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Rick Alan Ross on How Cults Work, & How to Get Out (Deprogramming, NXIVM, Waco, Heaven's Gate & more)
Rick is a fascinating guest as he's been a part of the story of some of the largest cults in recent memory, from working with both the Branch Davidians and the FBI in Waco, to working with a family to free their daughter from Keith Raniere & NXIVM.
Our season 3 finale was one of my favorite episodes of “The Fantastic Story Society.” We were able to get into the nitty gritty of the variety of ways cults operate and some of the most famous and/or unusual cuts of all time. The biggest point of this episode was to bring awareness that 1) cults exist and they’re more ubiquitous than one might imagine 2) literally ANYONE is susceptible to getting…
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#Branch Davidians#cults#David Koresh#fantastic story society#Heaven&039;s Gate#Keith Raniere#nxivm#podcast#waco
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The implication that Lucius must have read Heather's Scarlet Book (and that being why he used the name "Terapagos" in his memoirs) is pretty interesting. Lucius, someone from the past, who is currently inspiring the current generation also being someone who took inspiration from people who came before him, etc.
Briar also said that Heather's book was regarded as a mere occult story, and that no one believed it. I wonder if Lucius was one of those who believed it, or at least took it seriously enough that it may have inspired him to go on his own journey to check things for himself. Lucius believing in things no one else takes seriously, and that led him to meet Terapagos eventually.
I wonder if Gibeon and the third friend in their group were also people who were curious about these mysteries and wanted to find out more about them. Maybe they didn't fit the norm during their time because of this. It makes me think a bit about the Rising Volt Tacklers since Friede and the others don't fit in the traditional expectations for their chosen professions and took other paths.
#even the current day explorers don't exactly fit expectations#(thinking about sango especially since she was told her own rules can't apply in society etc)#i like the thought that lucius's group may have been considered 'strange' during their time#if they sought out things that were considered fantastical#maybe lucius wanted to look into things no one believed in and got his friends to accompany him#i wonder if gibeon was skeptical about these things.. maybe going like “you're aware no one trusts that right”#but it only motivates lucius further to keep adventuring and look for these things#and maybe gibeon himself had interest in these stories#and lucius being willing to take these things seriously captivates him.. (his smile also captivates him etc)#either way. i like the continuing line of people inspiring each other and leaving books behind#heather leaving a book behind which lucius read and lucius inspiring diana and liko and roy etc#lucius writing memoirs and diana also writing her own adventure log#and liko herself is also writing her own diary and observations about terapagos and other things#lucius#gibeon#hz071#character notes#episode notes
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Hi! Sorry if this ask is quite random for you to see, but is it ok to ask you that
On a scale of 1-10, how sexist and/or misogynistic would you rate the book Watership Down being?
I’m considering checking out the book, but I’m unsure whether I should do that or not due to the possible sexism within it. Thanks!
If you can't handle sexism, I would skip Watership Down. It's pretty bad in that aspect, enough that Ursula K Le Guin uses it as a major example of how misogyny expresses in xenofiction narratives.
In spite of how doe rabbits are the ones responsible for founding new warrens, the main characters are all bucks.
Does are spoken about a lot in terms of reproduction, and mostly that.
There is a massive plot point later where the all-buck party realizes they need women, and set out to get them.
There's an evil rabbit warren, and they show that this warren is evil partially because of some implied sexual assault of the does they control.
It was also written by a White British Man Of A Certain Era. It will sometimes drop a line that we find VERY racist in today's standards, particularly near the beginning where it compares the rabbit culture to... "other primitive societies."
#I think the movie and miniseries adaptations are better about it#I would rec the miniseries for you to start with#It's not FANTASTIC at totally fixing it but it does address it a little#It doesn't alter the all-buck party problem but it allows some does to be characters and play more of a role#AND it also has to maintain the 'we need women or our society will die' plot point#But it doesn't make the evil warren as... rapey I guess. To put it crassly.#Even though I like the movie better for maintaining more about how fast and brutal the life of the rabbits is#I think if you're more sensitive to darker themes the Miniseries is a good way to get the story in a more tame way#Also I heard no one likes the miniseries lmao but die mad it's Fine.#Like yeah the animation's a little jilted but it is Fine#I like some of the additions actually
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like guys i promise im aware blossomfall is meant to be a glass child. i just think she’s a poorly written one lmao
#tbh thats why my feelings on her are so strong. its a delicate topic for kids but time and time again#its been handled extremely poorly and just used as an excuse to hate disabled people#i think my exhaustion with these stories is bc they were sorta shoved down my throat by the school board growing up#because they heard ‘’wow you got TWO autistic brothers??? your life must SUCK ASS AND BALLS have this book abt how autism ruins families’’#wow cool i feel so much better guys. both about the ableism my family faces in general and about my undiagnosed autism#if i had to think. and i havent read this in forever so i could be misremembering. i think a decent example of a glass child trope#is the sister from ‘’wonder’’ (the book. idk what the movie did)#because while she’s an important character who struggles with internalized ableism#the focus is still on auggie and HIS struggles with his own disability and the ableism he faces as a result#and the sister isnt demonized for her feelings but she does still have to grapple with them#and accept her situation and that no one is at fault or anything. its just a consequence of an ableist society more than anything#again. been forever and ever since i read that book and iirc it does still have iffy shit like the one chapter on genetics#like to this day that sticks out as an uncomfortable chapter and idk if i can say its fantastic rep bc of that#but idk. i remember liking it fine as a kid#i always appreciated books that tried to get into multiple perspectives on the issues#also this is just me and ik it goes against the definition of the term#but man. kinda wish we’d get a glass child character thats also disabled and their disability is undiagnosed or ignored#for the sake of only prioritizing their sibling and bc they have to be ‘’the perfect abled child’’#because thats my story lol#wasnt allowed to be disabled or imperfect or need help because being a third disabled kid wouldve been too much
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Can I talk about the whole Reynie is a villain thing for a second because your Reynie in the snow story has been living in my brain RENT FREE since I read it and it WILL NOT LEAVE and can you just imagine building off of that to make him into a villain? (idk if you saw my comments or not on @nobodysdaydreams post but yeah)
Oh, absolutely. Go for it, friend!
I have a couple of ideas running around too (Several of them thanks to you!), but I'm super excited to hear your thoughts :D
#My brain has just decided to be goo at the moment#But I promise I'm working on a post about that stuff#Also#AFHJKHFSSAB#YOU LIKED MY STORY??????#THANK YOU??????#You're so amazing Kaslyn#And I can definitely see Reynie as a more 'well meaning' villain#He isn't TRYING to hurt people or scare them#But he's so single-minded in his goal to 'help' his family and prove himself#That he doesn't care about collateral damage#As I said#Working on a post about such things#But please by all means go nuts you have amazing ideas Kas <3#And I believe I did see most of your comments on Bods' post and they were fantastic#the mysterious benedict society#mbs#reynie muldoon#Asks
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Show/Movie: Depicts the world as always being cruel, dangerous and unfeeling. Treating human life as cheaply as dirt under their heel. Every rando the protagonists meet turning out to be selfish, apathetic, or secretly sadistic.
Me:
#this is about blue eye samurai#like I love the show#it’s fantastic#but the way the population of Japan seems to be about 30% human traffickers and/or ruthless killers#and most common everyday people are also presented as selfish and cruel#No one batting an eye as bodies pile up on their doorstep but only complaining about having to clean up the blood#like it’s not really a criticism of the story to be clear#it’s just got me thinking about how we tend to think of older societies as being very brutal and unforgiving#everyone desensitized to gore and violence#but I’m sorry no society in human history has ever treated human life this cheaply
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Well I meant to split this book up into two days and go to sleep before midnight but sure, 413 pages in... Wow. Three hours. I'm trying to be more intentional with my focus and get back into doing things in my free time that don't involve screens (hence intending to split it up) but it just kept feeling like running for the first time after being stuck in bed for a week. I needed to blaze through it the way I used to. Felt nice.
The book was "The Forest Demands Its Due" by Kosoko Jackson, and I'm a little annoyed it was YA after I was fairly clear to the bookseller that I was looking for adult fiction, but she got most of everything else I asked for pretty right, so I'm not too mad. It's just. It was for teens so there's not a lot to chew on in some of the dimensions I had hoped for. But it was a good glimpse of the ideas of reparations and atonement, where blame falls and who benefits from perpetuating systems built on pain from generations ago, and the conversation around that was really neat coming from a Black, gay author and main character. I'm glad I read it.
#What I asked for was 'everything in the world looks like what you know - and maybe it is normal -#But something super fucked up is going on in this specific corner '#It's not quite urban fantasy. Closer to magical realism.#But that little shred of magic or gods or what have you is very real#I don't need a whole society and new world built#I need human stories with that element of the otherworldly whether metaphorical or plainly given#On a good day both#Anyway it's sleepy time#I like when a book has fantastical elements but also it's set in Vermont#Or Virginia#You know how it is
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#1 interaction of my larp weekend:
"Arbiter [me] this is the accused [of stabbing another character, unprovoked.]"
"What is your name sir?"
"*high pitched whistle noise*"
"Uh...right. Do you have a nickname? I'm not sure how to write that in the report."
"Friends call Murder Bird? That do?"
"M...Murder...Bird. Alright then."
"I didn't do. Stupid-hat-weird-eye-nice-sword just mad. He took down my heads, made big shout bout. He want so bad, I put in bed for. No stab."
"...your...heads?"
"Kill bandits. Eat. Use bones for axes, heads on spikes to keep more bandits away. Protect town. Use all parts, otherwise wasteful."
"...but you didn't stab this man?" *gestures to alleged victim*
"No."
"...right..."
#for context: MB is a member of our bird-folk race who has only recently joined humanoid society and believes he is a Harpy#despite the name/the fact that it sounds like the answer is in the question. he was found to be innocent of charges#although it did lead to a separate discussion which was tabled for the future about what counts as Desecration of the Dead#larp stories#just larp things#Mythical Journeys LARP#these newcomers to town are going to drive the arbiter to drink#it's going to be Fantastic!
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I’m fed up! I’m not even mad-- just disgusted! If this is the way you want it, Doiby-- you can have it!
Alan & Doiby in Comic Cavalcade (1942) #17
(Alfred Bester, Paul Reinman)
#SCENES FROM THE CLASS STRUGGLE IN GOTHAM CITY#legitimately one of the single most compelling stories about class dynamics ive read in any comic ever. and i mean this fully and sincerely#alan scott#doiby dickles#green lantern#jsa#justice society of america#justice society#paul reinman#alfred bester#al bester#dc#dc comics#dcedit#comicedit#comicsedit#u can reblog#folks i could talk about this one for hours. my god what fantastic stories we used to have
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🤍 share something about Amber you've been thinking about recently
Not necessarily Amber herself, but bc the Emissary Verse isn't enough of an xover as is...
The Moon Knight system is technically the Emissary Verse's equivalent of the Spectre! Both are humans resurrected by mystical forces, have a similar suit (as Moon Knight specifically) and a similar... harsh attitude to crime (I could not see the Moon Knight system or Khonsu approving of some of the shit that Raguel does).
Steven even picks the name Spectre for himself after Amber discovers another alter who takes the name Mr Night. He bases it off the white costume reminding him of a ghost, before deciding on the name Spectre!
#the spectre is a major member of the justice society which the mk system occasionally takes part in#OC: Amber#story: emissary verse#i need to talk about more emissary verse xovers#and the fact that its kind of a patchwork fic of multiple different sources#like in my head the batman and joker of the emissary verse are the dcau batman and joker#while superman is the dceu superman bc henry cavill deserves sooo much better#theres also the tmnt#and the main marvel reps outside of the mk system are the x men the fantastic four etc.#like its basically earth 27... but with an overpowered mary sue lol
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Just read the most beautiful and vile horror manhwa, my life is forever changed
#it was fantastic#and truly horrifying#‘you have to give it your liver. otherwise it’ll curse your bloodline for eternity’#and cursing he did#like. imagine the person that raised you practically like her pwn daughter suddenly said ‘actually the person you thought i was is dead’#‘i wish to be with you forever and since I can’t do that as a mother I’ll marry you as a man’#and proceeds to not only change appearance but also make you immortal and then kill all your family and friends#and then completely isolates you from society. since neither of you need to drink nor eat#and when you finally convince him to let you go just a little bit .#he kills everyone you started to care abt (again)#what if you were eternally trapped with a creature that desperately wanted to love as human but ultimately couldn’t#except he does actually love you. and the more you accept his love the less human you become#until everyone died. until you became folklore. with him.#he made you a monster only to become more huma#forever.#like. i cannot express this is words this story is so incredibly fucked
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Haunted Lincoln Park, Chicago & Lake County, Illinois with Tony Szabelski, Fantastic Story Society Podcast
We chat with Chicago Haunted History tour guide Tony Szabelski about haunted places in Lake County, IL and downtown, specifically Lincoln Park.
I’m excited to co-host a couple of upcoming Lake County Ghost tours with one of Chicago’s premiere storytellers, Tony Szabelski. Before hopping on the bus for our all-day adventures, I wanted to get him on The Fantastic Story Society to hear about some of the other tours he gives throughout Chicago. You can find all of the Chicago-area tour info on the American Ghost Walks website here. The Lake…
#Chicago#fantastic story society#ghost hunting#ghost tour#house on rainbow road#Lake County#Lincoln Park
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It's been rattling around my head recently that Discworld is almost anti-whimsy, and I mean that in a good way.
Whimsy, as I define it, is when something magical is put in just to wow the reader. A magic thing that doesn't really effect the story, but its fantastical. Pots cleaning themselves? Moving paintings? A fantastical creature used as set dressing? A spell that does something cool but we'll never hear about it again? What do they mean? Why are they there? Doesn't matter, we're moving on.
But Discworld always applies Logic to these things.
e.g. The old idea of all dwarfs having beards? Ha ha, even the women have beards. How silly.
But that means all dwarfs are men. But there are female dwarfs, right? Are they happy being men? What if you gave one the chance not to be a man? Oh, sure, they'd still have the beard, the helmet, the axe, those are cultural, but what if a dwarf wanted to be a woman? How would other dwarfs react? Would there be biting insults? Snide remarks? Jealousy from other female dwarfs trapped in their society? What if the Low King were a woman? What then?
Pratchett always had this tenacity to follow a whimsical idea until it was ground down in its own grim reality. It's like those old conversations about what would really happen if Superman caught you falling from a high building. You'd smash on his arms because you're still hitting something indestructible at terminal velocity. But the comics would never show that.
Pratchett shows that.
Introduces a werewolf? She has a constant identity crisis and feels like a dog sometimes, between human and wolf, and she's discriminated against in places for being undead. A conman running a bank? Forces everyone to realise how useless gold really is in a scathing indictment of economics. Death becomes Santa? But WHY DOES THE LITTLE MATCH GIRL NEED TO DIE? WHY THE UNFAIRNESS IN THE WORLD? WHY?
What can the harvest hope for, if not the care of the Reaper Man?
It's what sets these stories apart from so many others. Magic is never the solution, reality is usually the solution. And little is introduced without Pratchett delving the idea to its depths, sooner or later.
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Nine rings for mortal men doomed to die, five nights in an abandoned pizzeria, and one (1) fourth-generation Honda Odyssey.
Deadpool & Wolverine
Five Nights at Freddy's +26
Lord of the Rings +4
The Hunger Games +10
Saw +18
Dune +53
Barbie -6
Challengers
Trolls Band Together
Saltburn
Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse -9
Red, White, and Royal Blue -6
Transformers One
The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes +76
A Minecraft Movie
Nimona -12
The Hobbit +10
Inside Out 2
Scream
Mean Girls +17
Sonic the Hedgehog 3
Venom: The Last Dance +21
Twilight +1
How to Train Your Dragon +8
Dead Poets Society
The Boy and the Heron
Scott Pilgrim vs. the World
Ultraman: Rising
The Marvels +48
Goncharov -27
Coraline +16
Lisa Frankenstein
Howl's Moving Castle -7
Top Gun: Maverick -14
Les Misérables +9
Luca
An Extremely Goofy Movie
Steamboat Willie
The Addams Family -30
The Super Mario Bros. Movie
Shrek -24
Spirited Away -2
The Batman -2
Twisters
Trolls World Tour
Brokeback Mountain
Fight Club +41
Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire
I Saw the TV Glow
Star Wars: Episode III—Revenge of the Sith +12
Knives Out -40
Beetlejuice Beetlejuice
Rite Here Rite Now
The Nightmare Before Christmas +19
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem -34
The Princess Bride +4
Frozen -3
Little Shop Of Horrors
Monkey Man
Thunderbolts*
Night at the Museum +9
Gladiator II
The Lion King
Alien: Romulus
Ratatouille
Soul +5
Wreck-It Ralph
The Wild Robot
Pacific Rim -6
Avatar: The Way of Water -55
Princess Mononoke -13
Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes
American Psycho -16
The Thing -26
The Fantastic Four: First Steps
The Mummy -4
Longlegs
Heathers +18
Beauty And The Beast -46
Oppenheimer -67
Alien (1979)
Titanic
Equestria Girls -9
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story -42
The Little Mermaid -67
Marie Antoinette
Pirates of the Caribbean -3
The Lost Boys -12
The Dark Knight
My Neighbor Totoro -9
John Wick -42
Ponyo
Kung Fu Panda +4
Hellraiser -19
Encanto -50
Wish
The Shining
Star Wars: Episode IV—A New Hope
Ghostbusters
Lilo & Stitch -13
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I kind of wish warrior cats ended after arc 1 and it was remembered as a classic children's series that got cut short and had a small but nicely filtered fandom in the year 2023. I would miss very specifically Leafpool and Squirrelflight and the dozens of amazing MAPs based on the later arcs but at this rate I think we need to just stop
#warriors has never been fantastic but i think the first arc has a charm to it that's missing in the later series#i think the series has suffered greatly from focusing on this very linear progression of the cats' lives#cats feel like they live way too long and get born way too often and honestly it just gets exhausting to track it all#the incest problem and the flanderization problem and the firebaby nepotism could all be done away with#if you timeskipped years between the series#wc needs to either stop existing or it needs to do a soft reboot at some point#most of the books in the series are kind of bad and it might be more bearable if they didn't all impact each other lol#dotc sucked ass and it was important but most things beyond the founding of the clans and like 1 mention of shattered ice in#tallstar's revenge it wasnt that essential to have read. the most damning thing from that era was mothflight and her stupid rule#i would like warriors 1000 times more if i could just kind of ignore arcs that are shitty#i think warriors is at its best when it releases things barely connected to the rest of the series because the authors#are clearly not doing amazing at progressing the society of the clans#it feels pointless when we know medcats are never gonna have agency starclans never gonna be good clans will always be blindly conservative#so why not stop pretending to be a story about change and instead just have fun with new protagonists. go crazy go stupid#write some books about the mythological tiger/lion/leopardclans#anyways tldr: i hate warrior cats but i'm obsessed with it so i wish it stopped pretending to be good as a continuous story
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sometimes i worry that *i'm* wrong and SU is bad/rushed/blah blah. then i remember whites fragile need to be perfect and ego defense of thinking she's fixing things. i remember how its perfectly mirrored by stevens need to fix others. how its both beautifully symbolic in CYM an made more explicit and heart-rending in future.
yeah that shit rules. white being reformed is great. its the ultimate rebuttal to the ideology that only good/useful/perfect people deserve to live- which is exactly the standard white held herself and everyone else to. it mirrors stevens arc of selfless heroism. it mirrors the toxic, insecure selflessness thats plagued everyone from pearl to jasper to rose about what it means to "deserve" to live it ties into "love like you" of how learning self-love is intertwined with loving others. it ties into how steven can't let go of his hero role until he's confronted by *literally* having his own mind in white's body, hating the idea of being like her yet ironically reacting exactly how she would - "this is someone bad for society, they should be shattered, this is what's best for everyone." trying to hurt her only hurting him. trying to help her helping all of gemkind - from the corrupted gems to dismantling a system that was held up by those exact ideals.
yeah no SU is fantastic. i'm so sad that its reputation is "oh well it wasn't that good, but it had some lgbt+ rep :)" which is just about the most condescending crap ever. i would gladly flip it. i think most cartoons that have come after SU haven't been that interesting, they've just been mostly generic stories with some lgbt+ rep.
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