#discourse ig?

[butchsmell]

find it really interesting how the "butchfemme relationships are heteronormative" crowd are never seen advocating for more butch4butch relationships in media, its only ever said in defense of fem4fem ships... you'd almost think they just have an issue with lesbian masculinity

[boldlygayingwherenogayshavegayed]

Disgust at something is valid. The solution is to avoid it. Avoid looking at it. Don't make your disgust other people's problem. There are a lot of foods that profoundly disgust me. I don't treat people who eat those as if they're creepy and gross and insanitary.

i dont understand why ppl have such a major judgement thing for feet fetishists. im not into feet but yall are cowards. there are men out there who would cry for the privilege of giving you a massage and you're gonna deny yourself that just bc he's motivated? move the fuck over i'm disabled and if a guy wants to suck on my toes until his tongue gave me french tips i will simply permit him and he's gonna thank me for it. it is 1am

[stolenkissesdiaz]

it’s insane to me that ppl are SHOCKED buck and tommy broke up? from the beginning we knew it wasn’t going to last? tommy was a plot device? they didn’t know until last minute if they were gonna do it with buck or eddie iirc? tommy literally got buck basketball tickets for their 6 month anniversary, when buck hating basketball was one of the reasons bucktommy even became a thing? and ur…mourning a queer relationship talking about how it’s HOMOPHOBIC to break them up? i’d actually say keeping buck in a relationship he wasn’t appreciated/heard/seen in is homophobic and dumb. like it was HIS FIRST KISS WITH A GUY AND NOT TWO SECONDS LATER THEYRE DATING. like let buck explore and enjoy??? it’s also so unrealistic to make them endgame when, again, ITS BUCKS FIRST QUEER RELATIONSHIP. *blank stare* be so serious rn. don’t even get me started on how fucked up them getting together was after the shit tommy pulled by leaving buck, WHO JUST REALIZED HE WAS QUEER, on the curb after their first date bc buck didn’t come out in the middle of the restaurant to his best friend and his gf. as if tommy himself wouldn’t understand EXACTLY how buck feels or why he would panic and not tell eddie like. *wide eyed blank stare*

[arodabi]

I think a lot of alloros fundamentally misunderstand how being aro actually feels

I don’t go about my day as a hetro person who just happens to opt out of romance when it pops up

I’ve known i was different since before i even knew different was something i could be. Since i was like 12 or 13 I’ve known somehow what i was feeling was off compared to everyone around me. Growing up like that was fundamentally a queer experience for me, even if i wasn’t trans. In fact, i feel like my experiences being aro tie me closer to being queer than even my gender. While i can’t relate to everything in them, other queer coming of age stories do mirror my own aro coming of age. So to say that an aro person, regardless of their other identities, can’t be queer is just baffling to me.

[southparkartsystuff]

I’m kinda done with the "Kyle is tough" discourse but seriously, almost nobody thinks Kyle is an uwu femboy twink anymore, complaining about it over and over again means you’re only beating a dead horse at this point.

I do believe Kyle IS a tough and angry character, but those aren’t his only personality traits, whenever I think of Kyle, I tend to remember him more because of his high intelligence as well as him being the voice of the reason of the group rather than him being ONLY the tough one.

On an unrelated note, I don’t understand why the fandom feels the need to "think it critically 24/7" when comes to enjoying characters, why can’t people just enjoy their positive qualities while acknowledging that they’re flawed? Idk, I’m just tired at this point.

I don’t want to hear something along the lines of “portraying Kyle as tough is OOC” from someone who depicts Kenny and/or Craig as tough guys who get into fights.

[quillthrillswriting]

i'm sorry, but the atla fandom is the only place where i've ever seen people unironically use a 12 year old telling his friend that killing someone out of grief is maybe a rash decision and not healthy to argue that that same 12 year old is being controlling and is an unhealthy partner

you guys know that murder is like....a bad thing....right? especially for a 14 year old? you guys know that revenge murder isn't a healthy strategy? you guys know that anyone who would encourage that is probably actually the unhealthy one in that scenario...right??

[justarandomhelluvablog]

"Why do Asmodeus and Beelzebub get to be good people while Mammon is flat-out terrible?"

Because greed can't be good. Bottom line. You can make arguments for lust and gluttony not being inherently harmful, but not greed.

The very basis of greed is intense desire for something (not just money) with disregard for others. You can be lustful and still love (ex, feeling sexual desire for your partner). You can be gluttonous and still be responsible (ex, going out to a party on your weekend). But you cannot be greedy and care about others.

Being the embodiment of greed inherently means you cannot care about other people. That's why Ozzie and Bee get to be Ozzie and Bee. That's why Mammon will only ever be Mammon.

[cjlouwho]

Like it’s actually so funny can you imagine being an unprofessional writer who doesn’t know how to be unbiased and caters only to one specific set of fans and then you get told one day you gotta interview the man who plays the character you have spent so much time talking shit about… publicly. Then you go online and try to change the narrative by blaming fans and saying you never actually hated the guy, even though you clearly did/do, and you accuse fans of harassing you even though it was fans of a completely different show that harassed you and you just keep making yourself look more and more stupid then you… you have to admit you interviewed that guy you can’t stand. Because it’s apparent said guy is sticking around long term. And you’ve gotta face that shit.

I’m cackling 😂

[transexualpirate]

hot take but i think that "fictional characters are fictional and liking or disliking them have no real life effect" and "the way you treat certain characters can be an indicative of your character in real life" are statements that can and should coexist

example: character A is violent and makes misogynistic comments. they're still charismatic and their arc is interesting to read/watch. person A acknowledges that the character is bad but they still enjoy consuming content from the character and they do so unapologetically. they're allowed to like the character, especially considering that literally everyone the character has harmed is also fictional. they don't pretend the character isn't violent, or misogynistic, they just like the character despite that. they post about it constantly. this is a neutral action that shows nothing about person A.

character B is a white man that makes racist comments, treats a black person in the show badly and gains money through anti-ethical means. they're still charismatic and their arc is interesting to read/watch. person B claims the character is flawed but overall misunderstood and all their actions are entirely justified. they're allowed to like the character, especially considering that literally everyone the character has harmed is also fictional. person B claims the black character that character B treated badly either had it coming or overreacted. all of person B's favorite characters are white men. person B goes out of their way to justify that all of their favorite characters are actually misunderstood and good people, and more people should like them. this shows that person B likely has some favoritism for white men.

just. you're allowed to like fictional characters even if they're awful fucking people but. and im not sure why this is controversial. the way you interact with media says something about you. this isn't necessarily a bad thing. does this make sense please

[nubuckleather]

irritating how bad faith “tommy wanted eddie” has overshadowed lighthearted and/or pre-buddietommy “tommy wanted eddie” like it’s not about him being a predator it’s about him being a gay man who met two smokeshows and was lowkey crushing on both of them! and then he didn’t “settle for buck” he established a solid friendship with eddie and found something more romantic with evan!

[windybluebelles]

Beginning to hate TimKon simply because of how some of the fans treat every other Tim (or Kon, but mostly Tim) ship.

(Mostly Bernard since he’s canon atm but I’ve seen a lot of people shit on Steph as well.)

Like, stfu.

The only thing you achieve by publicly saying that you hate Bernard is that DC will just, remove Tim’s bisexuality. If you hate on one of the few canon mlm relationships, they will just get rid of the representation entirely.

Cause, let’s be for real, TimKon is never gonna be canon. They will never make two important characters be gay together. It’s the same reason why Jon is dating that random pink guy.

Also, they already have one gay SuperBoy, (and if people keep shitting on his boyfriend the number will quickly become ZERO) They will never make Kon being lgbtq official.

[tevanbuckley]

the lesbians revelling in the opportunity to be homophobic towards a gay man because they’ve decided he’s bad are suffering from such severe levels of internet brainrot. “I don’t care if I’m being homophobic to cis gay men,” is a fucking wild statement.

you’re not “punching up” by making jokes about how you want to violently kill a gay character, you’re just an asshole, and a stupid one at that. because for whatever baffling reason you’ve decided to peddle a bunch of homophobic stereotypes.

“but tommy was a bigot! who cares?” sorry but that’s actually completely irrelevant to this conversation! there’s no goodness quota queer ppl need to meet before it becomes unacceptable to dehumanise them. that should be the bare fucking minimum.

[purlty23]

[pinkysberg]

is it misogynistic to critique a flawed female character? of course not. is it misogynistic if the only characters you find yourself investing time into actively critiquing are the female characters? i mean, if i were you i'd maybe invest some time into self reflection.

also lets put our intersectionality caps on while we're at it. maybe you find your critiques being levelled more frequently, with more intensity at a queer/gnc presenting character, or a black character, so on so forth.

we can all be flawed and any good character is flawed. that's what makes them interesting. but perhaps we can dedicate more energy into dissecting the misdeeds of dudes in media more often as well. i don't know. how about that?

[catzgam3rz]

Dream tweeting about the dsmp and saying most of the creators would’ve never collaborated together otherwise when like… a good amount were on SMPEarth BEFORE THE DSMP is just so funny to me

[anonymous-dentist]

What a great comeback! I just hope the qsmp wiki doesn’t take Cellbit accidentally calling Phil ‘dad’ as canon confirmation of- oh wait