#did i say i love tony
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So I watched the warp effect (I am officially in my joongdunk era and I have accepted my fate). After stewing on it for a few days there is one aspect of this show that refuses to leave my mind. I am talking about the commentary on trauma and rejection explored through Jean, Kat, Alex, Captain and Tony. (All of the following is my interpretation of the show. I am not sure if some these were actually intended by the creator of the show or stuff I just made up in my head on my own. Because I have indeed done that before many times. Well this is what I got from the show whether it was intended or not.)
Jean had a traumatizing sexual experience with Alex, whereas Kat had a traumatizing rejection experience with Captain. Jean and Kat were in completely different situations, having completely different traumas that manifested in completely different ways. However, what remains the same is the fact that trauma changed them both as people. It changed the way they interact with people, and it changed the way they thought about themselves.
I believe that trauma, no matter how big or small, will change a person forever, sometimes overtly and sometimes so subtly that the people themselves don't realize it. And even if they manage to overcome that trauma and move on in life, those changes that trauma caused don't magically go away, they remain as a part of their personality. The show reflected this too.
Jean's change was very obvious, probably because till the end of the original timeline she was never able to get over her trauma. Her conversation with Kat on the rooftop of their school revealed how she lost her confidence because of her experience with Alex. Years later, it was through another conversation with Kat by the swimming pool that it was made obvious that she still hadn't regained that confidence. It was pretty obvious in the JeanKat bar scene too. Jean was never able to forgive Alex despite liking him in the original timeline, and she was never able to forget her trauma either.
Kat's change is also pretty obvious at first. She understandably felt extremely insecure and unsafe, fearing she will get attacked even though she knew Captain was in jail. It is this fear that pushes her more towards Alex and making her somewhat dependent on him. I thought it was pretty ironic that Alex was the one who caused Jean's trauma yet he is also the one healing Kat's trauma. Alex made Kat feel safe. And while I do believe that Kat did like Alex to some extent (she had been hooking up with him regularly for 10 whole years), the reason she wanted to date Alex was not because she liked him but because she felt safe with him. She was seeking security from Alex, not love. The result was that it became very difficult for her to bounce back to her previous carefree lifestyle despite still not wanting to be tied down by anyone. Even though she was able to come out of the trauma Captain caused her, her attitude towards men, especially unfamiliar men, had completely changed.
It is at this point in my essay that I must declare that Tony is my favorite character in this show. And it's not entirely because he is played by Joong. Tony healed a part of me that I was struggling with for a long time. That is why he has a very special place in my heart. It is because I haven't found a Tony in real life that I am still single. (Yes, I am pushing the blame of my forever singleness on a fictional character I just found recently.) (Yes, before that I blamed it on other fictional men I didn't like half as much as I like Tony.)
My most favorite scene in this show is the one where Jean rejects Tony after trying to sleep with him. The way Jean reacted after reliving her trauma, the way Tony immediately picked up on her discomfort, the way he tried to reassure her that they didn't need to sleep together despite having no idea what went wrong, the way this reassurance did nothing to comfort Jean. The rejection from Jean, especially after she had been the initiator of the whole situation, was surely very hurtful for Tony and also a huge blow to his ego. Yet, he had the kindness and patience to let Jean say everything she wanted to say to him. He also had the empathy to wish her well when he still had no idea what she was struggling with. I also love that he left immediately after instead of trying to stay and comfort Jean. She told him to leave, and he did. No questions asked. And he managed to do all of that while being in a very vulnerable situation.
I feel like I have to mention the CaptainKat rejection scene even though I really don't want to. It made me way too uncomfortable. Let's just say that the main reason Captain lashed out at Kat was that he couldn't heal his bruised ego. I will never understand how you could hit someone you apparently like enough to want to date them.
Moving on to another scene I really liked, the bedroom scene with Kat and Tony. Actually, Kat and Tony happen to be my favorite pairing from this show. I find their dynamics to be very interesting. I kind of want a Kat and Tony spinoff where it shows how their relationship progressed in the original timeline. Kat and Tony hooking up was to be expected after their first encounter at the bar. Tony clearly found Kat attractive, and he was clearly intrigued by her attitude (my man has a type and I don't fit that at all, so I would be single even if Tony was real). If he had not been pursuing Jean at the time, and if he had not been the loyal type, he would have totally hooked up with Kat. But if that had happened, Kat would probably not trust him as much. I refuse to believe Tony's respect for the person he was actively pursuing was unrelated to Kat's decision to keep sleeping with Tony.
Anyway back to the bedroom scene. This entire conversation was so interesting to me. At this point, TonyKat had been hooking up for a while and become quite close to each other. But their relationship was not exclusive and Kat was sleeping with other people too like she always did. And now Tony was starting to like Kat enough to want to date her and he wanted to let her know that. Tony's opening for this conversation was to ask Kat how many people she was sleeping with currently. Her answer was no one except Tony. I fully believe that if she did have other sleeping partners, the rest of the conversation would not have happened. Tony would have ended the conversation there. Maybe he would revisit this topic sometime in the future, maybe he wouldn't. But certainly their relationship would have progressed very diffetently.
Back to the conversation, Kat reveals that she stopped sleeping with other guys because they all always end up wanting to date. She keeps coming back to Tony because with him she can come and go freely as she pleases. This part of the conversation shows how much Kat trusts Tony. Later on in the conversation when Tony expresses his willingness to date her, she doesn't seem all that surprised. Nor does she seem wary of him. Which I find very interesting because in this very conversation she talked about ditching guys because they wanted more from her. I believe that the reason she is so chill about the whole thing is her trust in Tony. I think she trusts that he will always respect her decision no matter what. Which makes me very curious about what happened between them from their first hook up to this point. She seemed willing to consider the possibility of dating Tony. She even asked him to get her food. Which I found very interesting considering she refused to eat with Captain because it went against her hook up rules. So why do the rules not apply to Tony? What happened to make her like him so much? What made her trust him so much? And what made Tony like her so much in the first place? Because not that long ago he liked Jean, and he seemed to like her a lot. I really want a spinoff of their story. At this rate I will end up writing a fanfiction for myself.
This started as a discussion on trauma and somehow ended up being an exploration of the TonyKat relationship. Oh well. It is what it is.
#the warp effect#did i say i love tony#i also really like kat#i woke up too early and couldn't go back to sleep so i wrote an essay#i am way too invested in the tonykat dynamics#i have a feeling i will end up writing about them again
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always there ... unchanging ...
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#tony can say sketchbook is just like chester . but the truth of it is much more shocking#y'know . you become the person that you needed at your lowest point . etcetera etcetera#also hey coffin fans . did you miss chester ? i sure did#i need to draw him more#although it's difficult given his uhh#situation ...#ahaha ...#i love drawing his and tony's fucked up lil teeth#they're so bad at dental care <33 [totally not projected that onto them or smth]#dhmis#dhmis art#dhmis au#high voltage au#dhmis tony#tony the talking clock#dhmis hv tony#dhmis coffin#dhmis hv chester#dhmis sketchbook#dhmis hv sketchbook#doodle#digital doodle#my love for them is NEVER ENDING#I NEED TO SQUEEZE THEM. I REALLY REALLY DO.#i don't even CARE that this is gonna flop so bad . I LOVE THEM REGARDLESS !!!!
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#nbd just choni mirroring one of the most iconic teen drama love confessions of all time
#*#choni#choniedit#cheryl x toni#pjo#pjoedit#pacey x joey#riverdale#riverdaleedit#dawson's creek#dawsonscreekedit#chonicentral#chonidaily#otpsource#useroptional#userotp#listen i know comparing choni to a het white ship is Bad but they did 'you think or you know' and i had to#choni out here being one of the greatest love stories of our time it's cool i'm fine#also just saying dawson's creek was vastly less difficult to color than i imagined
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Bbg you're the silliest goose ever
#IM SOBBING#/J#I'D NEVER SAY THAT#i mean now I did#WHATEVER#get ptv trending#ptv#pierce the veil#jaime preciado#tony perry#vic fuentes#bandom#post hardcore#i love ptv
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Lady Gaga is so cool, she literally just does whatever she wants. Mainstream pop, then weird albums, an Oscar-winning movie/soundtrack, two jazz albums, now she’s apparently in her Dolly Parton era? Every time I hear something new about her I have to be impressed
#I say this as someone who is not her “fan”#I like some of her songs and yk obviously I had to like “Die With A Smile” (it’s so good y’all)#and I like how she did two albums with Tony Bennett and I love “Always Remember Us This Way”#but I just think it’s cool how she’ll literally dabble in anything and everything#elly's posts
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OH OH OH OH OH FULL NAME FULL NAME AKANE KISHIDA
I figured she was the one to get in touch first based on Jo knowing she wanted to see her son, but I have SO many questions about that... how does she know her son survived... how does she know Ichiban was her son and not Aoki... how does she know who Jo is and how to contact Jo... (<- tearing my hair out as we speak)
Anyway when you have the opportunity please view the gameplay footage...
obsessed how its addressed to Mr. Jo Sawashiro i dont know why that detail tickles me... thats cute..
chicken-and-egg kinda deal with Who Contacted Who first. like id ASSUME sawashiro'd get in contact with her first if he was feeling guilty enough about The Whole Situation and was willing to dig into arakawa's past imo, esp since akane wouldn't have any reason (or ability to) know who he was until after he joins the yakuza.. and i mean.. shes long gone by then.. tho that's assuming they got in contact early on and they didnt JUST start communicating within the past few years.
BUT EITHER WAY just gotta wait and see for it all to play out.. in three months <- still cant believe its coming out january 26th 👁️💋👁️
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IM OBSESSED WITH THE GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE im soooo glad i was right in how they were going to handle the style change aspect (though i guess it wasnt a hard thing to predict but still..). I LOVE HOW KIRYU CAN ACTUALLY ROAM FREE THAT'S SO COOL i remember people kept speculating on how the gameplay was gonna go with how different ichi and kiryu's playstyles are and this is SUUCH a rad way to answer that question. my excitement is immeasurable and im gonna throw up
#snap chats#lest i neglect chitose's fighting style looks SICK. the neck stomp did remind me of juri han sorry im sick in the head EITHER WAY#the ballet skills... explains why she seems so skinny tbh. like maybe im delusional but i feel like her model is Extra slim yk#i hope im right... oh but speaking of diversity i love how they got people speaking english#Typical Westerner Answer Is Typical IM JUST SAYING its a nice immersion aspect. also im nosy let me eavesdrop#-5 points on the immersion aspect for the fact katy didnt immediately apologize after ichi bumps into her#any american would start profusely apologizing excuse you. BUT SPEAKING OF MOVEMENT#maybe its too early to make this assessment but i like how more concise ichi's walking is#back in Y7 one issue i had was just how.. not 'slippery' he was but it certainly felt like his shoes didnt have any traction#but now he seems to walk more precisely. hope im right....#crazy eats looks so fun... they have no idea who theyre playin with when my dumbass has all these tony hawk and jet set radio hours#im rambling on too much i still have to answer your other ask LMAO thank you for writin in an sendin the gameplay demo :]
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New Scotland Yard: The Money Game (2.10, LWT, 1972)
"Incidentally, I've been looking up that fraud case Audrey was involved in with Freddie Larch, the time he got nicked."
"Oh, what about it?"
"Well, I think your friend's an even nastier piece of work than we give him credit for."
"Very likely. What's that got to do with Phil Horden?"
"Not much. Except nothing's ever quite as simple as it looks."
#new scotland yard#the money game#1972#classic tv#lwt#bill turner#basil dawson#frank williams#john woodvine#john carlisle#derek smith#pauline delaney#michael balfour#kevork malikyan#noel davis#john dunbar#carolyn jones#john rapley#peter vaughan clarke#tony kirby dignam#jacqueline holborough#well we did a hippy episode; time for a comedy episode. another staple of 70s uk cop shows‚ and actually i have to say this is one of the#better pitched examples: too often shows like this one would produce some throwaway goofy episode that sat incredibly awkwardly within the#series as a whole‚ but this is a very gentle type of wry humour instead of overt nonsense. the case is counterfeit money‚ which as Ward#points out‚ is rather below Kingdom's lofty chief super (but then it's a comic ep‚ it could hardly be a spree killer...). lovely Pauline#Delaney and lovely Derek Smith are the forgers‚ but the script works so hard at making them likeable (and succeeds!) that it's genuinely#disappointing when they're caught. once again to give the show its due‚ this is acknowledged in the ending (Kingdom regrets that 'nice#people' are being punished where nastier sorts are rewarded). we also get a little bit of Ward lore: he evidently lives with his mother (or#at the very least he holidays with her)‚ he can't see without his glasses‚ and the prospect of having his hair cut appears to horrify him#bad luck Ward‚ who does indeed suffer a trim this ep (and gets a fake tash into the bargain). small lore but lore nonetheless!
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AND FOR THE WOMEN AS WELL, WWE AND AEW JUST KEEP ON FEEDING US😈
(In response to my other post with male wrestlers)
#i did. one with homoerotic male tag teams that people love why not do it for women wrestlers that ppl love😈#🥰🥰🥰#kris statlander#rhea ripley#iyo sky#mercedes martinez#toni storm#shayna baszler#chelsea green#sonya deville#these posts are mainly aimed at me when I say l for the gays💀💀#anyways happy early rainbow month🤙
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I did it, I've watched season 2 ;-;
Some things still have me feeling uneasy, but I liked it. I still need to process everything though. Specially..., there are three things that I don't get:
If the branches die without the time loom, what was there before HWR build it? Agamotto?
Loki learned how to control time like he learned how to enchant people's minds? If so, he truly was more powerful than what he believed.
Does Sylvie's tempad (previously HWR's tempad) still work? Can she reach the citadel at the end of time? Can she go where Loki is now?
#loki series#loki season 2#this time i was prepared so the end didn't hurt as much as it did the end of season 1. but the more i think about the last 2 episodes...#i'm begging marvel to give loki a true break. not a i will rest when i die kind of break. a true happy ending for once!#oh yeah. he is one of the most powerful and important characters atm! AND WHAT'S THAT FOR! gamora. natasha. tony...#how many more “heroic” sacrifices do we need? that's the essense of a hero? the sacrificies they provide?#i'm getting carried away... i don't think i love tragedies that much...#i gotta say that i will have plot rabbits to follow for a long while though. will write some ideas down before they banish
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Match programme from Arsenal vs Luton as part of the 1945-46 Football League South, the first season of peacetime football since England entered World War II. The league continued in a regional format for one last season before returning to the pre-war league structure in 1946-47.
#why did i make this post lmao#arsenal fc#footieposting#i've been doing the postwar wikipedia pages. and hopefully finishing today#this dude on this one arsenal website repeatedly says that arsenal won the 1944-45 fl south cup which they did not...or anything else#so i'm sad at him bc i love his website thank u mr tony attwood#this isn't even one of the top match programmes i've looked at i was just like ok lets post THIS one
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extremely bad faith mandalorian takes, do not engage please i cannot stop hysterically laughing at this season and thus am incapable of level-headed discourse. these are just words I want to write down to see if they look as unbelievable as they sound in my head
my favorite telltale sign of the embarrassing s3 story optics is their like. genuinely hilarious ostrich-neck-in-the-sand rehash of past story arcs down to the aesthetic fucking beats. that's the shit sandwich that really gets me in this whole stank buffet. It is astonishing. Like there was genuinely nothing else they could come up with as to not upset the status quo of their fickle, marketable story limbo, and so they, and I cannot stress this part enough, ignored established character progression beats and just did them again. they just did them again. from the top, using shockingly similar payoffs, right in front of our own eyes. and I just sat there and ate it!!
din has to re-love his toxic death cult after clearly progressing away from their value systems cause he's cooler with that helmet always on. gotta keep the limbo going. his main north star, set up as his way out of said cult, gets recruited into it instead, completely defanging the possibility of interrogating the entire bedrock of trauma and insecurity that kept uncomfortably clashing with his expressions of love and humanity in the past. now they're all one big happy gel of a Cool Dude With Gun and Kid. gotta keep the limbo going.
at some point he also has to re-learn his droid prejudices to then re-unlearn them again, a couple of times even, for no discernible thematic reason other than to make him act like an ass to some type of botched working class allegories (??? the fuck is going on with droids this season in general??). gotta keep the limbo going.
grogu, meanwhile, has to re-earn a mandalorian piece of armor to re-reinforce his allegiance (and here I was thinking the rond would be a pulpy setup for some shot-dead-fake-out but how can chekov's anything exist in this mangled mess), cause mandalorian culture is a live service videogame of tiered ranks now, so the potential upgrades are conveniently endless. gotta keep the limbo going. speaking of their culture, he also, hilariously, has to then be re-adopted by din to re-reveal their paternal bond and re-dramatize their love. cause he's not a foundling anymore, see; he's an apprentice now! the words are different. that makes the emotional meaning reset also. I know this from film school. audiences have no object permanence, right? they're all fish? we're writing this show for fucking fish, right? like in the aquariums? gotta keep the limbo going.
and they just keep doing this. they will dress it all up with technicalities and loud Plot Noise but it is all emotionally the same exact shit that has already happened and it is making me feel insane. same exact payoffs for backpedaled setups that were already, for all storytelling purposes, finished and done away with. it is comical. they're telling nothing. non-stories and recursive sisyphean plotlines that reset primitive character arcs every five episodes like it's the most unmoored bermuda triangle-ass time loop in space. you cannot even really twist it into some type of harmless expression in lieu of episodic TV, or even something more campy, cause like. it does have a rapidly progressing plotline about big and overarching stuff, stuff that is holistic, linear, and goal-oriented, like retaking homeworlds and reforging their broken nation and fighting mr gideon man. it's not a weekly detective romp with B plots galore, not anymore at least. but the characters somehow start and end in the same spots they always were. like the big ole smoking fucking gun that that is.
it feels like the most clear-cut example of plot moving forward - at breakneck speed sometimes - while characters progress either backwards or just. like. sideways and then back again?? almost like dropping a teabag into an empty mug and calling it a beverage. I see the pretty taste-making ingredient sitting sadly at the bottom there, but where's the substance? what is this all for? to wank it to how cool mandalorians look when they fly? I mean they can be pretty cool, no argument there. but some of them could be cooler if they felt things deeply and that changed them, fundamentally. you know, how A-to-B storytelling does sometimes.
and I am achingly aware that I am aging out of this show's target audience, I know that. but the death by comparison within the same bloody show's adjacent seasons is just as harrowing. what happened. it just worked too good is what. a corporation responsible for telling a myth will never allow it to finish if it suddenly starts hemorrhaging this much money. grogu and din can't progress, even aesthetically, past their season 1 selves, no matter how much that same season's story was setting them up to. cause inscrutable sad dad and cute doll baby combo. we'll either throw away those story hooks or keep resetting them. keep the limbo going.
groundhog day-ass show. it's hysterical. I can't be normal about how mask-off blatant this all is now.
and to follow this up to andor of all things. really clinches it, you know. no notes. just no notes, disney. tens across the board
#i know i am being very unkind here but let me have this okay? this is my gremlin blog and I really REALLY liked the first season#and I childishly hold on to star wars and it's breaking apart at the seams#and I AM part of the problem but I'm also hopelessly in love with it. i also had a very bad day.#i deserve this is what I'm saying. this was bad and I wanna see it written down so it maybe feels less insane#looking at it now and. it's not! it is. pretty wild that they did this season this way#this is the most live service show in existence#tony gilroy i am counting on you. please make this right#text#negativity#long post
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Steve is most likely to end up in a lavender marriage and Tony's most likely to end up in a “married for tax/immigration/inheritance fraud” reasons.
They meet as married men and pine for each other hardcore and are also trying not to read too much into how their interest seems reciprocated and oh nooooo both Immigration/the IRS and the the Church/in-laws/DADT era army dudes or whatever are snooping around at the same time at each of their marriages and they have to be so good at being married at the people they are married to oh noooooo and they other guy doesn’t know why they are suddenly being iced out and maybe they were just imagining things? maybe it’s for the best with all these eyes around on them…
#not to get too real but i love queer people. we see each other and we save each other#i wish i could talk in depth about this lgbtq history panel i went to tonight without doxxing myself#but basically all of these panelists were older gay ppl & one of them won a very monumental court case in the state#and right after introductions one of the other panelists turned to her and thanked her so profusely for the sacrifices she had made#and the work she did to win that case#and that by achieving that win for herself she paved the way for this other panelist to have her own family recognized legally by the state#i don't know i'm not explaining it well but something about knowing and seeing that gratitude in real time. understanding so viscerally tha#so much of our history has happened within one or two lifetimes. to the point that many of the champions of our current rights are alive#today for us to learn from and listen to and THANK#i met two nb ppl through school last year and have since become very close to them#they are the only two ppl on this planet who use my pronouns the way i want them to be used. they switch it up every time and i love them#a little bit more each time i hear them talk about me. it's magical#my childhood best friend told me he liked boys and girls like a month after we first met each other in the fourth grade#he told me there's a word for that; he's bisexual#i think abt how incredible that was a lot. how brave he was to say that and to own that and how long it might have taken me to figure#out that i was the same had he not said it.#anyway all this to say that yes absolutely i love this#steve and tony meet at a military gala. steve's being recognized for his service and tony and his wife were invited by some higher-up who#imagined he could use the event as a way to cozy up to him and earn some good favor before negotiations start on SI's contract renewal#their eyes meet while steve's up on stage. he hates these things. hates being dragged into the spotlight. he feels naked and bare and#vulnerable every time. trapped in enemy territory with no cover. but he sucks it up he kisses his wife on the cheek and she smiles#big and beautiful; perfect like they've run their lines 1000 times over. like they could recite each other's parts by heart#he makes his way to the podium. breathes deep to center himself before he launches into his thankless thank-yous. steve's a terrible liar#but somehow he's made it this far in his career. he can manage for one more night. except#right as he lifts his eyes to speak he sees him. bright eyes burning into his from a shadowed table in the corner. the brass speaking at hi#on his left and a lovely woman who's bored and unimpressed on his right. and him looking directly back at steve#steve's breath catches and he chokes on air. trips on his lines. forgets himself and loses the beat of the scene#he looks down at his notes and ignores them. raises his face to the light and plays himself to be seen by an audience of one.#anon#signed sealed delivered
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we rewatched mr america last night and omfg tim's complete and utter dread upon hearing that gregg is at the townhall debate, he almost seems scared. tho i truly feel that gregg was only there to give the producers the shaggy da vhs he made and then ended up having to sit because the event started. i dont even think it would have devolved into fighting if tim hadnt brought up RUNNING THE VICTORVILLE FILM CENTER like how could gregg ever let that slide
#i feel somewhat confident in saying mr america era is probably the lowest point in their relationship#love tims complete lack of ability to stop himself from fighting with gregg#toni cant believe it#i would love to know tonis perspective on their relationship#like did she even know that he and tim had been doing a film show together?
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au where all the avengers live together in the tower/compound and one day nat and clint discover fan fiction and they're scrolling through ao3 laughing at the summaries and the tags of fics about the avengers and they find a fic that looks??? shockingly accurate to their actual life??? so they open it up and it's like a thousand words or so and it's an actual thing that happened to them? like, almost word-for-word, albeit with a few minor embellishments? and it's an embarrassing thing that happened to them, too, which is even worse.
but whatever. it's a fairly mundane conversation. it could have been a coincidence. so they keep looking through the fics, and there's another one that's exactly like something that happened to them. so they decide to check out the author's page, and, lo and behold, ThorsNumberOneHater has hundreds of fics, and they're all pretty much exact retellings of embarrassing things that have happened to the avengers.
oh, on a completely unrelated note, did I mention that Loki lives with them?
#loki gets an ao3 account and he uses it to shit on the avengers#he has like 10k subscribers and his fics are super popular#and everyone gushes about how this is exactly what they think the avengers would be like#and pretty much the only time he ever responds to comments is when people say things like ''haha tony's so funny''#and loki just goes ''no he's not.''#and if you did far enough back you'll find a comment where someone goes ''lol I love thor''#and loki replies ''me too :)'' and it is the only positive thing he has ever said about any of the avengers in his fics or comments#(which is ironic given his chosen username)#back on my bullshit
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The Avengers (1963) #29
#I went back and checked her original appearances as an Iron Man villain in Tales of Suspense (1959)#and this issue is notably the first time Natasha has been portrayed as brainwashed#originally she was motivated by genuine loyalty to the Soviet Union#as well as fear of punishment for disobedience or failure#and she was initially just manipulating Hawkeye but then she developed genuine feelings for him#and from there she no longer wanted to serve the Soviet Union#but she did because they threatened her parents#though I noticed that in her first appearance#before Tony realized she was a villain#he thought ‘What a cold woman she is! So unmoved by all this excitement!’#and then at the end he says ‘All that beauty outside… but inside… nothing!!’#which is very similar to how Clint characterizes her here and ‘cold’ ‘distant’ and ‘unemotional’#and this is reminiscent to me of Natasha’s characterization in flashbacks in Black Widow: Deadly Origin (2010)#where it was emphasized that she wasn’t yet a whole person#and her face was sometimes drawn with a blank expression#also I’m kind of charmed by how clearly Clint’s love for Natasha is purely physical attraction#marvel#natasha romanoff#clint barton#my posts#comic panels
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I like googling things and getting uppity about them so have some more superhero I Did Not Expect That Timeline:
Iron man: debuted in 1963
Spiderman: debuted 1962
Captain America: 1942
Like cap was made during ww2, we been knew, but these are the big 3 of Marvel and it's bonkers to think there's a full TWO DECADES between him and Spidey. And iron man!!! Came AFTER SPIDERMAN!!
Never in a million years would I have guessed that. Spidey's legacy is older than Tony Starks, if only by a year. Bonkers.
Spidey was the first child hero, one who wasn't a sidekick (did you know Bucky was originally a teen sidekick?? Winter Soldier?!)
On the dc side of things Superman enters the scene in 1938, Captain Marvel in 1939, and Robin becomes the first child sidekick all the way in 1940. That's still - crazy, Robin is older than cap America by a good two years.
#Still stuck on the 'Spidey was here before iron man' thing#Especially since mcu completely revamped his personality to make him idolise and rely on Tony#Spidey is entirely self made and a world genius who built everything he uses FROM SCRATCH#Mcu made it so he'll never be Tony's equal and it's really annoying but I love him anyway#Also Ned and Michelle instead of Harry and Mary Jane and no photography but it's FINE >:(#What can I say I'm a huge Spidey fan and Tom did a great job with him but he needs to sass people more often XD#spiderman#iron man#captain america#peter parker#tony stark#steve rogers
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