#dont want to be in this wasps nest!

[2ofswords]

Ooof, the main Pathologic tag is having an interesting time right now! And I feel like giving my two cents (and I absolutely feel NOT like main tagging this, but why not talk here on my blog, where few people can see)

Short story about what is happening (at least from my perspective): Some new person in the fandom drew a comic, that depicted Artemy with a very big body and tiny head next to a teeny-tiny Daniil. Another person, who saw that and found issues with it, talked about it on their own blog (and maybe main tagged it? I'm not sure about that but who cares) and explaned how it plays into bad depictions and stereotypes. That person was pretty clear in the description of it being bad but also very very clearly states, that they dont want other people to be harassed here. They clearly use it as an example for racist behavior in the fandom. Flash foward to the main tag complaining about people policing other creators' art and saying that this one "isnt really that bad."

Like... okay. I have seen the artwork and what I think is the original criticism of it. And I think, my opinion on the general matter is pretty obvious if you look at the way I describe what happened here: In my opinion the original author is pretty spot on. The criticism is also strict but not unkind and explains at length what the problem with the art ist. The artwork is indeed both stylized and relatively tame. However, I think the original point of the criticism is, that even well-meaning and stylized cartoony art (or sometimes even espacially that one) can fall into bad stereotypes. The original post also goes out of its way to explain, that drawing Artemy as a big and tough and/or fat man is completely alright, but that the way the "huge build small head" - stereotype is bad and the unrealistic comparison between Artemy and Daniil in the depiction of an interracial couple is a problem. Which... come on, that is a pretty normal take! And again, this was criticism and not harrassment, even if you would disagree with this! On the other hand, yes, there is no reason to harass the person, who made the comic or even bring it up further. The comic wasn't made to specifically depict a stereotype or be harmfull, even if it sure framed things in a way that is... quite unfortunate. The point was made, the criticism is very vissible. Point taken. Either the person will improve or you have a magnificent reason to blog and move on. No need to bring it up multiple times, at least to this one person specifically. I honestly dont know, if that person received hate afterwards, but I will state loud and clear: If they did, that is both not okay and (in my opinion) thoroughly unnecessary! There is obviously a discussion that people can be had here and that one is about general fandom culture and not this one person making art! It is super disingenuous to take what happend and only frame it as "harrassment", since the original discussion is not about that but about genuine fandom depictions of characters! And one can and should have this discussion without literally harassing anyone! Which - again - is how this started! So please, can we like... not mix these two up? Because that does nothing but muddy the water and make talking about the important stuff really difficult. Most of the time I saw criticisms of the people getting harassed I always saw "this comic isnt even that bad, there were worse ones" and like... that is not better? Dont we want to talk about that?? Like... come on, guys! Criticism =/= Harassment! If you want to say you do not find the picture bad, just do that! I do not agree with you but I am sure that you can make your argument! (And I think a lot of people just got upset because they like that kind of art and felt attacked by the criticism... even if it attacked no one) If you wanna talk against harassement you can do that without being against the original argument! But of course, this is only about which side one is on for the people in the main tag. It is fucking "anti vs proship" all over again. And that frustrates me to no end.

[pyrosomatic-metamorphosis]

OH. okay so normally i dont touch discourse with a 20 ft pole, but this has been niggling at my brain tonight and i finally realized why

the people who are mad at qbbh for the memory loss and “dodging consequences” dont understand that he doesnt want to dodge consequences. Like they cant know that, they werent focused on him when he was literally feeding himself to the soul vultures and planning his eventual imprisonment and also. The Many Many Many hints he made towards suicide/sacrifice/Just Fucking Dying.

ccbbh is a subtle roleplayer, he’s been building this shit up for two whole months- it was day FIVE of the eggs going missing that he resolved to do whatever it took (hurting his friends) to get the eggs back. It was day three that he followed in dapper’s footsteps and started feeding himself to the soul vultures (and gaining a Massive headwound beneath his hood in the process- you can only see it if you go on namemc and remove the layers). He’s got impaired judgement. Even the memory issues arent a new thing- i cant remember exactly when they started, but one of the first big moments i remmeber was september 30th where he spent an hour falling into a delusional frenzy searching his base for cameras that he forgot he asked aypierre to plant.

The super murder of purgatory and the memory loss afterwards probably all feels very sudden for people who havent been following his story, but as someone who has been- all of this has been true to character. The only cheap swings he’s made have been combat-based in purgatory, and even the motive for those was built up in rp.

People are calling for consequences, but he has alrwady been experiencing self-inflicted consequences for months. The blue on his usual outfit is blood. This recent memory loss isnt a restart to get away with the atrocities - it is yet another consequence of his egg-protecting complexes and the ways he punishes himself for failing them.

he is NOT a moral character. he’s a demon hiding in plain site. he has eaten people. he has killed people. he understands the cruelty of his actions, and the consequences of them for the loved ones of his victims. but it matters when that harm is being done to his loved ones. he’ll still do it, because he will do anything for the eggs, but it matters, and that means that he has already started the process of self-inflicting those much-demanded consequences

[wackpedion]

mutuals talkng about their taxidermied mice and deer skulls making me wish i took that ripped off bird wing i found today

[toru-saynomoree]

what if tooru was transmasc

Transmasc toru and transfem diavolo .WHO SAID THAT ??

[lgbtshawn]

with the bmwpod tour coming up, does anyone have the guts to ask about shipping or is that too cringe n niche for the audience this tour is for 😭

[sirompp]

the way some of you guys talk about ai is um. kind of concerning? like you know image generation and chatgpt arent the only kinds of ais in the world right.

[antisociallilbrat]

Can I please scroll through the ELEVEN HOPPER tag without seeing a bunch of shit about anti mileven. Milkvan this mildew that, I just wanna see Eleven Hopper stuff. Keep that shit in the ship tags, I don't care about Mileven but damn that shit is draining to constantly see.

[batqueers]

moving to another country with no money fucking around and finding out not saying anything feeling Really deliciosos rn

[sunjoys]

picture taken 5 minutes before discovering a wasp nest in the kennel

[mourningmaybells]

cant believe genly ai and estraven ran through the ice so will riker and soren could flop around and accidentally roll into the finish line

[duoduotian]

wasp gone (probably)

[themoodyestj]

why Jensen would definitely choose Misha over Jared as a romantic partner.

Misha is fucking beautiful, he has the prettiest eyes, a sweet smile, kissable lips and a rocking bod. (Jared looks like a dehydrated noodle/ Slenderman)

Misha is a good person, kind and loving who genuinely cares for others and wants to make the world a better place. (Jared thinks he's the center of the universe and he beats people up and mistreats the service)

Misha is on the very short list of people Jensen would call if he had a problem. (Jared throws tantrums on twitter over stuff that isn't his business)

Jensen loves Misha from the bottom of his heart, he loves him a little bit more even if he made him eat brains, and he tells that to Misha every day.

Misha is Jensen's type, he's pretty similar to his wife. (you know, the person he's actually in love with)

Jared is just annoying.

OK, before I touch this wasp nest, let me make the following disclaimer: Unlike many of what you guys believe, Im not a Jared stan. I like the guy, I tend to like what he stands for. I lean more on the Jensen side. I don't shy away of criticizing any of them. Im am utterly against all kinds of blind worship of celebrities, I find them mentally clinical cases worth of therapy, not praise. That being said:

If you like dry lips and grime, I guess? To be honest, I dont find Misha or Jared particularly hot. I know non celebrities hotter than any of them. Jared is even a bit too tall for my personal taste. And if you find Misha hot, more power to you, I guess? This is totally relative. I would NEVER go for Misha. Im more of a sapiosexual girl (and the guy is not the smartest bulb in the box) but also because he looks unclean and unkept. Greasy. Clothes look dirty. Borderline trailer park look. My opinion though.

I like how you pulled an old story and an untrue story to attack Jared. Yes, Jared shouldnt have been a hot head (like what, ten years ago?). Misha still craps on Jared *any chance he gets*. Your kind soul is so insecure, so cheap that he still talks about someone who clearly doesnt give a crap about him. So... saying Misha is a good person... Kind of a stretch. I see Misha more on the "butthurt, talking crap, oportunistic kindness" side rather than "good person" side. And there are so many times when he could just... shut up. Mish is so deep in the shit he spews that not even his delulu (and quite active and argumentative) hellers can weasel his way into a job. That's how sad he is.

Well, Misha see signs in his carpet and tweets over going to the dentist. They can both do stupid crap on the internet. As for Jensen, well... he also mocked Misha for wanting a job in TW and laughed *with Jared* over saying no... He also disses Misha behind his back with JDM. So...

Yeah, and then you woke up all sweaty with a big stain on your sheets and your hand in your crotch. It happens. Not to all of us, not in adulthood... But it happens. Don't feel bad.

Well, Misha and Danneel do have a lot in common. They both had one big break and did nothing of value with it, they are both still trying to milk their glory days even as years passed, they are both trying to get something out of Jensen disregarding his well being and they are both people Jensen will see not more than necessary. Oh, they are both cheap, have no awareness of courtesy or class, they both try too hard and get nothing in return, and they are both known because someone ships Jensen with them. On their own, they would be easily forgetable. Oh, oh, and none of them knows how to act. Their characters or as a decent human being. I ship Dee and Mish now! Kindred spirits.

Oh, I agree. He is super annoying. He is so annoying that the only thing he needs to do is to sit and look pretty, and all hellers and AAs will hate his guts. He's like this light that enters the cave and makes the creepy crawlers hiss. He's deliciously annoying. All he needs to do is exist, and all of you loose your shit. The true kind of power is when you dont need to do anything and still you have an effect. Im not a Jared stan, but man, that is admirable. Thanks for stopping by!

[daydrinking75]

fuck off i just wana get high of prescription medication so my back stops hurting and not participate in society. cant i just DO things? without the weight of having a future and fighting for to keep it. its not that im being forced to, but its my only option. i dont think its worth dying yet, theres nothing to die over really; the cumulative experience of 20 years really is nothing in the grand scheme of things. i have an idea of who i could be, and id like to see that person and be that person, but i can only do so if i keep living. and living means work. it takes a lot of work to live. and that makes me just wana kill myself because why is life--something thats upheld on this stupid pedestal and considered "good"--so damn painful? to me anyway. thats the unfortunate thing, i can only experience the universe through myself. these things are only painful to me, in the sense that without myself present, there wouldn't ve anyone in pain. and the world wold continue to exist. "painful" really just means inconvenient. then again, maybe i just havent felt real pain. im a white girl complaining on the internet with fancy words--i know how it sounds. and even then, pain beyond my understanding is just an extreme inconvenience beyond my understanding. it doesnt devalue it though, what was gained and lost from the pain doesnt go away just because it's a pest. thats the opposite of what they do. some people have wasp nests in their brain. some people clean them out, some let them fester--some people have butterflies (how wonderful that must be), ants, spiders--things of an infestive nature. they accumulate over time, its up to you how to handle it. its a responsibility, to live. to ensure to properly treat the environment of infectents. and ive always struggled to care. to give a fuck. i just dont. for whatever reason, on principle, i couldnt be bothered with responsibility. but i am by the suffering it brings. and the eventual suffocation--forget falling figs, i feel like im watching termites devour my future because of my conscious neglect. i cant stand it. and im sure this is a common occurrence. but i dont have a "will to live" i have a will to become, and the only way to do that is to stay alive long enough for me to understand and grow myself into someone worth dying next to. because im unable to become something when i die, thats all i am, dead. and all the blood and tears and trauma that comes with that concept. but in my experience life is full of that anyway, and the only thing that sets apart the "big sleep" is the act of ending life. it just stops. its a given that im agnostic--i wish i believed in a god that loved me, people often seem happier when they have divine love, even if it hurts others--and for me heaven isnt a place i'll find after i die. hell might be, but that doesnt change the fact that the afterlife remains provably defined as a variable. an entity of limitless possibilities, including nothing at all. the only thing thats known for sure is that its not this, its not life. otherwise it wouldn't end so abruptly. so life and death are antithetical and interchangeable; just two different states of existence. its not by any fault of its own that death is so painful; its a function, a process, it will execute its purpose regardless of if it hurts someone or not. unfortunately all things living, including people, are those who deal with the hurt. no one finds the things that hurt them appealing. well, thats a lie. if you know you know. lets say its at the very least impractical; if you want to live, why would you be attracted towards death? what a wonderful question. its a shame i dont have the answer. i have speculations, educated guesses, impulsive thoughts, but its about time i circle back to the point im trying, flimsily, to make; its impossible to live without thinking. without engaging in life. in society. in people. its those things that give us substance; reality is precious because its uncontrollable, daydreams wont ever compare. so maybe the unknown isnt so scary. its different.

[scaphismpriest]

DUDE I FUCKING HATE GROUND WASPS I ALMOST GOT FUCKING STUNG WHILE LOOKING FOR MATERIALS AND I WAS LIKE 2 FUCKING FEET AWAY FROM IT ONLY JUST TO NOTICE IT IN TIME AND WAS LIKE "hm! whats that buzzing? (clueless)" DONT BUILD YOUR FUCKING NEST IN THE GROUND IF YOU DONT WANT PEOPLE WALKING ON IT

[cyborg-franky]

I want to hear about you growing up in haunted house. How did you know it was haunted? Was it scary or where you so young you just didn't know to be scared? Why do you think it was haunted?

Oh lord. Story time.

So the house was victorian in era and in the middle of nowhere. I was.. I think like no more then 10-11 years old? When I say middle of nowhere I mean it. We didn't get buses. We had a FARM and like 3-4 other houses then just miles of country.

This was some of the views [HOUSE WAS EMPTY DURING THESE IMAGES/HAS NO SIGNS OF WHERE ITS LOCATED, I THINK ACODRING TO THE HOUSE SELLING SITE THERE IS STILL NO ONE THERE ATM]

So, the house was always cold anyway because it's made of thick bricks and no real instalation or at least when we lived there. It had 2 liveable floors and then an atic.

The atic scared my mother so she never went there and there was a wasps nest up in the top and my step dad was deadly alergric to bees/wasps.

Him and my uncle went up like ONCE ever to check it out and make sure everything was okay, later the wasps were sorted out but anyway. The windows were brand new, double glazing and heavy because England needs double glazing for the weather. So the windows, brand new, heavy, plastic and thick. Not orginal creaky ass windows. Now, no one goes into the attack but sometimes late at night when we drove back home the window would be open. My step dad would run up and close it but wouldn't hang around there, so I dont class that as 'going into the atttic' it was just to fix the window, I remember mood feeding on them both about anxiety for it.

Some backstory about my family. My mother and step father were NO MESS people. Don't believe in ghosts, luck, aliens, God. Nothing. And I didn't know about ghosts.

Everynight I heard scarping in the attic and was told it was rats [Yes we did have rats but now as a rat owner, no way was that rats] and the floors creaking downstairs at night.

Old house, old houses move and shift, thats fine.

I had my own room [it was a 3 bedroom] and I remember everynight laying there in bed as a young kid and I always thought it was my step dad peering around the corner to watch me, make sure I'd settled down to bed. He was always just a black shape but my room was dark save for a little nightlight and a hall light on so I didn't think it was creepy. Just thought my step dad didn't trust me to go to bed. This happened the entire like.. 4 years we lived there? [LATER: when talking to my mother as an adult about it I was like 'Why did STEPDAD do that?' mother looks at me confused and tells me 'he never did that'] Now the real kicker for me is something I overheard YEARS after we moved. I'm what 15-16 when I overhead my step dad and uncle talking. They were talking about the house.

Why did we leave? it was so cheap for something that big. My step dad with no humour in his voice. 'We had to go, she got too close' 'Everynight she was there, it started at the bottom but every night she got closer and closer and closer, she was right outside the window, we had to leave'

From a mad who wasn't phased by anything that was hard to listen to.

the circle shows where she started and made her way up to the kitchen window. I don't know what she looked like, he only ever said 'all white'

[themetalvirus]

shadow when he's upset making droning sounds like a wasp nest. black arms dna and all that. hes part alien so we can just do whatever we want and be like its bc hes an alien dont worry about it 👍