#delusional misidentification

[yorkiegregg]

Does anyone else get this thing with their delusions where, even if they didn’t necessarily wholeheartedly hold the delusion at the time in the past - you (present-state) will look back at your past and skew it as if you did?

I remember I used to acknowledge my ability to transform into a dog when I was very young, where it was therefore typical for kids to have “mythical thinking” if you will. But when I hit like.. 10-12/13 I stopped having said acknowledgment. I didn’t think I could transform iirc (psychosis makes memories fucking BLURRED), but then after - I’d say 13 - I wholeheartedly started having that acknowledgment again, ie: “I started believing the ‘false reality’ again”. (Gah, I hate even typing that but that’s the only way to make it make sense to others).

But my point here is that I will frequently look back at myself when I was in that time-period where the delusion was dormant, and I’ll still somehow remember transforming and being a dog at the time. I just didn’t believe it at the time I suppose? It’s all so confusing but this is just what I literally know, agh…

[hauntedselves]

I have a question if you don't mind me asking.

Can someone's parts in a DID system have different types of delusional misidentification syndrome?

For example, say one part has mirror self misidentification whilst another has delusional companion syndrome?

answering this ask here too:

hiya , i have a question if ya dont mind answering . in OSDDID systems can only a few parts have clinical lycanthropy ? or is it a all or nothing thing ?

it depends what's causing the DMS. DMSs are different from other psychotic disorders / syndromes since they're very often caused by a physical factor, like a brain tumor or a TBI. so if the DMS is caused by a neurological disorder like dementia, or a psychological disorder with a biological component like schizophrenia, it'd be more likely that all alters would have it, as the biological aspects of those disorders affects the entire body.

if there's no biological basis for the DMS, then i think it would be possible for one part to have a DMS while others don't / have a different one.

with clinical zoanthropy specifically, you need to be careful that you're not confusing alters that are animals (as is common in DID), or alters that are therianthropes with CZ. it gets pretty confusing - some nonhuman alters are so disconnected from their shared body that they believe their shared body is also nonhuman. working on lessening dissociative barriers will help with this, though if they actually do have CZ it won't (because it's delusional, not dissociative). therianthropes, on the other hand, recognise their body as human and know their animal identity is only internal.

[the-exanimate-nebula]

as a psychotic person who experiences a "delusional attachment" (for lack of a better word, i suppose) it is genuinely so disheartening to learn the coined term's roots and community. fuckin ew, dude. it was so nice to have a word for a genuine delusional experience i have and then to see what it's linked to, and how other psychotic people feel about it,,, super upsetting

[were-candy-gutz]

Let's not "call out" alterhuman folks who have physical identities. I have a delusion, to me this is physical. I'm not spreading misinfo or being a predator by existing as a delusional being.

[the-idea]

Karl Leonhard's summary of fantastic paraphrenia, a type of systematic schizophrenia

in the WKL classification of endogenous psychoses, systematic schizophrenias are a group of psychoses with a continuous course (i.e., not relapsing-remitting or episodic like manic depression) and the poorest prognosis. they have a low level of heredity and Leonhard proposed that they were caused by environmental factors. paraphrenias specifically are a group of systematic schizophrenias characterized by thought disorder and delusions.

of particular interest here is the fact that this form of paraphrenia constitutes a delusional misidentification syndrome, described about 6 or 7 years before that term was coined.

transcript:

Fantastic paraphrenia is an equally hallucinatory and delusional form of schizophrenia. Sensations, often grotesquely described, are conspicuous. Visual as well as auditory hallucinations belong to the clinical picture. Especially characteristic of fantastic paraphrenia are scenic experiences in which the visual element predominates, although auditory and somatopsychic components may also be present. Horrible things are often hallucinated, for example, the torture or murder of many people. This is in itself a fantastic trait. Peculiar ideas are regularly expressed by the patients. These ideas typically are not at all limited by natural law or normal experience, and thus appear absurd. Similarly illogical is misidentification of people in the surroundings who are most frequently confused with famous personalities. Likewise ideas of grandeur have an absurd character in that the patients often raise themselves to incredibly high social positions. But they draw no consequences from their megalomania and cooperate in institutional life. If their ideas are ridiculed or if they are otherwise irritated they may flare up, but the affect is never deep. Nevertheless they maintain an interest in the events around them and in their families. In their overall attitude they remain natural. When presenting their fantastic ideas they may seem to be somewhat confused, but questioning does produce clarity in their thought processes. Further examination including intelligence testing reveals that the characteristic feature of their thought disorder is derailment.

source: Classification of endogenous psychoses and their differential etiology (Leonhard, 1999)

[hauntedselves]

The Continuum of Delusional Misidentification

Sno (1994) suggests that Delusional Misidentification Syndromes (DMSs) exist on a continuum, from normal -> slightly abnormal (mild) -> abnormal (severe; delusional).

In this diagram he shows that Cotard's delusion exists as a severe form of depersonalisation, and reduplicative paramnesia as a severe form of déjà vu. "Differentiation is based on the severity of the disturbance of reality testing."

We can assume that this can apply to other forms of DMSs; for example delusional companion syndrome (DCS) might exist on a spectrum from animism to DCS.

Sno, Herman N., 'A Continuum of Misidentification Symptoms', Psychopathology, 1994, pp. 144-147.

[quietedgod]

thinking abt this THIRTEEN YEAR OLD’S fucking delusion list.... oh my hgod..

[ran-amami]

i'm looking for my friends, i have a d/a to rantaro amami and it's been really hard to adjust without everyone. i don't really use tumblr so i'm not really sure how to use it but if you are one of my friends, (d/a or fictive preferably but kin works too) please reach out. i primarily use discord to message so just dm me and i can send you my @. i'm looking for anyone, but especially kiyo and tenko, i have memories from before the killing game as well as within it. the only two i ask to dni are kokichi and shuichi, thank you

[theonlysmartone]

Hey! Just a little reminder

If you are Otherkin, etc. And you are in belief of only you being an identity, only being the "real one", unable to say you are physically not the identity, please see look into delusions.

It's not bad to have an identity affected by delusions, but it can be dangerous to mix up these two.

- SS (A Delusional system ^^)

[hauntedselves]

Introduction to: Delusional Misidentification Syndrome

What is Delusional Misidentification Syndrome?

Delusional misidentification syndrome (DMS) is an umbrella term for a collection of delusions that involve misidentifying a person, object, place, body part, or the delusional person themselves.

DMSs are associated with neurological trauma, dissociation, and schizophrenic disorders.

Types of DMSs

DMSs typically involve misidentifying one of three things: the self, the other, and/or the place.

The self: These delusions involve the misidentification of the person themselves, or a part of their body.

The other: These delusions involve the misidentification of other people, pets, or objects.

The place: These delusions involve the misidentification of places or locations.

The Self

Mirrored self misidentification is the delusion that the person's reflection is someone else.

Syndrome of subjective doubles is the delusion that the person has a double (doppelgänger / clone) of themselves acting independently.

Cotard('s) delusion / syndrome is the delusion that the person, or parts of their body or organs, are dead, dying, or don't exist. Most people with this delusion have severe depression.

Clinical lycanthropy is the delusion that the person has turned, or is turning, into an animal. It can be considered a type of reverse intermetamorphosis.

The Place

Reduplicative paramnesia is the belief that a place or location (or, rarely, an object, person, or part of the body) as having been copied, existing in two places at the same time, or moved to a different location. Most case studies involve people reporting the hospital they are in is in their home town, when it isn't. "Paramnesia" is commonly called déjà vu.

The Other

Capgras delusion is the delusion that someone close to the person, such as a friend, family member, or a pet, has been replaced with an identical imposter.

Fregoli delusion is the delusion that other people are actually the same person in disguise. Capgras and Fregoli delusions often co-exist.

Intermetamorphosis is the delusion that other people can change their appearance and personality at will, pretending to be the person they are basing themselves off.

Delusional companion syndrome (DCS) is the delusion that objects (often stuffed toys) are sentient, and have their own sense of self, wants and needs.

What can be done for a person with DMS?

Option 1: Nothing. Psychotic people can live happy lives without any intervention!

Option 2: Therapy. This can include either accepting the delusion / going along with it, or trying to change it. It can be used in combination with pharmacotherapy (medication).

Option 3: Pharmacotherapy. Antipsychotics and other medication can help reduce symptoms. It can be used in combination with talk therapy.

No matter what choice the person makes (and it should be up to the person), the desired outcome is reducing suffering (which might not mean trying to stop or slow the psychosis) and increasing their quality of life.

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[sleepytime-bun]

i just want you all to know that i know im a horrible person in my source,, im deeply disguasted by myself for what ive done but please understand that im very different to the ‘canon’ me, the only thing simmilar between me and the asshole me is the way we look