#dont have to associate with syscourse

[shxwrunner]

trying to find xenogender stuff bc it makes me happy and finding myriads of opinions on syscourse along the way is frustrating

[secretsideblogshhhh]

I love accounts that are like "plural culture is" or "cluste b culture is" "npd culture is" etc etc, but I can so rarely find accounts like that that aren't pro-endo, pro-tulpa, things like these.

If anyone has any blogs that have similar premises or anything like that it would be awesome if you could recommend them to us.

[sophieinwonderland]

I think one of the biggest problems with syscourse is that people see stances for the people with these stances, and not for the stances themselves

"I'm not pro endo because I dont like the pro endo community." okay. you dont like the PEOPLE you associate with the stance. but what about the stance ITSELF?

people suck in all kinds of way in all sides. it just doesnt make much sense to me for one to have the views one has but also say they dont (in a possibly inflamatory way towards the people one theoretically supports)

What's worse is that it's often not even the majority, but a small handful of people they don't like. No group is a monolith and no group is perfect. But the labels are about the ideology, not the people.

I feel like it comes down to liberal purity culture, where a group is expected to be perfect and flawless in order to be worthy of support.

The people who don't want to call themselves pro-endo because not every pro-endo reaches their perfect ideal come off as cowardly to me.

It also feels a little reminiscent of the liberals who didn't vote for Vice President Harris because they didn't agree with 100% of her and Biden's policies, and let a fascist seize power instead. Or the Bernie voters who didn't vote for Hillary in Trump's first term because some Hillary supporters said mean things about them.

[fagsystem]

literally can't fucking stand anti-endos. no i also don't find anything in common with plurals who don't have cdds, but actually i don't really care what someone thinks their origin is if they have did/osdd

YES it is misinformation that it can form without trauma. YES misinformation is harmful! dyou wanna know who it harms? THE PEOPLE WHO THINK THEY HAVE CDDS WITHOUT TRAUMA

but the thing is, its just so fucking cruel to act like someone's existence and how they talk about it is an attack on the CDD community. i actually think that its far more fucking harmful for you to drive out CDD systems for self iding as endo than for them to self id as endo

'but if theyre endo they dont have a cdd' WRONG. you are focused on the WRONG THING. most people who are endogenic cdd systems ive seen are fully fucking diagnosed

endo cdd systems do exist because they fucking do. because there's cdd systems out there who call themselves endogenic. and thats their business!

the facts that these people are worthy of respect and community with fellow cdd systems and that you cant have a cdd without trauma coexist.

i think it'd be a lot better for everyone if instead, say, having a 'traumagenics only' (as in, cdd systems who id as traumageic, bc traumagenic doesnt actually mean cdd) discord server, youd have a discord server that is for pwCDDs and it is openly stated that the opinion of the server is that cdds are inherently traumagenic. rules that saying otherwise is misinformation and discussion of that is not allowed there.

it wouldnt actually change much of anything other than itd fucking help the people who are harmed by the misinfo that cdds can happen without trauma. bc guess what? all youre doing is driving them into the spaces with the misinformation. YOU are making the problem worse

if an endo cdd system sees that and goes 'i dont think i have trauma, but i do have a cdd and want community with others with the same disorder' then THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED IT.

BECAUSE GUESS WHAT

THEIR FUCKING DISORDER DOESNT GO ANYWHERE IF THEY CALL THEMSELVES ENDO

I COULD WAKE UP TOMORROW AND GO 'ACTUALLY I DONT THINK I HAVE TRAUMA' OR EVEN 'I THINK MY PLURALITY PREDATES MY DID SO THEREFORE IM AN ENDO SYSTEM' AND IT WOULDNT CHANGE SHIT ABOUT MY FUCKING DID

you're just creating the worst most hostile community where either people need to be fortunate enough to be educated on the topic already OR they are exiled from all cdd specific spaces ever

JUST FUCKIGN

I HATE HOW YOU MFS TALK ABOUT SYSCOURSE

I JUST WANT TO INTERACT WITH THE CDD COMMUNITY. BECAUSE I HAVE THAT. I DONT RELATE TO THE WIDER PLURAL COMMUNITY. BUT ISTG THERES NO FUCKING CDD SPECIFIC SPACES WITHOUT IT BEING A SYSCOURSE THING. FOR PEOPLE WHO HATE THE IDEA OF ASSOCIATING ENDOS WITH CDDS YOU SURE DO BUILD YOUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY BUILT AROUND CONVERSATIONS RELATED TO THEM

[afuckingsystemsthoughts]

ive been paying alot of attention to syscourse (both sides- anti endo and pro endo) and i came to a dark realization.

ive seen anti endo systems, just to prove they have a diagnosis, pull out proof of diagnosis as a superior card over endogenic systems and self diagnosed systems. and then it can easily be faked using microsoft excel. so whos to say the people who have the audacity to post their proof of diagnosis are really diagnosed? they couldve asked for someone elses valid diagnostic proof, you never know. this is the toxic anti endo community we're talking about.

ive seen pro endos and actual endos peacefully protest to misinformation on disordered systems, which you think the disordered systems would be thankful for. but instead the sysmeds cant accept an act of kindness from someone they see as inherently pathetic and attack them for appropriating or stealing disordered terms.

ive seen fakers who admitted it, and they were so fixated on "DID without the disordered part"- basically alters, switching and no distress associated with it. and anti endos latched onto this, they thought this was what being endogenic was about. when faking DID and endogenic plurality are two different things. endogenics are sometimes born with their headmates so its not a choice like faking would be, and hosts who create their systems consciously (willogenic/thoughtform/tulpa) dont do it to fake DID and its just as common as born plurals. theres many reasons for someone being plural that vary by the plural. one endogenic might be plural because of autism while another is plural because they made an oc and it turned into a headmate from being acted out enough (although unintentionally.) for example.

ive seen toxic people on both sides of syscourse. ive had personal experience with some of these anti endos- back when we were first diagnosed with DID, wed spend time in r/DID and got the wrong idea about what we were supposed to be like, not knowing theres no set way any DID system is supposed to be. they are the support group version of systemscringe. its because of this sub i struggled with validity in our first summer we were aware of our systemhood. it took me months to learn greyout amnesia was more common in DID systems and so was being unaware of switching (probably because switching and blackouts are the sensationalized part of DID.)

the point is being a system in the age of syscourse is tiring, especially a DID system. its confusing, painful and makes you feel things you wish you didnt. DID is already an instance in my daily life, whether it be because of dissociation, the occasional switch with amnesia, memory problems, denial, or therapy. DID is alot to manage especially with over 100 alters, most of them either innernauts or dormant. between journaling who co fronted with who, what dissociation if any we experienced today, and trying to keep up communication just to fight off impostor syndrome even when dissociative barriers are high, having DID is a full time job and we should be paid by now. add the stress of your own community being marginalized against each other in the mix.

and now for the realization?

i wish i didnt have DID because theres a toxic community for it, so much misinformation about it and fakers. its already exhausting to have but add syscourse onto it and suddenly it becomes overwhelming. like i just want to exist in peace with my system and build a drama free support group and its impossible.

[didwho]

Hello! You mentioned looking for more info about labels and stuff, so, if you're interested, here are a few things we've personally learned from several years as a "Origins Are Weird And Confusing" system who has been in therapy for A While at this point, in case they're useful to you: - you deserve whatever support you need, regardless of origin or dx or anything else. Therapy, friends who listen to you and support you, academic or workplace accommodations, the right to be unhappy and having a shitty time--you don't have to prove anything to be allowed to want/have those things. - trauma is a subjective experience about how your brain processed something difficult--not about whether the events were 'objectively bad enough to count', because there is no externally defined threshold. (There are certain types of negative experiences that are statistically very likely to be traumatic to the average person, but that absolutely does not mean that only those types of experiences "count".) - if you are experiencing lasting negative impacts from something that happened to you, 1) there is nothing you need to prove in order to be 'allowed' to get support for it; 2) anyone telling you that it wasn't bad enough to affect you is wrong. (This is true even in contexts completely unrelated to syscourse, btw!) - DID in specific is predominantly associated with chronic trauma/adverse experiences during childhood. However, if you have struggles with mental health issues and feel like a system, your options are not just either "100% Definitely DID" or "You're Making It All Up". Whether the label that happens to fit you and your experiences best is DID or any other label (OSDD, MaDD, PTSD + system, "stuff is shitty rn" + system, "who even knows", etc.) is between yourselves and the people on your support team--it's not the business of internet discourse randos trying to tell you whether or not you're valid. (Besides, figuring out what labels fit you best often isn't actually easy or obvious right away, for any number of reasons--including the fact that sketchy and/or 'muted' memories of awful experiences is a big part of many CDDs--and that's okay. Really. You get to figure stuff out at your own pace.) - you are allowed to use/benefit from CDD management strategies and ways of thinking whether or not you have one. (People without ADHD can use bullet journals. DBT isn't just for people with BPD. Etc. If it helps you, the important part is that it helps you.) - don't let the haters get you down. (There are folks out there in syscourse with complex and nuanced opinions, legitimate critiques of communities, etc.! And also, there are sometimes people who just want to be 'allowed' to feel hateful towards someone, aren't in good faith, and aren't interested in listening. What those people think of you or say about you Does. Not. Matter. They are howling at the moon.)

Good luck out there <3

thank you so so so so so much for the kind words!! i preach all of the same things yet sometimes its hard to believe it for yourself, so i genuinely really appreciate the reassurance.

i am looking for a label as of currently because i dont really know whats what, yknow?? its hard for someone like me because despite preaching all of those things, i struggle to understand what defines trauma!

a lot of my headmates tend to agree we do have trauma, but those who dont tend to feel very strongly about not, so it kinda pushes that positivity away!

it really sucks to be both your own supporter and your own enemy at the same time (not calling my headmates enemies its just the best way i can describe it)!

the vents i post are usually when im feeling fired up or upset over things, and again, for that post/ rant i had earlier i spread misinfo, which i feel HORRIBLE about, but i will keep the post up because someone else made a point on it and had the patience to help educate me!

i am still learning and alla that, its hard to navigate this community because theres so many terms, and due to general amnesia, whether it be the fact im a system or due to my ADHD, its hard to get a grasp on all of those!

anyways, sorry for the ramble and thank you so much for the kind words! i hope you have an amazing day ❤️

[hardyboyzsys]

new intro or wtv i accidentally posted the last one

so heres the new intro, fresh, and NOT messy.

old intro

COLLECTIVE INFO

SYS NAME: SHOOTING STARZ SYSTEM

ORGIN: NONE OF YO DAMN BUSINESS

COLL. NAME: ASTRAH/SHAWN

BODY AGE: MINOR (BDAY: 10/08)

GENDERS: GIRLBOY/BIGENDER, SOLOGENDER, CRAZYMUSICGENDER

SEXUALITY: BISEXUAL/BIROMANTIC

PRONOUNS: SHE/HER/HE/HIM/THEY/THEM/CAT/CATSELVES/SOLO/SOLOSELVES/STAR/STARSELVES

CURRENT HEADCOUNT: 68-146

MORE ABOUT US

we have a lot of intrests and are in a lot of fandoms. a few interests include:

-art

-music

-theatre

-dance

-science

-manga & anime (jjba, hxh, mha to name some)

-italian food specifically

-therianthropy

-fursuits

-plurality (obviously)

-wrestling

fandoms & ppl we like

-barbz (nicki ❤️❤️)

-beyhive (BEYONCEE)

-coryxkenshin (samurai)

-ayesha

-fredo on tv

-tsv (twosetviolin)

-berleezy (eezygang)

-dashiexp

-furry fandom

theres too many to list u guys smh

BYF/BYI

we are anti rq/transx, so PLEASE DNI IF YOU ARE A RADQUEER. obviously we dont want anti endos/sysmeds to interact, same goes for basic dni, you get it. also we will absolutely start being rude if the situation calls for it, and possibly offensive, so js dont be an asshole, and you can stay here!!

this blog is for

-any system

-ex-anti endos

-any open-minded singlet

-recovering paras

-ex radqueers

-and a whole lotta other ppl trust me

DISCLAIMER: WE DO NOT BLOCK PEOPLE.

LINKS & SOCIALS

syscourse blog

alterpack blog

pluralkit

discord: astrahhxrdy (NOTE: our disc changes frequently)

simply plural: praytothestarz

tiktok 1 (anime)

tiktok 2 (the most iconic systok acc you'll ever see, though not that active anymore)

reddit

spacehey

pronouns page

PLURALITY RESOURCES

the plural association

overall endogenic plurality resources

system safety

endogenic: pluralpedia

nontraumagenic orgins: a primer for your education

USERBOXES + blinkies!!

[acoolkid]

i block on sight / im very comfortable blocking whoever i want . i also have a lot of tags filtered / blocked so that if op tagged it with something unsavory i dont reblog it

i doubt many of these topics will come up because we wont be looking at / seeking out serious posts on here , but we dont want interaction from bigots ( lgbtphobes , abelists , racists , etc ) , zionists / people who dont support palestine ( you cant be "neutral" about genocide ) , antisemites , or cop lovers / boot lickers

"proshippers" / "anti-antis" should also stay a million miles away from us

a more relevant section of my dni : we do not want interaction from anyone into ageplay / abdl / cgl(re) , or non systems who use the terms or tags "littespace" / "sfw littlespace" . we do not want interaction from any of the above communities , nor do we want interaction from anyone who associates with / allows interaction from those above . those of us who arent littles but who do voluntarily age regress as a coping method are not tied to any age regression community

i do not and will not engage in ~syscourse~ but , while not hostile towards them , we do not recognize endogenic "systems" as actually being systems . systems are born from the brain splitting due to trauma . you cannot be a system without trauma . if you claim to be an endogenic system , at best you are mistakenly attributing other mental health symptoms to being a system , and at worst you are playing pretend because you want to be cool and special on the internet

as a note : i do not support mcdonlads as a company and havent eaten there in over a year , but mcdonalds is still nostalgic for me so some posts may feature their food / toys / logo . from the river to the sea palestine will be free 🍉🍉🍉🍉🍉🍉🍉🍉

okay . this is the page where i say all that stuff , now that its out if the way i wont be talking about it again ✌️

[honking-sys]

Messaging you directly to answer your question to avoid getting attacked™️ but it’s because well, there are technically no “non-traumatized” systems. Only systems who are aware of their trauma, and those who aren’t. DID is a disorder that develops from trauma, so hearing people who aren’t yet ready to face this insist that they have the disorder anyway, feels like an insult to many of us who have acknowledged our trauma. The concept of endo systems is based on the idea that this disorder is “fun” to have. The reality is, if you’re actually a system, you have some sort of trauma. Even if you don’t remember it, but insisting that you dont and you dont need it is very invalidating for people who spent years accepting that it actually was that bad. If no trauma was needed maybe it wasn’t so bad, right? Basically it’s a heap of discourse about the actual, DSM criteria for the disorder, vs people who are in denial and invalidating towards others. So to actually answer your question, it’s controversial for us to want our own space because a lot of these people actually just wanted to “be in on it” and ~be included~ in a disorder because it sounds fun to them

Hi anon! I’m sorry you’re worried about being attacked — no one deserves that.

I understand where you’re coming from. It can be really jarring and upsetting to see people identifying with the same labels as me when they don’t have the same experience of struggle. It can feel like it’s diminishing what I’ve gone through. It can feel like mockery.

However, I think this is a misunderstanding of what an “endogenic system” is. These people aren’t claiming to have DID (unless they are actually diagnosed with it, and all of these endos I know admit to trauma being the cause for the diagnosis). These people are claiming multiplicity without distress. And that’s why it’s fun for them — the trauma is the distress, and they don’t have it.

I will never understand what it’s like to not live with trauma, so my system isn’t fun. It is built to handle trauma. There was never a point where I was having fun with my plurality, because the discovery was itself traumatic.

Maybe some systems are aware of their alters and not the associated trauma, but trauma catches up to you regardless. If a system isn’t acknowledging their trauma, if they are not dysfunctional, then it means they’re not safe to do so. I will never, ever rush that system. They will find out on their own timeline, and my best course of action is to support them, wherever they are in their journey.

But psychology is messy, and I can’t say for certain people can’t be multiple for other reasons. The DSM always acknowledges the possibility of cultural influence and a lack of distress. If there are some people who are plural for religious reasons, or who don’t experience distress, that doesn’t invalidate my disorder. It just means they don’t have my disorder. We still have some similarities, but there are differences as well to acknowledge.

I think people get scared that exclusive spaces will become exclusive to one worldview. This could keep out plurals with trauma and who need trauma resources, but who do not identify with the right labels or ideology. People get caught on “endo,” but I don’t think origin labels matter as much as the experience of trauma. Healing is for everyone, no matter how they describe their existence.

The politics of syscourse are really not helping anyone. I think our communities should be focused on what we share, not what differs. And the things that differ, like experience of trauma, should have their own separate spaces, where trauma is the focus, not the status of one’s diagnosis or their personal belief on why they are the way they are.

[x-other-souled-x]

Syscourse on this website is so fucking stupid but I can't look away, its entertaining as much as it is frustrating.

Yall are so fucking stupid, anyone can talk shit about anyone, anyone can say whatever they want, talk shit get hit, whatever.

Its not a "boundary" for others to talk freely, if you don't want to associate with people then dont. Block them. Move on. Stop flinging hatred to others.

And anyway someone blocking you isn't you winning an argument.

If you get blocked its more likely it's because you're annoying or a pest or keep saying the same shit over and over and expecting people yo just give up and say "you were right all along, I renounce my personal expereinces to you, oh wise tumblr user who is an expert on everything life has to offer! Woe was I to ever beleive I could possibly have an opinion or life expereince different from anyone else, I had forgotten we all must suffer in exactly the same ways!"

Yall REFUSE to take your safety and health into your OWN HANDS and use the fucking block button and live comfortably in your little circle jerk bubbles and then COMPLAIN about it. Shut the fuck up whiney little kids.

One day when you grow up you're gonna realize none of this fucking matters. You'll get the care you need if you fight for it and it's not fucking endos online or even genuine fakers using up ""resources"" (guys fakers don't go to the doctor, duh, no I'm not arguing that bc even if they do they don't last long OR if they do then they have something ELSE seriously wrong they need treatment for, ppl don't just pay thousands of dollars for FUNSIES omg.)

It's not them, its the prohibitive nature of healthcare systems around the world who don't give a shit about you as far as your wallet goes.

Why don't you focus your fight on the actual target, the ableist and restrictive nature of much of healthcare around the world. What ever happened to mad pride? Why are yall fighting your siblings like this? It's stupid.

Here I'll help you out, go from here, learn a little.

Go outside make friends who aren't entrenched in online discourse and life your fucking life. Touch grass. Choose better battles and stop wasting your time making your PEERS lives miserable for no other reason than you need to feel good about yourself.

We can help each other if we dont just keep tearing each other down for no reason.

No instead yall just bitch and complain and whine and ATTACK OTHERS over stupid shit like wether or not someone can use an anime character's name if they introjected said anime character. Or the mere existence of people different than you. Fucking inane behaviour. Get a better hobby for fucking real.

I stick my head in from time to time because I think it's funny to see a bunch of kids whine about things that they can step away from at any moment. Except it makes me sad to see yall waste your time making dedicated syscourse blogs and other dumb bullshit youre wasting your time on. You're not changing minds, you're fighting for grains of rice on the dirt floor.

And yes actually you CAN step away from the internet at any moment and do something else with your life. Even if you're chronically bedridden, read a book, write a story, draw a picture, watch some movies, play with dolls, whatever, just take a fucking break.

I'm turning off reblogs and blocking anyone who screenshots this to argue**. Seriously, get a better hobby. Live your damn life. The opinion of a STRANGER ONLINE shouldn't make you shake and get so heated that you can't think of anything else. L

You WOULD feed the trolls and you do.

(**with one exception, if you want to agrue about the prohibitive costs of health care and provide resources that dont cost thousands, because it would actually help people)

[syscourseofcourse]

i dont have the energy to respond to this in full, but here's the thing. plural communities use our words (multiplicity, system, alter, introject, etc) and try to shoehorn themselves into our spaces, and to outsiders, they cant tell the difference between the two, and it has made people stop taking DID/OSDD seriously (not trying to imply plurality isnt a real or serious thing, i dont know what endos experience, and thats never been my issue)

with plurality and DID/OSDD so, So conflated with each other it is causing Genuine Harm to people who Have a Disorder, when endos and the plural community stop using the words that were made for a community of individuals with a disorder, THEN i wont care what they do with their identity. but endos are Literally sensationalizing a disorder because before adding all these labels and stuff onto themselves they stole terms from a fucking Disorder and decided that was okay, actually we're ableist for being upset at what it's done to us

hmmm it pisses me off that endos see multiplicity as like,, an identity. like all of the different labels and pride flags and whathaveyou for all of the different "types of systems" are comparable to the many labels for genders or sexualities (which are all valid! thats not the point of this post)

DID/OSDD arent identities theyre disorders. like yes obviously they have a lot to do with your identity but they are not the same as identities for gender or sexual/romantic attraction and its. super fucking gross to treat them as such

like. we just saw a new term that someone made meaning like "mixed origin but the origins of specific alters are not specified" like. thats. just a system? all alters have different origins, and not all have to be from trauma after the initial split thats the point?

it just really bothers us that it's so pressured to know the origin of your alters/system in endo spaces like. lots of times you Shouldnt Know because that's what the disorder is trying to protect you from. and pushing people to dig into that to figure out their "identity" is almost definitely causing harm to people

[eridanromantic]

hey guys. so i might as well come clean on main about some of my.. mental health i guess.

i'm a traumagenic system of 20.

why am i talking about this right now? well, i wanted to tell you guys the story of how our traumaholder, soll, came to be.

it was drama. heavy, heavy drama.

i don't want to get into the logistics of such drama, but he... doesn't like to be associated with it. which, fair, i get it.

hell, as of right now, making this post, its not even "casey". im a dave fictive typing this, hah.

soll is one of the coolest members of our system (and also a palewhore but we dont need to get into that) and hes super cool. you guys have all probably talked to him before anyways so theres not a need for introductions or anything.

if youre wondering why weve had such... strong syscourse opinions, thats why.

**if you call us an endogenic system in the notes/reblogs you will be blocked, we have severe trauma and the fact that you want to negate us shows your morality scale.**

[my-brain-is-hatching]

endogenic plural here. not very open about our experiences anywhere since it doesn't really concern other people, pretty much everything that contributes to us identifying as such is of our internal, subjective experience. but when the subject does come up, that's how we would refer to ourselves.

you posted a question about why endogenics would feel so strongly about not being formed by trauma. our main blog has nothing to do with plurality and doesnt even mention that theres more than one of us, so it felt more fitting to send an ask about it. you don't need to publish this, or respond or anything. but we still wanted to send in a genuine answer to the question.

the reason we specifically always include the "endogenic" (not formed by trauma) is to differentiate our experiences from anyone who does have a dissociative disorder as the basis of their system. it's there to show that we dont have the right to speak for those people and have a very different experience overall. what we have is not at all like DID and ideally we should not be associated.

and then in the middle of writing this i did have this breakthrough. perhaps what it happening to me and the rest of my crew could come from trauma. i have no way to know for sure since we have had trauma in our childhood. i'd like to think that it's not that, since our experiences don't really line up with DIDOSDD. we remember our trauma and don't feel detached from it for starters. we don't really have any of the characteristics that would protect us in any reasonable way. so if it turned out that it was still a result of that, i would mostly be confused? and not everyone here shares this sentiment either. i know at least one of us feels very strongly against the idea of being a result of trauma and as far as i understand it, this is something we will have to work through.

the biggest deal here still is that we want to differentiate our experiences from people with DIDOSDD since what we have very clearly do not line up and we believe that pretending they did would only serve to harm both ourselves and your community.

but while we absolutely do not want to talk over people who suffer from these disorders, we still have lived like this for a long time (8 years since we first actually noticed it, presumably it's been going on for even longer than that) and it feels unfair to say that it's just "nothing" or "imaginary". we can't really stop being plural, we have tried multiple times and it doesn't work. i am too much of a person to just disappear because someone else said they don't want me around anymore, and as far as i can tell, it's the same for the others too. i can pretend that there's no one else here but at some point i will no longer be here and at that point it's very difficult to pretend anything (also known as impossible). and like, with how spread out our time in control is, it would be kind of difficult to even tell who would be the "real" one if the rest of us were "fake".

when you take this into account, you can maybe kind of tell why we would prefer to have some word for our experiences when we do talk about them. 'endogenic' fits that, and we have found out that we do share a lot in common with other people who use that term when it comes to experiences. that being said, our exposure in the endogenic community has been carefully curated and limited to spaces that align with us, that don't want to enroach on the spaces of those who do have those disorders, and we are aware that there are also many people who would not share these views. we just have not had the displeasure to encounter anyone like that yet, aside from the syscourse tag which is where we found this blog.

-the gp crew (sunny)

I actually really respect that, what pisses me off is when people act like it's "DID but only the fun bits." I hope you figure yourself out and make peace with it, hope you have a nice day!

[sophieinwonderland]

the trend of former pro endos switching to calling themselves endo neutral pisses me off. like you obviously know we exist otherwise you wouldnt have been pro endo in the first place. but youre just calling yourself endo neutral now because youre scared to be associated with the "bad" pro endos. but why the hell arent you standing your ground, standing with your label, your community, and showing people not all pro endos are "bad"? instead you back out of the crossfire out of cowardice. if youre that scared of conflict, do not get into discourse! conflict is like 90% of discourse?! what are you gonna do when an endo neutral scandal happens and THAT label is "tainted"? will you finally leave syscourse? I would ask if you'd become anti endo, but that side already has a million scandals and problems with it im sure you wouldn't be able to touch with a 10 foot pole

ugh anyways. sorry this is angry and im using your askbox sort of as a confession box since you were talking about it. hope you dont mind more askbox bloat </3

It's no problem. I feel the same.

I'm not really sure how much of a trend it actually is. Even if there are a small handful of examples.

In my opinion though, if all it takes for you to decide to be "neutral" on a marginalized community is a few members doing things you don't like then you never really supported them to begin with.

I'm sorry, you want a community to basically be a monolith that all thinks the exact same way rather than a complex diverse group of people, and if they can't do that then they aren't worthy of your support anymore?

There is no community on Earth that is going to meet your standards. And we shouldn't be expected to.

Here is my theory on at least some of these former pro-endos.

I think that there are at least a few white knights out there who see endogenic systems more as just being a class of "victims" than actual human beings. And if we stray from the path of the perfect victim then it's decided that we no longer deserve help or support.

And it feels like for this group that they are super focused on being on the right side and, more importantly, being seen as being on the right side. That their actual motivations for leaving is just not wanting the association with anyone who could be less than perfect. To put it more bluntly, they are only allies insofar as it benefits their own image.

If your support of endogenic systems is conditional, and something that you plan on revoking the moment that you realize that they are actual people, I would rather not have it at all.

[storms-and-illness]

quick rant..

sysmeds DNI with this post

TL;DR: I wish people would stop fakeclaiming other systems. all systems are valid.

(TW, topic of faking, mentions of syscourse) Okay, so...

it kinda makes me sad to see stuff like “endogenic systems dni”.. not because we’re endogenic (we’re traumagenic), but because who are we to judge other systems? there are some fakers out there, which is the saddest thing about this whole situation, but i wish people wouldn’t go around fakeclaiming systems just because they formed in a different way than others.

imagine if you brushed your teeth with a different toothbrush than someone else, and that someone told you that because you didnt use the same toothbrush, then you didnt brush your teeth right- thats kind of the same principle.

and i know that people will go and say stuff like “well theres no cold hard evidence” but the very idea of this cold hard evidence is illogical. there are so many different types of systems and every system is different so its next to impossible to really track the exact basis of dissociation.

“oh well you need trauma to have DID/OSDD” okay? there are such things as non-disordered systems. just cuz someone’s system didnt form f r o m trauma doesnt necessarily mean the system doesnt h a v e trauma, either.

and yeah, people fake this stuff. thats the worst part about living in this society- people will romanticize legitimate struggles to try and be relatable, edgy, whatever. but thats like saying “well, my girlfriend cheated on me, so all girls are cheaters”. its the same mindset. just because some people fake it doesnt mean everyone is faking it.

personally i have more respect for endos that avoid traumagenic terms than traumagenic systems who are anti-endo. the fact that so many endogenic systems have the good decency to separate themselves and the terms they use from traumagenic systems and recognize the struggles that traumagenic systems had to go through is refreshing- there is some hope in the world!

I wish that people would open their mind to the things they dont understand. Anti-endo traumagenic systems- i feel your pain. i know what you’re thinking and i understand your mindset. instead of fakeclaiming endos, try and understand. be grateful that some endogenic systems don’t use terms associated with traumagenic systems. 

thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

[buzz-lightyear-radical-centrist]

looking at syscourse, just wanted to say

I don't think any endos are, by any means, claiming to have DID/OSDD. It is not about whether you need trauma to have DID/OSDD, it's about if you need DID/OSDD to be a system. And I think system is a really generic word, you shouldn't try to tie that to 2 specific disorders.

It is your right to have a DID/OSDD exclusive space. But, if you're so worried about having your terminology stolen, just use DID/OSDD. (Or maybe even traumagenic!) As a heavily autistic person, I have no problem being referred to as "autistic person", as long as they dont call me an r-slur. (Just gonna repeat, if someone is sending offensive content or saying you're "entitled", you have every right to hate them beyond all reason, just dont associate that with the whole pro-endo community, even if they did it because you're anti-endo.) (I do, in fact, realize, that my analogies of autism with did are flat, because, trauma is traumatic, after all) While i'm on that analogy, someone said that it may prevent people from "getting better". If you actually feel horrible because of it, if you get flashbacks and stuff, then yes, you should probably reach out for help! But if you feel perfectly fine knowing (or choosing blissful ignorance, some people really like that) you have a brain that is different from the majority, that is okay! The only thing that should happen, in that case, is that the person responsible knows what they did wrong. (And possibly goes to jail)

If someone wants to live with their self-assigned coping strategy, and it doesn't harm anyone else, that is their right. Yall's arguing is self assigned. Have you tried blocking the tags yet? Arguing on social medias is really unhealthy, by my standards. Even if for the future generations, just leave it to the people who do want to talk about it.

Reminder that you never have to pick a side, and being "wimpy" isn't the only reason you choose to do that

New reminder: if you are a "pro-endo" who's trying to traumatize people more than they already are because the words on thEiRn pagE DOnt lInE up wIt THE woRd ON yORu page, you deserve every single thing the anti-endos wish upon you. (or just in general, doing bad things in the name of good things, the bad thing usually wins out) I won't say otherwise, no matter if the whole human population gets recreated in my head while im a racist, rich, white guy, raised in that episode of spongebob where he's made to be perfectly normal.

P.S. i don't know if i have trauma or am a system (probably both), but i don't really think that'd change very much and i know for a fact that if i had plurality, it wouldn't be either of those disorders yall keep talking about.