#everyone woman who /gets in the way/ of a mlm ship this one’s for you

[bloodlessdeity]

[hexhomos]

Maybe I’m that one oomf that’s too woke, but I have a feeling that people being weird about jayvik is a sign of Bad Things on the rise =/ I’m old as balls and I’ve been in fandom spaces since late 2000s, and I’ve never seen people act so hostile towards a fanon mlm ship. I mean precisely in women and queer dominated fandom spaces, dudebros never change, whatever. And of course there were always ship wars. But I don’t think I’ve ever seen people act so oppressed over being into het ships, crash out over their ships not being endgame and demand from fandom content creators to accommodate them. What is happening.

I think this started happening around 2023~ to be more precise bc that's when i started getting weird ass entitled comments on OTHER gay ships. IMHO the real issue here is that we are going through fandom clash with a newgen that did not experience early internet and they take the gayness in fandom spaces completely for granted. As in, they think these little niche holes we've built are the de facto 'effortless norm' and minimize the work that's been done to create these safe spaces. This is the kind of rhetoric i keep seeing pop up:

Many of them have also grown up almost exclusively interacting with art created by old fandom graduates where queerness is presented casually. They're not watching shit from the 90's or 00's. They're not adults, so they don't have a personal contrast experience seeing that 'rep' dwindling consistently over the years. They don't remember a time before this and don't know how bad it was.

OFC there are always old ass conservative weirdos riding on this wave to be even more annoying (certain infamous viktor stan accs... lol!) but #backtotradition rightwing bullshit has been on the rise worldwide, and so are the viral tiktok tradwife alphamale detransition white supremacy grifters. Its a larger cultural problem feeding into the micro stuff we see daily and it's terrible. It's also why I tune this shit out and I stand my ground. I'll draw what I WANT to draw and I'm not going to be twisting myself into pretzel shapes to appeal to anyone and everyone; go get YOUR shit elsewhere!

I *do* think people have been getting way more entitled towards fanworks, and that comes with a heightened level of apathy. You can notice this on the decreased number and quality of feedback across twitter, as an example (seeing as that place has been consumed by the conservative grifter wave) but it's also been reported by every fic writer who's consistently used AO3 for years. Tags on tumblr aren't as widely used. The focus on 'community' has been replaced by 'DOES THIS MAXIMIZE ENGAGEMENT?'. I know from personal experience that there is this one specific asshole who, for almost a year now, has been trawling the trans viktor tag and leaving insanely long transphobic critique comments on works of newer writers to discourage them from writing. (They are always on the cusp of open violent transphobia, but shittily cloaked as 'debates' on ~natural biology~ and fantasy logic so they don't get banned. If you've seen the ao3 pfp of a smirking white haired woman before you know who im talking about.)

Things have been Bad and on the Rise for a while now. Look at the current shit on the news. Look at the presidencies around the world. And it's going to get worse before it gets better, because it always does; that's what forces people to wake up. Be annoying. Be watchful. Don't waste your time platforming or debating weirdos that should be left to die on obscurity - this is how trump got a memeable platform, and look at where we are now. Protect your peace.

[starcurtain]

I wish everyone collectively understood aventurine’s character like you…things would be so much easier! I genuinely don’t understand how people keep getting his motivations wrong??? Could it be because some of the most popular Aven fanfics were written prior to his release? That could have contributed to some of the takes we tend to see about him…thoughts?

I struggled all day to come up with a concise way to answer this and couldn't think of one, so here, have a long-winded ramble:

I don't think early fic writers have much impact in the situation with Aventurine's character now, since most people can look at when a story was posted and go "Oh, this was before we had ____ information."

I think that Aventurine's problem is being a male character in a gacha game. Gacha game characters are designed to sell. Hoyo can sell female characters very, very easily. Give her huge tits and a visible underwear strap and you're good to go. I love all my guy friends, but I'm not gonna sugarcoat it: straight men are not the hardest audience to please. Hit a particular fetish (feet, spandex, dommy mommy), and you're gucci.

Nah, we all know why Jade's trailer is Like That.™

Male characters in gacha are harder to sell because women as consumers are a little harder to predict. Does every woman want a tall, ripped hunk? Shit, no, small cute boyish models like Aventurine are selling better now? Why?! Would a bad boy be more popular than a nice guy??? It's harder to account for women's tastes, especially because they are often (a little) less visually-oriented.

Hoyo is good at what they do though, and they've figured out that male characters sell very well when they possess at least one of two specific traits:

Endearing vulnerability/helplessness

Gay ship tease

Give a character both, like Aventurine? They might as well be printing money.

That sound you hear is Hoyo's stock prices rising.

So, from the very beginning, Hoyo is incentivized to create a character that appeals to people, a character people will want to crack their wallets open for. And they achieved this, first and foremost, by giving Aventurine traits that female players (in particular, but men too), find especially appealing: emotional and physical vulnerability.

We see Aventurine's pain. We sympathize with his grief. We identify with his struggle to make meaning of his difficult life. He's our woobie, blorbo, babygirl, whatever the hell they're calling it now.

He can't hide his suffering anymore. He's on the very edge. He's a dude in distress. He's surrounded by enemies! He misses his mama! He's been betrayed! No one understands him like you do, dear player!

The ultimate feeling evoked is: He needs to be saved.

When people talk about male power fantasies, I think they forget that women can experience them too, and "Emotionally vulnerable man that only I (or my favorite character) can fix" is actually a female power fantasy.

And from there it's really easy, right: the people who shell out cash to buy warps for their harmed-husbando feel like they've saved him; the people who are into mlm ships look for the nearest hot dude to be the savior Ratio was waiting for his time lol.

Morally and intellectually, this type of deep-down-golden-hearted, emotionally-wounded male character is very easy to digest. There is nothing to dislike about this type of character or role in the story: this character is a good guy who has just gone through so many terrible situations, whose victim status makes him endearing, and whose lack of agency means that any of the questionable or downright bad things he does are always the result of someone else forcing his hand, and never something he would have chosen himself.

His motivations are always clear and consistent: get free, heal, and live happily ever after.

Insert the Wreck-It Ralph meme: "Do people assume all your problems got solved when a big strong man showed up?" But to be fair, a big strong man did kind of solve Aventurine's problem, so--

Anyway, it's simple. It's straightforward. Morally, it's pretty cut and dry, black and white: Aventurine is our hero, which means everyone dictating the course of his miserable life is evil.

Hoyo is not remotely discouraging people from literally buying into this emotional appeal.

And trust me, I get it. I'll be the first to admit that hurt-comfort is its own entire genre in fandom because it is so appealing. People eat up Aventurine's tragic backstory like candy! The idea of watching a character go through hell at the hands of bad guys just to finally find a happy end is like the definition of everyone's favorite story.

In fact... people love Aventurine's suffering so much, they have invented whole new ways for him to suffer that aren't even in the game.

This is where we get all the headcanons that Aventurine was a sex slave, every single person he meets hates him because of his race, the Stonehearts are executioners holding knives to his throat, Jade enslaved him to the IPC with a lifelong contract, his material possessions belong to the company, the IPC is forcing him to take only the most dangerous missions where he is being required by his evil jailers to continually put his life on the line... You name it and I promise you, I can find a fanfic where Aventurine suffers from it. 😂

Bro can't even sleep in on his day off; life is so hard for this man.

Being serious: if the game is telling us that Aventurine is a victim... Why not make him the perfect victim?

Why not envision an Aventurine with no freedom, who bears no responsibility for any of the horrible situations he is in or any of the dubious things he does?

It's so natural to like that version of Aventurine, so appealing to see a totally powerless underdog use his own wits and charms to claw his way up to freedom. Or, if you're the kind who really relishes angst: It's even appealing to see Aventurine lose more. To delight in fics where he loses his wealth, where the IPC punishes him for past crimes while he's powerless to stop them... (I assure you, this is many people's cup of tea and the fanfics prove it!)

Ultimately, there's nothing wrong with liking characters who are exactly this straightforward! It's completely fine to embrace characters that are intentionally written to be morally above-board, whose primary role in the story is to generate angst by being a good person who suffers, or those characters who never show unlikable traits, bad decisions, or contradictory actions.

The problem is that that's just not who the game is telling us Aventurine is.

Hoyo may be capitalizing off people who love to envision poor Aventurine still living his life as a slave... But the game also needs to tell a complicated enough story overall to appeal to people who don't care about this specific husbando--Aventurine's role in the actual game's plot has to be interesting enough for almost everyone to appreciate it, not just Aventurine's simp squad. (Don't get mad, I'm in the simp squad with you.)

So his character doesn't stop at just being a pure-hearted victim who is still waiting to be saved.

Aventurine is not that easy to label, and I think the biggest struggle in this character's fandom right now is between people who prefer the even-more-angsty, still-a-slave Aventurine versus people who want a morally grey, self-destructive character instead.

To me personally, while I greatly understand the appeal of fanon!Aventurine and the joy of a really juicy angst fic where characters lose it all, I think that missing out on the depth that canon is suggesting would be a real loss on the fandom's part.

The character motivations that Aventurine shows in the game are complicated. They cancel each other out. They're basically self-harm! He makes almost every situation he's in worse for himself--on purpose.

He is a good person, but also a person who has done unspeakable things. He does have morals, but he's not above allowing those who don't have them to use him to their advantage.

He's both the victim and the victor. He's his own worst enemy. He's a lost little boy who's been making terrible decisions for himself since he was like eight years old, and a grown ass man who is barely managing to fake his way through an existence that destiny is not letting him quit.

This kind of character is a lot harder to embrace. He's done things that most people would find appalling--like willingly joining up with the organization that let his entire race be massacred. He's invented a whole new peacock persona to frivolously flaunt riches he doesn't even care about (Poison Dart Frog Self-Defense 101). He actively plays into racist stereotypes about his people to manipulate others through their preconceived expectations. He's made a mockery of his mother's and sister's hopes and dreams by endlessly trying to throw his own life away.

He has flaws! He bet everything he had on a ploy without doing his homework to find out if the people he was risking his life for were even still around. (Maybe he already knew, and couldn't bear to admit it, even to himself.) He's intentionally off-putting and obnoxious to everyone he meets (Poison Dart Frog Self-Defense 102). He terrifies everyone who gets close to him by (seemingly) carelessly throwing himself into the jaws of death without the slightest provocation.

He knowingly allows the IPC to exploit his power and talents for profit. Did everyone forget that his role in the Strategic Investment Department is asset liquidation?! Like, his actual day-to-day job is ruining people's lives. Canonically, Aventurine kills people when his deals go bad.

His motivations change off-screen in two lines of story text. We're told in one line that his biggest reason for joining the IPC was to make money to save the Avgin, then in the next line we find out that's impossible. And... then what? What motivations does he even have now? The whole point of his character arc from 2.0-2.1 is that he was on the edge of giving in to utter despair and nihilism because he couldn't even perceive a single reason to stay alive. He has no purpose in life before Penacony, and that didn't start with the Stonehearts at all??

People keep saying Aventurine was held in the IPC by golden handcuffs, but how do you tie down someone for whom profit is meaningless? What can you offer to a man whose only desire is to bring back something already lost forever? How do you imprison someone whose only definition of freedom is, canonically, death?

Working for the Stonehearts is obviously not healthy. But that's why Aventurine was doing it--because taking dangerous missions allowed him to put himself at risk. The job that he originally pursued hoping to save his people became a direct means to self-harm, and the IPC's only real role in that was just happily profiting off the results.

The journal entries for Aventurine's quests are there deliberately to tell the player what is on his mind, and none of it has to do with escaping from his job:

Like... Work is the least of this man's problems.

At really the risk of rambling on too long now, he's also just a massive walking contradiction:

Aventurine is among the most explicitly religious characters in the game, yet he's one of the only people in the entire game that we have ever seen actively question his people's aeon.

You might be tempted to think Aventurine's risky gambles with his life as an adult are a result of giving up after finding out about the Avgin massacre... Butttt no, Hoyo makes sure to tell us that even at knee-high in the Sigonian desert, Kakavasha was already willing to risk himself in a fight to the death against monsters because even back then he found his own life to have less value than a single memento.

He's the "chosen one" who will lead his people to prosperity... except they're all dead.

He's explicitly suicidal... andddd also a pathstrider of Preservation.

He wants to die... He doesn't want to die. He wants to make it end, yet goes to staggering lengths to continually survive. (Every plan risks his life on purpose--but every plan's win condition is also to live.) He life is the chip tossed down, but his hand is trembling beneath the table. When faced with an otherwise unsurvivable situation, Aventurine literally became a winner of the Hunger Games. He beat other innocent people to death with his own chain-bound hands just to come out alive.

He knows the IPC failed the Avgin and left them to die... and he still willingly sought out a position of power in their organization. Maybe he really is after revenge... but maybe not.

He starts his journey in the IPC with a truly noble goal in mind: to help his people using his newfound wealth and power. He's a good guy who did genuinely want to save the Avgin and repay all those who helped him. But once it became clear he was too late, once it was obvious he would have no use at all for that monetary wealth and power he risked his life to get... What did he do with it? Unlike Jade, we don't see him over here donating to orphanages. (I'm not that heartless; I'm sure he does actually do a lot of good things with his money on the side, but the point is that the game does not show us that--it shows us, over and over again, Aventurine putting on a wasteful, over-indulgent persona toward wealth. We've supposed to feel how meaningless money is to him, how meaningless everything is becoming to him.)

He outright refuses to use underhanded tactics or to cheat at gambles, which is meant to show us that's he's more morally upright than his coworkers. There's an entire exchange where he says that he'll never stoop to using manipulation the way Opal does. But... he doesn't have any issue fulfilling Opal's exact agenda. He was never remotely morally conflicted about denying the Penaconians their freedom by dragging Penacony back under IPC control.

He's willing to risk his own life, which is one thing--but he's also willing to risk other people's well-being. Topaz accuses him of constantly egging their clients on into dangerous situations; we've actively seen him shove a gun into Ratio's hands and pull the trigger with no care for how Ratio would feel about that on their very first meeting... Dragging the Astral Express crew into the entire Penacony plan in the first place was exceedingly dangerous...

To me, I just think it's vital to understand his character through the lens of these contradictions because they demonstrate the extreme polarity of Aventurine's life: from rags to riches, from powerless to empowered by multiple aeons, from willing to kill to survive to killing himself... He has quite literally lived a life of "all or nothing," and while he is the victim of many terrible situations out of his control, his arc as a character involves facing the truth of himself and the future his own actions are hurtling him toward.

Frankly, the Aventurine that canon is suggesting is a little annoying. You want to grab him by the shoulders, shake him, and say "Why are you like this?!" And he won't even have an answer for you, because he doesn't even know why he's still alive.

In the end, to me, this is so, so much more interesting. I can read an endless supply of hurt-comfort fics where Aventurine escapes the evil IPC and Ratio is there to fill the void in his life with the power of love and catcakes and be a perfectly happy clam online, but I want canon to continue to serve us this incredible mess of a man who constantly takes one step forward and two steps back.

Who is fully aware of his role as a cog in the grotesque profit-wheel of cosmic capitalism and still manages to say he never changed from the rags-wearing desert rat of the Sigonian wastes.

Who over and over again flirts with nihility but, ultimately, even if he has to wrest it from the grip of the gods themselves with bloody, chain-bound hands, chooses life.

[cosmickid-inmotion]

Oscar Issac Pedro Pascal Pride Event 2025!

Jokes on you sluts, you thought I wasn't gonna do it? WRONG. Why would you think that? Oh. Because I said I wouldn't? Well........ never listen to me.

I will, however, be doing this in a much less stressful way. Mainly, no materlist. Last year I was not organized and did not make a masterlist bc I got overwhelmed. This year for the disability event I was organized. Still. I think this allows me to not over do myself and still make a fun event. THERE WILL BE NO MASTERLIST JUST FUN TIMES AND REBLOGGING

What?: A pride event celebrating the queer potential of the characters in the OI and PP universes! (which sometimes overlap). THIS IS AN MLM EVENT! Just based on me and my interests and what the fandom is, it'd be hard to include like, Marc x Layla. More pride events will be linked below, but this is mine and this is my focus.

When?: Through the month of June! Or just get it done whenever, who cares. Gay all year round. ART, FANFICTION, MOODBOARDS, GIFSETS whatever makes you feel creative! Like making art pieces with vibes but not drawing people? Cool! Wanna make a piece putting the characters with lyrics from the song given? Swell!

Where?: Just tumblr!

Who?: Anyone can participate (Unless I have you blocked plz respect that)

Why?: BC I love being queer

How?

Send me an ask AT ANY POINT in June. I sometimes have to turn anons off so if you are using a side blog just comment here with the info. Send a letter from A-Z and I have a list of corresponding songs. Some I chose for what I feel are GAY AS HELL some were random by my spotify. Note, my music mostly is oldies so expect to get classic rock. A. If you want an Oscar Isaac ship, send a number 1-10. These are either ships with different OI characters (Like Cecil x anselm) or ships within the universe (Like MArc x Matty) B. If you want a Pedro Pascal ship, send a number 11-20. These are either ships with different PP characters (javi p x Joel) or ships within universe (Like Stavier)

I will reply to your ask (or comment) with which pairing you got and the song.

You must use the song for inspiration! It doesnt have to be direct. I won't be policing you. Just give it a listen and feel it out

plz tag AND send it to me via ask or dms bc i lose things easy bc I am. stupid. And I want to be able to reblog everyones work!!

DARK IS ALLOWED: Rules within this is no underage smut and no bestiality. Monster fucking is okay, and if you want to write them as teenagers without smut, that works (kissing is fine). I ask that even if its dark, don't just relly on torture and non con. Make a plot, a point. Try to tell a story, not just senseless violence. This is not a judgement on fics that are dark just to be dark, i've written that too, but i want a plot here, not just queer people suffering.

Themes of addiction, abuse, homo/transphobia, SA, or crossing over the intersectionality of dealing with these issues while being disabled, POC, an immigrant ETC is also allowed. Please do your research for communities you are not a part of.

Different HC's of characters work. If you want to write Joel as trans you can. Asexual and aromantic is allowed. Non binary, agender, bigender, genderfluid etc is allowed. although i said its pretty much MLM event, all these are allowed. If you want to HC a character coming out as a trans woman, well, who am I to judge? DO what you like.

Smut, fluff, angst, no happy ending, major character death, hurt, comfort ALL OF IT is allowed. Last year i wanted to focus more of pride and queer joy, but this event is more open.

No adding or subtracting the relationship given. There's one two throuples, one for OI one for PP but the point is to challenge us! Adding or taking away can take away from that challenge. However if you want someone IN the fic as a friend you can!!

Any questions come to me!

Thank you all for your super amazing support! I'll be tagging people who might be interestested but there is NO PRESSURE AT ALL WHATSOEVER

other Pride events are an Oscar isaac event by @the-oscar-isaac-collective and Pedro Pascal by @mandaloriankait so check them out!!!

[stormsbourne]

alright listen

I know we're all having an evaluation of how eagerly we believe people who present with even the slightest air of authority and frankly good! we all need to be less credulous of people on the internet who tell lies.

but I think there are also other lessons to learn from james somerton. namely about his raging and blatant misogyny, which I've often seen similar forms of in fandom and on this specific site. to paraphrase bombs himself in the ctrl alt del video, if you see shitty behavior within your sphere, it's important to recognize it and try to fix it instead of rejecting it and asserting that no REAL members of the ingroup are like that. and nerds have a misogyny problem. including tumblr. so let's reckon with it.

do you append "white" or "straight" to your comments about women even when those things have little to do with the topic being discussed, just to make your comments seem more legit? (and no, m/m shipping discourse does not give you a ticket to say it's all straight women -- it's fictional characters, james.) do you often theorize about how (hurriedly appended "straight/white/cis") women are responsible for a problem in fandom, nay, all problems in fandom? have you made up a guy based on a single post that annoyed you and extrapolated to say that all (appended signifier to make it ok) women in fandom are like that? do you see women as uniquely fetishizing, uniquely stupid about politics or social issues, uniquely annoying to talk to? do you assume when there's an issue, even a real one and not the fake ones james made up, that a woman is probably at the root of it?

all of this still applies to you if you're a woman. it also applies if you're gay or a person of color or trans. being an oppressed group doesn't mean you are immune from sexism, and sexism is still rampant in everyday life for pretty much everyone.

your shipping and fandom discourse isn't immune from this. no, I'm not talking about how not enough people like yuri. I'm talking about how women who like "bad" ships like r*ylo or whatever are seen as open targets for harassment. how women who are into "bad/problematic" fandoms are seen as idiots and enablers who deserve what they get. how there's an attitude that women who like shitty bad porn must think it's good, must be too stupid to know better, and must need to be handheld and taught about good, acceptable fiction. I've already talked a lot about tumblr's complete refusal to admit that fujoshi wasn't a term coined by delicate japanese mlm to complain about evil women (and I wonder if james contributed to that idiotic concept), but the way I've seen people assert that women into m/m must be straight, must be stupid, must be lying about their identities, must be hurting gay men in real life in addition to wanting some anime boys to kiss ...

I've seen how some of you people talk about amb*r h*ard, is all I'm saying, and I've seen what you've tried to do to dozens of female creatives that, for some reason, you've decided deserve to be taken down or taught a lesson. I've seen the descriptions you use. shrieking, bitchy, whiny, uppity, shrewish, karen (don't get me started on how karen has been turned into an easy excuse for misogyny). you're not bystanders to what james did and is doing, you're a part of it. sure, you might not have the nazi fetish, but you've said things about women that put somerton to shame.

just a thing to keep in mind while the plagiarism discourse is ongoing. somerton is a shithead for many reasons but this is one that's important to remember because I think people often treat misogyny like a lesser crime, a smaller concern, and it's not. just think of what laws are passing and what views popular movements have of women and then, for one moment, consider that maybe your reflexive need to blame women or pick them apart might have been influenced by the Society In Which We Live.

[qu0rky]

Just saw the stupidest argument on tiktok and felt the need to rant about it.

Why does it matter so much if i ship Jayvik and ship Mel with another woman??? You claim that i’m being misogynistic, but have you considered that i just don’t like straight ships and am a lesbian??

Sure, i don’t like Mel nearly as much as i like Viktor, and she’s about the same level as Jayce for me, but i don’t give a genuine fuck who you ship her with, because at the end of the day these are fictional characters and everyone’s allowed to have opinions about them.

“female characters always get sidetracked and shipped with characters they never met just so they don’t get in the way of the gay ship” Do you understand, genuinely, how shipping works? If i ship a couple, ANY couple, i don’t want ANYONE to get in the middle of that, fucking duh. Especially when it comes to otps. If you’re that pissed off about it, you’re in luck! Because most of the time, these mlm ships that are super popular aren’t even canon. Have fun!

And by trying to have this weird moral high ground, you’re completely disregarding the fact that rare pairs (or even popular wlw ships) are very much real and not just shipped out of convenience or spite, but because people like the possible dynamic, and exploring new things with hot characters.

Same thing for Bkdk and Togachako, personally i don’t even ship Bkdk (Kiribaku ftw) but if you actually think people only ship Togachako so Uraraka doesn’t get in the way of Bkdk, i’m sorry but you’re an idiot. People HAVE been shipping her and Toga. There’s tons of content for them. It’s one of the most loved ships and it absolutely stands on its own. Don’t piss me off.

It’s fine to want nuance in fandom discussions, but sometimes you read too much into things, sometimes fandoms just do things because they can, because it’s a fandom space, and it shouldn’t be limited.

It is so easy to curate your own fandom experience, the block button is right there!! Use it instead of starting arguments for no reason.

[ironunderstands]

Rant about how yall perceive Dr. Ratio bc I’m tired

I really wish people would stop projecting their hatred of debate bros and egotistical college students onto Dr. Ratio. Like yeah, they suck we know we are tired but please he is not a frat boy trying to convince you that 12$ being minimum wage is a good thing actually. The funny thing is that most of Ratio’s haters would probably have him agree with them on a lot of topics, but the problem is people don’t use their brain, hear “ratio is racist” and run with it without ever questioning if it’s true or makes sense for his character. Y’all cannot handle a character being kind but not nice, and honestly I’m so happy ratio isn’t a woman in canon bc oh my lord the misogyny that would happen if he was.

And honestly, I can’t even blame them considering how OOC half of Ratios “fans” write him.

Like please the next time I get hit with stoic, emotionless, unempathetic, uncaring, self-centered, narcissistic asshole (and even racist slaveowner ew god kill it with fire) ratio FROM HIS “FANS” I’m done. Stop, please get your grubby hands off of him. I’d rather read 10 dead dove fics in a row than be subjected to the horrors that is fanon Ratio. Especially mfs who write him this way in Aventio, I despise how a genuinely loving ship dynamic got warped into “toxic yaoi” bc people can’t read and/or be normal about mlm ships ever. I’m genuinely begging for a new popular gay ship to exist so all the weirdos can go run to that one and I can enjoy Aventio in peace.

To everyone who writes him correctly, thank you I love you, begging for more wholesome Aventio and Ratio content in general pls it’s the closest to canon (if you care ab that) I beg

[karmacharmeleon18]

did you see the latest pics of San? why do the stylists always put him in such big shirts? they want him to look bigger but he just looks silly imo. Wooyoung is basically as large as San but they put him in clothes that actually fit him. but with San it's always clothes that make his shoulders look comically large and his head small lol it looks weird

and all the woosan shippers squealing about the "size difference" as if Wooyoung can't wipe the floor w San if he wants

it feels homophobic tbh like a pairing MUST have a "female/feminine/small" person (Wooyoung) and a "male/masculine/big" person (San). it gives me the ick

Hey, anon! I wasn't sure what you were talking about so I asked some friends and this is what they found, hopefully it's what you're talking about:

Not gonna lie, it reminds me of this awful top lol:

And I think it's so unnecessary haha

I don't know if it's the stylists pushing a specific Big San agenda, or if it's San himself that asks for this?

In the past he's shown that he doesn't like to be called feminine or associated with "feminine energy", so maybe this is his way to look/feel manlier.

I feel like Wooyoung just doesn't care and is more confident in himself, to be honest.

It took a while, but since Bouncy people started noticing a shift in Wooyoung, and now he feels more mature, he doesn't hide his rbf, he doesn't feel the need to smile or laugh all the time, he does aegyo specifically for fanservice and to bother the others, and not as a personality trait, etc.

Wooyoung feels more confident, more sure of who he is and how he wants to be seen, and maybe this is why for a while WooSan hasn't been as close. San doesn't know what to do with a Wooyoung that is more Masculine™ because what does this mean for him? That now he has to cover the Feminine™ role in the ship? He has to be the Yin to Wooyoung's Yang? And that Just Won't Do for Sannie.

(Some anons have talked to me about this and wondered if maybe this is why San "jumped" from Wooyoung to Yeosang, because even thought Yeosang is jacked, he's also sweet and quiet and a Fairy™ according to the fandom; he has that "feminine energy" that San needs to contrast with, so that he can feel and look more masculine; Wooyoung isn't providing that anymore, so Yeosang is his new preferred fanservice tool - spoken from a very cynical, non-shipping, business-first perspective)

Wooyoung is a beefcake:

But a section of the fandom insists that he is Smol™ and San is Big™ and it does leave a bad taste in my mouth too, honestly.

(Same as San and Yeosang)

It does feel homophobic how the fandom insists on assigning gender binary norms and roles to people, how there must be a "girl" in every mlm couple.

You know how in movies the ignorant side character asks the gay main characters "so who's the man and who's the woman in the relationship?" and you as the audience just cringe?

Fandom feels like this but 10 times worse lol. Because this type of mentality is actually the most accepted in fandom, and the (mostly queer) people that cringe at it are shunned 😬 (👋🏾)

And it feels misogynistic as well, because why is the feminine person expected to be Small, weak, submissive? Why is the masculine person expected to be Big, strong, dominant?

Everyone in Ateez is incredibly dominant, each one in their own unique way. And each one is bratty in their own unique way, too.

Another example is Yungi. The fandom insists that Yunho is a Giant that towers over Mingi! And Mingi is a poor defenseless Princess! ... when Mingi is maybe 2?1? cm shorter? (you can't even notice it most of the time because of hairstyles and shoes) and much larger than Yunho. Mingi is also very dominant and uncontrollable as a person (to the point that Yunho has admitted to getting flustered around him).

But all shippers see is Yunho = Tall & Mingi = Princess

Remember when Yunho sat on Mingi's thigh and pretended to be his puppet? How big Mingi looked? Or when they did that hockey video?

Another thing I noticed recently is how the fandom keeps talking about how "Yunho has giant hands!" when actually... Mingi's hands are bigger (the biggest in Ateez)

Fans who have met Ateez at events say that San is tiny in person and that Yunho is thin. "The Mountain is... tiny" and "the Twin Tower looks like a twig" (I'm sure these are exaggerations, but you get what I'm saying?). Meanwhile according to fans Mingi and Woo (and Jongho) are bigger, taller, more muscular than they look in videos.

Seongjoong is another example. Hongjoong is the jealous, possessive "alpha" and Seonghwa the submissive, devoted "omega" (if you don't know what the omegaverse is and how popular it is in fandoms, I envy you lol)

When in reality Seonghwa is extremely masculine when he wants to be, he is more muscular, taller, more emotionally mature than Hongjoong.

Both Seonghwa and Hongjoong have said they like genderless fashion, and in the eyes of the fandom that translated as Hongjoong = Great Ally! but Seonghwa = queer coded Mother

Korean fortune tellers don't help, because they too push archaic gender roles and call Hongjoong the husband and Seonghwa the wife

Of course the fortune tellers are heavily influenced by what the KQ staff tells them beforehand, and this narrative of husband&wife helps a lot with giving each member of Ateez specific roles. It's great for fanservice! Matz are the parents and the rest are their children! How sweet!

But the person that benefits the most from this is Hongjoong. KQ actually wanted Seonghwa to be the leader, as he's the oldest and most patient and emotionally mature (but he refused, saying "there's no point in making this team if Hongjoong is not the leader"). So now anytime a fortune teller or tarot reader calls Hongjoong the husband and Seonghwa the wife, it's like a public confirmation for Atiny that, despite being younger and less mature, Hongjoong is the rightful leader by virtue of being naturally Masculine™, while Seonghwa is naturally Feminine™.

Hongjoong leads, Seonghwa supports.

Seonghwa is the Yin to Hongjoong's Yang.

Seonghwa is the woman and Hongjoong is the man in the relationship.

And I don't think that Seonghwa hates this, don't get me wrong. He is a very nurturing person and he genuinely respects Hongjoong and wants to support him. He's also expressed appreciation for the way Atiny address him as Mother, he understands that it's a queer-coded term that signifies respect and admiration and safety.

But he is also a man. And I think that's why the concept is repeated several times in their unit song Matz: they are TWO MEN.

(Of course even if Seonghwa identified differently, they could never say so in a song, but they could have also omitted the concept altogether, you know? I feel like the use of this word was very purposeful, they love genderless fashion, they are Mom&Dad, husband &wife, and yet they're both still MEN, and I think that for Seonghwa it's so important that Hongjoong understands and respects this)

Eh, I've kind of lost the plot I fear, I don't know where I'm going with this anymore haha

But I understand your frustration, Anon!

I believe that a part of our fandom is very queer and just projects onto Ateez what they feel and experience in their life.

But another part definitely fetishizes Ateez and mlm relationships in general, and enforces homophobic and misogynistic gender roles because for them That's How Relationships Must Be.

This happens in very fandom, not only in K-pop, but also for tv shows, movies, anime, comics, mangas...

My best advice is to work really hard on tailoring your fyp to your tastes and only become mutuals with people that feel about shipping the same way you do! Being in a fandom can be a great experience so don't let this ruin it for you!!

Best of luck! ❤❤❤

[junesend]

This may be a hot take but I'd like to speak my peace

I don't ship Frodo and Sam. I really just can't see it.

*Just to be clear, you can ship whoever you want within the realm of reason, I just want to share my confusion on the conclusion a lot of people have gotten to since I can't personally find that perspective*

I haven't read Lotr yet, but so much of this shipping context is derived from the films so I think I'm safe to say that they (the actors and writing) don't at all act with romantic subtext.

Throughout all of the films Frodo and Sam's relationship is very much that of close friends who bond differently during the journey due to dependency on each other and hardships.

Sam is the closest person to Frodo through this intense burden and psychological/moral turmoil. Sam carries our boy to the mountain because he's been with Frodo the entire journey from start to end, and has seen the toll it has taken on him. He carries Frodo with an air of camaraderie, loyalty, care, and emotional strength.

Anyhow, the fact that Sam and Frodo don't exist in a romantic context together is cinematically supported, and I can't find it at all in the way that the actors portrayed them or even in dialogue.

Personally (and you can metaphorically sue me for this if you want) i have one specific friendship of my own that I very much see in Frodo and Sam when I watch The Lord of the rings trilogy, and this is my lifelong friend and platonic soulmate. We tried to see if dating was for us since everyone said we should and it didn't feel right on either side (this was middle school, mind you, and now we're in college).

I see our friendship and our type of platonic love in Frodo and Sam because of the sheer amount of obvious love for one another present without any romantic influence between the two.

And, I also see the crowd calling for queer romance just because of two same gendered friends with a deep bond. To me it looks like people have blatantly ignored a prime example of positive and strong friendship between two men in favor of the ever present gay-ship fandom fodder. It also is concerning as I see women primarily vouching for this ship specifically.

Mind you, I am a queer woman, and I have a multitude of queer ships that I'm a fan of, including mlm (like merthur, which is my personal favorite). I just can't see what others are seeing when it comes down to Sam and Frodo's relationship type.

Frodo loves Sam, and Sam loves Frodo, this much isn't even up for discussion, but it's important to distinguish between the love you share with a friend and the love you feel for a romantic partner.

It's very clear that Sam loves Rosie, as we Begin the trilogy with Sam admiring Rosie from afar and Frodo encouraging him to be a little bit more brave. We end this series with Sam marrying Rosie and Frodo is happy for him. Frodo himself is depressed because of how the journey changed him and his perspective of the life he once had, which is unrelated to the fact that Sam found happiness and he couldn't after the shared journey.

Again this is just an opinion, and also kind of a vent post in a way. I really just don't understand how this conclusion is so popular. People are bound to get to a conclusion of shipping two characters that don't really mix in a fandom, I know that to be very true. It's just strange that this one is so popular, since it's got such little usable context to support the ship with.

I'd love to know what others think tbh

[victimsofyaoipoll]

Round 1

Propaganda Under Cut

Kairi

kairi is the third protagonist of the kingdom hearts series and the third member of the destiny trio, alongside fan favorites sora and riku. sora/riku shippers HATE kairi, and will go out of their way to discount her at every turn. the hate for her ranges from typical "she's a boring bitch" to fans of soriku making five-hour long video essays reassuring their fellow shippers that the big bad kairi won't show up in the next installment – to quote one video, "she's in a box. she's on the shelf. four walls, no door." kairi is the greatest bogeyman the soriku fandom has ever known, to the point where most of said video essays and fanon meta posts focus not on why sora and riku should get together, but rather on why they don't like kairi.

Literally has a 100+ page Google doc fan theory writing her out of the narrative and putting all of her (few) canonical accomplishments onto half of the popular m/m ship (soriku). Don't even get me started on how her memory was completely written out of the canon plot of re:coded. KH is a nightmare to explain so dude trust me she is THE victim of yaoi

She is so fundamental to the plot and themes and narratives of game and yet it is near impossible to find anything about her thats not ship bashing pre-mlm with the other two characters. I dont even care if she ends up with one of the main characters i just want fans to see her as a cool character to love or like, anything other than “annoying comphet girl.” You can write your mlm but pleaae stop inventing comphet where it doesnt exist. She does not even get to spend time with sora ever?? Why does everyone see her as a threat and a thing to destroy?? Let her have friends so help me

Winry Rockbell

One of the most badass women you could hope to meet, competent, smart and sweet (and hot of course), canonically gets married to Edward Elric, and yet is put on the sidelines in order to ship him with his superior officer.

edward's love interest and later romantic partner. cast aside by the fandom cause you all hate woman in STEM

SHES AN ENGINEER/MECHANIC!!! she works on automail, delivered a baby in an emergency, and was both the strongest and most empathetic, kind character in FMA(B). and she often gets shunted off to the side so that Ed can be paired with Ling Yao and mischaracterised to be annoying and/or mean

[babys-breath-and-blue-roses]

"Why are you selfshippers so uncomfortable with queer ships of your f/os but you never complain about the hetero ships of them" (actual post I saw bc ofc)

First of all that's not even true. Most of my complaining-about-ships posts are about a hetero ship I despise.

So there's that.

But second, specifically mlm ship enjoyers don't know how to fucking behave and I say this as someone who ships several mlm pairings.

The moment a mlm ship gets popular in the fandom and G-d forbid gets within thirty feet of being canon, the fandom becomes a nightmare. I saw it in EVERY fandom I have ever been in (at least it feels that way).

There's a pair of male characters. Almost always, both parties are white and conventionally masculine/attractive.

They can share one scene/less than that or they can have every interaction you'd expect from legit love interests, it doesn't matter, the result is the same.

The fandom crumbles.

Any other love interests/shippable characters are demonized or ignored. Pray for the safety of their fans, and pray harder if they/the characters are women or poc because you better believe that's playing a role in the degrading comments made about them.

Tagging systems? Forget about it. A post about them and only them will find its way into the tags of every other character, the show itself, and the tags for every sexuality you can imagine bc these bitches think everyone on earth needs to see their unoriginal post about their bland, sterilized interpretation of an already mediocre ship.

If you ship either of those characters with anyone else you had better hope they never learn you exist bc they'll never leave you alone about how homophobic it is not to ship Blorbo with Blarf or whoever.

If you selfship with one of these characters, you had better hope they never learn you exist bc they'll never leave you alone about how homophobic it is not to ship Blorbo with Blarf or whoever.

If you are focused on a woman, a character of color, a wlw ship, the plot itself, or have an interest in the source material that has nothing to do with that ship, you had better hope they never learn you exist bc they'll never leave you alone about how homophobic it is not to ship Blorbo with Blarf or whoever.

Anyone not on the most obnoxious bandwagon ever slowly gets harassed out, leaves to avoid getting harassed out, or eventually loses interest bc of that environment. Meaning the only people left are the assholes. It's an irritating self-fulfilling prophecy.

It never fucking ends.

You're not even safe if you actually like the fucking characters either, because they get mischaracterized to shit. Every mlm ship becomes "the smart/hot/whatever one and the dumb idiot twink" and it's boring.

But if you think that you had better hope they never learn you exist bc you get the point.

And not to be all "back in my day" bc I'm not actually older than these people and also I wasn't supposed to be online back then, but pre-2020 slash enjoyers had some manners. They used relevant tags, didn't use irrelevant ones, didn't make nuisances of themselves at every opportunity, and just generally behaved themselves.

The new fandom tourists (who also tend to be allergic to fandom etiquette in general) are the cause of this and they've enabled a new level of assholery.

I hate them, I really do.

You know who hasn't done that to me?

Mxf shippers in those same fandoms.

Maybe there's just less of them or they've been bullied into being super chill idk but they have generally minded their own fucking business.

And if you're reading this and going "but it's not all of them/what about x ship/you're being mean about it tho/mxf shippers can be assholes too/yeah well you ARE being homophobic by hating it when fans of gay ships act like clowns" then I hope for both our sanity's sake that you block me

[scarfacemarston]

Hi there! I'm kind of new to the fandom and was curious if you had any tips on how to get new followers.

Hey! I'm going to assume you mean Red Dead Redemption. I wish I could help, but I don't really know anything. I will say, be careful to not focus on popularity. I'm not saying that you are! Everyone wants followers! But I've seen people focus entirely on that and that always leads to disappointment. I think engagement is far better. I'd rather have 50 followers that like or comment on my stuff than 500 followers who don't interact with me at all. Unfortunately, I don't really have any advice except that if you produce content with the following, you may receive more engagement or followers: * Write for Arthur, Charles or Dutch. They are the most popular characters. John, Javier, Sean and Kieran are the next most popular. Sadie is the most popular woman. Molly seems to be a close second according to a poll I just did on my blog. * Charthur is the most popular ship with canon character ship. (Meaning, it's with canon characters.) (Charles/Arthur.) * Reader x Arthur is by far the most popular pairing in the fandom. Usually it's female reader x Arthur. * Smut is always popular * This is just me - but I feel like people don't like long posts. People are used to short and snappy like on twitter. I write really long posts and I think that turns off people. * MLM relationships are popular in general. VanderMatthews is another popular ship along with Jovier (Javier/John). Just be careful not to fetishize. * There is a lot of racism, homophobia and transphobia in the fandom. If you write anything with POC, transgender or other LGBT+ content, you might receive flack for it. * Be aware that WLW content or women centered writing tends to be ignored. * Be supportive of other content creators. It's a way to make friends /mutuals. * Be aware that a lot of people do NOT "like", reblog or comment. It just is what it is. BUT other posts that you'd think wouldn't matter gets massively popular and things that you put a lot of effort into may not receive the reaction you were hoping for.

I'm Abigail focused and focus a lot on WLW content. I also write extremely long posts like this one, so I'm personally not what's "popular" on tumblr. However, hopefully something here helps.

[badgalsasuke]

To follow up with the anon who compared OP and Naruto fandom, there are some shipwars in the OP fandom but it's mostly het ships vs het ships. They sometimes get nasty but their behavior don't get called out much for being sexist to female characters because their ship has a woman in it. So shipwars happen occasionally.

Another reason might be because the main character, Luffy, don't care about romance and is never involved in romantic scenes. Meanwhile Naruto has talked about "crushing" on Sakura. Sakura has always been known for being in love with Sasuke. Since the start, romance seems to be something that the characters care and think about. So it's not surprising that it became such a huge topic.

And again, the most popular yaoi ship is Zosan which compared to SNS is a crackship. I don't think I have ever met a zosan shipper who actually believe the ship could be real (not even in a "the author wanted it be canon but couldn't due to the editor team" way). So they dont fight much against other shippers. There might be some tension against other mlm shippers but nothing to the extent of Naruto shipwars.

Oda had had other characters crushing on the main cast but it honestly felt like a gag. Some people ship Zoro and Hiyori because she fell in love with him but he never expressed anything. And now that the Wano arc is over, we won't see her again and most people already moved on, except the few shippers who ship in their corner.

So I think it all depends on how the mangakas wrote the characters. It always felt like that if Sakura and Hinata didnt get with Sasuke and Naruto then their characters will feel unaccomplished. Meanwhile I am thinking about OP female characters who had shown signs of being in love and I don't feel like their characters would feel empty or unaccomplished if their love is one sided at the end.

(Omg sorry for making you read all of that even tho you dont know anything about One Piece)

Hi!

They sometimes get nasty but their behavior don't get called out much for being sexist to female characters because their ship has a woman in it.

This is why I never take seriously the accusations of misogyny towards mlm shippers. Het!shippers don't care, they're just mad a gay ship is more popular and better written than theirs, but they have absolutely no issue in being misogynistic towards the female characters they don't like.

And again, the most popular yaoi ship is Zosan which compared to SNS is a crackship. I don't think I have ever met a zosan shipper who actually believe the ship could be real

This is also why I don't care about the argument "Naruto and Sasuke aren't gay, shonen is just inherently homoerotic" because it's not true.

I've read Bleach which is another one of the looooong battle shonens out there, and there's nothing gay about it and although there's people who ship Ichigo with Ishida, you won't catch people being like "is Ichigo gay?", "does Ichigo have feelings for so and so male characters?", "why did Kubo wrote Ichigo to be kinda gay?", the way we see with Naruto.

Shonen is very heterosexual, so this argument that shonen is inherently homoerotic is false but also it's a stupid argument? like Sasuke and Naruto aren't gay because everyone in shonen is gay? how does that make sense?

There are some shonen that I've read and watched that I think have gay writing like Attack on Titan or Tokyo Revengers but shonen is overall not the gay genre people make it out to be. That's why Naruto stood out like a sore thumb, it's not normal nor common to see that type of writing between the main character and his rival and everyone noticed Kishimoto was up to something and hence Naruto het!shippers and dudebros rabid behavior towards SNS shippers.

Fujoshis are supposed to ship male characters with each other simply because they breathed next to each other, the fact that SNS is the ship that has this incredible writing none of the het!ships have and that SNS shippers, but mostly narusasu shippers are the ones that write the best metas and analyses out of the entire fandom and have the bigger grasp on Kishimoto's writing, something het!shippers and dudebros have acknowledged against their will, is what makes them see red. It wasn't supposed to be like that, Naruto and Sasuke's bond was not supposed to be that deep, that's why they all hold this big resentment for Kishimoto and always talk about how much of a terrible writer he is lmao.

It always felt like that if Sakura and Hinata didnt get with Sasuke and Naruto then their characters will feel unaccomplished. Meanwhile I am thinking about OP female characters who had shown signs of being in love and I don't feel like their characters would feel empty or unaccomplished if their love is one sided at the end.

Even though I've never read or watched One Piece, it never gave me romance vibes either. But yeah, Sakura and Hinata's only goal was to get with the boys so if that didn't happen what did they really achieve throughout the series? and you can tell by the way their stans talk about their accomplishments that are either from filler or headcanons they decided to collectively believe and pass as canon.

[suncchaser]

PLS I HATE THE MARAUDERS FANDOM I NEED TO HEAR ABOHT THE MISOGYNY IN IT 😭

I was about six when I became a Harry Potter fan. I have watched the films countless times, and did several re-reads of the books. I have engaged with the fandom in online spaces, on and off, for over 10 years now. I have seen the fandom in many different phases and I will say this - the fandom has always been incredibly misogynistic and paid the female characters dust. But it's insane how, as the years went by, we managed to regress even further rather than to make any progress and be better. 

The first point is the overall lack of attention the female characters receive. I am aware that the four main characters in the era are men. So, Sirius, Remus and James (I am excluding Peter from this because no one really gives a fuck) will inevitably get more attention and more content compared to everyone else and so will any ship involving them. However, there is no excuse for male characters who were barely mentioned and irrelevant to be getting more attention than characters like Lily, who is arguably more important to the series than someone like James. Furthermore, the fandom loves to pick up names from the books and flesh them out, give them lore and presence and that’s wonderful, I love that, I do that. But why is Evan Rosier, a known Death Eater, more popular in the fandom now than women like Marlene and Dorcas, who we know were incredibly capable witches that fought against Voldemort? If you don’t think this has anything to do with misogyny, I don’t know what to tell you.

Second point has to do with the overall treatment of women and wlw ships. I am so tired of seeing headcanons and fanfics where the women are treated like absolute shit to further mlm ships. Why are you writing Mary being SA-ed and having it covered up by Regulus? Why are you writing Remus and Sirius using Mary as an object? Why are you writing about James cheating on his pregnant wife with his little Death Eater ex-boyfriend during a war where people like her are being persecuted? And most importantly, WHY IS A GIGANTIC PORTION OF THE FANDOM GLORIFYING THIS SHIT AND COMING OUT OF READING THESE FICS AVID SHIPPERS OF THESE COUPLES? Stop using the female character to add a little bit of drama in your mlm fics and then throw them to the side when that’s resolved. 

And now about the wlw ships. Let me just say, I am a bisexual woman, who loves men and women just the same. A lot of your wlw ships are nothing more than smoke screens to 1) get women out of the way of your mlm ships or/and 2) try to keep a facade of caring about the girls and about anything other than mlm ships. Because you don’t talk about them, you don’t engage with content about them, you don’t create content for them. Especially with Lily, the only times many of you talk about lesbian Lily is always relating to your favourite mlm ships that conveniently involves her husband. It’s bullshit. It’s cynicism and I can’t stand it. 

So many people in this fandom sit on their little bubble, exclusively talking about men, with no interest whatsoever for the women but refuse to think about why that is. Why is it that I have absolutely no interest in any female characters?

It's misogyny because, unlike what some people think, misogyny is not shouting out from the rooftops that you hate women. It's the little things that we all have rooted inside us that makes us look and treat women a certain way without often realising we are doing something problematic.

[mouthwashingconfessionsblog]

Jimcurly makes me so physically uncomfortable. It truly feels like one again, the female-attracted male abuser character is just reduced into a fetishised toxic yaoi stereotype. Most of these people don’t even characterise him right like 😭 he would not fucking say that.

It makes me so unhappy. Fandom misogyny keeps ruining every interesting m/f dynamic (not even in a ship way, Anya and Jimmys whole thing is just genuinely interesting. Most fandom Jim curly stuff I see is so ooc anyway lolol).

I don’t believe Jimmy had romantic feelings for curly. He is the draining toxic friend a lot of guys end up having because you are too NICE, rather than kind. If curly was truly kind he would’ve done more for Anya, but ‘keeping the peace’ is easier for everyone.

Jimmy took his anger out on Anya sexually because he (as stated in the game) enjoys being in a position of power, having control. He low-key sexually harasses her pre-crash, and imo his jealousy of curly extended to his success with women. Curly lightly flirted with Anya and she had a positive relationship with him. Jimmy is uncomfortable to be around, he makes weird sexual comments when they’re alone together. He has obsessive resentment of Curly and forced himself onto the one woman on the ship, the woman Curly was seemingly attracted to and seemed to respect Curly a LOT, out of resentment and jealousy towards them both. And then as the captain, she has to walk on eggshells around him. The scene where he carries Curly’s body and hallucinates everyone praising him, he imagines Anya praising him too. And this part is projection from me but I honestly felt like his lack of hallucinating Anya was more pushing down his guilt. It’s easier to think about his lifelong friend who also made mistakes, apologise for crashing the ship and ‘I had issues, I can work through it’ rather than have to face that you forced yourself onto someone because that is never justifiable (neither is attempting to kill everyone but Jimmy is Jimmy). He doesn’t even acknowledge it in his mind because he’s rather pretend it didn’t happen (hiding it from the player), he can’t justify it. It would be better if she just liked him from the start, and respected him like she respected Curly. Then he wouldn’t have ‘had’ to force it. But that’s personal opinion. At least I have reason to believe it rather than just ‘I want this ship to be canon cuz I get off to mlm stuff and see women as getting in the way’. But idk maybe that’s because I’ve dealt with so many men just like Jimmy in my life who blame women for why they can’t get laid. I’m the woman who has been catcalled and harassed by weird older men, and have had actual incels argue with me in public just for wearing a crop top. And I’ve been in Anya’s almost exact position before, so obviously I have a lot of personal connection with her and Jimmy.

I just wish, as a SA survivor, that the one piece of media I’ve seen where the female SA survivor isn’t sexualised mindlessly and the scene isn’t shown, that the fandom would also appreciate that and maybe think twice before completely ignoring the obvious implications of both Jimmy and Curly’s relationship to Anya. Reducing them into gay toxic yaoi shit and then hating on Curly x Anya or ‘headcanoning’ Jimmy as exclusively MLM is fucking weird imo. Like yeah ok let’s just keep ignoring female victims and the only fucking representation of them that isn’t just male gaze abuse fantasy fanservice

I have feelings on this 👍

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[hypotheticalobjectshow]

part 5 tomorrow everyone cheered

in celebration heres some random hcs for if hos was rly popular in 2020-2021 and the fandom was insuferable

every single snailshell character playlist would feature alcoholic friends. they can be those with the same songs over and over (satisfied by marina..... time pass through........... arms tonite mother mother............ literally any tally hall song but usually hidden in the sand....) or the more creative ones, they. all. have. alcoholic friends.

compass would be portrayed as one of those uwu cinamon rolls and either misgendered to hell

people would tell cd fans to kill themselves bc she was.mean to their favs, hiyoko saionji and kusunoki muu treatment people HATE mean teenage girls (even tho i think hiyoko is alr 18 you get the point ppl hate her)

baguette would suffer the teardrop treatment and get infantilized bc she doesnt talk, also she/they erasure so they would only use she

tire gets erased from the narative unless its for shipping bc shes a female protag

erm... bingo dumpling and butter toast who?

everyone either loves crowbar or hates him

safety goggles is a strong woman so she only ocasionally gets mentioned when ppl say shes hot and goes back into dissapearing

everyone loves host. like way too much. they would simp for her in that one poster where hes humanized. kokichi treatment i think. they would make them run for president in russia and get hos banned there. also somehow infantilized like "my baby did nothing wrong idc that he killed 2673 people 🥺🥺🥺"

honey is really nice and a woman they would do her SO dirty. uraraka treatment. they would come up with a mlm ship and somehow honey is getting in the way js bc she was nice to one of them

tv is a non binary character so misgendered again (although i think less than compass? compass gets the frisk treatment where everyone denies they use they/them, tv is just misgendered by those people) and i think everyone would love them way too much also bc they look kinda mean and fandoms love that

yeah thats it fandoms in 2020 sucked ass rly hyped for hos tomorrow send ask

oh dear god

this is. actually horrifying to read because you're so right on every single one of these

if even a SINGLE PERSON portrays compass as an uwu smol bean i'm quitting the comic (im kidding... or am i)

people do already love host from what I can tell but like. not in a simping way. if you simp for host... i guess I can't technically stop you..?

also if i did hypothetically make a snail shell playlist... are you satisfied WOULD be on there i fear. i'm a victim of 2010s music and marina will have a chokehold on me forever.