#disclaimer i dont hate jon

[anthroposeen]

[tma spoilers: sasha's arc, discussion of women in tma and general spoilers for s1-5]

i wanted to do a breakdown of how the tma fandom interprets the main cast of 'protagonist' women specifically pertaining to sasha's role in tma canon and how shes viewed in the fan sphere :)

i think its interesting how sasha is almost universally liked by tma fans when she was a very short-lived character with just about no screen time. its obviously tied to the fact that sasha was considered an ally by jon and the other original staff and they take measures to avenge her in some regard- this is perpetuated as shes painted as an obvious protagonist (one of the few who arent necessarily morally grey) with no real content to prove she had bad qualities. other women in tma have a considerable amount of content (im specifically referring to those working in the archives or having a large role in jon's life: georgie, melanie, basira, and daisy) which lets the audience see them in a more multi-faceted light. we see their rights and wrongs through jons eyes, and since they have more canon content, obviously they're more complex characters and they serve more nuanced narrative purposes. at the end of the day, sasha's use as a character was to drive the plot with a significant death and inspire a revenge or depression in the other characters, and she served this role perfectly. jon avenges her twice in s5 alone (smiting the not!them and then cursing her name at jonah) so we know she was very important pre-s1, but as the audience we just dont get to see that depth to her.

theres also the internalized misogyny that fandoms often have; sasha was the main and only female role in s1 (not counting gertrude since shes dead) and her relationships largely revolved around men. all of her coworkers were men, and we know they admired her. we know she was friends with them all individually and also glued them together in group settings. she had a "will they wont they" relationship (his words of course) with tim, and she was the character that introduced us to michael. the other more fleshed out women of tma had relationships largely revolving around other women. melanie and georgie were partners, melanie had moments were she was friends with basira, and basira and daisy came into the series as a package deal. when these characters are given the choice between choosing to help jon or choosing to help the woman closest to them, they dont choose jon. obviously this can rub the audience the wrong way, but it also showcases a loyalty to the idealized fanon interpretation of a woman over the canon multi-dimensional women we dont need to extrapolate on.

i get that its easier to like a female character when she's a protagonist who supported the male lead; and bonus points if shes such a vague character that anyone can paste their interpretations onto and it cant be "disproven". of course its sexier to leave things up to the imagination, but it just irks me to see people fawn over a (please forgive me) one dimensional character when more complex women exist in canon. people have the tendency to beg for flawed women in fiction then dislike them or ignore them when they get the representation they asked for. if you're willing to defend jon but not melanie, basira, daisy, or georgie, maybe ask yourself why.

disclaimer: i dont think anyone is a misogynist for liking sasha or preferring her over the other women in tma! i like both canon and fanon interpretations of her character and i wish we got to see more of her, but i do think theres something to be said about how the fandom treats her vs the other women in the cast. and i know im not at all the first to say it! i was just thinking about this as a general observation of fan content that ive seen and i dont mean to hate on anyone, their fan content, or sasha as a character!

[godblessthisfuckingfandom]

Season 2 episode 47

disclaimer: much swearing about to happen

FUCKING MICHAEL

FUCKITY FUCK FUCKING MICHAEL

WHAT THE FUCK

WHY DOES HE SOUND SO CREEPY

AND WHAT DO U MEAN YOU NORMALLY REMAIN NEUTRAL BUT THE ARCHIVES GETTING DESTROYED WOULDVE UPSET THE BALANCE TO SOON?

AND WTF DO YOU MEAN “I don’t want to tarnish your ignorance prematurely”????

WHAT IS HAPPENING

WHO ARE WE AT WAR WITH HERE

PRENTISS IS GONE AND I DONT THINK THEYRE GONNA BRING HER BACK THAT WOULD BE TO MANY HOOPS TO JUMP

ALSO WHY THE FUCK ARE THERE SO MANY THINGS ABOUT BOOKS, EYES, AND THIS FUCKING JURGEN LEITNERS LIBRARY

AND THE BONETURNER’S TALE

Can we talk about the fucking boneturner’s tale for a fucking second what the fuck is happening with that

why is it messing with so many people

and that fucking circus

The the something I don’t remember what it’s called is that what the calliope chilling in storage is from cuz it sure as fuck sounds like it

and omg I comepletely forgot about the weird vase in there to

omg wait

This is making me remember so much

wait is Sasha’s voice still weird

like is it still not Sasha

I’ve been switching between the transcripts and the podcast so I don’t know what her original voice sounded like and I don’t know if she’s still labeled as Not!Sasha when she has lines

I need to do research on that

Oh yeah and SOMEONE ELSE HAS BEEN IN THE FUCKING TUNNELS????

THATS SO SCARY

AND JON GOT STABBED???????

BY MICHAEL??

THAT FUCKER THAT IS MY BRITISH MAN CHILD

AND WHY ARE THERE SOOOOO MANY ACTUAL CREATURES AROUND NOW

Like the statements used to be oh the creepy thing happened to me and we just didn’t get an explanation why

now there’s things

there’s creatures

doing things

I hate this

omfg I’m so scared

also the ending of 47

Michael just like “remember the door she left through?” And Jon just like “sorry what wait what wait FUCK”

and the whining the recorder was making that scared me to fucking death

I cannot handle this at all

oh but I completely understand the Jon/martin shipping now and I am completely on board that vessel if u even care

OH AND gonna break the fourth wall here i wanna know how we have access to the recordings

cuz Jon was saying oh Sasha we lost ur recording of ur experience with Michael we need to make that again that was one of the tapes that got “lost”

what do u mean lost sir

I heard that tape

I know that story

what do u mean lost I just listened to it

how come I have it and u don’t

what is happening

please don’t be dead and the police found all ur tapes hidden in the tunnels or smth I will cry and die

also wanna know smth creepy I literally had to make a presentation on a Roman city for school and I picked Alexandria did it and not even the next day was the tape with Gertrude asking the dude hey that creepy thing that u saw in what was probably the library of Alexandria yeah did u put the grate back over the top so it couldn’t get out oh you don’t remember hm yes excuse me while I cut the eyes out of my pictures and books just so Jon can find them later and record about it and scare them listeners asses off

god this show is gonna give me a heart attack one day

in conclusion hehehehehehehhe Michael sounds kinda like Michael Jackson and that’s the funniest thing I’ve heard today even though he still scared the shit out of me alright that’s all end recording

[devine-fem]

I wanna hear you talk about JonJay. I just need to hear someone else’s dislike for it from someone that also actually reads comics and I’ve noticed you had JonJay DNI in ur bio.

WHEW. Listen disclaimer: If you like Jonjay. Do not read this. Also, do not interact with me because if you like Jonjay, you will not like me.

My issue is that I kind of like Jay’s fight against colonization but that is it. THAT IS IT. My problem is that it came about in such an awful way… like it’s like Representation 101 that you don’t do what Tom Taylor did with Jonjay… he created a character for another character to be queer and not only that made the characters boring…

The thing about Jonjay shippers is that a lot of the time the shippers enjoy the racist/bad writing version of Damian… they always weirdly speak like they hate Damian… Also, people who are an apologist for older!Jon… HAVE TO BE ILLITERATE… like there’s no way…

My friend was telling me that they’ve never met a Jonjay shipper who had good takes and good taste in media… it just doesn’t exist… and how hostile they are with young jon and damijon in general… I’m not going to lie… hating damijon and liking jonjay never made mathmatical sense to me… even if its not damijon… I’d prefer ANYTHING over jonjay… I trust that any other ship has plenty more substance… and no, it just… jay’s character exists to put down Jon’s… as long as Jay exists… Jon will never be able to grow and shine… read SSOKE and take a second to realize that the focus there is Jay and not Jon!! THAT IS WHY SSOKE IS SO BORING! like jonjay shippers only really care about jay anyway which makes no sense ???! thank you for telling me to rant because i dont get those people at all

AND PEOPLE WHO SHIP JONJAY AND HATE JON? it just makes no sense like wtf?? i guess it kinda makes sense because theres no way you like jonjay and actually gaf about jons character… you probably just like gay superman and thats it like… tom taylor hates good romance… its like dickbabs hurting babs… jonjay hurts jon…

im rambling but yeah, i hate jonjay… its the only ship i hate besides like obviously incest ships or tim x anyone LMAO but like its not about getting in the way of my ship, its about being a bad ship that is associated with the character assassination of my favorite character… i guess i kind of think of it the same way roy fans think of jayroy but also i like daminika (or my idea of daminika) so like its really not about “getting in the way of my ship” i really could care less… ships are fanon

dude. dude. listen. i saw a jonjay shipper say that damijon has no chemistry because they barely have chemistry as friends… talking about chemistry and bring a jonjay shipper is crazy? CHEMISTRY SALES BABE? adventures of jon kent couldn’t break 6 issues and you wanna talk about chemistry? the proof is in the pudding… the people dont like mid. dude. listen. jonjay shippers are just idiots… they have to be 😭 your brain cant be braining in order to like that bro. they be like “i love you 😐” LMAO LIKE JUST NO EMOTION LIKE WHO CAN ENJOY THAT. thank you jonjay for reminding us youre dating because honestly we could NOT tell. cant wait for you to disappear all year then reappear during june 😭

[anthroposeen]

[disclaimer: i dont mean for this to come off as argumentative or mean-spirited, but i just want to do a blurb on my own interpretation of these relationships and the morality of jon's actions]

i think an important thing to note when reacting to other character's treatment of jon is that we are told the story through his perspective. the tapes follow him and let us see how he acts with his guard down, and we get to see the traumatic things hes experienced. without jon admitting what hes gone through, the others are unaware it happens. so they dont see jon's vulnerable and honest moments that makes the audience feel sympathetic, they only see whatever mask he puts on. and more often than not, he puts on a pretty shitty persona.

in s2, the others didnt have an explanation for why jon was being a stand-off paranoid mess, even jon didnt know what was agitating him at first. and he wasnt doing harmless things to them, we hear about him breaking into gertrude's flat, going through her things, stalking the movements and houses of all his assistants, and being very aggressive with them if hes confronted (tim is a great example). and jon is largely absent in s3, along w being a suspect in a murder case, so it tracks that they all see him in the same light as in s2, how are they supposed to know hes changed? that hes been through traumatic things? and if they've noticed a change in his actions by the end of s3, its likely washed away by the time they see him again in s4. for the audience, the change between seasons is pretty quick, but the archive crew hadn't interacted w jon for 6 months- and once he does wake up, whatever tied him to his humanity is now severed.

im not going to entirely defend basira, bc i dont think shes an entirely innocent person (obviously shes as morally grey as jon) but i do think her relationship to daisy is complex and overlooked. also, important to note that while daisy was hunting jon she thought he was a murderer, and correctly worked out that he was no longer human, so her motivations werent all bad. plus, basira has known, trusted, and worked with daisy for years- of course she supports daisy's convictions and actions and distrusts jon (who they investigated for being a murderer twice).

i think it isnt right of her to fully support daisy- especially after its understood that her actions were largely harmful, an abuse of power, and a reaction of her affiliation w the hunt. but we do see basira understand that what daisy did is bad, and though she expresses anger about daisy being inactive post-buried, she never actually pushes daisy to hunt. even when julia, trevor, and the not!them appear in mag158- she urges daisy to not turn to the hunt, and follows through on her promise to take daisy out (not to mention the lead-up arc to daisy's death in s5, which shows basira recognizing daisy's actions). so i dont find it entirely hypocritical of her to also criticize jon's "eating habits" (even martin didn't condone that, and went way out of his way to bring that to the others' attention). im not saying shes entirely without fault or flaw, since she treats daisy much better than jon even though theyre journeys are similar, but i think thats what happens with a cast of very complex characters.

as for georgie, i hate that shes heavily criticized by the fandom for essentially keeping her peace. she welcomed jon into her house after not seeing him for years (i think jon even says the breakup wasnt very good). the cherry on top is that she even lets him stay after the police asked for him on grounds of a murder investigation. she lets him stay there after hes lied to her multiple times about the tapes, whos sending them, and why hes there. once hes in a coma, she visited him and made oliver leave because she didnt trust him to be there with jon. thats a lot of care and consideration for a guy who is kind of an ass, kept a lot of important info hidden from you, stepped over your boundaries at your house several times, and was a dick to your gf. it checks out that once her relationship to melanie gets stronger and melanie leaves the institute, she would also distance herself from that. georgie never had a responsibility to help jon, but she still did, so i dont see how it makes her a bad person for not wanting more involvement. she saw what it did to jon (he literally isnt human anymore) and she sees what its done to melanie. ofc she doesnt want to stir that pot, ofc she would rather live in relative safety. (also, anyone who was involved was serving an evil fear god in some facet, so involvement is far from the morally correct option)

essentially, i do think jon deserved the treatment he got from the others. they lacked a majority of the context the audience had, and saw jon in a completely different and much more toxic light.

Just finished season 4 of The Magnus Archives and... man...

(SPOILERS)

It makes me so incredibly depressed how badly Jon was mistreated by the rest of the cast from Season 2 on.

With the stalking, obviously it's wrong, right? And yeah, no, Tim is perfectly justified being pissed about it. But 1) John was right and something really was amiss, Sasha was replaced by the NotThem and 2) the paranoia is revealed in S4's finale to be of supernatural origin.

The Stranger's thing is causing paranoia. It worked on Jon.

But even that notwithstanding, Basira's hypocrisy drove me up a wall during Season 4. She's perfectly fine and dandy with Daisy killing people, violently, while abusing her status as a police officer. After Daisy gets pulled out of the coffin (by Jon, no less), she even takes to trying to convince Daisy to go Hunting.

But yeah, no, thats fine! That's not her fault! Violently hurting and killing people is fine! But Jon acting in the way he's driven to by the Watcher by... making people recount their trauma, no, that's a big no! But Jon! Jon you have to use your powers! Gertrude was so admirable doing what she had to to get what she needed no matter who she had to kill and/or offer up to entities on a silver platter for!

God I hated Basira at the end.

And then Georgie being so incredibly hostile out of nowhere.

I know it was part of isolating Jon and all but god that hit hard. Jon wasn't just going through a Personal Crisis(tm) he was facing the end of the world, and Georgie decides it's a great time to enact the "I don't owe you emotional labor uwu" thing.

It was a very interesting twist that the plan wasn't even necessarily Martin becoming an avatar of The Lonely. It was isolating Jon so that he could be marked by The Lonely. Interesting take. JMart fans rise up.

anyway i have many thoughts and feelings. Jon didn't deserve it lmao

[utrhood]

Hello, if you think I’m writing this to talk shit about Kon’s treament. Yeah, you guessed right, my fellow friend, because I AM.

There’s no constructive argument or elaborated reasoning behind this post, I just want to say how angry I get when I see Jon Kent getting all the spotlight while Conner gets to be in the fucking Suicide Squad. SUICIDE SQUAD! He was part of the team in Future State and we saw how fucked up his situation was. Kon wasn’t there because he likes them or had turned evil, Amada Waller coerced him into joining them. “Superman” did horrible things as stated by other characters in the same comic, he didn’t get to command Suicide Squad, Kon was just a toy. Just someone to fill Superman’s spot in Earth 3. 

It’s been years that DC treats Kon poorly. He had a good few comics, but nothing exceptional and none of them treated him properly like the 90s one did (well, characterization-wise, I mean). Conner was just young Superman and young Clark Kent. They butchered his personality.

Now he doesn’t even get to be with Superman after years of being erased from main continuity! Conner Kent is shoved into a stupid team while Jon Kent( that was created in 2015, mind you) gets to be with Superman in his comics. Jon also has a good comic with Damian and is Superman in Future State, appearing in three different comics in this event.

And don’t you dare come at me saying “well, Jon Kent had been aged up”. I know it was a bad move, but he’s still getting the spotlight while an almost 30 years old character is pushed to the side. Jon’s written as a good guy all the time. Jon was in Action Comics, Superman comic, DCeased, Supersons, three different Future State titles and in Action Comics annual. And all these appearances happened in five years of his creation. Oh, and now he has a live action version. Of course, I’m not saying it’s Jon’s fault. He has nothing to do with it because he’s a character. 

So, yeah, Kon has been treated badly by DC for many years now. And don’t get me start on the fact that everytime he shows up, Kon has a different personality. They don’t even bother to learn and read his comics. And not only him, but almost everyone from Tim’s generation has this awnful treatment. Cassie doesn’t have a solo title, didn’t show up in Future State and is pretty much forgotten. Same as Bart. 

I don’t know why DC hates them like that and this truly makes me sad because they’re my favorite team. Bart, Cassie, Kon, Cissie... They all have so much potential, but DC waste them to put new characters in the spotlight. If only they invested in Young Justice, I’m sure more people would like the team.

[dontstalkhaleyshedontlikethat]

When people are against Jonerys because they’re aunt and nephew but they ship Jonsa which is just as bad because they’re cousins

[erotetica]

Wrote 1k in silly response to this, indeed, fic-slash-maladaptive-daydream discussion so. Winning ! -> I was talking abt fuzzy coat Seth Rollins booker abt like. Whats the deal. Monday night messiah ? (cunt. I love wrestling. Im Seth rollins’ biggest fan no I dont watch the product) but like honestly 2tone mullet kind of everything to me or like the Kenneth o’ Meghan vibe of looking absolutely horrid trash on purpose (he’s the hottest girl in wrestling) 

NICO LOOKS. He’s hard. He’s difficult to pin down. <- everyone laughs at my pun. Instinctively Im like well surely he just looks like mox like honestly I think a lot of mox’s vibes fit Nicky in that first of all this isnt actually abt Nicky but can we talk abt Jon moxley being the one whose intro song is wild thing . Wild thing you make my heart sing etc etc . Deeply fun to me. babygirl theres something wrong with him. Anyway I think Nico’s intro song would also be wild thing + I like that mox doesnt use the tunnels to come in I feel like thats a bit Nicky except then Im wondering is that safe like where does the heel/face dynamic come in w his feud w joe. But anyway. Getting off track. (also I dont think nicky:mox is 1:1 bc mox moves weirdly and languidly when coming into any event which is STRANGE btw he’s so weird. But it works for mox but I dont think itd work for nicky.) anyway all of this to say I think Nicky would just show up to the function like ‘im wearing cargo army pants.’ Except mox’s pants are still a great fit nd Nicky wouldnt have that. SO LIKE basically to wrap up this tangent I think Nicky would either wear dadjeans or cargo shorts + kick pads OR he’s go the full punk route and like even tho he’s one of the hottest things in wrestling & also a full adult w self respect he still shows up in budgie smugglers printed with the Italian flag (ultimate heel move) 

Or you’ve got dan the dad who’s great but its a different sort of Nicky vibe. Thats like. Adjacent addtional 2nd au of an au.  (btw when I said Andy’s nile’s sting I meant that more in terms of the dynamic going on there but actually Andy in sting face paint is a marvel to me.) 

Yassified house of black kills me. (look at this art btw. yassified house of black ily) Im now also thinking abt how itd work in a situation where Nicky & Joe r feuding but they do end up on the same faction so not to steal absolutely everything from the house of black story line but the whole spitting in the face thing that happened w Julia hart I think itd be cool if that happened w either Joe or Nicky (OR BOTH!) To get them on the same faction. Actually itd be so fun if it was like Joe and Nicky’s feud is STILL going on and its not that ppl are getting sick of it its just that ppl are getting. Sick of it. Theyre like well girl take care of it in the back stop making it OUR problem. Ppl are like well this is clearly at least 50% shoot and its getting uncomfortable. -> and then nile (house of black nile) runs in & spits black mist in BOTH their faces. And now theyre the house’s tag team. But they still hate each other a lot. But also theyve been fighting so regularly that they work like a dream bc they know exactly what the other’s gonna do. 

splitting up the response for ease of reading. Unless this is more confusing in which case well I still did it so yk) ^ u kno when ur going thru the insanity stage of thinking up a new au and all avenues r still open to u so u might say things that dont make sense w what you’ve said before / what youre going to say next bc BOTH options are good and it doesnt matter that it doesnt work together ? Disclaimer that this is what that is. Bc joenicky tag team is one thing but joebooker tag team and then booker turns heel to join capitalism Dudley (scream) is another and I have to marinate in that one for a while bc a) yes b) ough . Part of me’s like booker turns into wardlow but I actually have a deep seated love for mjf and dont want to compare capitalism Dudley to him. And ig merrick already has his wardlow in that other dude (completely forgot the names I havent seen this movie in like . forever.) but still i do feel like the pinnacle does somewhat work as an existing equivalent to the merrick dynamic. OR . Speaking of Kenneth o’meghan. Booker’s bulletclubcleaner era ? I actually think that could work bc a) cleaner is a fucking vibe of all time nd b) I think booker would do good going from one gimmicky faction to one which is if anything even more gimmicky like if we’re doing a mostly 1:1 equivalency I think house of black in general (and togofblack) might be this evil heel faction but also I KNOW they paint each other’s nails and gab about their emotions. I KNOW that faction has emotional regulation. And I know the bullet club doesnt. So then I think in booker’s mind that move also makes sense cause he’s SAD , like All The Time but he doesnt actually wanna talk about it too much so now he moves to bullet club where he can be sad but also hide it behind kayfabe. Its full circle. We’ve performed faggotry at the wrestlemania.

Anyway yes andy in daddy shorts and face paint. Andy in daddy shorts and face paint and quynh interrupting a promo and Andy swallowing her own tongue and breaking kayfabe immediately. Wrestle-nile who’s standing next to her like uh Andy ? R u ok ? <- surely she like knows who quynh is (or not it could be equally fun if nile is clueless she really was just olympic darling nile and then said nah time for a new thing idk shit about any of these ppl btw) but like if she knows who quynh is she for sure doesnt know how #Real it is btwn Andy & quynh. Very fun. Nile rly thought oh I’ll just switch careers to become more of a performer and that’ll be a good time and surely won’t cause permanent damage to my psyche (wrong) (all of this happens in like 3 months. Welcome to the business nile we’re so happy to have you here !)

Cabaret style narrative is sooooo ……. Literally I could never do that bc I’m too impatient for shit like that but it would literally be so insane and delicious. <- I feel like Im watching this play out already and already Im like in the comments on ao3 screeching my head off waiting for the next chapter. If You Were Writing The Fic Etc Etc. If We Were Writing The Fic Etc Etc and not just doing this in your inbox and the replies of my posts (though Im sure everyones having a great time clicking back and forth in btwn our blogs and sharing our brainrot. Im sure)

Also yeah catharsis kink. Thats what tog is all about. You got your joebooker for catharsis you got your nickybooker for star wars (literally such a good comparison)

WE’VE ENTERED READMORE TERRITORY & I HV A WORD DOC, WINNING IMDEED.

Booker would also be the hottest girl in wrestling, you’ve nailed his vibe. What if he looks like someone started dissolving him in lye scalp-first, AND he’s got a fuzzy coat. Dual wielding. With sheamus mutton chop + soul patch facial hair

The roadblock I was hitting was LITERALLY ‘Costco cargo shorts’ echoing in my head like an apple tornado warning. Hive mind. Bc yeah, on one hand, nicolo is not cool. On the other, bondage harness. Jon moxley vibes splits those uprights, I like that. Or the effy fit from the gif what started it all.

Fucccc everybody’s music tho. Digressing for Joe and la hafla. Or Sophie. His face is the front of shop :)

ANYway I think wild thing would work for Nicky, bc it’s ironicsexy. Is he coming onto u with a boom box? No but you had to ask. However—like, ok, in my opinion modern au Nicky should feel like he’s done meth a LITTLE. So I also wouldn’t mind him w/ a Funeral Derangements intro. Or hank Williams III Hellbilly. Especially if he’s normal, the fuckedness of the music should rise w/ how many pockets his pants have. If his outfit is Dan the dad’s then he comes out to Cocaine the White Devil. Also I’m still a lil stuck on Nicky/booker tag teaming from the orig posts, & their intro is stooges’ I wanna be your dog SEND POST!!

Not using tunnels is killing me bc Yusuf absolutely has a curated parkour entrance. He gets up on the fuckin. Corner pole thingy and backflips into the ring, and starts almost eating shit looking for Nicky. Without fail, when his dumb psychobilly wraps, that motherfucker appears and swings under the ropes like the satan of gym teachers. It kills Joe bc he gets over w/ what he KNOWS is just low effort disguised as jumpscare. It also kills him bc he can’t find him either but that’s different. (Nicky is usually in the empty behind-camera seats, eating stolen popcorn like ‘he looks good. I should learn to backflip.’)

Andy should absolutely have face paint. And cowboy BOOTS. I hv a rollerderby wip where I gave her an optio helmet plume, and like. Just saying. Also I can’t thread the needle between Andy and Memphis style right now but I want to

Being willing to alienate the audience/ruin their careers to beat ass is extremely yusufnicky. Getting vibes of like…a, ppl are getting sick of the shoot, and so Joe tries 2 rebrand w/ Andy and quynh’s face clique (replacing lykon who dipped bc [dialup noise], also I just Feel andy starting as a face). & Quynh, who strikes me as very gimmick savvy/a great storyteller being like ‘Hey. brosuf. you know what would fuck severely. bring ur weird dog and we have a deal.’ And they have a face run until The Fuckening. This also works 4 me bc I feel, before he internalizes and seeks out booing simultaneously, Booker’s baby-depressed, a jobber dying to live vicariously thru being a face and winning abt it. But like, AS he joins house of guard, Quynh is gone and Andy’s done a heelturn bc she’s emo in real life, and Booker is like *sad wojack*

Or b, the four of them aren’t a faction but they’re always on the same cards. Joe and Nicky fuck up so sincerely. Like, they fuck up through 3 cameras, the ref, and the parking lot. I think it would be funny if it was a ‘last ride’ match that went off the rails. They get blackballed from most sane venues is my point tho. The quynh fuckening happened offscreen. Andy comes up craving conflict, don’t ask why, but do they want to do fucked up hardcore so niche it’s barely profitable? And Nicky is like ‘BET’ bc again, there is something so wrong with this man, and Joe is *sad wojack but disgruntled*, bc he wanted to get WWE-famous & say something fucked up on live Saudi tv. Like Kanye. But then he realizes he’s doing impact play on straight ppl professionally, and it’s a smaller victory, but equally funny.

This one works for me bc they give starving artist vibes. Like, they should be poor and obscure. Disgraced post-fame. Do not know why. It’s funny if Nile is like, didn’t I sneak out of bed to watch you on Monday night raw? and Andy is like yes, now hit me with the thing they beat Jesus with.

Either way you’re so right abt Julia hart Nile.

Is Copley the ‘smark’ that helps them take down the merrick team for like, insider trading or whatthefuck?

Vibing to the bullet club thesis. That’s the perfect bimbofication of his canon conflict. Also. Booker trying to wallow around heterosexuals. ‘The risk I took was calculated, but FUCK’

Nile’s like OH THE OTHER MILF I COMMITTED KID CRIMES @ 9PM TO SEE—oh you’ve taken back the cat o nine tails—oh you’re committing seppuku with it. I’m going to have an investigative journalist moment with this later.

Nile as a fan who has a ‘hm’ moment abt how oh, you’re fucked up. I see. The POV introduction to the cabaret thing, 1st look behind the curtain into the binary.

Speaking of songs. Which we weren’t anymore but. Speaking of them. Quynh & sympathy for the devil. She comes back from [etc etc] w/ a masked gimmick. Part of it is legitimately no one knows who she is. Andy splashing her face in a shitty bathroom after the interrupted promo & the lights are flickering bc the arena is taking so much power. In the bg you hear PLEASED TO MEET YOU. HAVE YOU GUESSED MY NAME?

[ghostbustermelanieking]

tma plot points that i feel like are unresolved/might come back up in the last 3 episodes

• all the Institute employees die if jonah is killed or the archives are destroyed

• The assistants are freed if the Archivist dies

• Martin's read the most statements out of any character outside of Jon within the bounds of the show, and was once considered as a backup Archivist by Jonah

• Martin resolved to have Jon smite him if the world can't be turned back, and as far as I can tell Jon still doesn't know

• Jon and Martin's Kill Bill arc/Jon using his powers to dispel justice (smiting people/saving Jordan kennedy) (there is no WAY that is over, that was literally one of the major points of the unresolved fight at the end of 194)

• Georgie's connection to the end

• Jon's relationship with Melanie (this one is kind of a stretch, but considering the conversations he's had with Basira and Georgie these last 10 eps... I feel like it might get addressed?)

• The cult/Celia being Lynne Hammond/whoever Unnamed Woman is

• Melanie's "prophecy" and the cultists belief in it

• Melanie and Basira's friendship?? (Also possibly a stretch since it was mostly offscreen, but Melanie says she "kind of hates" basira after basira contributes to cutting the bullet out of her leg and then it's never really brought up again... I feel like we might hear a sideways "I don't forgive you but" moment ala Jon and Tim or Jon and daisy)

• The Admiral (also a stretch but I feel like we'll see him again)

• People's repeated promises to kill Jonah, which is now on the table again (calling it now: it's gonna be Jon, Martin, or Melanie)

**disclaimer: i DONT think all of these are gonna be addressed. there's 3 episodes left, there's no fucking way, i respect that. if i had to put money on the ones i think will be addressed, it's the cult and Jon and Martin Kill Bill. (the latter is one of the major through lines this season, there's no way it won't be addressed.) there's some i actively hope will come up (martin reading statements pls become relevant), but i don't expect them all to. this is my final 3 episodes bingo card except i'm too lazy to make an actual bingo card

(*** i actually have my doubts about Agnes Montague. i thought she might show up at htr/be connected to lynne hammond but i'm not really sure where they'd put her now. [and also it might be a continuity error but i checked locations of lynne hammond's statement against where agnes died and it isn't the same place. which means maybe it's just a random connection.] it'd be cool if she showed up but i'm not sure we have time. and as disappointing as it is to never hear from her directly, i do feel like -- unless it's by way of her bond with gertrude -- her story has probably been resolved)

[tired-fandom-ndn]

Have you ever said why you find Jon and Martin ship triggering? You dont have to answer. I'm just curious and I dont think I saw you saying why.

Mmmm. This is really complicated because it makes complete sense to me but I have trouble verbalizing it? I actually tried to type it out on that post twice and just gave up. I'll try to explain it though.

It's honestly the "one-sided to requited" thing that really gets me. I might've just missed it in the show, but I genuinely did not catch any hints that Jon returned Martin's feelings until the very end of s4. I know that the hate was a front, but nothing about his behavior with Martin came off as romantic to me.

I didn't see any of that development so what it looked like to me was that Martin spent all that time pining and Jon just started returning his feelings because? That's what he's supposed to do? Because that's what happens when you pine for someone. That's what happens when you spend so long loving someone, they start loving you back.

Or at least that's what media says is what happens. That's what society says should happen.

I've been in that situation before. I've had friends, including one who acted just like Martin, who pined after me and "loved" me "from a distance" until I started to "love" them back. I've been cornered into relationships by people who thought they were entitled to me because of their feelings for me, and whose feelings were validated by the people around us. And I don't think any of those people really meant me harm, but they all thought that their "love" for me meant that they were owed some piece of me and that if I didn't give them a "chance", then I was just trying to hurt or punish them.

And I'm not saying that my interpretation is correct or that jonm.artin is canonly toxic or whatever. I'm not even saying that there wasn't any build up, just that I didn't personally see any.

I see myself in Jon so much, including his relationships with other people. I relate to him, and his relationship with Martin and their dynamic reminds me way too much of the relationships that left me traumatized and unable to trust the intentions of people who call themselves my friends.

(I also just don't like Martin tbh. I like him well enough as a side or support character but as a love interest or main character? Nah. No thanks, I'll pass.)

General disclaimer that while I personally am triggered by the "one-sided to requited" trope, that doesn't mean I think it's bad or shouldn't exist or whatever. Just that something being common in media or regarded as sweet and romantic generally can still be triggering to people.

[woahajimes]

gurl i wanna know your answers to *all* those questions please

bet

What OTPs in your fandom(s) do you just not get?* mmm jayroy and kogane/moniwa i s'pose

Are there any popular fandom OTPs you only BroTP?* jayroy for this one too and maybe batcat? like not brotp but idk i dont ship them // asanoya, kuroken ( i mean i do ship it but im not invested and havent read many fics but i definitely see why its a ship but also they're friendsss)

Have you ever unfollowed someone over a fandom opinion? i once blocked a buncha ppl that i didnt even follow bc they said shitty things about astrid arkham while i thought she was cool

Do you have a NoTP in your fandom? Are they a popular OTP?* as long as they're not incest/pedo ships then i honestly don't mind any ships

Has fandom ever ruined a pairing for you?* uhhh i don't think so? maybe yja birdflash

Has fandom ever made you enjoy a pairing you previously hated?* not really but i have starting shipping pairs bc of fanart and stuff (konbart, kagehina, sunaosa, atsuhina)

Is there anything you used to like but can’t stand now?* like in fandom?? or irl?? bc uhhh ?? ill think about it lmao

Have you received anon hate? What about?*y ooh yes and they're all stupid asf (one about tim, another about steph, a bunch about me, and a few about timkon)

Most disliked character(s)? Why? mmm older jon in certain writings, everything in the 2003 tt run (specially cassie i just can't stand her idk her character was butchered and its not HER and it pisses me off), and uhhh for hq i don't have any in particular. i love them all.

Most disliked arc? Why? hmmm??? i don't knowwwww/ none come to mind lmao but i hate a few i know this (im sure there are a bunch of posts of me professing my hate for arcs n stuff) -- edit: the one in which seijoh my beloved DIDN'T go to nationals like 🙄 the fuck was that one about amirite

Is there an unpopular character you like that the fandom doesn’t? Why? A BUNCH. LORENA AQUAGIRL, GARTH MY BELOVED, miguel <3, that one kid in the 50s batman issue, simon baz, jessica criz, jesse chambers <33 they're not disliked but underrated // for hq its komaki my beloved (like it's all ''pretty setter'' this and ''pretty setter'' that but he's NEVER INCLUDED like smh) ALSO SHIBAYAMA AND INUOKA OMG I LOVE THEM SO MUCH AND KANOKA --again, just underrated (not a SINGLE kanoka playlist. shame.)

Is there an unpopular arc that you like that the fandom doesn’t? Why? mmm?? teen titans from the n52

Unpopular opinion about XXX character? aroace agender jason todd

Unpopular opinion about your fandom? lmfao dc was my first fandom (interacting-with-fandom fandom) and it's all "fuck dc" this and "fuck dc" that so when i enter new fandoms i gotta bite my tongue bc immideately its "i know ur characters better than u, [author]! you suck!" but noo

Unpopular opinion about the manga/show? l5ve it

If you could change anything in the show, what would you change? i'd let seijoh go to nationals... everyone gets to go to nationals fuck you

Instead of XYZ happening, I would have made ABC happen… nah

Does not shipping something ‘popular’ mean you’re in denial and/or biased? i don't get the question bc im tired and have no brains <3 but sometimes i go "i am NOT going to feel this way about XX character because everyone else feels that way about him (read: i will NOT be a jason simp bc everyone's a jason simp anyways -- disclaimer: I AM NOT)

What is the one thing you hate most about your fandom? no <3 --edit: b*tcest shippers

What is the purest ship in the fandom? UHHH harlivy <3 i won't say PURE but yes i love them (ALSO AQUAFLASH) // aofuta, yamatsukki, iwaoi, iwasuga!! (listen. there is lots of angsty fics with them but pls.)

What are your thoughts on crack ships? crack ships as in,,, never interacted in canon ever?? bc if so yes

Popular character you hate? no (joker)

Unpopular character you love? SO MANY OMG. eddie from tt03 (only good character to come put of it i swear) and a LOT more from dc i swear i only love the most unpopular characters and theres NO content so ughh // yes 100/100 all of them. from haikyuu i love all of them

Would you recommend XXX to a friend? Why or why not? yes 1000/1000 if i like it ill recommend it but also sometimes i wanna keep things to myself and for ME but i always end up recommending lmfao

How would you end XXX/Would you change the ending of XXX? hm? no

Most shippable character? uhh dick maybe?? yes def also akaashi and iwa (and oikawa and samu and literslly everyone also daichi and-)

Least shippable character? jason and asahi ... whoops (jason bc i hc his as aroace lol) also like arthur curry like :/

[youdothetalking]

HEY.. the rant about s5.. im askin

its a very bad way to conclude a podcast overall so heres literally all the reasons y.

also disclaimer to all of my tma mutuals these r my OPINIONS n if u say that they rnt true ur 100% right god bless.

⚠️SPOILERS BTWWWW ⚠️

anyways.

1. theres no drama or diversity to the statements like there was before. each statement was unique n different n if u described an episode to me id probably b able to say OH I RMBR THAT ONE !!! thats not the case with this szn

2. I HATE THIS PLOT DEVICE SO MUCH. ITS THE SAME THING AS KILLING OFF CHARACTERS JUST TO BRING THEM BACK. y start the apocalypse just to smite the guy who tricked u into starting it ??? wouldnt it b much more interesting to watch jm learn to adapt than to try to change it ?? id love to know new life in hell !! id love it !! speaking of which

3. JONNY DOESNT KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH HIS WELL WRITTEN CHARACTERS. [allegedly.] i hate jon as a protagonist bc i find him DREADFUL n martin has been nothing but another name to me [tho he does have his moments. hes a very funny character.] BUT GEORGIE IS RIGHT. THERE. MELANIE IS RIGHT. THERE. its not the format ik to switch up narrators unless its a statement but I WANNA KNOW WHAT THE APOCALYPSE THAT FEEDS OFF OF FEAR N THAT GATHERS INFORMATION THRU HUMAN EYES is like with two characters WHO R FEARLESS N BLIND . I CANT B THE ONLY ONE RIGHT ??

4. melanies blindness btw ?? huge. huge. this is the same point. u have a disabled character who hasnt given a single fuck since she was first introduced n u sideline her ?? the only canonically disabled character for miles n jon doesnt know where she is ?? an all seeing being doesnt know whats going on with a real live living breathing human person ?? tell me that isnt a cop out rn istg

5. i dont go to new episodes wanting to know how all of this ties up, im sitting there wishing smth cool would happen. when jon first smited the not!them THAT WAS AMAZING. RADICAL. THE ONLY EXCITING THING THAT HAD HAPPENED SO FAR. n then everything turned boring again. martins lonely episode ?? boring. meeting basira ??? BORINGNFJDJ PLSS I DONT CARE ABT THE HUNT JUST MAKE SMTH HAPPEN JONNY I BEG

6. the umbrella was kind of funny actually ngl but also jons getting annoying. i nvr rlly liked him n all of my hcs r god tier but yall better call me the most patient bitch the way i put up with him for 4 szns. n now hes an all knowing smart ass who i want to punch in the face everytime he speaks.

7. SPEAKING OF. JON IS A FUCKING COWARD. Y DIDNT HE SQUARE UP WITH SIMON RIGHT THEM N THERE. FUCK JONS LITTLE WEAK BABIE ASS HE HASNT THROWN A SINGLE PUNCH THE WHOLE SHOW

anyways yea so im not a fan of szn five. SZN THREE THO ?? LETS GET INTO IT !!

[batsbirdsandspeedstersohmy]

prinxiety fanfic

pinxiety (prince X anxiety) is pretty new and the fanfics can be hard to find so I made a list of all the fanfic I know of if you know anymore please add them to the list.

Learning to Cope with Your Feelings by Twenty_One_Screamers

summery: "Was that closet door open when I came in? I'm sure it was..... Right?"Anxiety is terrified and needs some comfort. •3•DISCLAIMER: All characters belong to Thomas Sanders and the story cover is not mine! Wattpad

When love collides by FANFICSYAY111

summery: Anxiety was always destined to be with Prince Thomas, but they have always avoided eachother until one fateful incident. What will happen to their relationship as they continue to collide their differences? What secrets will be revealed from their past?~Read to find out the adventure in Thomas' brain of Prinxiety~ wattpad

When The Prince Met Anxiety (Prince x Anxiety)  by KawaiiKokoro

summery: Two clashing skies A misunderstood thunder storm and a sunset that wants to be friendsCharacters belong to Thomas Sanders wattpad

Personality- Anxiety X Prince (Thomas Sanders) by jishwadunisjishwafun

summery: Thomas sanders has many personalities. Such as Dad, Anxiety, Prince, Logical, and more. But what is the saying? Opposites attract! Anxiety tends to losen up around prince and acts like he hates him but what happens when his secret is out? Thomas knows when every one of his personalities has a crush. So will he keep the secret? wattpad

Incapable of holding back // Prinxiety by TheHauntedAuthor

summery: We all think anxiety is the bad guy. He messes with Thomas and makes him think down on himself, ruining so many things that Thomas can accomplish... But do we really know the whole truth? Thomas isn't in the best current mental state. He lives in a crappy apartment, working three terrible jobs just to make sure he has food in the fridge every week. And who does every one of Thomas' emotions blame? Anxiety..(Slight Jomas, but just slight mentions of it, for those of you that don't ship Jon and Thomas)((WARNING: BOY X BOY, FLUFF, SADNESS, DEPRESSION, AND THIS IS A SHIP ON THOMAS SANDERS' EMOTIONS, DONT LIKE? DONT READ))   Wattpad

A Winter Wonderland by AussieBookworm

summery: Anxiety gets bored and decides to tease one of his favourite people. Said favourite person is feeling the Yuletide passion even when it's not winter.  AO3

Storytime by thats_gay

summery: Drabbles of the slowly budding relationship of one edgy and emotionaly unstable kiddo, and the person representing all nobility and dreams.   AO3

Saving Prince Charming by Relvich

Summary: Thomas' hopes and dreams, the brightest parts of him, were dying. How was a darkness like Anxiety even supposed to help? (...By any means necessary.)  AO3

Amnesia by Fanchibs

Summary: Thomas receives some Anxiety medication, and from there it's downhill. AO3

You Are My Sunshine by Fanchibs

Summary: Anxiety has a bad Anxiety attack, and gets lost without his sun. AO3

Mondays Covered in Glitter by Fanchibs

Summary: Anxiety wakes up one morning to find that this Monday isn't quite what he expected it to be. AO3

Opposites Attract by JayCKx

Summary: The one where everyone thinks Prince and Anxiety hate each other, but truthfully they really, really don't. Sure, they argue about pretty much everything, but what do people always say? Opposites Attract!   AO3    and   wattpad 

Prinxiety: That's How We All Are by KingOfHearts709

Summary: Can't change it.   AO3  and   wattpad

Prinxiety: Goodnight by KingOfHearts709

Summary: Sometimes we all just need a little assurance in order to calm down. AO3  and  wattpad

My Sweet Prince by bearcantwrite

summery: He can't stand that darkly-dressed boy always bothering him. But something about his dark appeal & flirtatious nature gives the Prince butterflies in his stomach.  Wattpad

Dear happy (Thomas Sanders) by sierralyn13

summery: A collection of short stories based on the character created by Thomas Sanders. These will pretty much mainly be about Anxiety or Prince and Anxiety but the other characters will most likely make small appearances. Give me prompts and leave feedback please! Thank you :) ~Jet  wattpad

noble angst (prince X anxiety - Thomas sanders) by faceblur

summery: Because I noticed that some people have started to ship Thomas Sanders' characters Anxiety and Prince (and so have I).    Thomas is the college drop out who works at the Starbucks across the street of his apartment. He's the guy who doesn't talk to anyone unless he has to, secretly cries when watching Bambi and lives entirely on instant noodles, pizza and regret. Prince blames Anxiety for the life of Thomas Sanders. Morality does too- everyone does, actually, even Thomas himself- and he doesn't even know that these personality traits of his have personalities of their own, and are watching from the sidelines. wattpad

how? (prince x anxiety) by rawlings1905

summery: Thomas sanders Prince and anxiety characters fic.      Warning       I always forget capitals so please forgive me, I also try to avoid spelling and grammar mistakes but autocorrect likes to ruin my life.      Anyway have fun reading :) wattpad

multiple personality disorder (princiety) by faceblur

summery: Thomas has D.I.D, Disassociative Identity Disorder, also called Multiple Personality Disorder. His personalities show up quite frequently, but of course, never at the same time. Though this one fateful day Prince found a good playlist on their Itunes account by a personality called 'Anxiety'. So he writes a note to this Anxiety, so that when Anxiety shows up, he'll know of Prince's appreciation. It continues from there.  wattapad

also @prinxietys writes a few as well so if your not following them you need to.  

[greeneyedkon-el]

#disclaimer i dont hate jon#actually i used to love him when he was a kid

Hello, if you think I’m writing this to talk shit about Kon’s treament. Yeah, you guessed right, my fellow friend, because I AM.

There’s no constructive argument or elaborated reasoning behind this post, I just want to say how angry I get when I see Jon Kent getting all the spotlight while Conner gets to be in the fucking Suicide Squad. SUICIDE SQUAD! He was part of the team in Future State and we saw how fucked up his situation was. Kon wasn’t there because he likes them or had turned evil, Amada Waller coerced him into joining them. “Superman” did horrible things as stated by other characters in the same comic, he didn’t get to command Suicide Squad, Kon was just a toy. Just someone to fill Superman’s spot in Earth 3. 

It’s been years that DC treats Kon poorly. He had a good few comics, but nothing exceptional and none of them treated him properly like the 90s one did (well, characterization-wise, I mean). Conner was just young Superman and young Clark Kent. They butchered his personality.

Now he doesn’t even get to be with Superman after years of being erased from main continuity! Conner Kent is shoved into a stupid team while Jon Kent( that was created in 2015, mind you) gets to be with Superman in his comics. Jon also has a good comic with Damian and is Superman in Future State, appearing in three different comics in this event.

And don’t you dare come at me saying “well, Jon Kent had been aged up”. I know it was a bad move, but he’s still getting the spotlight while an almost 30 years old character is pushed to the side. Jon’s written as a good guy all the time. Jon was in Action Comics, Superman comic, DCeased, Supersons, three different Future State titles and in Action Comics annual. And all these appearances happened in five years of his creation. Oh, and now he has a live action version. Of course, I’m not saying it’s Jon’s fault. He has nothing to do with it because he’s a character. 

So, yeah, Kon has been treated badly by DC for many years now. And don’t get me start on the fact that everytime he shows up, Kon has a different personality. They don’t even bother to learn and read his comics. And not only him, but almost everyone from Tim’s generation has this awnful treatment. Cassie doesn’t have a solo title, didn’t show up in Future State and is pretty much forgotten. Same as Bart. 

I don’t know why DC hates them like that and this truly makes me sad because they’re my favorite team. Bart, Cassie, Kon, Cissie… They all have so much potential, but DC waste them to put new characters in the spotlight. If only they invested in Young Justice, I’m sure more people would like the team.