#do not be bigoted on this post I will block you

[olenoidedserratuspilled]

That's a neat wall of text I guess. Doesn't actually relate to anything I actually said, though. I never said that calling men demons matters in and of itself, neither did I say that men are marginalized for being men.

What I did say is that TERFs like to use man-hating as a rhetorical trojan horse to push their own genuinely bigoted views, and that as such spreading man-hating rhetoric makes it easier for them to do just that. You're not going to read it, and I'm expecting you to block me after this, but I'll explain my point under the cut:

TERFs want you to believe they're defined by hating men, but in reality they are defined by hating women: trans women.

What TERFs want you to believe or not has nothing to do with what I said. What I did say is that the claim that "TERFs love men", cis or otherwise, is absurd to anyone who's actually seen TERF rhetoric in action.

I think a lot of people see TERFs calling trans women men and using their bioessentialist rhetoric about "males" and assume that TERFs hate trans women for the (in their eyes) crime of being men. The problem with that is that it's too rational.

Is it, though? Even if you agree that "All men are bad" is rational, the stance of "Trans women are men" isn't, and TERFs do very much believe trans women are men. That's where their irrationality begins, even if it isn't where it ends.

Bigotry is not logical. TERFs don't aggressively misgender trans women because they think being a man is the worst possible thing to be, they do it because they know how hurtful it is to trans women. The cruelty is the point.

The point is that they believe trans women are men, and they view aggressively misgendering trans women as correcting a slight against themselves personally and/or womankind at large. The cruelty may be the point, but they do very much justify that cruelty to themselves by rationalizing that trans women are both A) men and B) an especially evil, insidious and sexually deviant kind of man.

Despite their rhetoric, TERFs often pal around with cis men.

Cis white wealthy men, yes. I.E. the ones that help them gain political capital. They certainly don't pal around with any cis men that don't provide them with any political gain.

They'll post men are demons, but how often do they harass and threaten cis men the way they do to trans women? Men are powerful and threatening, trans women are a vulnerable minority and (as a class) powerless in society.

Notice how I never said TERFs harass and threaten cis men the way they do to trans women, or that trans women weren't especially targeted by TERFs. Again, what I said is that the notion that TERFs somehow "like" men is absurd, and that TERFs use man-hating to either justify their actual bigotry or make it look more palatable.

You've provided several examples of TERFs being racist and Islamophobic.

Yes, they are also examples of TERFs using man-hating rhetoric to justify why their racism and islamophobia are acceptable. The very thing that I am pointing out is happening.

It has nothing to do with hating men and everything to do with racism.

The specific examples I provided do have somethign to do with hating men because it's being used as a cover for why the racism is justified. The TERFs I showed are very deliberately going "Well I don't hate them because they're black/muslim, I hate them because they're men! (Just ignore the part where I say white men aren't as bad". Why did I provide these screenshots? Two reasons: 1) to show how the statement that TERFs "like" men is nonsense and 2) to showcase how TERFs like to use men-hating to make their actual bigotry look justified.

When you qualify every statement about misogyny with white men, how do you think that feels to women of color who are dealing with misogyny in their own communities? Marginalized men uphold misogyny, because they are men.

Cool, show me where I said you should qualify every statement about misogyny with white men. Show me where I said marginalized men don't uphold misogyny. What I did say is that TERFs have a habit of singling out POC/marginalized men (because again, the man-hating is a cover for their legitimate bigotry) and have no issue with making scathingly bigoted statements as long as they attach the word "men" to it.

The more popular view among progressives these days, however, and particularly on Tumblr, is that hating your oppressor is justified and should not be policed. Except when it comes to men.

In the US and the rest of the anglosphere, maybe. Where I live? The man-hating is very much still part and parcel of it, even if we don't have as much of a TERF problem. I also still see plenty of man-haing on Tumblr, too. None of that is to say that man-hating is an important issue of some sort, merely to say that the popular view among progresssives in my experience is still that man-hating is okay. If your experience is different then good for you I guess.

Talking about trans men the way you talk about cis men is perfectly fine, because they are both men.

Is the "Bomb that kills all Transmascs" post perfectly fine? Are the people receiving anon hate (up to and including rape threats - oh, I'm sorry, "forcefem jokes") perfectly fine? Is harassing transmen and calling them slurs perfectly fine? None of these are hypothetical. They're all actually happening right now as we speak.

Yes, trans men are men, and I am not opposed to the notion that trans men can participate in misogyny. But I'm certain you can understand how believing they're deserving of the same hatred that cis men deserve isn't just wrong, it's dangerous to trans men.

"Talking about men of color the way you talk about white men" is a rhetorical trap."

Yes it is. A rhetorical trap that TERFs use to make their racism look justified. The thing that I said they do and showed evidence of them doing.

If, however, you simply say "men are the devil" and don't specify race, you are "talking about men of color the way you talk about white men" because you are talking about all men the same way and only their gender (and, really, their role in the patriarchy) is relevant.

Except that is'nt what TERFs are doing. That's what they say they are doing, but they are very blatantly and obviously singling men of color out while making excuses for white men. This is what they mean when they say "talking about men of color the way you talk about white men". This is the kind of behavior they use man-hating rhetoric to excuse.

Additionally, it's a mistake to assume all women complaining about men of color are white.

Show me where I said that. Go ahead, show me. What I did say was that women who single out men of color for things that men of every ethnicity do are being racist (because they are), and that statements like "I want to burn muslims (male)", "I don't give a fuck how these ugly brown men are treated in the west" and most bafflingly "white women tears is a term black and brown men came up with to silence white women"(!!!) are racist, because they are.

Trans mascs are dealing with transphobia. There is a serious transphobic backlash in a lot of countries right now and while tumblr may feel like it's in a bubble sometimes, it is affected by the outside world.

Yes it is. There is no shortage of TERFs and garden variety transphobes on Tumblr. There is also no shortage of people who are using man-hating rhetoric to excuse harassing trans men at the moment. That is the phenomenon I am describing.

It's a serious problem and we need to protect our trans community members.

Yes we do. There is however an undercurrent of people who don't believe all of our trans community members deserve protection. They are a vocal minority that are going out of their way to harass trans men and people who wish to protect them.

A lot of transmascs need access to both HRT and contraception and have the potential to need access to abortion. American transmascs are getting hit twice, with anti-trans bigotry and restriction of reproductive freedom both being major projects of the incoming (and in many states established) right wing government.

Yes that's very much happening. Nothing to do with what I'm saying but yeah I do suppose you're right about that.

Women saying "I hate men" on the internet does not threaten trans men's lives the way the right--TERFs included--does.

Show me where I said it does. Go ahead, show me.

What I did say is that there are people using the sentiment of "I hate men" to harass and threaten trans men (if you want me to provide examples, I can, even if I know you aren't reading this), and that as such there are trans men who feel othered within their own community by this kind of sentiment.

Anyway, if you're done putting words in my mouth, I think it might be best if we stop talking here

Something I want this website specifically to reflect on! Are you mad at women for talking about men the same way you talk about cishets or neurotypicals? Why?

[lunarian-anarchist]

"Some 300 Majdal Shams residents protested a visit by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday, shouting that he was exploiting the bloodshed for political gain.

Only 20% of residents in Majdal Shams, part of the Golan Heights annexed by Israel in 1981, have accepted Israeli citizenship. Many still consider themselves citizens of Syria.

“For sure, it was not targeting Majdal Shams. There are many Israeli military bases around the town. I expect this threat was heading their way,” said Nabeeh Abu Saleh, a paramedic from the town who rushed to the scene of the attack on Saturday.

Nothing prepared Abu Saleh, who has 25 years of experience as a paramedic, for what he saw. Some body parts were found 100 yards from the explosion. One of his nephews was killed, another wounded.

The military said Iron Dome sirens have gone off in Majdal Shams 30 times during the conflict. A few months ago, a rocket landed short of the town, Abu Saleh said.

“We buried our children. We don’t want retaliation,” he said. “We have families in Lebanon, in Syria, and we have brothers here in Israel."

*EDIT* Here are the names I know so far;

1. Fajr Laith Abu Saleh, 16 years old

2. Amir Rabie Abu Saleh, 16 years old

3. Hazem Akram Abu Saleh, 15 years old

4. John Wadie Ibrahim, 13 years old

5. Izel Neshat Ayoub, 12 years old

6. Finis Adham Safadi, 11 years old

7. Yazan Naif Abu Saleh, 12 years old

8. Alma Ayman Fakhruddin, 11 years old

9. Naji Taher Halabi, 11 years old

10. Milad Muadad Al-Sha'ar, 10 years old

[vacantgodling]

i am begging fellow transmascs to stop engaging with people who do not give a fuck about us for fucks sake

[rex-shadao]

That person, I remember, I thought was reasonable during the Season 3 of TOH. But then, they became obsessed with Belos hatred and start attacking anyone who dares write a sympathetic Belos fanfic.

I remember this particular quote they said:

Honestly, it just kinda proves to me that people only woobify Belos as much as they do because of white favoritism’s apologism for bigots, like what happened to Billy Hargrove the racist from Stranger Things, or Kylo Ren from Star Wars. Because god forbid Belos no longer be a white dude, that would just take away from the appeal that incentivizes his stans to coddle him! People can’t comprehend that Belos isn’t the main character (He serves Luz and others’ arcs, not the other way around) and that this entitlement was in fact his foundational flaw. It’s a double standard for an abuser’s pain with no regard for Belos’ victims, unless they can prop up his uwufication.

And I pointed out that Kylo Ren and Billy Hargrove were given sympathetic backstories from the writers, which naturally leads to the woobification from fans. You can even see examples of this happening to villainous people of color, particularly with Killmonger whom is portrayed as still a villain that Wankanians hated in spite of his tragic backstory and the fandom's sympathy with him. And that other "white" villains who weren't given sympathetic backstories were proudly declared by the fandom to be pure, unapologetic evil like Emperor Palpatine, Lord Voldemort, Jack Horner, Ozai, and Frollo. The less you know, the more monstrous they appear.

I made it clear that Belos fails this area because his backstory is shown and it's a sad one even if it's not fully covered. And I also made it clear that just because they had nuances doesn't mean they get redemption. Just the realization of damnation.

And then they blocked me when I posted these thoughts. I looked at a glimpse of their posts shortly afterwards and discover they completely misrepresented my thoughts (and many others in the process). Not even a counterargument, which astonishingly like Belos. In fact, a lot of Belos haters act like him: Insisting their arguments are right and everyone else is wrong and therefore must be silenced.

Oh, it didn't take long for me to predict their approach to real life politics because I've seen so many Belos haters turn out to be the exact kind of people that The Wave (1981) warned about:

You thought you were so special, better than everyone outside this room, you traded your freedom for the luxury of feeling superior! You accepted the group's will over your own conviction, no matter who you hurt. Oh! You thought you were just going along for the ride, that you could WALK AWAY at any moment, but where were you heading? How far would you have gone? Take a look at your future! Yes, you would've all made good Nazis, you would've put on the uniforms, turned your heads, and allowed your friends and neighbors to be persecuted and destroyed.

The irony is still not lost on me.

There's this person named sepublic on here

Just straight up yapping about belos And hunter fans are just straight-up racist people for liking them?

"your AU where Hunter is the main protagonist is racist."

People in the real world: Hi, how is your day?

[autism-purgatory]

Girl help people who’ve never written anything are saying it’s bigoted to give queer, disabled, or poc characters flaws and depth and that its just a watsonian excuse for the writer to be bigoted. Yes that CAN exist (like the “she looks 12 but is actually 1000 years old! Bullshit) but to say it’s bigoted for a character to make stupid decisions or be mean with in-universe explanations (not justifications, explanations) in the writing, then you’re just trying to enforce the Hays Code Tumblr 2012 edition.

[naomiknight-17]

Interacted with a blog via one of my side blogs then looked at their DNI and it was several paragraphs like

"If you ship ANYTHING, DNI. If you post NSFW/NSFT in any main tags, DNI. If I think you're problematic in any way DNI"

And they didn't elaborate on the last one

Honey. What does that mean

I'm a big fat loud queer with a history of making NSFW art including stuff some would deem problematic. I don't shy away from politics. How am I supposed to know what you think is problematic? Maybe you're fine with people like me and maybe you're not!?!?

But all you've seen of me is my cat blog so. My cats are not problematic (except when they get into the recycling bin or similar shenanigans) so I guess you're just gonna have to deal with me

[remma-demma]

I’m actually scared of alienating some of my followers and moots with all the trans discourse I’ve been steeping quietly in and contemplating, but… I’m trying to not let being scared shut me up about this. That, in and of itself, is erasure and silencing.

Fuck staying quiet. Trans men and mascs deserve a voice, and we, as a group, are not oppressing or invalidating anyone else by using that voice. (Obviously there are shithead exceptions!! Anyone can be an asshole.)

I really hope that if I ever speak about any of this in the future, that people recognize that it’s not ever, ever trans femininity as a concept I have an issue with. It’s people who

- try to divide the community

- are reinventing gender essentialism from the ground up but make it trans

-police other people’s identities and decide for them what oppression they must face because of a tiny set of superficial traits

- simply. Don’t understand what intersectionality means.

- disregard and invalidate anyone who doesn’t fit a very specific (binary, rich, white, abled, flawlessly passing) idea of what it means to be trans.

None of those things are specific or exclusive to one identity. There just happens to be a community of transfems who are currently espousing many of these ideas as gospel. They are understandably defensive because of real actual transmisogyny they face. But other trans people are not your enemy. Accusing anyone and everyone who tries to point these flaws out as radical transmisogynists is simply not true. Pointing out bigotry is not bigotry in itself.

I don’t want the trans community to constantly be at each other’s throats. We each have to sit down and think if we ever catch ourselves blaming an entire other marginalized group for our issues. That’s just fascism babes.

[sinnettini]

i genuinely don't really block easily but if you follow me and you're a harry potter blog in 2024 you're getting blocked in record time

[pocketramblr]

Concept: a "sorry YOUR follower added that to MY post" cake, for when something breaks containment and you have to go through reblog chains to figure out how the, I dunno, anti-sex-positivity anarchist homeschooling commune found your innocuous and extremely unrelated post and are using it to call each other idiots.

[thewingedwolf]

i hate the way people will say the most out of pocket nonsense about Latinos in the US and then act surprised when people say they’ve got some racism issues. “oh if it weren’t for the fact that people in the USA hate everyone with ancestry from Latin America, lock Latino children in cages even under democratic presidents, and regularly hop on tv to call all Latinos evil rapists and murderers, they’d all be considered white” yeah no SHIT if literally every aspect of how Latinos in the US are racialized was different, they would be racially categorized in a different way, that is a very intelligent thing to say about race relations and doesn’t at all exacerbate issues thanks you are so wise and educated and learned

[dogin8]

Bonkers to think that people have bad opinions just, all the time

anyways remember kids, fucked up bigoted beliefs NEVER come from a point of good intention "But we need to keep X group safe" shut up "But this is a slippery slope" Nope.

No matter how much a bigot might Think they have good intentions "The reason I'm homophobic is because of [bullshit non-violent non-hateful motive]" they're fucking wrong or lying.

The reason your average bigot is bigoted is because somebody smarter than them, better with words than them, more influential than them and more determined than them, will benefit from their bigotry.

The reason a british transphobe is transphobic is not because of some well intentioned fear for the safety of cis women, it is because the government WANTS them to be transphobic to facilitate genocide.

The reason a french islamaphobe is islamaphobic is not because of some well intentioned fear for the safety of women, it is because the government WANTS them to be transphobic to facilitate genocide.

The reason a United States xenophobe is xenophobic is not because of some well intentioned fear of terrorism, it is because the government WANTS them to be xenophobic to facilitate imperialist war.

Anyways despite the language above ^ being very 'this is always the reason' I am going to acknowledge that there are some bigots who don't pretend it's for good reason and there are some bigots who do so regardless of government bodies, BUT they're still doing it cause some Jordan Peterson type dickwad has told them to.

Bigots aren't well intentioned, They have never been well intentioned, I will always support explaining things to people when you have the chance to safely and properly do so, but Never give a transphobe the benefit of the "oh but maybe they actually just care about the safety of cis women" because whether they genuinely believe that or not it's fucking bullshit and shouldn't be treated as anything close to 'well intentioned'.

[panther-os]

hnnnnnng the fact that Carlos has been trained in gun safety for years, that he's been told "don't put your finger on the trigger unless you intend to fire" until it's second nature to him, that we only really see him with his finger on the trigger of a service weapon like half a second before he does fire it even when all his coworkers have had their fingers on triggers for seconds or minutes, that when he confronted the guy he thought killed his dad he had his finger on the trigger of that pistol the moment he took it out of his belt - maybe even the moment he stepped into the driveway - and he didn't remove it when Owen came running up or when he started to have doubts - not until it was completely clear the guy was 100% innocent (or until someone took it out of his hand, I need to rewatch the whole episode again instead of just clips)

it keeps me awake at night yk?

[spacebugarts]

There are so many things wrong with this ridiculous blazed post I just saw but the bbc sherlock tag gave me whiplash

[armedwithapencilandpaper]

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[antonblastdeluxe]

Brooo im so sorry those fucknuts are still pestering you almost FIVE FUCKING YEARS LATER. Talk about needing to get a life, like imagine how uneventful and boring their lives have to be to still be mad at you

It's less pestering and moreso 'they're screaming about me to a blog where they don't even get 1 like on their posts, like?

Just DM me to settle things at this point or just move on because not even I'm that mentally ill to waste my energy on you anymore. Sounds mean as fuck but if you talk about the same person at random after five years you really either need to get a job or find a better outlet. It's not healthy to dwell! I'm not responsible for you remaining mad at me despite blocking you on all fronts.

Maybe don't get so mad over people blocking you??? Idk lmao. I have a job that makes me money now, and I literally don't need to respond to a fully grown adult throwing a pissfit anymore.

[plaidos]

“no really, who is saying this” gee i don’t know, probably transmisogynists. this is like infamously something people say to trans women on this website all the time. i’m genuinely glad you’ve never seen this, but come the fuck on — you’re obviously being transphobic (i don’t give a fuck that you’re trans) if your immediate response to “wow i can’t believe this type of bigotry is still happening all the time” is “UMMMMM i have never seen it so it probably isn’t real”. you sound like a fucking antifeminist youtuber. you sound like shoeonhead. like what urge could possibly drive you as a trans person to immediately dismiss other people’s experiences with transphobia on instinct. like genuinely what on earth is wrong with you. were you unloved as a child? not enough hugs? seriously what is wrong with you?

man are we still on this "trans girls with boring genders" shit. literally a rabbit hole away from "making a mockery of femininity"