#doomsday anarchy

[apocalypse-lover]

[champagnemoon]

I’ve been running into a lot of preppers and doomsday people in real life and it’s so interesting how people who have never really been in a violent situation romanticize having to live in a fight or die environment lmao

[weepingtalecowboy]

If we take a look at the disaster Hyrules

It gets pretty clear that Hyrule's Hyrule has by far the least amount of problems

Like yeah no hate towards people who portray his Hyrule as a disaster but it really isn’t that deep

(I love the fanfics anyway and it is just fiction so people can do whatever they want … it just isn’t very realistic but still interesting)

There are enough settlements to avoid inbreeding (probably even having the most out of any Zelda game)

The forest population is not great but could be a LOT worse (it is not as bad as it could be … grass also helps with creating good places for trees to grow in and there is more then enough in adventure of link)

And the NPCs don’t hate him or anything they are just a bit weary (wanting something in return and not letting a random stranger into your house is basic common sense people)

They don’t hate him and give him clues if they know something…even letting him heal for free

Even the one village that wouldn’t let you in was fine with you the second you told them that you had buggo's permission

The monster might be a problem but certainly not the people

The whole game also showed no implications of food shortages or anything like that

No cursed soil , no cursed water (honestly I like to believe that Hyrule just thinks the water is genuinely cursed because he can’t swim)

No dying trees

And while you could say that there are no animals it also has be considered that it is a game that has trouble with interactions as a whole

They probably just didn’t bother with anything not gameplay related

Ganon was already dust and while Hyrule certainly was hunted down

If you stay in a town there is no interaction implying that monster are trying to destroy the town just because you are inside it

But also the same happens in any other Zelda game like obviously monsters are outside and spawn to beat you up (I know the disappointment of not getting into castle town in ocarina of time lol)

But that doesn’t mean that Hyrule has to live in permanent danger

Heck he can just live in the sole town to have a bridge so that even if monster try to get him they would not be able to cross

Even if the century that passed was the equivalent of doomsday or something…

Windwaker , Breath of the wild and even twilight princess also had disasters over 100 years ago (ocarina of time , the flood , calamity ganon )

In fact Breath of the wild recovered perfectly from absolutely annihilation and a loss of monarchy

And only twilight princess has canonical cursed land that affects the Flora and fauna

Why nobody portrays twilight’s Hyrule as having a very bad time with food and hunting will always be a mystery

His Hyrule essentially is Lorule 2.0

Windwaker has the canonically worst recovery of all timelines because the flood took lots of land to live on and to farm on

The entire sea has no fish and remaining people are very few in comparison to Hyrule’s twenty what towns

Like literally only having four settlements (rito included) is not a good thing

Having no hero spirit

No monarchy means nothing as we see in wild's Hyrule but peaceful anarchy with a few leaders in every settlement is not ideal

The goddesses also left

And so did their blessings

Like wind's ganondorf literally just wanted land lol no dominance because the remaining settlements are not worth it

And still the timeline where everything that could go wrong did go wrong still went and figured stuff out

And we have Spirit Tracks as proof that even this Hyrule was able of surviving

[khizuo]

it's 2023 and i haven't participated in dsmp discourse in over a year but i want to drop one take for the sake of it — doomsday discourse is (rightfully) a joke now but sometimes i wonder if people remember what we were actually critical of

i'm rereading old dsmp discourse posts rn... who wants to reminisce with me about my days as a l'manberg apologist/dsmpblr discourse blogger

[abimee]

YOU/ME, for those don't know, is an original video game-turned written story idea I've had since I was fifteen years old back in 2016.

The story follows You, an 11-year-old child who was kept locked away all of their life. Not knowing anything, they are one day released when their mother, the single queen Konsanus, falls ills to a mystery disease simply called 'The Decay'. She has been hunting down her wife, the queen Disonus, for years after the death of their firstborn, and time is running out to find the missing Queen before Konsanus passes and their kingdom of the Fjallo Island falls.

You is given one objective: "Find the queen, or never return." Tossed out into the wide open world, You is made to learn about the Island, it's inhabitants, what has gone on in the years to lead the island to live in anarchy, and how to use this all to find a woman who hasn't been spotted in over a decade, in a world You does not know who they are in, or what they are meant to be.

Intended for mature audiences, YOU/ME is a story that deals in concepts of self-identity, family, trauma, morality, and much more --- Y/M also deals in possibly triggering topics, including: child death and assault, grooming, physical and emotional abuse, parasites, doomsday, pregnancy, and unreality/distorted reality.

Y/M has been both my baby project and my detested long-term investment, and I'm both excited and very scared(!) to finally make it real, even if it's not in the medium I wished for it. There is no exact release date for the first chapter (besides early 2025, around Jan-Mar), but I hope everyone enjoys meeting the cast of Y/M and following them on this journey 8 years in the making.

[cr1zz0]

Imagine tomorrow if suddenly everyone's gender or sex swapped. The world will be thrown to chaos because confusion, Anarchy everywhere, Scientific community will search for answer, some people will probably predict another doomsday.. And there's me on the corner, living life XD.

[hometoursandotherstuff]

Who would like to live in the world's largest Doomsday Bunker Community located in Edgemont, ND. (I don't see any neighbors, but there are supposed to be 100s of homes. I guess they're all underground.) This is Lot E 103 Bunker Rd. (not very original). Notice the big E - 103 over the door, so visitors will easily find you. Price for the 1945 bunker is $69,900.

The front door (there is a rear exit somewhere). The Black Hills Army Base was originally built by the Army Corps of Engineers as a fortress to store bombs and munitions, from 1942 to 1967, when the base was completely retired.

I don't know what this is. Maybe some sort of ventilation?

It looks like some of the dirt has sloughed off the building. There're some mounds of dirt to cover it back up.

It's pretty clean inside. All bunkers feature a standard 26.5 foot interior floor width, with lengths of 60 feet and 80 feet, each with a 12.5 foot high ceiling to the top of the interior arch.

This bunker has flooring in place, water hookup and air filtration/blast valves.

There's some sort of trench dug on the right. Each bunker includes a concrete floor and steel blast door, that seals to stop any water, air or gas permeation; air and exhaust ventilation shafts, and a secondary emergency exit.

Lease is owned by Vivos XPoint. (The community organization.) Potential buyer will need to make application and Owner must approve all purchases and leases. They're pretty choosy about who buys them.

The Vivos Community means business.

Vivos says: Away from Riots, Violence, Targets and Submersion Zones. The yellow circles represent Anarchy Zones. This former military base is no longer a target, having been retired since 1967.

It's difficult to capture the enormous scale of Vivos xPoint, nearly 3/4 of the size of Manhattan, NYC. Standing at one end of the complex, you cannot see the furthest bunkers on the horizon.

Massive. Safe. Secure. Isolated.

This is what it could look like.

You must visit the Vivos website. I was fascinated. They have a survival gear shop and you also would want to apply for membership in Vivos.

[vladdyissues]

To be honest, Vald is the one who lives the most in his dreams, AI maddy With the clone Danny, it can be seen that he hasn't been able to have a beautiful dream for many years. So, if he wants to live in this dream forever after the Nocturne incident, I wouldn't find it strange, so I'm thinking……

AU sleeping beauty

vald He is good at dreaming and always deceives himself. For decades, he has been building his own false dream of a perfect family every day. To him, every minute and second of reality is like a prison isolated from the world. Vald doesn't want to wake up from this dream, but will it really be forever?

Or in other words

Will there be a handsome boy with a kiss that awakens Sleeping Beauty from stagnant time?

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Nocturne is here, Danny felt the different behaviors of the people around him in his dream because he always had a real connection with them. He was scared and woke up on his own. He solved the nocturne and woke up everyone in the town except for the mayor masters

Danny certainly wants Vald not to wake up and threaten his family life, but as a hero of Amity Park, he cannot let the town enter a state of anarchy without a mayor. After Vald was unconscious for three days, Danny reluctantly and angrily sneaked into Vald's mansion under the persuasion of friends and the blind concern of his parents' ignorance, and decided to wake him up

"Creazy up fruit loops"Danny Watching Vald sleeping on a four-column bed holding a homemade Maddy doll. He rolled my eyes, let out a deep sigh, and got up to sneak into Vald's dream.

He opened his eyes from the darkness and looked around, realizing that he had fallen in front of the magnificent gate of Vald Wisconsin Castle. He secretly flew to the window and poked out a head to look into the green and gold colored room. He thought he was about to see a gray doomsday scene where Vald was ruling the world, or a nauseating family picture of Vald leaning against his mother with a possessive expression and placing his hand on his shoulder. Indeed, he was right. The fake mother and fake self were indeed here, but he didn't expect to see myself sitting there with his mother, comforting and holding Vald, while…… Vald ……cried?

This feeling is both unbelievable and reasonable

He fought with Vald countless times, He was on the brink of deathwitnessing his angry failures, triumphant victories, and daily pretending to be approachable while actually looking down on all sides. he even resorted to coercive measures when acne flared up，on the brink of death —Vald never showed his inner vulnerability.

But once again, he never made Vald's dream come true. How could he have anticipated how Vald would react when his dreams came true—Vald always surprised him.

He didn't know if it was because he felt a chill down his spine about himself and his mother continuing to stick to his archenemy, or because he didn't want to think about the meaning behind Vald's revelation of a side he wouldn't have seen for a million years. He didn't want to dwell on it, so he remembered his purpose for coming here and took action.

Danny Rushing into the house and stopping in front of Vald, he now needs to stimulate Vald and make him realize that everything is a false dream, so that he can wake up immediately, vald After seeing Danny's appearance, He widened my eyes and was clearly startled. It seemed that this chaotic dream was finally coming to an end

The young half shouted, "Wake up quickly! Fruit loops!! This is all a dream, fake! oops， It's so creepy, to be honest, do you think the real me and mom would do this to you?" But as Vald listened to what the boy was saying, he slowly closed his eyes and lowered his head. He took out the red silk handkerchief from his suit chest pocket to wipe away the remaining tears at the corner of his eyes, no longer looking at the uninvited intruder. The two dream image in the room were manipulated by the threads behind them. They obediently stepped back and stood still, then stopped moving, Danny Hands on hips facing Vald, waiting for the end of the dream, only the clock on the wall kept making a regular sound.

Tick tock tick tock tick tock……

Time slowly slips away, a few seconds, dozens of seconds, a few minutes, Danny Continuously staring at Vald, he gradually twitched at the corners of his eyes and swallowed a mouthful of saliva. He began to feel bewildered and increasingly lost in thought

Why... is this dream not over yet?

The subtle silence was broken, and the smooth baritone echoed in the room, "Daniel, go back"

The older man put away his handkerchief, straightened his waist and adjusted his sitting posture. He looked up at the young man with sharp eyes and a commanding tone full of superiority. Apart from the red corners of his eyes, there was no trace of the fragile figure of the man just now

……？ what?? Has he not realized all of this yet?

Danny The fluorescent green gaze was filled with surprise. He widened his eyes and lowered his arms, his tone full of disbelief. As he slowly shook his head, he said, "Do you think I'm fake?" He closed his eyes and rubbed his temples before continuing, "Okay! I didn't know you needed to conduct cloning experiments in your dream, such as doing some half ghost son army and other dark behaviors. Anyway, I'm not going to obediently return to the clone storage room in your laboratory like you want ……"

“Daniel， I know this is a dream, but it's my dream. I don't need you to arrogantly rescue me. You leave now and go back to the real world. You're not welcome here. If you need a farewell order, then I'm happy to offer it to you"

How arrogant and conceited, how arrogant and conceited, how infuriating! Vald always knows how to press the buttons on his body, Danny If he hadn't been overwhelmingly confused by the other party's statement that they didn't want to wake up, he would have been beaten up straight away

"W, what? Why? To be honest, wake up now! Vald, do you still want to spend your whole life in your dreams?" Danny stared at Vald, furrowed his eyebrows and took a step back. What exactly did Vald want to do……?

"Why? Little Badger, what do you care about?"

There was an imperceptible bitterness in the man's tone, and he raised an eyebrow, tilting his head to continue arrogantly and absentmindedly speaking

"Ah, of course, your little hero duty. If it's just because of the vacancy in the mayor's position, you can contact the previous mayor to take office. I have a contract signed with him, during which he will help handle these positions and exchange them for my money. His contact number and related documents are in the third drawer on the left side of my study desk."

Danny The purpose of coming here seems to have been solved like this. From now on, there are no annoying fruit loops threatening his life. It's like killing two birds with one stone, but why does Vald's heart become more and more dull with every word he says? Why is he speechless and frozen now? Isn't he very good at throwing out inner stones and small bumps as witty remarks when he is a phantom? He flashed some images in his mind, feeling that he had vaguely guessed the reason, but he didn't want to think about that possibility. It was too low, on another level……

The man's gaze slowly returned to the two dolls beside him, and his deep blue eyes became dull again. After a moment, he looked back at Danny with a gloomy and cold gaze, sighed angrily, and continued coldly.

"There is something on the bedside table on the right side of my bedroom. Before you burn it, for the benefit of your family, I think it's best for you to take a look first"

Upon hearing these words, Danny finally regained his senses and his anger returned. Ah! That's it, just like before, he's still the same fruit loops! Another threat manipulation strategy, who knows what new tricks he's playing to force him and his mother to join him and get rid of his father!

"Uh, you know what?! Your conspiracy won't succeed, I will definitely come back and kick your butt! "You lonely cat owner! He was so angry that he didn't even want to say the last thing he didn't say, Danny Pointing at Vald with his fingers, he let out an angry hiss and finally gave him a sharp glare. He turned his back and decided to go out and see what kind of situation Vald was really using! Kicking his butt in his dream is not painful enough, he must make him wake up before kicking his butt. This is at least what he deserves.

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Probably this feeling... Oh well, I don't think I can write anymore (although I really want to see: Danny kissed Vald to prove he cared about him, and finally made Vald willing to wake up ，this scene)

vald is it a sleeping dragon or a sleeping beauty?

I do hope you turn this idea into a fanfic, I love it :)

[itsnothingofinterest]

You know, honestly the LoV should have won the Paranormal Liberation War and annihilated most of the Class 1A and the hero society as a whole. I didn't like Class 1A because nobody died and plot armor saved them too many times so I want the LoV to win in the PLF War Arc.

While I can't say I’m a big proponent to any of the kids dying, especially when they…used to be…the best chance the story had at changing things in the next generation. (Definitely should’ve killed more pro heroes though, especially Endeavor.) But that other stuff?

Yeah, yeah I think the first war should’ve ended in a far more decisive villain victory. Especially one where they get to be in charge a bit.

Like, people came away from the first war thinking the heroes lost, and certainly it was their worst showing of an operation in living memory. But did they lose? Certainly not. The villains lost over 99% of their forces including many of their power players that could’ve taken on pro heroes solo and won. Sure they picked up more later for the 2nd war, but most of these replacements were USJ-tier nobodies at best. Meanwhile the heroes only lost half their numbers...and most were just due to cold feat in the aftermath. Actual casualties were, as I recall, a few dozen or so? Maybe in the low hundreds?

And I think that’s quite a missed opportunity. I’d have loved to see what things could’ve been like with Shigaraki on his rubble throne; let the PLF put their money where their mouths were and make the easier-to-live-in world Toga kept talking about. I think it could’ve been a great way to show the flaws that were supposed to be in their approach, maybe see why things can’t get better through their kind of violent upheaval or what ways they aren’t equipped to govern; but maybe also highlight some more flaws in the existing system by having the PLF focus hard on fixing them or maybe fixing a few easily. Just one "man, why didn't we do that?" situation could've been really cool & interesting.

Instead we got a period where nobody was in charge…well, actually more accurately the heroes and their government were still in charge in theory, but they were doing it badly because they failed once so a bunch of people lost so much faith that they stopped listening and chose to live in localized effective anarchy instead. But then the heroes prove themselves again and it all went back to normal.

(Man, putting it like that makes the hero system seem like the stock market if it was law enforcement.)

Anyway, because we didn’t really get to see what the villains’ world would be like, I still kind of think a resolution where Shigaraki triumphed over everyone and came out on top as ruler would’ve been the 2nd best ending for everything we could’ve gotten. (1st was of course one where heroes and villains work together for a best of both worlds resolution. 3rd by a wide margin is the one we got where everything goes back to as it was and trucks along to doomsday. And 4th was the one where AFO pulls a win out his ass.) Because, considering how aware the PLF are of the existing system’s flaws and their want to correct them; I can’t think of much solid criticism for their hypothetical governance that are not themselves purely hypothetical worst-case assumptions. I mean, besides ‘it’s wrong to get there through such violence’…and this is a shonen action manga where All Might ushered in an age of peace after beating up enough of AFO’s goons. A message like that’d always read a little hollow.

I can’t help but think that’s not the impression I was supposed to get towards the idea of the League being in charge and trying to make their easier world, but it’s the one I got anyway because there's not much to disprove it. Whoops.

Besides, the Paranormal Liberation War arc really was the villains' arc; if anyone had earned a true win by the end, it was them.

[simplepotatofarmer]

YEAH

y'all don't know how badly i need post prison c!dream, delirious out of his mind from the hellbox that was pandora's vault, reflexively biting c!phil (or even c!ranboo) and them being like 'wtf??? he just BIT me' and c!techno reacting exactly like that 'it don't bite' vine.

[bleue-flora]

Do you have any analysis on c!techno I have always struggled understanding him

Not sure if this counts as a take or analysis, but here are some Techno and Dream thoughts I’m having this morning after watching old streams the other night. (In general, just as an aside, I don’t often do just blatant character analysis without a jumping off point or angle so giving me something specific about Techno you are curious about is often easier for me to answer :) … ya know, too many thoughts, gotta narrow things down lol <3)

What’s interesting between Techno and Dream is that while both are against oppression and abuse of power, and strive for a society of harmony, Techno is for absolute freedom versus Dream who wants people to be free to do what they want as long as they are being reasonable and respectful to others. What’s interesting too is I think part of what Dream strives to do especially more so in the beginning is counter any power imbalance, but he ironically does so by projecting an authoritative position therefore being part of the power dynamic. (Hopefully, that makes sense…) I believe Tubbo and Sapnap are ones to point this out, that Dream’s means to remove the tyrant end up with him more so resembling a tyrant. Perhaps this is why he made a king in the first place to shift the heat off of himself but note the king is never given all power sort of preventing him from becoming a tyrant…

Additionally, it is worth noting that Dream is not anti-government like Techno is even if he is anti-tyrant and abuse of power, he even suggests an election back in the early days before they even made a courthouse to settle the disputes [clip]. LIkely some of the reasons he is anti-L’manberg is that they 1) built a their nation on the foundation of pissing off the green boy and 2) their separation as well as the the power they gave Wilbur to enact rules for everyone to follow no questions asked. Had Wilbur wanted to run an election for the whole server then Dream might not have liked it but there wouldn’t have been as much of a problem, unlike the country barring people from entering due to their race. In fact, with Wilbur’s policy of no armor, Dream would have probably been more or less fine with him being the president (if it was more like Eret was as king) because his power is only that which they give him, the moment he starts to abuse his power it can easily be revoked by the people whether via a coop like with Schlatt or just abdication like Eret.

Techno on the other hand is for anarchy and a world without government, where people have freedom to govern themselves. What I think he perhaps realizes after the war of Pogtopia though is that that freedom should perhaps extend to people’s right to form a government. Something he doesn’t agree with, but again he is for people’s right to do as they please even if that is to do something he disagrees with. I think that’s perhaps why he lets Las Nevadas and Snowchester form even though they are nations and he vowed to dismantled any government. But wanting everyone to have freedom for themselves even if it’s to form a government, does not extend to governments taking away people’s freedom like L’manberg did to him by not allowing his retirement.

Though I think when it comes to Doomsday a lot of that was also self protection. I think Dream knew about the plot they had to kill him at the green festival and there’s the attempt they made to kill Techno, so the pair had to take down L’manberg as self defense otherwise what’s to stop the country from continuing to come after them. Though both things can be true, I think going after L’manberg was both self defense as well as destroying something people continued to use as an abuse of power against their citizens as well as others…

[apocalypse-lover]

[rkeigg]

tw:"blood"

quick sketches of these silly boys, I'm still trying to draw something, but I don't know. (I'm trying to figure out if I want stylization or not)

Since I'm finishing reading the manga "My Hero Academy", I've been thinking about what Techno and Dream would be like in the mha universe. Well, they would have broken the 4th wall, there was an attempt to arrange doomsday and anarchy. A quirk of Techno-type obsession, it manifests itself in a halo over the head reacting to it. He uses a quirk, so to speak, the "eyes" take over, can control blood, but the more he uses blood, the more he falls into a state of insanity(I'm addicted to Techno, which controls the blood) The dream quirk of the "admin panel"? Literally causes a quick panel of 9 cells, as in Minecraft, in which 9 mysterious objects are embedded, divided into support items and for combat (Something like a pocket dimension) He can shuffle them, but each item has its own limitation (I didn't develop it further, lol, so I don't know what kind of items) Sorry lll.

[blockgamepirate]

(that post was so banger it finally made me register an alt) Honestly, you are so correct about L'Manberg

I remember regularly lurking around mcytblr and reading analysis and I think I only saw coherent L'Manberg nationalism analysis from, like, Xephyr and a c!Dream blogger/fan. Which is crazy in retrospect, because the ease with which most of the fandom leaned into fictional country hardcore patriotism was/is kinda insane

And the ensuing anti Doomsday stance -- like we all know that terrorism is bad and shit, but absolute refusal to acknowledge that maybe Doomsday trio and co were not punished by the narrative for having done that was because they were right was. sure something!

omg that's very flattering thank you :D

By Xephyr I assume you mean @considermygenderminecrafted ? Because yes, xe has some of the best L'Manburg critique out there, as well as some of the best c!Wilbur critique, everybody should absolutely check it out immediately (altho frustratingly, I just tried to find some of their posts as an example but Tumblr's search function is still absolute garbage (Xeph, do you have some of your great posts at hand and if so, can you just link some of them in the reblogs or something?))

And yes. There are valid criticisms that can be made of the Doomsday Trio's tactics (which even Techno himself sort of acknowledged later), but at the end of the day, they were on the right side of history

(Well Dream's character less so, but I can't even be bothered to try to analyse him at this point because none of his plans make sense to me)

Also nobody ever seems to acknowledge that Doomsday Trio were acting in self-defence, since L'Manburg had already gone after both Techno and Phil, and was at the time trying to kill Dream as well, although he kinda beat them to the punch (possibly because he already knew they were planning to kill him? idk, I'm not sure if that was ever confirmed or not)

But yeah, the argument about them needing to be punished by the narrative was always absurd to me, and it just betrays the fandom's belief that L'Manburg was supposed to be objectively good, despite all the evidence that it very much was not, not even to its own citizens! And possibly also the unquestioned assumption of "state good, anarchy bad"

Meanwhile the actual narrative repeatedly shows that L'Manburg always ends up becoming toxic, corrupt and ultimately oppressive, even under the Good President, while on the other hand the anarchist commune eventually turns into a sanctuary for all sorts of people who need a safe place to stay (even arguably the aforementioned former Good President when he needs somewhere to hide his son from kidnappers)

And yeah, this is why I did get pretty heated about some of the debates at the time, and I kinda still do, because in the process of assuming that L'Manburg was always the good guys, they ended up repeatedly justifying just absolutely horrific state violence as well as excusing early L'Manburg's xenophobia (as comedic as it initially was), which unfortunately mirrors a lot of real world authoritarianism and xenophobia

To be fair a lot of this was probably also protagonist-centric morality, since most of these people also saw the L'Manburg side as the main characters, but then again what is nationalism if not a form of protagonist-centric morality where you see your own country as the protagonist of the world lol

I might actually need to make a proper post now since multiple people have shown interest, unfortunately I'm also very lazy and kinda made my main points in that low effort post already

Which would mean that it would actually have to be a high effort post to justify its existence

[isa-ghost]

Isa my darling! Happy Birthday, albeit a couple of days early.

Seeing you screech in Philza's streams because Apollo hit you with that dodgeball yet again makes me giggle a lot.

How about since headcanon's for qPhilza's past/pre island relationship with qFit. How they got to know each other, and how quickly they became friends?

Idr if I said this on Tumblr yet but deadass I asked Apollo on my pendulum if qPhil is his blorbo and he said yes. He's been as invested in shit as me and it's been hilarious. I literally have crows yelling at me irl to keep writing rn but I'm answering headcanons first.

The entire time I've been distracted between writing these, crows have been yelling at me about it. Which. Is how Apollo communicates with me when I'm not actively talking to him through readings LMFAO.

Also thank you for the birthday wish :D [desperately hoping nothing else horrible happens this weekend please god]

Anyway qPhil headcanons masterlist let's go

Disclaimer that I didn't know of Fit before QSMP (I've only been in mcyt for 4 years monkaS) so these are gonna be largely pulled out of my ass and a lil repetitive.

These two both have experiences in anarchy and war, they've definitely brushed shoulders a couple times bc of it

They admired each other's work ofc. Phil is a macro scale kinda guy, total annihilation and victory that makes a statement. Fit's more of a micro scale kinda guy, zeroing in on one person or group individually and making their lives hell until the end in the name of surviving a little longer

On that note, I think we all sleep a little bit on the fact that Fit is Also a survivalist like Phil, just in a very different set of high stakes conditions. These two are equally skilled in it and equally sharp strategists

On that note, anyone who knew them from the past would fear the idea of them coming together to create a plan of any kind, especially of the anarchist-fueled variety. If the Federation has done their research right, they should know full well how terrifying this duo could be in an effort to dismantle their authority

Btw by brushing shoulders I don't just mean brief passings by, I mean they've like. Camped out for a night together, temporarily truced for the sake of safety in numbers, etc. More than a few conversations have been had even if the time they've spent together totals to less than a week.

However, even when they weren't actively paired together, they'd still occasionally trade or gift each other surplus resources. It was a genuine kind act, even if it simultaneously served as a reason for each of them to not come after the other. I scratch your back, you scratch mine.

Like why do you think Fit was one of the first threats on Phil's mind in Purgatory. He Knew(tm). And he knew Fit has an affinity for picking off the weak first, like a lion after a herd of antelope. To him, Purgatory was the awakening of a monster who'd been dormant for a long time.

See, present day they're QPR as fuck, they'd never do this now without 10x the pressure Purgatory put on them, but back in the day they took close notes on each other's strengths and weaknesses. Just In Case, yknow? They could very much kill each other. Back in the day they would've if it came to it, no matter how good an ally they were.

Something about how these two used to be so cold and hard to the world. Be it to self-preserve or some other reason. Something about how now they've both softened and warmed after becoming parents. They never could've imagined the other would "weaken" like this, especially back then.

Phil 🤝🏻 Fit - Phil being a historian of the deities/builds of his Hardcore World, Fit being a historian of 2B2T

A lot of this boils down to mutual respect, common interests, and secret admiration tbh. And what's more homoerotic than that?

They're both crisis preppers. Not doomsday type shit, just. Being ready for shit to hit the fan. They both come from places where life is significantly more dangerous than it is in other realms.

The crazy thing is though? Despite the above, they can't imagine being from each other's realms. Phil would LOATHE 2B2T and Fit would hate the absoluteness of Hardcore. Isolation is absolute, death is absolute. There's no wiggle room or margin for error.

With how adaptive the two of them are due to their origins, they could probably acclimate to any conditions. They'd complain about having to, especially if it was inconvenient, but they could. They used to swap tips & tricks with each other on how to improve their adaptability too.

Fit would've 100% been down to join Phil on Doomsday in DSMP. He was thoroughly impressed when Phil told him the story.

[ckret2]

So like, why do the Death Valley cultists worship bill? What do they hope to get out of it, or what do they want from him in return?

They're an apocalypse cult. He's convinced them that society is on the brink of falling apart into complete anarchy (think doomsday prepper beliefs) and the human race will die—unless, of course, Bill gets to Earth in time to save humanity from self-destruction. He'll liberate them from unjustly restrictive laws, from false religions, from oppressive governments, from poverty and disease and death, and rebuild a new better world where everything is possible.

He's, like... not technically lying.

These are people who were jaded about their lives and the modern world; Bill exploited that, leaned into their worst fears about humanity, and convinced them that society wasn't just flawed but doomed. The best thing for this world would be to end it before it ends itself so a better world can be built, and in the meantime to withdraw completely from this flawed soul-crushing world.

In the inevitable confusion of the transition period to Bill's brave new world, the humans who are already informed about what's coming and who have already let go of their past lives will obviously be the most prepare to roll with the punches, embrace the new world, and flourish. He's told just about all of them that they have a personality uniquely suited to thriving in the world he's building. And of course, a few of the humans best suited to this new world will have to help the other humans adjust—which means leadership positions. Plus, naturally, Bill himself will be so grateful to the humans who have honored and supported him all these years, he simply must reward them when he meets them in person.

So they think it's in their best interests. Obeying Bill will keep them safe and help them flourish in the coming apocalypse/revolution. They'd be stupid not to follow his commands, because everything he commands is for their own good.

They know about Weirdmageddon by the name "the Age of the Triangle."