#false ssj

[bubzterr]

I think I’m so funny also false/pseudo ssj my love

sorry 2 whoever I stole that gif from i think it’s hilarious I want it tattooed on my forehead

[instaquarius]

100 DBZ OC ART CHALLENGE

1.) Introduction.  2.) Flight.  3.) Hero.  4.) Full Moon.  5.) Transformation.  6.) Rage. 7.) Fusion (potara, Namekian, or finger fusion) 8.) Great Ape. 9.) Master and Student. 10.) Tournament. (Worlds Strongest Under the Heavens, the afterlife one from that one filler episode/arc, universes 6 v. 7 tournament, or the Tournament of Power) 11.) Fighting. 12.) Destruction. 13.) Ki control 14.) Aura. 15.) Blasts. 16.) Rivals. 17.) Quest. 18.) Family. 19.) Danger Zone. 20.) As a baby. 21.) With the Z sword (or training with the Z Sword) 22.) Victory. 23.) Death. 24.) Loss. 25.) Crisis. 26.) In other world. 27.) Snake way. 28.) Playing Baseball. 29.) At Kaio Samas' place. (In heaven?) 30.) In hell with HFIL ogres. 31.) Kaioshins' planet. 32.) Lovers. 33.) Doing Ginyu Force poses (or actually IN the Ginyu Force if you want XD) 34.) Saiyaman/Saiyagirl poses. 35.) 1st form, 2nd,3rd, 4th, (Golden or 5th form) 36.) Training in Gravity room 37.) Weighted Gi 38.) Wearing Earth clothes; casual 39.) in Dragonball art style (Like, before Z, Super etc.) 40.) Protection. 41.) Powering up. 42.) Fighting Frieza, Cell or Buu (or a movie villain) 43.) Universal Tournament. 44.) In the future. 45.) Immortality. 46.) Clones 47.) Finding the Dragonballs 48.) Meditating 49.) Fighting a God of Destruction 50.) Ritual 51.) Fighting the Legendary Super Saiyan 52.) Fighting in the Tuffle War 53.) Mind Control (by baby, Babidi, Towa/Mira etc.) 54.) As a Time Breaker 55.) As a Time Patroller 56.) Fighting the Z warriors.  57.) On Planet Vegeta. 58.) Getting absorbed (by a Majin?) 59.) False SSJ 60.) Getting turned into candy 61.) Inside the healing tank (like on Friezas spaceship) 62.) In the Hyperbolic Time Chamber (or Room of Spirit and Time) 63.) Eating. 64.) Revenge. 65.) Pride 66.) Sacrifice. 67.) Bloodied.  68.) Fear. 69.) Heart Virus. 70.) Meeting Arale (from Dr. Slump) 71.) Using the Kaioken. 72.) Climbing Korin Tower (like in original dragonball before flight was a thing) 73.) Wearing a Turtle Shell. 74.) Determined. 75.) Getting Married. 76.) Best Friends. 77.) Screams. 78.) Rescued. 79.) Mafuba. 80.) Killing. 81.) Defeat. 82.) Sadness. 83.) Happiness. 84.) In a Saiyan spacepod. 85.) Hatred. 86.) Crushed. 87.) Beam Struggle. 88.) Genki Dama (Spirit Bomb) 89.) Showering 90.) Wearing the pink Badman shirt 91.) Scheming. 92.) Fighting Merged Zamasu (or Regular Zamasu) 93.) Fighting a Black version of your OC (hint: Goku Black) 94.) Unlocked Potential.  95.) Confused. 96.) In highschool. 97.) Tears. 98.) Act of kindness 99.) Tag team 100.) With you (The creator of OC/artist) saying they survived the Challenge

Rules~~~~ 1.) Can go from any order you wish. It doesn't matter the order you do these in. 2.) Be creative. 3.) All writings/drawings must be related to DBZ in some way/the theme you choose to do. 4.) Link if you do do this? I'd love to see :3 5.) Also please leave a mention to this in your submissions~ 6.) You can use both OCs and cannon characters as long as its related to the series. 7.) Can be done whenever you feel like~ (No deadline or each theme has to be done once a day or anything) 8.) (Your also free to copy paste to a journal or something the themes to keep track of them as long as credits back to me)  9.) Have fun~

[bahnloopi]

Can a Sento achieve a Super saiyan state?

Yes and no. I will explain in a infograph I'm making in better detail but the premise is -

Yes; Pure Sentos can learn "super saiyan properties". This means they can learn the ki elements, (some) movesets, flight, everything in between.

No; Pure Sento Saiyans DO NOT transform PHYSICALLY into the super form they are utilizing. This is intentional. Their eyes will change if they are using forms (1-3). They work similar to Ikari/Wrathful Broly where he utilizes the power of the Oozaru but visually stays in a base-type form.

For Sentos, this is a genetic deception tactic. Since the Oozaru is already a dominant element of their make-up, their hair color WILL NOT change. This makes it harder for an enemy to distinguish a change in power until they Sento deals damage to them directly.

SSJ typically indicates a change in power or boost. It's flashy. With Sentos, its discrete. It's to keep you guessing what form they're utilizing since you can't really see or detect it until they engage you.

This is a different approach I want for them because everyone and their mother makes Super Saiyans. This is me fully playing with the idea of "false super saiyan" (yes, I know it's an animation error but it slaps as a concept)

But super saiyan properties are something that is not natural to Sentos. It must be taught to them by an outside source (ie: Goku or Vegeta)

**We won't touch god ki for Sentos. The requirements and scaling are too inconsistent for me to properly gauge so I leave it to Goku/Vegeta

[galexibrain]

100 DBZ OC art challenge master post

Original post by @instaquarius

Using this to link all the fanarts I made for this challenge.

I don't know how far I'm going to come with this but it'll be great practice and a playground to expand on my favorite OC :3

Not doing them chronologically but however I want. Or drawing lots XD

1.) Introduction. See post 2.) Flight. 3.) Hero. 4.) Full Moon. 5.) Transformation. 6.) Rage. 7.) Fusion (potara, Namekian, or finger fusion) 8.) Great Ape. 9.) Master and Student. 10.) Tournament. (Worlds Strongest Under the Heavens, the afterlife one from that one filler episode/arc, universes 6 v. 7 tournament, or the Tournament of Power) 11.) Fighting. 12.) Destruction. 13.) Ki control 14.) Aura. 15.) Blasts. 16.) Rivals. 17.) Quest. 18.) Family. 19.) Danger Zone. 20.) As a baby. 21.) With the Z sword (or training with the Z Sword) 22.) Victory. 23.) Death. 24.) Loss. 25.) Crisis. 26.) In other world. 27.) Snake way. See post 28.) Playing Baseball. 29.) At Kaio Samas' place. (In heaven?) 30.) In hell with HFIL ogres. 31.) Kaioshins' planet. 32.) Lovers. 33.) Doing Ginyu Force poses (or actually IN the Ginyu Force if you want XD) 34.) Saiyaman/Saiyagirl poses. 35.) 1st form, 2nd,3rd, 4th, (Golden or 5th form) 36.) Training in Gravity room 37.) Weighted Gi 38.) Wearing Earth clothes; casual 39.) in Dragonball art style (Like, before Z, Super etc.) 40.) Protection. 41.) Powering up. 42.) Fighting Frieza, Cell or Buu (or a movie villain) 43.) Universal Tournament. 44.) In the future. 45.) Immortality. 46.) Clones 47.) Finding the Dragonballs 48.) Meditating 49.) Fighting a God of Destruction 50.) Ritual 51.) Fighting the Legendary Super Saiyan 52.) Fighting in the Tuffle War 53.) Mind Control (by baby, Babidi, Towa/Mira etc.) 54.) As a Time Breaker 55.) As a Time Patroller 56.) Fighting the Z warriors. 57.) On Planet Vegeta. 58.) Getting absorbed (by a Majin?) 59.) False SSJ 60.) Getting turned into candy 61.) Inside the healing tank (like on Friezas spaceship) 62.) In the Hyperbolic Time Chamber (or Room of Spirit and Time) 63.) Eating. 64.) Revenge. 65.) Pride 66.) Sacrifice. 67.) Bloodied. 68.) Fear. 69.) Heart Virus. 70.) Meeting Arale (from Dr. Slump) 71.) Using the Kaioken. 72.) Climbing Korin Tower (like in original dragonball before flight was a thing) 73.) Wearing a Turtle Shell. 74.) Determined. 75.) Getting Married. 76.) Best Friends. 77.) Screams. 78.) Rescued. 79.) Mafuba. 80.) Killing. 81.) Defeat. 82.) Sadness. 83.) Happiness. 84.) In a Saiyan spacepod. 85.) Hatred. 86.) Crushed. 87.) Beam Struggle. 88.) Genki Dama (Spirit Bomb) 89.) Showering 90.) Wearing the pink Badman shirt 91.) Scheming. 92.) Fighting Merged Zamasu (or Regular Zamasu) 93.) Fighting a Black version of your OC (hint: Goku Black) 94.) Unlocked Potential. 95.) Confused. 96.) In highschool. 97.) Tears. 98.) Act of kindness 99.) Tag team 100.) With you (The creator of OC/artist) saying they survived the Challenge

[sweetescapeartist]

ANIME vs MANGA: How Strong Is Android 17?

Many fans often claim that Android 17 is at the same level of power as SSB. This is both TRUE and FALSE at the same time. How so? Because it depends on which continuity you are referring to.

TLDR; DBS Anime 17 IS NOT as strong as SSB. DBS Manga 17 IS ALMOST as strong as SSB.

DBS ANIME CONTINUITY 📺

# 17 was shown to be much weaker than SSB Goku, SSB Vegeta, Golden Freeza, and Ultimate Gohan during the ToP. #17's power appears to be in the same realm of power as Piccolo, but stronger. #17 likely reached a level of power above SSJ3, but below SSG. One reason being, Android 17 is impressed by the power of a battle worn Golden Freeza & Jiren.

Unlike characters who can transform, #17's advantage in the ToP was not soley strength based. #17's number one advantage was his infinite energy. He could fight at 100% at all times & never tire.

For comparison sake, I bring up Krillin because he is one of 2 non-Saiyan allies who has a 1-on-1 sparring match against SSB Goku. Their match aids in explaining #17's power level.

Certain DB fans conveniently forget that Goku likes to test out his opponents. He will use weaker SSJ forms against a stronger opponent just to gauge their power. Similarly, Goku went from base to SSJ then to SSB against his teammates just to see what they would do against such an opponent like himself.

KRILLIN vs SSB GOKU - #18 mentions that Krillin was depleted on ki from his match with Gohan, then Krillin depleted more of his ki when he almost knock Goku out of bounds twice, then an already tired Krillin had a beam struggle against SSB. Despite being low on energy, Krillin gave everything he had to push back SSB Goku's suppressed Kamehameha, causing Goku to use a bit more energy when testing out a tired Krillin.

ANDROID 17 vs SSB GOKU - Although he never tires & never runs out of energy, #17 also had to increase his own power when sparring against a suppressed SSB Goku (#17 is yelling too in this gif, but his arm is covering his mouth).

At times, DB characters yell to raise their ki a bit higher. Sometimes they are just slightly raising their ki level with a shout, other times they are going all out. In the case of SSB Goku vs Krillin & Android 17, Goku yelled in both instances, but he was far from his full power. Krillin's yell indicated that he was giving everything he had. 17's yell indicated that he was exerting more power, but he still had some reserved power to spare. Yelling doesn't always indicate 100%.

The facts are this... We are told & shown that the already super strong Android 17 has gotten far stronger than he was in DBZ. We are also shown & told that DBS Krillin has also gotten far stronger than what he was in DBZ. Neither of the brothers are of SSB level. #17 is obviously stronger than Krillin, but since Android 17 also has infinite stamina, he can compete with a suppressed SSB Goku for a longer period of time than what Krillin can. So, in the Tournament of Power, when fighters like Goku, Vegeta, Golden Freeza, & Gohan run low on ki from intense battles, at some point, #17 can keep up with them in regards to power. At least that's how it is for the DBS Anime Continuity.

DBS MANGA CONTINUITY 📕

In the DBS manga continuity, #17 is said that be almost as strong as SSB Goku & SSB Vegeta. Somehow... from barely training... #17's almost on their level...

Well, that's Toyotaro's writing for ya.

(Don't bring up the Pseudo Cell Jrs. because those are just bonus pages that are similar to a what-if story. The words Toyotaro used are even "perhaps" "if so" & "maybe" which reveals those pages are simply a what-if idea by Toyotaro. Link where I explain it here.)

This is Toyotaro believing the Tournament of Power was ONLY about strength. Which is why he quickly got rid of non Saiyan characters like Krillin & Tien. Meanwhile, with the DBS anime, series director Ryōta Nakamura understood that Toriyama wanted these different characters for a reason other than soley strength & he made use of their unique skill set & fighting styles. (Link to full interview here.)

But, this isn't the only time power levels differed in the DBS anime & DBS manga during the ToP.

Anime Krillin >> Manga Krillin

Anime Tien > Manga Tien

Anime Roshi << Manga Roshi (randomly stronger)

Anime Piccolo ≥ Manga Piccolo

Anime No. 18 > Manga No. 18

Anime No. 17 < Manga No. 17

Anime Gohan ≤ Manga Gohan (randomly stronger)

Anime Vegeta ≥ Manga Vegeta

Anime SSBE Vegeta << Manga SSBE Vegeta

Anime Freeza > Manga Freeza

Anime Goku > Manga Goku

Anime MUI Goku > Manga MUI Goku

Anime Jiren >> Manga Jiren

Anime Toppo >> Manga Toppo

Anime Dyspo > Manga Dyspo

Anime Anilaza >> Manga Anilaza

Anime Kale < Manga Kale

Anime Saonel & Pilina >>> Manga Saonel & Pilina

Just some observations I thought would help clear things up regarding power levels between the DBS anime & manga continuties. I don't do the numeric stuff like power scalers. A numeric scale became obsolete after the Freeza Saga & turned into a guessing game aside from guidebooks telling us that SSJ is 50× base, SSJ2 is 100× base, & SSJ3 is 400× base. But, in DBS, god ki is immeasurable by a numeric scale & base power levels for Saiyans and non-Saiyan characters has increased since DBZ.

[thetruekyle]

Things I do, which the modern medical industrial complex hates:

I eat my boogers on a case-by-case.

I pick my scabs every 3-5 days when I have 'em.

I wash my face with hot water and a mild cloth.

I brush my teeth without a buffing paste.

29 time out of 30, washing my hair is just a hot water rinse and wet brushout.

I balance mood deficiencies by trusting my impulse cravings for healthier, nutrient dense snacks, and foods; the 'hangry' is real.

I know the broad spectrum of uses for Peroxide besides just allowing my hair to externally reflect an internal elevation to SSJ+.

I know how to evaluate my own hydration levels based on the color of my urine, with the extra notation of induced kidney function due to toxic consumption that tends to give a false positives.

I can anecdotally identify the differences between muscular, skeletal, and other cognitive or nervous pangs and more accurately diagnose and treat minor ails of every sort.

I understand the burdensome knowledge that no such healing or restoration of the physical being can occur without the pain of regrowth and at the very least- cellular mitosis.

I know that growth, healing, and sheer survival itself: hurts.

But because I know also that graciously accepting each new day of Life itself as not simply a given thing -is the most rewarding pursuit known to mankind because the only thing truly valuable other than self-subsistence- is time: all the things we can do with it, and all the ways we can attain and/or possess more of it to thereagain do more for ourselves and others for His glory.

I don't need doctors, because I am already more cognizant and knowledgeable of the body and its inherent capacity for numerous seen and unseen wounds, AND how to regard and in most cases- heal those injuries from the inside, out and the outside, in.

I live in TRUTH and have the balls to speak honestly and earnestly about how I do what I do, even if that hurts bigger corporate giants whom have entire business models built upon deceit that have already been used for decades to simultaneously fleece, drug, and ultimately lead millions directly to slaughter for generations. . .

[cupcraft]

I think the voice change was utilized well in SSJ's debut on Namek because like Goku's rage had surpassed a point to where he was like an icy sort of false calmness aside from the few times he snapped (yelling at Gohan, "you fool!", etc.) but the thing is is like in later iterations it seems like they make his voice like. Flatter too? It's fucking weird

YES this is an excellent pt it worked so well on namek esp the circumstances of his transformation then but then it just was kinda weird

[yusuke96universe]

Turles and Lord Slug Team Up Pitch

Introduction

Hello guys, after watching MasakoX's What If Turles Turned Good parts 1 and 2 [which act more like an origin story for him within the frameworks of modern Dragon Ball similar to Super Broly] I thought I would share an old headcanon origin I had for another Dragon Ball Z movie Villain, Lord Slug and how it could make for an excellent part in this What If story that has captured my imagination. Also, it opens up a lot of potential avenues for ood DBZ storytelling.

I know he's considered one of the most uninteresting Villains in the franchise since he is essentially King Piccolo from space, but rushed in an hour long movie. Let's face it, a lot of DBZ villains aren't inherently interesting characters and usually are introduced as Pure Evil tropes

Trope Talk: Pure Evil https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-XprjlATEo

Irrelevant backstory

very simple motivation

enthusiastic, zestful villainy

Pure self-confidence

Third -Act Breakdowns (where they are faced with what they truly fear and usually fail)

Afterward, they could be open to becoming a more nuanced character to explore as we've seen done time and again with cast of redeemed or evolved villains in Dragon Ball

A lot of the movie villains from the franchise would be more interesting if they weren't rushed or were expanded on and boy does Lord Slug bring a lot to the table if he is expanded on.

1) You could have Turles and Lord Slug form a dynamic duo that counterparts Goku and Piccolo. Turles is a trouble-making youth-filled underdog who has taken a shine to the crabby old man that is Slug. Turles could use a lot more modern methods to contrast Slug's far more traditional warmongering that he's developed over the centuries. (They did it a little in Xenoverse 2, but you could really expand upon it in a MasakoX styled What If) Plus, the Tree of Might likely has the ability to restore Lord Slug's youth since it canonically resurrected fossils, so Turles literally has the solution to Lord Slug's main problem plaguing him and is an open-minded businessman by nature. This hypothetical team-up of working together to gain more power, invade planets for their resources and overthrow the Universal order by killing Frieza before returning to enemies, acts as an inverse counterpart of Goku's and Piccolo's initial alliance against the Saiyans invading the Earth interfering with Piccolo's own conquest, but opened the doors for change in him and others.

2) Most likely these 2 would start off as enemies and have their forces face off against one another, but this struggle is a good thing in the long run because they could potentially provide each other, their own personal Third Act Breakdowns or at least teach each other recognize their own flaws and weaknesses to help each other grow as characters.

Lord Slug's backstory, retooled

Planet Slug

The most fun thing I found was that they gave Turles a proper origin story to build a character around, well I have a suggestion for a similar concept for Lord Slug that I think you guys could use in many different ways, but before that. Here are the facts. In the backstory I found in supplemental materials, it is stated by Guru that Lord Slug and other Evil Namekians could have possibly escaped the crisis on Namek and moved to far-flung planets in other parts of the Universe. One Super Namekian named himself after the Demon inhabited world he found himself on, known as Planet Slug. And judging from the movie, Planet Slug is most likely an icy or snow-covered planet since the Demons needed special suits to withstand the Earth's temperature.

By the way, I imagine that Planet Slug and its people could have a Mongolian theme. (I have a sketch I did for an alternate costume for Slug, but I don't remember how to post atm)

If say Lord Slug came to this planet and eventually took it over in the King Piccolo style, then I could see him having birthed a clan of Evil Namekian children to help him in this endeavor. So let's say there are about as many Namekians children as Guru or King Piccolo birthed, then they are likely different clans of Namekians on the Planet, including a Dragon Clan member capable of creating their own set of Dragon Balls. In this way, Planet Slug could act as an alternate substitute for Planet Namek, but one closely resembling how the team initially pictured Namek as a planet full of evil Piccolos, instead of the peace-loving farmers of Namek. Now, why would Slug be in space expanding his Empire and searching for Dragon Balls when his planet likely already has a set? In the movie, it's best not to think about it, but here is my idea.

Why Lord Slug is REALLY in Space

One of Lord Slug's offspring usurped him from the throne due to his old age and sickly body. So Slug was humiliatingly forced to flee his home or was looked down on as a non-threat banished him and his most loyal men off-world to live in shame and to never be seen again. So he is conquering other planets, partly because he is a refugee, but mostly because he is overcompensating for his lost and trying to help his ego by living in denial and reassuring that He is the Baddest Baddie who ever lived and terrorize/kill those weaker than him as he ever expands his empire, lamenting his old age and sickened body. He believes that if he was in his prime, he could take his throne back no problem and make them all pay for wronging him. Luckily, Slug doesn't need the Dragon Balls to regain his youth. If the Tree of Might's Fruit is capable of reviving fossils, it should be able to restore the Super Namekian to his former glory once again.

Turles's Crusher Corps vs Lord Slug's Army

A fun way they could introduce the factions to each other is as competition for a lush planet. Turles wants it for the Tree of Might, and Slug wants to freeze it for them for their conquest. They both are in each other's way, so they all fight it out. I think Slug has stronger minions, but Crusher Corps have better teamwork, and with Turles being in prime fighting condition, he would tip the scale in their favor much like Goku did in the movie.

At first, I thought Slug wouldn't be much of a match for Turles in his old and sickly state, a little trouble sure since he is the strongest, but that aged body wouldn't do him any favors. However, the first Google search result I got on Old Slug's Power level said he was at 79,000 so he's stronger than I first thought. (I thought he was around Nail's power level roughly in the 40,000) I also heard that Turles was around 19,000 but by the end of the movie was like 300,000. These power levels don't mean too much when reimagining the stories, just that Turles might have more of an uphill struggle. So, Turles would first have to eat some Fruit to win in a landslide and hopefully, the Terrafreezing process didn't ruin the Tree of Might's process.

Right before the killing blow, Old Slug might've mentioned something In desperation to save his own life. He could've brought up the Dragon Balls on his home Planet Slug/ Namek could grant any wish he wanted. This is just enough to stop Turles from following through with his attack, but it takes a little more coaxing for Slug to sell the legitimacy to Turles. A part of Turles thinks this might just be hogwash, but if this is anything like the Tree of Might, this could be a huge find. Another game-changer. He has his men take Slug with them as he checks in with the Heaters' database and finds there could be a kernel of truth to this tall tale. So Turles generously spares the old Slug's life for this useful tip which is met with some impatient ire.

If you hate being old so much, why don't you just use these Dragon Balls of yours to make yourself young again? -Turles

I would if I could, but... but I can't. I've been banished from my homeworld by my own children after they usurped me from my throne.-Slug

hahaha So you're just some washed-up old geezer trying to feel tough by throwing your power around at a bunch of weaklings. -Turles

Watch it! If I was in my prime, I wouldn't have ever let that rebellion get that far and even made short work of you and your men. If it weren't for that Fruit of yours, you'd be nothing. -Slug

WHAT WAS THAT. (composes himself) Interested in the Fruit are you, well I am not naive enough to let you ever sink your rotten teeth in one. At least, not for free. We, the Crusher Corps, are branched off of the Heaters' group who are known to deal in intelligence. If you have some more valuable information to pass on then, I could be convinced to trade off a leftover Fruit from our latest venture. Do you have anything else to offer me, old man?

(Slug’s low growling sounds are giving Turles just the biggest shit-eating grin on his face)

Slug could tell Planet Slug's coordinates, could act as their guide, or how to use their Dragon Balls, or even that they need a native speaker to use them and a password.

Turles throws him a Fruit as he is a businessman and honors his deals. This not only works in reviving the Elder Namekian, but the results are far better than expected by restoring Slug to his prime. Turles is both impressed and a little unnerved by this so he opens up a dialogue as he scans Lord Slug's new power. (he thought it would add a few decades back onto his old life since he seemed ancient, but it straight up made him young again) They discuss what had just happened and Turles's operation using the Tree of Might's Fruit to amass enough power for him and his men to kill Frieza and possibly overthrow him. Lord Slug in the meantime has been enjoying his youthful appearance and renewed vigor during the conversation, not looking Turles in the eye, but still expressing interest in this operation and compliments the plan. Turles offers a proposition to Lord Slug to join them on this endeavor if he helps them get those "Dragon Balls" he mentioned right before.

That's right. You're interested in the Dragon Balls, are you? Well, I am interested in that Tree of yours. It could keep someone young and strong forever, and this whole operation of yours is simply remarkable! -Slug

So you're in? -Turles

Remarkable enough for me to take it for myself! So I'll be doing just that! - Slug

Round 2 Super Namekian Rampages

The Super Namek overwhelms all of them, even Turles, after just eating a bunch of fruit, the gap is just too wide. He sadistically tortures them and strikes fear into their hearts. Turles isn't just put on the backfoot, he ends up on the brink of life and death. He needs to reach down deep, and something in him snaps, could be his Saiyan pride, could be becoming helpless and at someone else's mercy, could even be one of his men, that unbeknownst to himself, he had grown fond of perished, his regret for overly relying on outside gains to accomplish his ambitions. Don't know, don't care, but something doesn't sit right with Turles and this something acts as the catalyst for him to transform, but not into the traditional Super Saiyan we've all come to know. No, Turles goes into the False Super Saiyan state and overwhelms the Super Namek almost beat for beat like FSSJ Goku vs Slug from the movie, but this time, it lasts the duration of the fight. It's more of a SSJ Goku vs Frieza kind of fight with Turles's victory.

Turles diet of Tree of Might fruit has affected his body's genes and so when he transforms it's not the traditional SSJ form like everyone else, but the False Super Saiyan state that Goku used against Lord Slug. (The Saiyan loses their pupils and also uses SSJ's original color scheme with the flickering red and black hair and the orange skin with a lingering Aura effect) They could have a lot of fun with the benefits and drawbacks this form and its potential evolutions could have. False SSJ potentially falls into the theme of using Fruit as a shortcut to power vs earning the power legitimately or as a simple means to contrast with Goku.

Post Fight ~ Alliance?

Slug doesn't die though, or if he does, Turles is smart enough to revive him with the Tree of Might's extract in a similar way as the fossilized twins were. The reason is simple, Turles believes that Slug's knowledge of his people is going to be essential in the nearby future, and since he's shown whose boss by dominating the Super Namekian, they can now work together to overthrow stronger enemies like Frieza by using his Planet's Dragon Balls. The Crusher Corps gets a guide and an ally; Slug gets his revenge and the prospect of taking Frieza's empire for himself by joining this operation is too much for him to pass up. This is a temporary truce to defeat stronger opponents and gain power, but once that is over, they are going back to killing one another similar to how Goku and Piccolo formed an alliance against the Saiyans invading earth.

1) A Super Namekian could exploit their race's fusion ability through some method of Mind Control like in the original Broly movie. So Slug or his evil offspring could literally absorb one another or even someone as powerful as Nail or Piccolo if the influence is strong enough to join together. And Turles with the Heaters' resources might just be able to provide a means to provide Slug this, with some precautions of course.

2) Slug might have knowledge of Kai and Demon Realms considering he is both an older Namekian like Guru, and the fact that he Planet Slug is literally inhabited by Demons, a different breed of Demons, but still Demons nonetheless. In the games, the Tree of Might's Fruit had its effects amplified in the Demon Realm, but the same might be said if the Tree is planted on the World of the Supreme Kais or Beerus' planet. It's just a possible option for later down the line, but if there was ever a planet that could sustain that Tree and boosts its effects it would be one of these places.

This is it, I know MasakoX likes to do the space opera thing with multiple factions and also like to mix things up from the original story from time to time, so I thought Planet Slug would be an interesting means to do so and giving Turles a partner to bounce off of is typical Toriyama writing, could even open up new avenues to explore.

Am I expecting this to happen. Honestly, I have low expectations MasakoX and his team would do this and they got their own plans of inserting Turles into the main story likely connected to the character in the hood (who is probably Zamasu for some reason like in the Gero What If) or one of the Saiyans from Turles' team or even eager to get him into the main story with the Z-Cast, possibly trying to win Gohan to his side, but getting converted by him like what happened to Piccolo, but I don't mind. My expectations are low, but my hype is through the roof, and needed to share my fan theories with someone.

[shinygoku]

[dragonballclassic]

[dbzebra]

"Z broly > Super Broly as a character"

Explain. Elaborate.

Oooh thanks for the ask!! Lol this got long, apologies ahead of time

Okay so first all, people COMPLETELY MISUNDERSTAND Z Broly as a character. Like, they take what he became in movie 10/Second Coming, with no context, meme on that, and think that’s his entire character. When that is sooo far from the truth.

First of all, Z Broly in movie 8/Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan is very subtle as a character. They don’t outright spell out things for you about him or why he does what he does(ex, attacking Gohan, but I’ll get to that later), the backstory especially is very metaphorical.

Broly doesn’t hate Goku because of crying. Broly is a Saiyan and what are Saiyans first and foremost? Fighters. And Broly “lost” against Goku for being hurt by his crying. That’s why right before Goku has that final punch, he flashes back to that moment of when he was a baby, not only being left for dead as Planet Vegeta was being blown up, he remembers being “defeated” by Kakarot just as he’s about to beat him again. He gets punched in the exact same spot he was stabbed as a baby.

People like to criticize Z Broly as “he hates Goku cause he cried” or “all he says is Kakarot” which both are false. Similar to Vegeta, Broly hates Goku because Goku bested him. One way or another, despite him being so weak, Goku “beat” the Legendary Super Saiyan.

On the first point, Broly is clearly mentally unstable. The power was too much for him even at a young age and turned him into a psychopath. He was stabbed as an infant and left to die along with Paragus cause he was too powerful. Then that same day Planet Vegeta explodes practically on top of them. The rest of his life hes basically either being controlled or on a rampage. He likes destruction. He likes fighting, loves it actually. You can see it during his fights in Movie 8.

On the second point, Broly was already mentally unstable in movie 8 when Goku punched a hole in him. Broly literally exploded cause he had so much power in him. and then nearly dying, getting caught in the explosion of a SECOND PLANET. and then being frozen for seven years, near death. It’s like that final cord snapped.

Once again, woken up by the cries of Goten (aka being defeated by Goku AGAIN). He’s so blinded by his rage of beating Goku that it’s all he cares about. And when Goku actually shows up in Second Coming, the dude smirks and starts laughing.

Z Broly has really awesome moments and there’s a reason why he’s a popular villain. Just watch the scene of him blowing up the planet of those little alien guys. “I bet you look up at your silly little planet, hoping you can go back there some day….WELL ITS JUST A DREAM!!” And then boom. It’s really dark and I love it.

He shows a lot of personality and cunning, like when he senses the hidden power of Gohan, stares at him for a moment and then purposely attacks Gohan to take him out first. “Kakarot, how much do you love your son??”

The way he kills Paragus is also sick. “Where do you think you’re going dad?” And then turns the pod into a javelin with him in it and throws the thing into the fucking comet. 💯

Unrelated but I think it’s cool how Goku seemingly absorbed Broly’s LSSJ power for a moment. When everyone gives him energy his hair flashes the green tint for a moment while Broly loses the green, and just has the normal SSJ yellow

Then we have DBS Broly. It’s kinda the same, with being tossed away to die cause King Vegeta is a bitch, but removes any connection to Goku and makes it more tragic. And according to most fans, if background is a sobstory, that equals better character.

NO. Tragic backstories are so common nowadays they’re boring.

sure it could, but that trope was so worn out so long ago I hate it. “waaa his life was bad, hes not a bad guy” bruh i dont care thats not Broly. just make an OC if you wanna do that. but nope. gotta use the marketing! (More on that later)

New Broly is legit a man-baby. People talk about old Broly having no personality and this new version having a deep character, but I dont see it. He acts like a child when hes with Cheelai and Lemo. There’s no real personality traits beyond “doesnt understand society.” basically just made him Saiyan Tarzan with anger issues, which isn’t addressed he just gets mad and loses control and turns SSJ after seeing Paragus die. They basically took Gohan’s rage boosts and gave it to him lol

They kept Paragus being a bastard which was cool, but DBS Broly being uwu-fied and then shipped with Cheelai (who literally has no reason to exist beyond waifu bait) never appealed to me

Hey remember when people say Z Broly does nothing but scream?

In Super Broly, once the fighting starts, he doesnt say a single word but yell. Aka for over half the movie, Brolys dialogue is nothing but RAAAAAAAAAH. Even the actual dialogue DBS Broly has is minimal

SOUND FAMILIAR??

But he gets a pass because the canon police says so right??? Nah

New Broly is boring. They brought him back and made him fight Gogeta because of fanservice and marketing.

Sorry for the rant lol but yeah this is how I feel

[aaamike]

I have a theory about these two scenes which is actually quite simple:

Regarding Vegeta: Maybe between his base form and super Saiyan, there is a different version of False Super Saiyan, but it’s like a stepping block for him to get to Super Sayian? Also, keep in mind that while Vegeta had green hair for a few seconds, Goku was enveloped in a green aura when powering up from SSG to SSB. I wonder if The color green has anything to do with the transformation or maybe rage, since green is Broly’s favorite color.

Regairding Goku: Based off of an interview with either Toryotaru or Toriyama(I get them mixed up some times, please don’t hurt me) it was stated that SSJ God (the red form) is used for more evasive technics, while SSGSS(or Super Saiyan Blue, god I hate these names) is meant to overpower the enemy with massive force and overwhelming power. We actually see its application in the movie seeing Goku and Vegeta adopt more evasive techniques. So my theory is that SS God and SS Blue are on a spectrum, SSG on the left and SSB on the right and Mastered Ultra Instict is in the sexy middle. Because when you really think about it, it’s kinda the best of both worlds- Extreme agility, speed and evasive techniques plus overwhelming and crushing power, rolled in with automatic movement.

Tell me what you think! I wanna have some fun with this...

[cowcat44]

Nearly 3 days of hunting

But finally got this bad mama-jama to show herself

dem stats tho

.....goddamn gurl!

[bahnloopi]

would false ssj be a thing for the sentos?? ((anon remembered that exists))

The concept of Super Saiyan for them is practically False Super Saiyan since their hair doesn't change.

[fallen--lilith]

Happyhoganon: If Piccolo died on Namek once Freeza used his Death Beam to directly shoot his heart, how would Goku, Gohan and Krillin react to their friend's sacrifice to save one of them? And what if Krillin still dies exactly how he did on Namek like in canon? Could lead both father and son becoming Super Saiyans due to those events? ...Or not?

I feel like Piccolo's death wouldn't impact Goku and Krillin as much as Gohan. Maybe Gohan becoming SSJ way before Goku or at least into a False SSJ . [ I treat the movies with respect, whether it's canon or not] Piccalo would the be straw that breaks the camel's back from all that he lost on Namek.

I could see both of them becoming SSJ at the same time, seeing the father and son duo fight together would be mondo cool! Though I highly doubt Goku would put his son in that much danger.

[sweetescapeartist]

Not speaking about MasakoX but What Ifs in general: what would you like to see in a Dragonball AU?

Lol. Yeah I'm done answering questions about MasakoX's What Ifs for a while. I ain't very interested in them to begin with. I liked the other videos/series he stopped making.

As for my thoughts on a DB AU I would like to see... A story with more balance in terms of power and character usage.

I mentioned in an old post how I would make SSJ work. Saiyans need a tail in order to turn SSJ. If the tail is removed, then they revert to base similar to their Oozaru forms. But, their tail always regrows. This helps identify them as Saiyans too. Also, this would raise the stakes & allow for the non Saiyan characters to participate in battles more often. I would have the humans learn magic too since Earth is very mystical. Spells that change their aura while also giving them a speed, power, durability, stamina, or a healing perk. Imagine the humans doing Naruto hand poses to cast a spell on themselves, or announce some kind of jutsu. Different from the bukujutsu/flight. And "jutsu" means "art/technique/magic." (Also I dont know much about Naruto in case ppl think I do. I just know basic stuff.) But back to DB, magic is very powerful. So that mixed with martial arts would be a smart combination. Imagine Krillin using magic to fly super fast while on Namek instead of ki (like how Babidi uses magic to fly). Krillin would go completely undetected. Or a human character using a spell to create a protective barrier on Earth so that certain attacks wont destroy it. Or the humans using a durability spell so they can use the Kaioken without damaging their bodies. So, while Saiyans focus more on brute strength, humans focus more on ki & magic abilities. And Piccolo is somewhere in between.

Another AU I think would be fun is inspired by Injustice. Bulma creates some sort of pill that temporarily gives human characters the abilities of Saiyans. So when they take the pill before a battle, they grow in power during combat. But the effects of the pill dont last long enough for them to get a zenkai boost after the battle. And since they aren't truly Saiyans and are using science to mimic Saiyan abilities... When the human fighters take the Saiya Pill, they can't transform into Super Saiyan. Instead, they transform into False Super Saiyan. They get the golden aura & maybe their pupils would disappear. This allows for humans to have a pseudo transformation.