#fandom centrists

[heartshapedcreaturefromcriptoon]

Ayylmao.tv: Who's in the right? UwU The voice actors or the ai (content farm) channels? UwU

Me, about to go full Irish American Psycho: Haha, don't think that you're not a freaking idiot content farmer too now just for using your own zonked out arse incel voice lad, I so wish that you weren't alive! How 'bout you show us your Silver Play Button TM that you got from monetizing off everyone's misery, hmm? :)

[q--uee--n]

It doesn't quite sit well with me when parts of the fandom act as though they don't understand why, exactly, people become so hyper-defensive/are so hyper-sensitive when people bring up Mel being manipulative. It's because this trait has been weaponized to demean and disparage her at the expense of acknowledging any other nuance/facet about her character, and this also often goes hand-in-hand with ignoring the faults of other characters as to emphasize hers. The fact that Mel is a Black woman can not be put aside as a definitive factor as to why and how she's perceived the way she is—by both the fandom and the writers of the show. I would even argue that one of the show's original sins is a lack of understanding of the real-world intersections between race, class, and colonialism.

In regards to both Mel and Ambessa, this lack of understanding is evident in the writing. Writing that ignores the real-world implications of the Medardas and their social position relative to whiteness, which is one informed by socioeconomic and sociocultural disparities as a result of racism and misogyny. Yes, I understand it's a high fantasy show where things like racism don't exist, so to speak, but Arcane, like all media, is informed by the state of affairs of the world we live in. With classism—classism, which Black people are disproportionately victims of—being a core theme of the show (ostensibly), it's disingenuous to disregard the, from a Doylist perspective, haphazard nature of Mel's function in the narrative as a wealthy Black woman in a classist society juxtaposed against poor, oppressed white main characters (this also applies to Ambessa as a warmonger).

With that said, and harkening back to the beginning of this post, even if you're not bringing attention to Mel's flaws and complexities to demonize her, you have to acknowledge them in the context of her as a Black female character being written with little understanding of intersectionality and how they've been weaponized against her, which are the reasons people—specifically Black woman fans such as myself—are compelled to defend her (or even pretend these flaws don't exist. After all, it's never been a problem in fandom when non-black and male characters' flaws are erased/diminished. It can't suddenly become one now). It's easy to say Mel is a multi-faceted, three-dimensional character, thus, that's why downplaying her flaws is a disservice to her charcter, and this isn't an unreasonable point. However, it's harder to admit that the reason people point out these flaws is not always in the service of acknowledging her complexities but instead in the service of demonizing her due to internalized/unknown biases against Black women. In the end, no one has to like a character. No one even has to defend a character they don't like on principle. No one has to not be annoyed at the sanitization of a multidimensional character. But if those things are being done without an acknowledgement of how the perception of that character is mired by racism and misogyny—knowing or unknowing, from the writers on down—then maybe it's time to address some oversights or unpack some internalized biases before wondering why people feel the need to defend that character.

[dykedvonte]

One of my mutuals opinions is the "bro code" thing, that Curly is one of those guys who wouldn't care about the victim because the perpetrator is his friend and I'm really banging my head on the wall like that other anon. I've only played through the game once but Curly's behaviour/reactions etc read completely different from the "bro code" thing and I have to wonder if my mutual and I even played the same game.. like the constant digs at him from Jimmy, his body language in his face reveal and so on like you mentioned in your post. While this game is a little different obviously, it kind of reminded of a point in Alice Madness Returns that makes it very clear that Alice's pain blinded her to the abuse of the other children and her failure to act earlier because of it. Curly is guilty of a similar inaction but it doesn't change the fact he was a victim of Jimmy too. I don't think I can look at it any other way because both of these games have really stuck with me.

I genuinely think it really is the idea that people want a simple easy to blame problem and the idea that the only relatable victims of abuse are those that "surpass" it or do a lot to help others. When it comes to victims, especially those that don't fit the typical demographics, who either accidently perpetuate it, enable it or aren't ideal in some way shape or form, people jump to ignore what they went through as it's easier than dealing with those conflicting sentiments.

The bro-code conversation in Mouthwashing stems from a concept I generally dislike that there had to be something about Curly that made him meet or keep being friends with someone like Jimmy. I think people genuinely underestimate how many like decent and good people just know an asshole or are friends with someone who is really bad outside of their view/established dynamics. The game makes it clear none of the inaction against Jimmy is because of a lack of care, it is a lack of understanding from the privaleged postions they have as men to not have to worry about what Anya does/went through and the type of extremes men like Jimmy will go through to cover it up. They are all too preoccupied in their own strifes.

Another thing I see being oversaturated the idea that you have to be a freak, misanthrope or have a disorder to do the thing Jimmy does. The game is an escalation, it's a spiral that I don't see people comment on that Jimmy was not likely having the mood swings and episodes of rage/frustration we were seeing in the game. This is after they all start experiencing the worst moments in their lives that he got THAT openly bad. Of course, this is just my interpretation but much like in real life, people that go to extremes like that usually live mundane lives. It's a pressure cooker affect to where the stress made them pop. It's self inflicted but still the case.

I really think people need to be more willing to acknowledge that not everything needs to be an extreme or in black and white or easy to understand. It doesn't need to be happy or have an answer or solution, especially in the cases where the abused sadly helps perpetuate what they experience. It's not he should've known better from experience or shouldn't he have known what could've happened because victims tend to not like to think in matters of the worst. Not to mention, especially in cases of abuse where it feels so personally directed that you don't expect to happen to someone else.

[maxdibert]

Hating James Potter and being glad he was killed isn’t being a hater or an anti; it’s having class consciousness.

Eat the rich. Period.

[f4ggydog]

I fucking love luisa john keeps trying to be a centrist and say shit like “I’m here for two men that’s all I’m not taking sides” and then luisa GAGS him with the “by not making a choice, you’re making a choice.” EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY. EXACTLY. EXACTLY.

[tieria-erde]

was browsing disco merch on etsy saw a shirt that said "acab except for kim kitsuragi" and my eye twitched

[corvidkusnos]

I won't lie it's a little annoying how in fandom people automatically assume the worst of you if you dislike a female character or certain ships

I don't doubt that there are people who hate them for ill intentioned reasons but I wish you could just say you dislike them without then having to write a disclaimer dissecting your opinion and proving yourself when sometimes! You just don't like something!

[darknesspervades]

someone in the tags of a marauders post i made said "why is fandom political now?"

babygirl... i have news for you in regard to a certain group being a direct allegory for nazis....

[kanyniablue]

i just fundamentally had a different experience with kim kitsuragi & i think it boils down to the fact that my daddy issues don't manifest as a need for praise and encouragement from an emotionally distant man

[starry-eyer]

hotd never fails to disappoint

[heartshapedcreaturefromcriptoon]

You know? You guys are truly the only disappointing relatives I need, I guess...

Once again, I tricked myself into "checking in" with someone I've had on my "Do Not Recommend" list through Private Window just because I'm desperate to hear a woman talking about Hazbin, only for me to be subjected to more "Viv needs to get off of Social Media and get back in the kitchen" rhetoric, and who could forget the old classic listening that is listening to other Hazbin Hotel Fans calling each other "idiots" for everything from to having little to no standards to the most basic of standards, and then I have to see disgusting bullshit like this with my own eyes, posted by an adult who should know better:

I had taken the courtesy of blocking this dumb bitches username and shitty V-tuberSona out (because of course only another shitty V-tuber could have a take like this, if they aren't already a man) out for her own safety and so I don't become the subject of her next shitty monetized vivziepaparazzi clickbait vid, and I've already marked this image up to hell to the best of my ability despite how exhausted I was, so you can. pretty much get all of my notes if you zoom, but yes... A few highlights:

LOVE how this Black V-Tuber Woman's depiction of a Personified America that she just drew herself hugging here is like, a skinny, blonde, tanned White Woman in an American Flag Printed School Girl/Cheerleader Uniform complete with thigh high stockings squeezing her thighs while you can see the bottoms of her ass cheeks poking out from her mini skirt, very demure, very mindful, dare I say Little Miss TwitterSeXymerica is giving:

Again though, NOT her Assmerica hanging out! 💀

NOT the little "ntsg" whoever the fucks' watermark on the first batch of previously leaked/stolen footage this silly girl is using to talk about Medrano needing leave twitter after dealing the entire second season of her show being leaked and the Election Results that people like this bitch who drew that shitty picture also keep implying she should the fuck up about all while keeping/stealing/leaking her shit to monetize as clickbait while they use to talk about how much she supposedly sucks at social media... Fuck outta' here! 💀

...You know I don't give enough of a fuck about her shitty little "artistic statement" to go back into a goddamn fucking private window, fast forward, and check this, but I'm pretty sure the original twitter screen shot of this piece (of shit) that this dumb shit OP showed off in this particular vivziepaparazzi clickbait video as if it were a flex... Had both her V-tuberSona and her TwitterSeXymericaSona with their eyes closed while smiling and crying... Because OF COURSE they were smiling and crying! 💀

It's brain dead, tone deaf people and posts like these and the maturity of it all that sometimes truly makes me want to quit the Hazbin fandom, fandoms in general, and just never interact with any of it again, though I promised myself and others that Hazbin/Helluva will be my last time interacting in these spaces once it's over. I'm sorry, but I'm getting to old for this shit and I know that some of you will just go on consuming nothing but children's cartoons your entire lives while, let's say Hazbin/Helluva were my personal gate ways back to the Strong Sauce I already missed the taste of after years of softened.

But I do believe some of you deserve to be bullied for the shit you say and do past this point, especially after seeing the above image, and as they, if I had to suffer seeing this so do you... And now you have.

What happened had absolutely nothing to do with "democracy prevailing!" or whatever tacky eagle emoji shit you or whatever the fuck that first emoji even is you wanna be putting there though though and while I'm not too fond of..ugh... breadtube... I'm also white... And I think it would be beneficial to have a Black Man pointing out to Black Women Hazbin Fans (and anyone else who Goes Here and needs to hear it, even though it should be obvious..💀) what I don't feel comfortable having to explain myself, so here ya' go:

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Crappy fucksgiving everyone America is a lie built on genocide and Star vs. did an entire episode about it and love is never the answer BUT! Globgor love and bless Amir Talai and may Nina forever be the Eclipsa to his Alastor shipping crossover that the turbo nerds mad at me for even referencing can die mad about because it's all so cute and I'd proudly accept being an Amirican at least! 😎🔪

FUCK ACTUAL AMERICA THO!!!! 💀

[cringefaecompilation]

nobody's saying "ludinus is an innocent baby and we should ignore all of his white supremacist leanings and misogynistic abuse and innocent people he threw under the bus because he has a point and also you're not allowed to make fun of him cause he's traumatized" at least not on a massive scale. you are ALLOWED to hate ludinus. he's the bad guy.

people saying "maybe we can stand to examine his character and look into why he is like this and the system/hierarchy that could have radicalized him into having this mindset" is not woobification or forgiving/justifying his actions or saying he's off limits from criticism. i understand that a lot of you have bad memories of other fantasy and sci-fi villains getting babied by their fanbases, but this is not it.

[ghostly-omens]

The reason I do not post much about HermitCraft is because I would not be able to stop myself from bullying Xisuma. And not in a nice way.

[roostertuftart]

Also why r ppl back to trying to convince ppl Kyle is actually a shitty horrible person I thought we were through with that

[hexcrystals]

you can recognise that ed and izzy's relationship is mutually toxic and damaging without slapping a 'so they're both as bad as each other and neither of them were abusive' on the end of it btw it's not illegal

[littlemsterious]

ok so, like, the lore of demons and angels? beelzebub and uriel and hierarchy and fallen angles and all that?

where’s that from? is that in the bible? cause i was raised in church and i never got taught any of that.

where do i go for all that?