appealing nor interesting as a character. Even if he is given an opportunity to develop as a character, he whines until the universe bends backwards to reward him without doing anything to deserve it.

It is also hilarious how they brought back Félix to be the one to actually progress the plot instead of letting either of the main characters figure out that Gabriel is Hawk Moth/Shadow Moth/Monarch, because they need to focus on unnecessary drama instead of actual story progression.

Seriously, this screams “We couldn’t bother to put effort into writing Félix, so we gave up”.

[sidsinning]

Mylene in “Derision”: “Having bad mom doesn’t excuse your behaviour”

Felix in “Emotion”: “uwu I committed a world genocide because I had a bad dad”

Me: ???

I will say Felix is a lot more complex and sympathetic in his circumstances, bc the harm he causes LB and Paris is in service to those he cares about- his fellow sentibeings. He believes he is doing something GOOD (ofc still enjoying sweet revenge against Bad Adults™ - which they are so, fair LOL), while everything Chloe sets out to do is to make herself feel good with absolutely no benefit to anybody- and she fully understands that.

I will give Felix props for apologizing to Kagami and Adrien after Mari seemingly disappears forever because of him at least

I guess the only "solace" the show wants us to be satisfied with is their own actions biting them in the ass in the end but

eh

(Mari deserves like 100000x apologizes from you Felix like holy shit you made her have a panic attack and worse)

(Also sidenote rewatching Emotion Felix's entire plot was heavy as hell, I feel like they fumbled the bag with him going from breaking down in tears from having to kill one of his own kind that he made himself, to making him Kagami's boyfriend the very next ep he appears??? idk focus became wack besides his weird theater kid backstory scene after🥴🥴🥴)

[nixthelapin]

Emotion (s5) doesn’t really make a lot of sense to me writing-wise. I think Felix’s plan and execution was weird, but… damn it was FUN. It makes so sense, but if I wasn’t vibing with it the whole episode.

Kagami accidentally insulting Lila (“you’re just a stone”)? Vibing.

A bizarre wealthy-person masquerade as a social commentary? Vibing.

Amelie yelling at Gabriel? Vibing.

“Adrien” and Kagami’s banter before their dance? Vibing.

Marinette dancing with “Adrien,” then immediately getting hostile when she learns he’s Felix? Vibing.

Felix having a Disney-villain style musical number in the streets as he Thanos-snaps everyone? Vibing.

Adrien blowing up at Felix? Vibing. (he’s earned that so bad)

Felix having a mental breakdown on a roof? Vibing.

Plot-wise, I have a few issues, but I can honestly say I am so happy to ignore them because I just had a BLAST watching it. Top-tier episode. 10/10. 5 stars.

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In summary:

[gameguy20100]

So.... you just sat on the sidelines and did nothing while your cousin and your girlfriend watched the world burn... hating themselves for not being able to help.

Felix.... I fucking loathe you, you useless waste of space!!!

[eddo-tensei]

The Power of Love according to Season 5 of Miraculous

Something disturbing dawned on me concerning...a lot of the development in Season 5 and it comes down to one thing: Love.

At first, Andre and Felix getting redeemed while Chloe gets sent off to the worst fate the show would allow didn't make a lot of sense. The only thing I could get from the writers was just that "Chloe bad, so everyone else good." It was stupid, but it wasn't insidious. At least, not that insidious at first. And then the finale with Gabriel happened and while it took me a while to process my frustrations with this, something finally clicked. Not only concerning that, but some of the other developments I've seen.

Felix getting another chance to the point of JOINING the heroes in the new universe seemed like nonsense until you look at what happened before that. He was someone who Astruc went out of his way to bury in the narrative and was exclusively causing trouble for everyone up to and including GENOCIDE...until he showed his love to Kagami. Suddenly, his actions are seen as righteous and his backstory of being abused by his father was justification for his actions. You see, he loved Kagami and he also apparently loved Adrien too because they were "the same."

Andre was basically just some corrupt politician who was also a pathetic snob. Then when Zoe came in, we suddenly get all of these humanizing bits about how Chloe totally mistreated him (because apparently, not having the guts to say no to your daughter is mistreatment) and when he divorced Audrey, he gets Zoe because he's someone he could be happy with. A true familial love unlike the one he had with Chloe.

Chloe, meanwhile, doesn't love anyone as far as the writers are concerned. Any genuine connection she might have in either the platonic, familial, or the romantic sense, whether it'd be to Adrien, Sabrina, Zoe or Ladybug, are shown to be either fake or so utterly shallow, it doesn't count as "love." With that, everything she does is absolutely reprehensible and doesn't deserve a shred of forgiveness even if it's clear she's a neglected child who needed help. BUT, because she "doesn't love anyone", she doesn't get redemption and deserves to be sent away with a parent who doesn't love her either. Same with Lila, she doesn't love anyone at all and in fact, just jumps from family to family purely to keep up her manipulations.

Finally, we have Gabriel, who had done nothing but sheltered, belittled, and outright ABUSED Adrien as well as commit a multitude of horrid crimes throughout the series. His actions constantly escalated in awfulness throughout the series, even showing that he doesn't care if he destroys the universe to get what he wants. Yet there was always this trait he possessed. His love for Emilie and that ended up coming to the forefront in the finale. Marinette, who had Gabriel dead to rights, decided at the last moment to try and appeal to his humanity because she knows he loved Emilie and in her mind, that love is enough grounds for her to offer him one chance to step up and help. Then when Gabriel opts to betray Marinette and starts the wish, he tells her at the last moment to try and help Adrien remember all of the times he "tried to be a good father," which is apparently an indicator that he actually LOVED Adrien too. THAT ended up being why Marinette decided to lie about Gabriel by saying he died fighting Monarch and went as far as to try and tell Adrien to remember him as a good man. All because she knew Gabriel "loved" him.

This tells me something distressing. Now, the concept of "Love Redeems" is something I'm not at all against and is in fact common in a lot of stories I like. However, it's what Miraculous does with this concept in Season 5 that angers me. The message of Miraculous ends up giving in its grand finale for the Agreste arc isn't that love can help people find the way to kindness. It's that anything you do can be justified as long as you do it for "love." It doesn't matter if you purposely get a cab driver in trouble, attempt to sabotage a date that your crush is in, put together a project that tries to commercialize air, betray someone to help a terrorist, commit genocide, cause untold amounts of damage to your town and beyond, or even destroy the universe! As long as you love someone, everything you do can be justified. Except when we decide that you don't love ANYONE, then we'll do everything in our power to show that all of your connections don't count as love so you can have the worst punishment we could possibly muster. Regardless of intent, that's how the writers ended up describing the Power of Love in Season Five of Miraculous and that's wretched to me.

[miraculousdeservesbetter2024]

To be honest, with this series double standards and how it treats Chloe compared to literally everyone else, I’m about 99.9% sure that the lesson that they are trying to purvey (whether if it be about concealment of identity, the mere fact that “not everyone changes” or even “you’re the one who’s solely responsible for your own actions”), only implies to her. Once she’s gone, then none of those lessons no longer exist and you’re not allowed to dislike anyone else, because “no one’s prefect” or “their bad actions are justified”.

[miraculouscriticismshub]

MLB fandom Math be like ......

MLB fandom Maths is calling Adrienette toxic because they dislike Marinette's obsessive behaviour of Adrien and accuse her of stalking but ship Feligami despite how Felix also stalked Kagami and did worse than Marinette by kidnapping her.

MLB fandom Maths is hating on Kagami because she is getting in the way of Adrienette by having feelings for Adrien but is fine with Luka dating Marinette and supporting Luka at the same time.

MLB fandom Maths is saying Chloe doesn't deserve redemption because she never felt remorse or properly apologized for her actions but at the same time, forgive Felix and support his redemption arc despite him doing worse than Chloe and not uttering a single apology or properly repenting for his crimes.

MLB fandom Math is slandering Alya because they think she is a bad friend for believing Lila over Marinette as well as making a few ignorant decisions but go ahead and call Kagami a better friend despite her telling Felix LB's identity without her permission.

MLB fandom Math is attacking and cancelling small creators by accusing them of predator behaviour when they have made a slight mistake but are silent when a big content creator is openly showing predator behaviour.

MLB fandom Math is being quick to call out the toxic behaviour of some Chloe/Felix/Lila stans but staying quiet when some toxic Maribug/Adrichat or Adrienette stans also show signs of aggression, some even go as far as to support their behaviour (e.g what happened to that one Lila fan)

MLB fandom Math is celebrating the fact Chloe gets sent off to live with her abusive mother and is glad that she is written out of the show, justifying their opinion by saying she deserves to be abused by Audrey but if you say the same thing about Felix, they will go mad and call you an abuse apologist

MLB fandom math dislikes Sabrina's redemption because she only betrayed Chloe because she wasn't being benefitted by her friendship with Chloe and was being replaced but go ahead and support Nathalie's redemption when she ALSO betrayed Gabriel because she was also not being benefitted anymore by their partnership.

Disclaimer: These are just common double standards I've seen in the fandom so I thought is important to address this so please stay respectful when commenting :)

[nerdy-chocomallow]

My opinion on Chlé: She is a mess. She could have either had a redemption arc or not. The problem is the mess they made it. She is inconsistent as a charcter during season 2 and 3. Sometimes she is nice, sometimes she is a brat. It could be a way of showing she is dual as people, but, let’s be honest, it’s because she is a plot device to the writers. When they needed a bee heroine, she was nice, when they needed an easy Akuma, she was a brat. That’s why I have no opinion on her canon self,she is not a character.

And another unpopular opinion: Even with all her mistakes (being a brat, the whole subway situation and all), she was more deserving than Felix. Felix disguised as his cousin and harassed his crush just so that she hated him. Stole a bunch of powerful jewelry and gave to a literal supervillain, and erased humanity. Like, I dare to say, Miracle Queen was less of disaster than Strikeback. At least we can sort of say that Chloe’s actions were during the heat of the moment. Felix coldly planned everything for months.

I am not saying that what Chloé did in Miracle Queen was reasonable. But, it was leagues less creepy than what Felix did.

1. 10, Honestly what many people don’t seem to realize is that Chloé is more inconsistent than her own sister. Sure you could say that Zoé is more boring but at least she more consistent. Like you say, she just nothing but a plot device.

2. 10, as much as Chloé annoys me, at least she got consequences to her actions most of the time, unlike Felix who seems to just get a slap on the wrist by the heroes because Kagami told them, that they could trust him or something. Honestly I wish that Felix stay a villain while Chloé got redeemed in season 5, you could have her still leave but with hope that she is going to change for the better. So I agree with you.

[blackcatsandlockets]

Chloé Bourgeois: "My mother walked out on me when I was three years old, so I'm allowed to ruin everyone else's lives by abusing my butler, being racist, bullying a classmate for four years, treating my so-called best friend like a slave, sabotaging my half-sister and making my entire class hate me."

Félix Fathom: "My father abused and controlled me to the point where I could have died, so I'm going to fight for the freedom of myself and others so that no one else will go through what I went through."

[immaturityofthomasastruc]

Honestly, I'm pretty sure Su-Han only exists as a scapegoat on how incompetent Fu was

Come on, when has the show introduced a new character just to make a preexisting one look better or worse by comparison?

Besides her.

And him.

Her too.

I'm just going to stop talking now.

[imthepunchlord]

I know you haven't watched Season 5, but have you at least heard about what they did with Felix in S5?

From what I've gathered...

I guess he's a hero now? No consequences for handing over, what, 15 Miraculous to HM? Which is a choice. Side note, I can't even be mad at the s4 finale cause it sounds like they broke their own rules to make it happen.

Like Ladybug made to be Guardian seemed to imply to be an exclusive ability to pull Miraculous out of her yo-yo. But I guess they're working off it never stated to be so which is why Gabriel can.

I also heard from someone who watched it that Marinette did detransform after the yo-yo got stolen, which, shouldn't it cease to exist then? Of is that a unique ability to Dog's Fetch, if it grabs a Miraculous related item, it keeps it even if the detransforamtion happens?

What are the rules.

Anyway!

The rest I've heard is really icky.

I hear he becomes obsessively in love with Kagami? And stalks her?

And Kagami, who I heard fell back in love with Adrien seeing how he treated Marinette despite him being a bad boyfriend to Kagami (which is the oddest choice to make), is up to roll with dating Adrien's look alike cousin?

From what I hear, it just rubs me the wrong way.

Oh! And apparently Felix does a really funny looking backstory for the Agreste-Graham de Vanily-Fathom-Grassette(?) family (which why does this family have so many surnames my god) where they wear masks to make portrays, and the few bits I see I am unimpressed.

Oh! I did have a good laugh hearing that Adrien is the disappointing, "poor" grandson of the family because he actually has a job. And Gabriel apparently was not rich.

Behold. The home of the "poor" grandson.

What financial struggles he lives in.

Mindful, I could be misinterpreting it as I'm taking it in through osmosis and not watching it myself (which I don't want to nor care enough to get clarification on), but if it Adrien being financially "poor", I'm going to roll my eyes. I don't think the creators of ML know what poor is.

Like, the one family I could point to in probably being the poorest, I got to wonder how poor are they actually are: the Couffaines.

That is a decent size boat they live on, and from my perspective in the USA, to own a boat, you have to be financially stable/on the richer side, especially big boats like that. The Couffaines also have a lot of instruments on that boat, which aren't cheap.

And even if they were the "poorest" family in all of ML, with Jagged now confirmed their dad, well, that elevates them to rich status.

But back on Felix, that's really it. That's all I've heard of him so far. Which for a character that did have a strong intro and first few eps, it sounded like he really dropped the ball and became lackluster.

[almadesarrollo]

MLB SEASON 6 FELINETTE'S BIG TRACK IN JEREMY ZAG'S VIDEO (new Miraculous scenarios via Instagram) ANALYSIS AND FELINETTE CLUES FOR S6 PART 6 marinette's balcony :TRAY part3

TRAY part2

} protection S5

THE FOCUS IS ON KAGAMI!!

This chapter confirms that the adrinette will fail and the adrigami will triumph because Kagami will get in the way, but that the felinette will triumph and the feligami will fail. WHICH WE HAVE ALREADY PREDICTED BUT ALSO THAT FELIX WILL LITERALLY PROTECT HER on an emotional level, which is why this chapter is titled like this, alluding to wayzz, her miraculous and therefore to Félix.

Here they are no longer implying that Adrien is like little by little he stopped seeing her, and that Marinette will suffer, because she will spend more time with Kagami, also that Félix will take care of Marinette (this in the bottle of water that she gives him so that he can hydrate, water represents Argos, remember)

Here they talk to us about how valuable Marinette is as a person and how she always helps everyone, which is true, so I feel that even though Marinette gets stressed out about Adrien passing her hand, she doesn't think about herself, as always, That will cause consequences in the future, another fact to keep in mind is that

Felix loved Marinette from the beginning and that he could never forget her and that when he stopped seeing her that destroyed him, but he transformed that feeling into friendship, he tried to leave it behind and he did it for his cousin, etc., HE REALLY CARE ABOUT HER AND HE WILL TRY TO CARE FOR HER AS A FRIEND (IN THE BEGINNING OF CLEAR) we see all this in the fact that Lila represents Alix AND ALIX ADRIEN AND FELIX TOGETHER. Also again, the presence of Lilac makes us understand that Marinette's love for Adrien is an illusion...because of the color orange.

Marinette will feel guilty, she will think that the problem is hers, THAT SHE IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH, THAT SHE IS NOT PERFECT!!!!, as always and this will make Adrien feel bad because he lies to her, but this also alludes to Felix will feel bad with Kagami because Kagami will also walk away and he will think that he has lost his spark, Marinette is very schematic, like MAX, the two of them are reflected there,

Also this scene of the ferris wheel occurs precisely at sunset, a symbol of endings, the adrinette ends...

here we can verify that Félix in some way is like lying about his emotions, so the Feligami little by little is also coming to an end....so the 2nd opportunity will arise for Marinette on Félix's side as we have said and this is reflected in the portrait in the background, where we see Gabriel in indigo blue (Félix) AND ADRIEN WITH THE NAVY BLUE T-SHIRT AND THE BANGS IN THE DIRECTION OF FELIX) BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT CONNECTION IS THE NAME OF THE DANCE WHICH IS CONNECTED WITH THE CHAPTER EMOTION, WHO DEBUTS THERE?, so practically the adrigami will triumph and by doing that Felinette will too, however this will cause jealousy in Adrien which will cause chaos in both Marinette and Felix, so coincidentally Mention is made of the cataclysm in Gabriel with the portrait behind... in a few words... this below will be fulfilled... and not only for Marinette but for Felix...

That's why they both have the same red light. This mess is going to be caused by Adrien, not Felix, this Thanoseo is Adrien's, both scenes are the same, only one is more direct and the other is more subtle.

Felix is ​​going to feel bad for Marinette and since he is going to want to help her, (the proof is that he is drinking a glass of tea), he is going to see that she suffers with all this and is going to try to help her because he sees that because of her cousin, she suffers and I didn't see that, Marinette will suffer from this love triangle and she and her dreams will end up broken into a thousand pieces, here we may have a parallel with Marinette, in the same way that Marinette played "celestina" with Adrigami, Felix could do with adrinette, all this is confirmed because on the one hand we see gorilla preparing the food.

On the one hand, bread cut into slices, alluding to Marinette and how Kagami is going to "cut it into pieces" and the fruit salad, which is made up of banana, orange and apple, representing this love triangle and clearly who loses out (Marinette ).

On the other hand, Adrien's expression when he says "it will be very hard for her and she will abandon him." Who is Marinette going to abandon? Weren't we talking about Adrianette? AHA abandon Adrien, you basically tell us that after that in the future, Marinette will abandon him and leave, and Felix somehow predicts this and of course he is afraid that the two WILL SUFFER.

NOW EVEN THOUGH MARINETTE HAS THAT "PERFECTION" COMPLEX, she is going to reconsider and understand that well, what her fears could be and that we have to see things as they are, the proof of this is the position in which Marinette is living this and his connection with cap glaciator S2, which again confirms that Adrien began to stand him up at meet-ups etc...

AND THAT FELIX WILL ALSO GIVE PLATO (this seen through the failed chatnoir date on the balcony at night, where the decoration is Japanese)

We know that Gabriel and Tomoe want to do the diamond dance to bring them together as king and queen and as a married couple, and here it is made clear that Kagami still loves Adrien and that all this costs her a lot, I would almost say that pretending that everything is fine and that this whole disaster is going to be Adrian's fault...

There will be a love triangle and Kagami will win, but in a dirty way, this confirms that ADRIEN ONLY LIKES THE PERFECT and who fits that title? clearly Ladybug and then Kagami, Adrien does not love her as she is, and on top of that Kagami is more sincere than Ladybug, clearly Kagami wins, now, in this sequence there is another CLUE and that is when he says "you are the same species" clearly by destiny kagami and adrien are destined to be together, they would be created for that reason but this could be a mini-clue that marinette and felix in the future will be secretly seeing each other as lovers...this will be when marinette is sentiser,

here a post I talk about this very briefly

Be that as it may, Kagami is involved so that the felinette breaks and the adrinette breaks. AND HERE COMES THE KEY TO EVERYTHING. THEY TELL US IN THE FACE!!!!!

I think it is clear what is going to happen....

Adrien will make excuses Marinette will begin to sense that something is happening but she will convince herself that what she sees is AN ILLUSION and she will not trust her intuition.

Now you'll tell me, but Adrien says to go to his house, yes, but that's not Adrien, it's Felix, as I said, the picnic scene will be adrigami and felinette's clue, we've already talked about it in a previous post that it's possible that Felix and Marinette spend time together, possibly at Felix's own house and that he comforts her for all the burden she carries (we saw it in the analysis of Sirena tray part1) SO THIS CAN GIVE US THE CLUE THAT WHEN THIS TYPE OF EVENTS IT HAPPENS MARINETTE IS CONSOLED WITH FELIX, ALSO THAT WHEN THE RELATIONSHIP FELINETTE FALLS MORE MARINETTE WILL HAVE CERTAIN FEARS BECAUSE OF WHAT SHE LIVED WITH ADRIEN BUT WITH HIM IT WILL BE DIFFERENT...AND HE WILL MAKE HER SEE IT, even with the worst appearances he will make her to love (this is REAL LOVE) the clue is that when this scene occurs we see in the background shoe boxes, formal shoes something of Felix's style.

and here we have several clues for felinette and adrigami, the floor, the pattern of the floor is a great clue for this 2 ships, this confirms that for the felinette to be given, there has to be adrigami, no matter how painful it is,

Marinette's 2nd chance will be Felix, after Adrien's rejection or abandonment, right? WE HAVE SAID IT IN MANY POST.... Here they don't remember them again, but of course first Marinette will have to see the truth, that Adrien doesn't love him.....

SO WE GO ON TO ANOTHER VERY IMPORTANT SCENE: THE PICNIC WHICH I WILL ANALYZE IN THE NEXT PART BECAUSE THIS IS GETTING VERY LONG

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[theerurishipper]

Every now and then I still see arguments about how "Chat Blanc and Ephemeral were meant to inform us that Adrien couldn't take part in the final battle," the implication here being that there is no possible way for Adrien to ever react in a convenient manner to this news, and that his only reactions could be "he loses control and goes berserk," or "he gets controlled by his dad." I have already expressed my views on these takes, which is that they are excuses and justifications for bad writing. But I still feel that in trying to insinuate that they are valid explanations for Adrien's inability to be part of the finale, the point of those episodes is missed, and I'll elaborate on why they aren't even good excuses now.

Despite what Thomas Astruc may suggest on Twitter, that the problem is not with Adrien in these episodes. As evidenced by episodes like The Collector and even the aforementioned Chat Blanc, Adrien is perfectly capable of fighting his father. The issue that presents itself in these scenarios isn't that Adrien can't control himself and can only react poorly, it's that Gabriel chooses to hurt his son. None of these situations happened because of anything Adrien did, they happened because Gabriel manufactured the situation into something that he could use to gain control over his son.

The issue here isn't that Adrien finding out makes him react poorly (which is a hot take of its own), the issue is with how he finds out. In both Chat Blanc and Ephemeral, Gabriel manipulates the situation to his advantage. He knows Adrien's identity before Adrien knows his or even knows that his own identity has been compromised. Gabriel is in control of all the information, and he engineers the situation to cause the most traumatic reaction in Adrien so that he can exploit it and take advantage of Adrien's distress. The issue here isn't Adrien's reactions, it's the fact that Gabriel is in control. By framing the message of Chat Blanc and Ephemeral as proof that Adrien can only react poorly to Gabriel's revelations and abuse and using that as an excuse to justify him sitting out the conclusion to his own arc is bafflingly weird to me.

And it just ends up sending the message that Adrien is apparently "too emotionally immature" or whatever the salters say, and therefore he can't ever find out about his father, or it'll only cause disaster. The blame for not being able to walk out of the situation and continue fighting the good fight with no negative effects whatsoever is placed on Adrien by insinuating that it's some inherent flaw in him that he'll never overcome, rather than acknowledge that things only happened the way they did because Gabriel specifically manipulated events and information to achieve his desired outcome. Rather than blame the abuser for his actions, the blame is placed on the victim for his reactions. That's not good.

And it ends up with the alarming implications that abuse victims are irrational and too emotional and are to blame for their reactions instead of it being the abuser's fault for driving them to this point, which is some gross abuse apologia. Indeed, the finale of Season 5 takes this one step further by having Marinette lie to Adrien about his father, because knowing would surely have him react in ways that are inconvenient for herself and everyone else to deal with (this is the writers' motivation, not Marinette's). And we can't have Adrien's trauma matter other than when it is beneficial to Marinette, now can we?

But I digress. Back to my point.

There is a simple solution to the problem of Gabriel taking advantage of Adrien. Since the issue is that Gabriel is able to manufacture the situation to his advantage because he gets to know all the information beforehand, have a reversal of that and have Adrien find out first. Have Adrien find out that his father is Monarch first, and that way, he'll have time to process everything and react to it with the support of his loved ones before he goes to fight his father with clarity and asserts his freedom. It would be a great extension of Adrien's arc of reclaiming his agency and freedom from Gabriel to have him be in control of the situation while Gabriel is blindsided.

A part of Adrien's arc is about finding relationships in which he has unconditional love and support. Have those come into play as he confronts Gabriel. Have them actually matter. There are so many ways to do this.

Have Marinette be present alongside him and have her be able to support him in a meaningful way as he faces down his father.

Have Felix prove he cares for Adrien by telling him the truth about his father and his amok.

Have Nathalie actually support Adrien by letting him know important stuff and giving him his amok back.

This is a non-exhaustive list, but my point is that there are so many ways to override the very specific situations that were present in Chat Blanc and Ephemeral and tilt the scales in Adrien's favor. It would be a better way to deal with this than to just dismiss the point of those episodes by making it seem like the problem lies with Adrien and his reactions than the fact those things only happened because of Gabriel's specific manipulations.

But there is one very simple solution to this whole issue, and it is right there in Season 5 itself. There is proof written straight into the show that Chat Blanc and Ephemeral are not the status quo. See Marinette giving into Gabriel's threats in Chat Blanc and contrast that with her going up against him and defying him outright in Pretention in a way more personal confrontation. The difference between the two episodes is that Marinette is allowed to grow. She is allowed to develop as a character and prove that she is different from the Marinette who gave into Gabriel's threats. So if she is allowed to change and develop as a character and react differently, then why can't Adrien?

Adrien's major problem in any of these situations is that Gabriel is a controlling asshat. To ensure that these situations do not happen, Adrien needs to break free from Gabriel. I posit that the easiest way to allow Adrien to not react in ways that "don't end well," is to allow him to grow and develop as a character. It would allow him to start truly breaking free of his father in such a way that when the time comes for the final confrontation, Adrien is not so easily susceptible to his manipulations and can fight back against him. It would allow him to have agency in the situation that he did not have at the times Chat Blanc and Ephemeral took place.

But unfortunately, the writers did not want to give Adrien growth and development and agency, because that would mean making him something other than Marinette's prop and love interest. That also seems to be the point of the amok rings, since their only relevance in the story is to make up a reason so that Adrien cannot go against Gabriel and needs Marinette to do it for him, and the show presents this as some great quandary to which there is no discernable solution other than simply removing Adrien from the battle altogether so that Marinette can complete his arc for him. And it sucks.

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