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There is the Toymaker, the god of games. There is Trickster, the god of traps. There is Maestro, the god of music. There is Reprobate, the god of spite. There is the Mara, the god of beasts. And the threefold deity of malice and mischief and misery. There are gods of skin and shame and secrets. There is Incensor the god of disaster, and her children called Doubt and Dread. And standing on high is the mother and father and other of them all. For the god of all gods has returned. And his names are many. His name has been Set, and Seth, and Setekh. And his one true name forever more is... Sutekh.
#doctor who#dw spoilers#doctor who spoilers#the legend of ruby sunday#sutekh#the toymaker#the trickster#the maestro#the mara#doctor who pantheon#the pantheon#taken directly from the D+ subtitles
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. : Correspondences - The Doctor : .
Element: Air
Imagery/Symbolism: Clocks/Time symbolism, Knowledge symbolism, TARDIS symbolism, “Regeneration” Symbolism
Crystals: Sodalite, Sunstone, Howlite, Celestite
Colours: Orange, Brown, Blue
Tarot card: The Magician
Scents: Pine, Frankincense, Sandalwood
Numerology: 3, 4, 7
Herbs: Cinnamon, Mint, Orange, Chamomile.
Offerings: Books, Food (especially bananas), Globes/Solar system models, Clocks
Devotional acts: Learn about astronomy, Learn about history, Acts of healing, Acts of kindness to yourself and others
. : MORE WILL BE ADDED! : .
#pop culture paganism#pop culture witchcraft#pop culture magic#pop culture spirit work#whovian witch#witchblr#doctor who pantheon#pop culture correspondences
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i'm dying over that reveal. truly. truly. because on paper, the concept that ruby's mother was just an ordinary person and what made her so special was this belief everyone had feeding into her own mythology, creating something larger than life, is actually pretty cool. and, yeah, from wild blue yonder we know the doctor absolutely handed the power of suggestion over to an unknown entity that made it something tangible.. so it works.
sort of
but like. that 15 year old girl decided to drop her baby off at a church in the middle of the night in the most ostentatious, medieval looking cloak and then proceed to point mencingly at the road sign on the off chance the security camera would pick her up and that would somehow give someone the idea to name her daughter after said road sign??
i'm just saying... if that's the way you handle giving your baby up for adoption then there is absolutely nothing ordinary about you
#doctor who#dw spoilers#ruby sunday#louise miller#empire of death#i'm a bit ehhhh at that whole ending tbh#i thought we'd be getting a bit more mythology#i mean even sutekh wasn't proper mythology he was an osiron not a GOD god y'know#like he got more powerful from the TARDIS but he wasn't a myth come to life#not EXACTLY#more like a theatre kid given the power of death#it would have been cooler if we'd stuck to the pantheon stuff but i'm guessing we'll be getting more of that next season#and also. i'm STILL hoping for susan goddamnit
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When the Time Lords kept their eye on everything, you could hop between realities, home in time for tea. Then they died, took it all with them. The walls of reality closed, the worlds were sealed. Everything became that bit less kind.
#dwedit#doctor who#the sarah jane adventures#usertennant#userteri#miatendos#userdiana#usertoph#usertreena#tenth doctor#thirteenth doctor#rakaya#the master#dhawan!master#tecteun#fourteenth doctor#fifteenth doctor#maestro#*#multiverses... alien species perceived as gods.... we immortals need our games..... i just think it's interesting!!!!!#and 14 was absolutely referring to the pantheon of discord when he called the toymaker's legion a pantheon. like that was NOT a coincidence
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The Pantheon of Discord | Doctor Who, The Legend of Ruby Sunday
#Ragnarok and Zelin/Rakaya specifically are ideas I've seen others point out! and imo they fit really well!#Zelin/Rakaya are supposedly(?) lovers but in the actual episode I don't think its ever clarified. So we stay silly. Could be weird siblings#but ah lads it is *checks clock* 8.30am. So I am going to bed. But i shall leave ya'll with this#dw spoilers#the pantheon of discord#doctor who#dw#The toymaker#the maestro#the trickster#sarah jane adventures#the gods of ragnarok#the mara#sutekh#the legend of ruby sunday#rtd2.0#season 14#series 14#gif#gif set#gif making#dw gif#doctor who gif#dw lore#dr who#rakaya#doctor who spoilers#zellin#classic who#dw speculation
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adding onto this: the titles of the Pantheon seem to correspond closely with what they embody and how they embody it
the maestro embodies music but also wants to own and control all of, it, hence the "maestro" rather than the bard or the composer or the musician or whatever
the toymaker embodies games but is specifically fascinated by their origins (and also takes people to be part of his toyroom, hence 'making toys', in the EU at least)
if "the doctor" refers to an entity that embodies healing/fixing, their name specifically being "doctor" rather than "healer" or "carpenter" highlights an emphasis on healing/fixing people, not just healing life or healing nature or fixing objects. in fact "healing" may be too specific, it could just be "making people better"
There's also multiple ways of reading the title of "Doctor Who" in this theory! (Warning: crack theorizing incoming)
If you take the Kingmaker's explanation (the name coming from "The Doctor, Who..." e.g. "The Doctor, Who Did The Thing That One Time") then it's a title that conveys they are someone who takes personal action (as opposed to the other members of the Pantheon who are constrained by certain rules)
You could also take the "who" to mean "whoever", so "Doctor Who" means "A doctor for whoever", a doctor for anyone and everyone.
But, the one that might hold the most water is that the "Who" could represent how they can become different people through regeneration- "Doctor Who", because you never know who you're going to get. Oh, and what was the defining and mysterious trait of the Timeless Child...? Their ability to regenerate.
That's right, their title "The Doctor" just means they make people better, but their secret true title "Doctor Who" is what sets them apart from the rest of the Pantheon and universalizes them, both in-universe and out-of-universe. (It also removes the genuine article, which means that anyone could be Doctor Who; maybe even you!)
so i know this is probably all ramping up to the doctor being part of the pantheon/from outside the universe, with their function being to fix and heal (“doctor”)- but they also said “where i come from, everyone goes by titles” which…. not true! gallifreyan renegades & exiles went by titles, with some complicated exceptions (like drax, valeyard) -but i think it’s funny that all of these powerful mysterious new beings are going by work-related titles and the doctor isn’t the least bit suspicious like…. girl i know you can hear the non-diegetic music but can you see the foreshadowing
#doctor who#doctor who theory#doctor who pantheon#dw spoilers#doctor who spoilers#the doctor#the timeless child#dw s14#doctor who series 14#doctor who season 1 2024#rtd2#rtd2 era#doctor who speculation#doctor who analysis#doctor who overanalysis
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In reference to the theory I’ve seen going around that Ruby is secretly part of The Pantheon
The Toymaker= the living personification of games
The Maestro= the living personification of music
Both of them have the ability to warp reality specifically they often warp it to fit the rules of their respective concepts. The Toymaker makes the world run on the rules of a game, The Maestro makes the world run like a musical. And reality continues to warp around Ruby BUT it does so in very specific ways…
The space station adheres to the rules of a children’s story, the rules of time travel change to incorporate the butterfly effect based on stories she knows and coincidences or connections continue to pop up around her and the plot of a story is often built on connections, often coincidences that turn out to be anything but. So…
Ruby Sunday= the living personification of stories
What do we think, tumblr?
#also there’s a pattern forming here#they’re all goods of childish things#???#who would create a pantheon of childish things#very interested to see where they came from#doctor who#dr who#dw#dw spoilers#dw theory#dw headcanon#whovian#ruby sunday#the toymaker#the maestro#the pantheon
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I haven't been interested in how the pantheon of gods in recent Dr Who have been done, but I do like that Sutekh explicitly kept his Osirian origin story, and he became the god of death due to all his vortex exposure/tardis-jacking/whatever. Which means the Pantheon of Discord (to use the Trickster's name for it) isn't intrinsic forces of the universe, they're powerful entities who have gained some form of connection. I think the Pantheon of Discord is just some powerful aliens' discord server.
#dw spoilers#doctor who#my posts#sutekh#the finale does raise the question of how exactly Sutekh is the king and father etc of a pantheon and the most fear amongst the gods#when he's spent his entire godhood clinging to a moving box#But as far as logical questions go the movements and politics of gods is the least of this story arc's worries jsdkljf
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ive been drawing the pantheon in the style of tove jansson and ive come to a realisation about that
#doctor who#fifteenth doctor#the pantheon#the trickster#darth sidious lookin ass#sutekh#the mara#the maestro#harbinger#henry arbinger#the celestial toymaker#moomins#my art
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new theory: susan twist is obviously having more prominent roles every time she shows up but my friend pointed out she also seems to get slightly more evil every time. from space baby staff saying she disagrees with abandoning the station to the first person to run away terrified of ruby to a very rich figure in a society so privileged they would rather die to uphold their system than take help from the doctor...
#idk what this MEANS#but i think she might be right#maybe she'll show her true colours and be revealed as a pantheon of discord#lina lore#doctor who#dw spoilers#doctor who spoilers#spoilers#susan twist#dot and bubble
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Absolutely living for the fact that The Toymaker FOUND The One Who Waits and merely said “It was someone else’s game”.
When what he meant was:
“Yeaaahhhh so, the literal god of death is treating your ship like a non-stop Uber whilst licking his battle wounds. One day he is going to pop up and absolutely wreck all life, everywhere you have ever been”.
He could not have been more deliberately vague and unhelpful if he tried, and it is 1000000% on-brand Toymaker buffoonery.
#doctor who#whovian#russell t davies#15th doctor#sutekh#the toymaker#lol#pantheon of discord#empire of death#the one who waits#the tardis#dw spoilers
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crack theory number two: Jack Harkness is Ruby Sunday's father. Mother. Whatever. We know he can get pregnant, it's canon, 51st century biology and all. Who's the dad? Eh, fuck it, insert your choice of randos here. The Doctor's her dad and/or stepdad. Rogue's her other stepdad. Rose and River can both be stepmoms by proxy. LOVE WINS.
#jack harkness#captain jack harkness#ruby sunday#listen craving jack harkness#why did rogue exist? so the tv show could show ruby the kind of relationship her dad had with the Doctor#rose tyler#river song#listen screw the who's ruby's mom theories#mine is the one that makes sense#listen i have no hope for rtd's plot twist being satisfying#rogue#doctor who#HERE'S HOW DOCTORJACK CAN STILL WIN#jack harkness x the doctor#doctorjack#here's how she's a member of the pantheon#fixed point ruby why not
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. : Correspondences - The Master : .
Element: Fire
Imagery/Symbolism: Clocks/Time symbolism, Space symbolism, Fire symbolism, ‘Destruction’ symbolism, Death symbolism
Crystals: Bloodstone, Tigers eye, Fire Agate, Carnelian
Colours: Red, Black, Orange
Tarot Card: The Tower, The Devil
Scents: Dragons blood, Spice, Myrrh, Sandalwood
Numerology: 1, 4
Herbs: Pepper, Basil, St John’s wort, Thyme
Offerings: Food (Literally all kinds), Clocks, Sharp objects/Athames, Bones, Pomegranate juice (substitute for blood)
Devotional acts: Asserting your will, Standing up for yourself, Putting yourself first, Studying astronomy, Studying history, Shadow Work
#pop culture paganism#pop culture witchcraft#pop culture magic#pop culture spirit work#whovian witch#pop culture correspondences#doctor who pantheon
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So... d'you think Cherry remembered the absolute batshit stuff Mrs Flood told her before they got dusted or we just sweeping that under the rug?
#doctor who#dw spoilers#cherry sunday#mrs flood#empire of death#so shes a time lord or a member of the pantheon or a literal narrator and this is still a tv show twist those are my theories#also chERRY NEVER GOT HER TEA
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This is a brand new science for me, and I love it. The language of luck. 'Cause what is a coincidence but a form of accident? Two things bumping together unexpectedly. Like you and me.
#dwedit#doctor who#usertennant#userteri#userveronika#miatendos#userdiana#usertreena#ruby sunday#fifteenth doctor#maestro#*#originally this was just going to be ruby + snow and then it devolved from there#memories changing... being brought into the present..... some connection to the ancient one. luck coincidences connections.#the doctor describes the legion as a 'pantheon'; a group of gods. and so far they're all personifications#the toymaker is 'a living game'; maestro is 'the essence of music itself'; henry arbinger = harbinger and acts as prelude to the gods#then 'the one who waits' is perhaps... time? death?#and 'the oldest one'... that could mean a lot of things#my first thought was that the oldest one would be death since the finale is called 'the empire of death'. alternatively: life.#but if you connect it back to ruby: luck coincidences connections. so far that's been her whole thing. so maybe something related to that#then again we're only on ep 2 of 8 so... anyway. idk what any of this means but. thinking thoughts!!!#worth noting: if the snow is a warning it starts snowing in the tardis during the scan. it reveals her genetic id/species/age#but not her nucleotide composition. whatever tf that is. and it only gets to 75% complete before it pans away. but it does finish scanning#and in canon 6+ months pass between the end of ep 1 and the beginning of ep 2 so... presumably the doctor has SEEN those results. fwiw.
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The Doctor, back on his “I’m the Last of the Time Lords. I’m so special. Look at me,” melodrama, sobbing his eyes out while fighting literal gods and saving the world with the power of friendship
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The Master, still stuck in that tooth, making sock puppets of themself and the Doctor, probably. “Don’t you see? You’ve been blind too long, Doctor! Look at what you’ve made! Look at me!”
“Oh Master, I’ve always seen you and I always will…because you…see me.” (Doctor puppet passionately kisses Master puppet)
“You’re too late.” (Master puppet brutally murders Doctor puppet)
#doctor who spoilers#doctor who#Thoschei#I FREAKING LOVED THOSE EPISODES#i have many thoughts#the Master would have wanted to be in that music battle against Maestro so bad#who is the head of the pantheon aka the one who waits?#do Ruby’s mysterious timey wimey powers have anything to do with the Pantheon#how does all this tie into the timeless child#are Doc and Ruby gonna become the new Tenrose or stay ambiguous#why is the Master haunting the narrative#is the timeless child from the same place as the pantheon#the Toymaker would love Eurovision and the Maestro would hate it#they let the Doctor be anti capitalist again : )
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