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au where itachi actually did just Decide To Do That and tobito made up the whole story about him being ordered to bc he wanted to sic him on killer bee (and maybe snatch that yummy yummy kotoamatsukami) so when sasuke shows up at the summit and demands danzou explain himself danzou has no fucking clue what he's talking about
#naruto#naruto shippuden#uchiha sasuke#uchiha itachi#uchiha obito#shimura danzou#sasuke: IS IT TRUE#danzou: ....is this about hiruzen and i? bc this seems like a bit of an overreaction#sasuke: overreaction my ass IS IT TRUE#danzou: uh yes? but only on the desk#sasuke: what tf do you mean ''only on the desk''???#danzou: what. what do YOU mean#sasuke: murdering my whole family#danzou: ohhhhh ok i thought you were asking about- yeah no this makes much more sense. also wasn't that your brother#sasuke: yeah. did you tell him to tho#danzou: ????????????? no???? wtf kid#sasuke: ....ok *leaves*#torune: sir with all due respect what the fuck was that#danzou: i have no fucking idea. gotta say tho this is kinda a nice feeling#fuu: sir?#danzou: being accused of something i DIDN'T do. usually when people yell at me about stuff it's stuff i actually did#torune & fuu: ...#danzou: so yeah this is a nice change of pace. anyway i think i saw a building collapse over there let's go see if there are any orphans
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It's kinda funny how all the racists try to blame Tobirama in their own racism.
Uchihas aren't another race, they just the same as Senju. They all have one ancestor, and Kaguya obviously wasn't thousands and thousands years ago for evolution split up Senju and Uchiha enough.
But it so easy to make Uchiha another to blame Tobirama. So easy to change their race so Tobirama's haters can be racist as hell. (Because changing the race of character is already racist enough, ask Hollywood)
But well, my dear Tobirama's haters, I have a really bad news for you. Your the most precious Madara is racist and sexist as hell... because if you make Uchiha another race, these words are totally unforgivable.
What? No one asked him or made him, he said it by his own will. Unless Uchiha just another clan as Senju, he is racist.
Oh, what you are saying?
What Madara was the victim of Senju? So did Tobirama, his little brother Itama was killed by five Uchiha (and one of them looks Tajima-like so...)
What, Tobirama did a lot racist comments? But he didn't.
First of all, please, take a dictionary and look in it. Yes, Tobirama kinda disrespectful and discriminatory but ISN'T racist. Uchiha aren't another race as blue-eyed or raven-haired aren't another race, and not any discrimination is racism.
Secondly, he didn't said anything too much. He commented on Sasuke? Well, you all would be so happy to see the bastard that make you kill your precious student some minutes ago and now talking that this Uchiha has a question for you. You'll be furious, won't you? And Tobirama just offended them.
Actually, Sasuke did ask about his opinion and "what do you mean evil" and Tobirama calmly answered. And he is a bit respectful for their power of love!
Some haters says that he started the discrimination. Well, if they learnt the history, they would know that police&army have so important role that sometimes it's them deciding the ruler of country and government.
Did you get it? Tobirama gave Uchiha the force to stop him. He gave them a power and put them above all the Konoha's clans. He literally gave them a chance to silence Madara-2 by themselves... Because Madara-2 would be fatal for the clan's reputation like Obito did. And now it's him who started the discrimination?! Maybe it were lazy bastard Hiruzen and radical trash Danzou that twisted Tobirama's ideals, weren't they?
But that about evil part? Yeah, Tobirama is quite harsh person...
Like really harsh.
He roasts Minato for technique's name.
And he calls Minato and Naruto idiots. Poor Minato is roasted to shame and excuses.
His brother isn't exception.
What? Is it gokage meeting? Nope, it's time to roast elder brother again.
Who are you? The shinobi's ancestor? Well, it won't save you from roasting because you gave so nice advice and sooo in time! You were so helpful!
I mean I'm so in love with his harsh manners but yeah, he really talks a lot of shit because he could and who'll stop him?
So, then we know that his manners shouldn't be trusted, that we'll see in his action?
Idea of peace (and of course he is roasting his father, yeah, typical japanese respect for parents)
His respects for Madara. Yeah, he is kinda respects him and take him as example to rule as much as brother... And Hashirama is best hokage for Tobirama.
Moreover, he is glad for Hashirama's and Madara's peace, even after Madara's attack on the most precious Konoha and all 4the Shinobi's War. He smiled!
And last but not the least he wanted to save Sasuke from the death. He easily agreed with idea Uchiha inherits Hashirama's idea of Hokage and gave another example of Uchiha.
I can see why he can be hated. Yeah, he talks a lot of shit in harsh manner. He kinda provoked Madara with his talks with Hashirama (but I have more questions to spying Madara). He created the Edo Tensei that takes sacrifices, so his mind is twisted. He is definitely hipocrite with his "i created and prohibited" and "make your reputation to another kage... SHUT FUCKING UP!"
And yeah, Tobirama is kinda prejudiced to Uchiha, it's hard to deny.
But it's not him the racist in but his haters that labeled him as one. (And stop hypocrisy. It's both of them are racists in your definition or no one of them)
#senju tobirama#tobirama#tobirama senju#anti tobirama#anti anti Tobirama#because I'm#tobirama is bastard and i so love it#you can't be Madara lover AND Tobirama hater lmao#because they are same
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i just had a 1000 iq brainfart right now.... Konan is Tsunade's secret daughter conceived by experimentation.
just hearme out here, Konan, by the time she died was 35 (accourding to google) and at the time, Tsunade was 54 (again, accourding to google), which means Tsunade could have had Konan when she was in her twenties however, i believe Tsunade would know is she had a kid, so my heory is that somene (either Orochimaro or Danzo or both) managed to somehow steal one or a few of TSunade's eggs and get them artificially insemanted into a surrogate womb, which somehow managed to end up in Ame where Konan was born.
what really ties my theory is Konan's paper power, because paper is made of wood, Hashirama had wood release, Konan was really powerful, Hashirama was really powerful, Konan had really good chakra control, Tsunade also has great chakra control and in the world of Naruto where you blood lineage palys a huge part in how powerfull you either are or can be, those things add too much for Knona to not be related to Hashirama.
that or Hasirama was a man whore before he married Mito, and had a dozen or so bastards and one of them ended up in Ame, a centuru down the line later and we have Konan.
I know what you mean, anon. I once made a shitpost myself pointing out that Konan must have a milder form of the mokuton. It really doesn't make sense otherwise, right? Konan only fights with paper, she even creates paper out of thin air, but paper isn't an element, so that shouldn't be possible - unless, it's either an own kekkei genkai (in which case it would be a little weird that it's never mentioned as such) or a milder form of the mokuton. It doesn't add up otherwise.
That being said, I don't like the thought of Konan being a secret child Tsunade's born from experiments neither know of. That theory makes me uncomfortable, to be honest. If anything I imagine Danzou/Orochimaru using the Hashirama cells to experiment with, although that doesn't quite add up either, since 1. Orochimaru didn't work with Danzou back then yet, and 2. Danzou would've naturally kept the child in root and not let her roam free in Ame.
The closest possibility, if anything, is Madara being the one to do such an experiment, since he 1. had Hashirama cells and 2. was already in Ame to put his Rinnegan eyes into infant Nagato for safekeeping (I'm still not over this, literally what the fuck, Madara), so he may as well have added some Hashirama cells to another child just for shits and giggles...
Any of these theories is super far-fetched either way, but Kishimoto is the one who gave Konan a power that literally defies the rules he set in his own fucking universe. At least he could've attempted to explain Konan's paper no jutsu, but nooo, he really went into this "head empty, cool powers go brrr" and ignored the rules of ninjutsu he himself created.
Actually, the closest possibility is that Konan is a descendant of the Senju, and that's why she has a milder form of the mokuton. That makes far more sense than the other theories lol
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Good morning! I see you're a fan of Danzou. Though he isn't one of my personal favorites, it's quite rare to see genuine fans of his and I get excited when I do. Lately, I find myself gaining an appreciation for him (however begrudging, and based on what he offers to the story).
If you please, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the character! What makes him one of the best characters in your eyes?
I mean, he's...hm he's definitely not a good guy lol. Did he do a lot of bad things? Hell yeah, he did. But I think a lot of people either ignore or forget the time he grew up in, the values that were instilled in him and others of the time. Is that an excuse for his actions? No, but Danzo is also a victim of the same cycle he participates in, doing things the only way he knows how.
In the end, he was simply doing what he thought was right for the village, no matter the sacrifice. Was he wrong for it? Oh, absolutely. But he's just as broken and damaged as everyone else. He was just left completely unchecked, and Hiruzen even enabled him. Like how do you just shrug off one of your former teammates trying to kill you?? Like HELLO! That should've been a wake up call that this man, your friend, was deeply unwell.
Something something, Danzo being the product of a failed system that ultimately failed him too. He is by no means a "good guy" but he also isn't the root of all evil here either.
He did what he thought was right no matter how twisted, he did things the only way he knew how and God damn he didn't have any kind of support system because in the world of Naruto what even is mental health.
Tldr: I love this horrible old man, who isn't the cause of everything bad ever (looking at you, Tobirama)
But that's just me lol.
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I loved reading that Naruto fic you wrote at the start of 2023 "Bit part", with the SI protag a sweary cut-snake-mean chunin. Honestly the best bit interactions with bby!Kakashi, and his resulting unprofessional language acquisition :) The second best was the way you captured the frustrated pauses and half sentences, as you worked through her perspective. It really captured a heck of a lot of tone that's often missing from fic
One question: you said in some comments that she was a potential anbu/root candidate, but I could never work out why? She referred to herself as a mediocre med nin, so I thought it couldn't be that, other times she might have been hard to notice? Like when she was in the pub with Tabata. Did I miss something horribly obvious or was it lost under the general "unreliable narrator + short story" vibe?
Thank you for writing it!
oh haha yeah, yamada is actually an assassination & infiltration specialist— or at least, her talents naturally incline her to be very good at it, and there’s only so much of herself she’s capable of hiding when her life is on the line. she’s got an iron-tight amount of control over her chakra, partially because in some ways it still reads to her as foreign so she’s intimately aware of what she puts out to a sensor’s radar. she’s been scouted for anbu before, her lack of clan connections especially make her an appealing candidate for the kinds of missions konoha doesn’t want to admit they do (& especially for danzo’s sub division). she just doesn’t want too (lol) and devoted an uncharacteristic amount of effort to being a halfway competent med-nin, which sort of gets her left alone but objectively just makes her an even more appealing candidate for these kinds of things…
it’s all probably a bit toooooo “implied” but i wrote that story to have fun and work through writers block. so lol.
unfortunately for poor yamada all roads lead to doing jobs she doesn’t want to do. to me and the vague future i envision for her she’ll wind up being jiraiya’s (and minato’s) agent upon being very unwillingly dragged into a political conspiracy— jiraiya doesn’t want to be doing this either but sakumo is his friend and danzou crossed a line to him by trying to take out this specific political enemy. yamada is already involved and good at what she does so she was a bit doomed the moment minato pegged her for being competent.
#naruto tag#there’s a fair chance sakumo eventually successfully gets her to accept being adopted into the clan several years later but#she’s fighting that pretty hard lol
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Had to see the fucking. Limbo was genuinely helping Danzou by restoring her memory rancid take again (helped me add to my block list I guess) and ughh, yes he DID mean what he said when he’s doing it to hurt her, I mean how else do you hurt an unfeeling machine? She doesn’t even feel physical pain! It wasn’t even her full memory he recovered, and she doesn’t even so much as have conflicted thoughts about them for doing so because it’s fully malicious!! I don’t get how anyone can go through that interlude and see that sort of overt cruelty and think otherwise!!
ALSO SHIMOUSA WE LITERALLY HAVE PROOF IN SHIMOUSA…. The part where he makes her fight against the companions she’s come to care about to the point she was willing to turn against him, and she was even beginning to remember her son (and I do think he was involved there because he mentions messing with her mind). And not in a mind control way but having her be conscious of her own body moving against her will AND THEN MAKES HER SELF DESTRUCT, KILLING HER… her interlude isn’t even the first time he’s done something like this!!
#Infel’s fate tag#my absolute number one most hated fate ‘theory’#my god just let him be the monsterous rakshasa devoid of love he is#If people actually thought about Danzou for two seconds maybe this wouldn’t happen#limbo lies about stuff like not being limbo not things like the pain he wants to inflict#(on someone that reminds him of Seimei because of the arts used in her construction no less)
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tobirama you're doing great sweetie wait what is this tournament about again? looks like i can't read suddenly
uh i'm surprised people dislike madara, i mean, not that he's the most pleasant person but he's one of the most badass antagonists i can think of. his only big crime to me is being OP to the point it salvaged the narrative. but god did he live up to the hype.
also, you disqualified the konoha elders in your first poll, what changed your mind?
Changed my mind because people asked, and also they don’t actively do as much as Danzou and people often forget about them. So since people wanted them in I figured they might be okay to add since they’re not as severe as Danzou.
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What do you think of Danzou? I think he's someone possessed by evil.
I believe he symbolizes what the shinobi culture had to offer to all its members. In a society where you are validated by the amount of power you possess and by how much you can sacrifice in the name of the greater good, the truth is that there are only benefits to becoming more powerful (even through inhumane means). He and Hiruzen are two sides of the same coin, both surviving and sustaining the same ideology, just with different motivations.
The corruption in Konoha didn’t start with Danzo; he merely took advantage of it.
It really frustrates me how all of this is reinforced by Orochimaru’s pardon at the end of the series as well.
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Which dynamics did you pick for the other rookie 9? For the sfw BDSM au
Yes! Questions! Okay, here's what I have:
Reminder on terms, switches need both domming and subbing in their lives, versatiles can do either, but only need one. Neutrals need none, but some still like it for fun. Like real people I guess.
Team 7:
Kakashi - Versatile - He's a versatile with a preference for subbing, who has never subbed. lol. He will dom just often enough to keep himself mentally stable enough to avoid a domdrop or subdrop. His nature is to enjoy either subbing or domming, but his nurture has made him more inclined to sub.
Sakura - Dom - She was very insecure about her presentation. Ino presented first (sub) and she wanted to be like her, not to mention, her parents started treating her differently from that point and it messed with her head a bit. It isn't until she's older that she comes into her own and accepts herself.
Naruto - Switch - Vibes. He doesn't care. He barely knows what this means. He thinks both Sakura and Sasuke are very dramatic, because it's not like dynamics impact their shinobi work, so who the hell cares!
Sasuke - Sub - Hates it. Despises this part of himself with every fibre of his being. Rejects it. He becomes more antagonistic to fight against his urges on principle. Kakashi is very tried of dealing with it.
Yamato - Artificial neutral - As all Root and ex-Root agents, Yamato is a neutral. It is unclear whether he is naturally that or not. No one knows how Orochimaru figured out how to change dynamics, but Danzou used his methods with great success. Sasuke was probably tempted away from Konoha partly for that. (Yamato would have actually presented as a sub, but no one knows that.)
Sai - Artificial neutral - Same as above except Sai was actually a neutral all along. He also doesn't know that. He finds the whole thing much easier to accept than Yamato though, which might hint that he'd been a neutral all along, while Yamato was mourning a part of himself instinctively and tends to pine over what could have been. He probably tries both subbing and domming to see what it's like at least once though.
Team 10:
Asuma - Dom - He loves being a dom and is lowkey a bit cocky about it.
Shikamaru - Dom - He says that he wishes he were a neutral so he didn't have to deal with any of this, but he doesn't really mind being a dom really. It makes his work feel quite fulfilling and the way he doms is low effort so 🤷🏻♀️
Ino - Sub - She is also incredibly proud of being a sub. She recognises and truly believes that the sub role is the most powerful, and loves having such an easy way to relax. Like, she can relax completely by doing chores as long as someone tells her to, doms wish they could get chores and relaxation done at once!
Chouji - Sub - He's pretty relaxed about his dynamic. He's glad he's not a dom, he finds that role intimidating, so I guess he's happy to be a sub. He does sometimes let Shikamaru dom him with a platonic scene.
Team 8:
Kurenai - Versatile - She's a versatile who's currently an acting sub with Asuma. Being a versatile always felt like the best dynamic for her. She wasn't ever limited on partners, platonically or otherwise, and versatiles are inherently less likely to drop. She's just quietly happy with her presentation. It also helps her relate to all her students (bar Shino) and help them properly through the confusing mix of presenting and puberty.
Hinata - Sub - She wishes she weren't a sub because she thinks that maybe her father would love her more is she weren't. :(
Shino - Neutral - His entire clan is neutral. It's one of their clan quirks. He finds the whole dom sub thing very confusing and mildly disconcerting. He is a neutral who doesn't like the idea of participating at all, even just to try.
Kiba - Switch - He's a little insecure as a child because he really wanted to be a dom, but when he's older he embraces it. Adult Kiba's favourite way to engage in scenes is sexually, so being a switch opens the most doors for him, and he's very smug about that.
#sfw bd/sm au#naruto#hcs#kiba#shino#kurenai#hinata#kakashi#sai#yamato#sasuke#shikamaru#asuma#chouji#ino
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Hi. I read your answer to the ask if Sasuke awakened a new power for Karin and I have a question. The chapter in which Sasuke protects Karin is titled "New Power" and it may refer to amaterasu or the ability to extinguish it. Sasuke learned from Tobi that Itachi had given him some power of his eyes (I don't remember if Tobi said it was specifically amaterasu) and when Sasuke was able to put out the flames, he was surprised that he succeeded. But Itachi could put out amaterasu and Sasuke didn't see Itachi doing it. So could Itachi transfer the ability to use amaterasu with the ability to put it out? Was it even the awakening of a new power if Sasuke already had it?
Hi. Yes, Sasuke does realize while trying to rescue Karin that he has awakened a new power which is to be able to extinguish Amaterasu.
He also didn't see it when Itachi extinguished it while he was battling him.
Tobi actually told Sasuke that Itachi had transferred all his eye techniques to Sasuke with the forehead flick.
However, the Amaterasu that Itachi implanted in Sasuke's eyes, that Tobito got attacked with, was put there to kill him. It was a failsafe mechanism that would get triggered when Sasuke saw Tobi, who helped Itachi murder his clan. And Itachi never wanted Sasuke to know the truth about the massacre.
It got triggered without Sasuke's knowledge. For it to happen, Sasuke's eyes (which hadn't awakened MS at this point of time) turned into MS temporarily and released Amaterasu. Since it was Itachi's power, Sasuke's eyes turned into Itachi's MS wheel.
Soon after this though, he awakens his own MS. When Sasuke fights and attempts to capture Killer Bee (when he needs to rescue Karin), he is using his own MS.
Amaterasu is a MS power. You can't use it unless you have MS. So what 'New Power' means is that it is Sasuke's own MS that not only has the power of Amaterasu, but extinguishing it too, which he only finds out then.
However he loses his own sight after fighting Danzou. After he has fought Naruto and others at the bridge, his sight is almost gone.
So he finally gets Itachi's eyes transplanted. But the MS is his own, not Itachi's.
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Alright, I’m an SNS shipper through and through, but I have problems with the fanbase just like you.
For example, the other day, I saw a post that was describing SNS really….weirdly, I guess is the word if I want to be generous. They said it was toxic, extremely codependent, self destructive, fight often and get off on fighting, saying Sasuke was a sadist, both were toxically jealous, and that nothing was healthy about their relationship. And before you ask, yes, this was a pro SNS post despite how anti it sounds.
Okay, yeah, Sasuke was possessive, and they both were obsessed, but that was balanced out by their unrelenting care for each other. But this post seemed to flat out ignore that, saying they were “legendary” for having “nothing healthy” about their relationship. Even comparing them to Megan Fox and MGK. I have no idea who they are, but I can imagine they aren’t anything good. A lot of people were agreeing with the post, too, even a Tumblr account I follow. Maybe I’m just being sensitive, but that isn’t how I interpreted SNS at all.
But that’s just my take. What do you think?
Okay, I came across that post after I wrote a complete answer... And in that post, they mentioned that it’s their headcanon. So, It’s literally wrong of me to write a dedicated post to crush someone’s headcanon... (Hence Scratching part of my original answer)
As long as anyone realize what they are doing, that’s awesome. But the moment they claim that their Headcanon as the One True Canon and get catty with others for not agreeing with them... then that’s when I go full on offensive.
However, there’s only one thing... I want to say
Sasuke is not a Sadist.
[[The reason for people coming to this conclusion is mostly because of his rabid stans... Those Cringe people]]
According to Collins Dictionary...
Obtaining pleasure from hurting other people...
Hidan, Deidara, Madara, Obito, Zabuza, Orochimaru were all Sadists... [[Nagato wasn't]]. They took immense pleasure in hurting other people.
I agree that Under the Bridge Sasuke said, he got an High from killing Danzou... And then he also said he wanted to destroy Konoha... And yet... Sasuke was verifying his resolve to destroy the Village over and over again in many places...
By this time, he knew the Truth... What is the need to ask this question though??? Especially to that Danzo....
Again, One more verification.... “Are those news true??? Were my decisions are valids????”
One is Good... Two is Okayyyish... But three is a Overkill.....
He made up his mind to destroy the Village in order to get his Revenge... If that's the case Then why didn't he go ahead??? Why is he asking the same question to 3 different people again and again and again????
Which means, he wanted to know the Truth before going ahead with his Revenge... Didn't he? If this were Madara, he would've released Kyuubi and wouldn't even hesitate to destroy it... But Sasuke is not like that.
He still has doubts and want to clear those doubts... He couldn't even kill 1000 Soldiers when Orochimaru asked him to.
These are not the behaviour of a Sadist.
Also, under the context of SNS, When did Sasuke display Sadism?? Yes, he was smirking when he rammed that Chidori into Naruto...
But he ended up regretting it towards the end of the Battle, didn't he???
Which means, the pain he inflicted on Naruto didn't give him any pleasure...
Sasuke is an inherently good character but he was forcibly trying to become a Bad, Dark and a Sinister person... Sasuke's journey was all about finding that Goodness inside him.
But What I get from SNS is....
In a world where 2 little Orphan Boys who possess Greater powers were left Abandoned and Ignored...
One was positively Isolated... that is, he was kept in a Highest of the High Mountain filled with praises citing his Prestigious Belonging. “You are an Uchiha, You can do everything... You are a Genius and You are the Strongest”. And yet, Nobody was ready to climb that Mountain and reach him out like a Normal person.
Another one was negatively Isolated... that is, he was kept in the Lowest of the Lowly Pit filled with Scorn, Hatred and Anger. “You are a Jinchurikki, You could go out of control at any time and You could destroy us all too, Just ignore him”... As Expected, Nobody was ready to give a Hand, lift him up and reach him out like a Normal Person.
But there was this one fine day, when the World abandoned them...
A Boy who used to be in a Rock Bottom Pit came to notice this boy sitting further down near the Lake Pier.... (A Visual cue about, “I was already pushed to the bottom... What is the possibility of someone living further lower than me?”... Like there was no reason for this guy to look down and yet he was surprised to find one.)
A Boy who used to be in the Top of the Lonely Mountain was looking up to the Boy who was walking away... (An complete opposite Visual Cue from the Above one, “I was already kept on the top... What is the possibility of someone over there above me?” Like there was no reason for this guy to look up and yet he was surprised to find one.)
And they acknowledge each other... they get this faintest feeling that I am not Alone. And There is atleast one more person who is just like me has noticed my presence and appreciated for who I am. There are not an Uchiha or Jinchurikki barrier at this moment....
There are no words, exchange of material things or anything... It’s just this Mutual Observation and this Faintest Feeling of not being Alone had became the Solid Steel Foundation of their Bond.
How many of us can say that, Yes... Just this faintest feeling is enough to maintain a life-long bond with our partners and that We don’t require Physical presence, Dates and all that????
It’s this Faintest and yet Powerful Feeling was what Sasuke wanted to severe himself so badly but he really couldn’t. It’s this Faintest feeling was what Naruto wanted to cling himself so tightly.
And whenever this 2 boys had the chance to come to an Understanding and spend their time around each other.... Just for little longer.... Somehow or Something will come between them and split them apart. But their Desire to be next to each other was always burning inside them, no matter what...
How that boy from the Highest Mountain and that boy from the Lowest pit reached each other out, came to an Understanding, saved each other by expecting nothing but providing Unconditional Love
is What I get from SNS.
#sns#sasunaru#narusasu#nsn#naruto uzumaki#uzumaki naruto#uchiha sasuke#sasuke uchiha#sasuke is not a sadist for god's sake
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What’s your response to people who criticize Sasuke’s choice to destroy Konoha? That he should be more thoughtful of how complicated the situation was?
This question's interesting, thanks!!
So - I'm assuming we're talking about the period between Itachi's death up until Itachi's death 2.0, where Sasuke decided he doesn't know what he's going to do going forward and then talks to the Kages and changes his decision from destruction of the Village to revolution.
Personally, I don't think destroying Konoha was like, the best idea Sasuke's ever had, haha. But I guess to me it's like... taking that individual goal he had and using it to judge whether his character is morally good or bad seems irrelevant? Sasuke's an obvious victim of the Leaf, who did not have a nuanced approach to his family's situation when they decided to wipe them all out. The Uchiha Massacre was a very extreme response to the tensions between the village and Sasuke's family. Sasuke's decision to destroy the Leaf isn't any more lacking in nuance than Danzou's decision to wipe out Sasuke's clan was. His initial declaration to destroy the Leaf was a knee-jerk trauma response, and he cemented it later once he had the chance to think about it, explaining that the peace the Leaf enjoys now is a direct result of the subjugation of Sasuke and his clan, and the trauma Sasuke and Itachi had to endure - and thus is a false peace that deserves to be destroyed. He's in a destructive and unhealthy place but you can see his thought process behind it and the amount of trauma and pain that led him to that conclusion.
Once confronted with the truth, Kakashi and Naruto did not cease to represent "The Leaf Village" - Naruto declares he'll die for the Leaf's values, and Kakashi says "Oh em geeee stawwwwpppp you're so crazyyyy..." so Sasuke's lack of interest in trying to fix the Village or anything isn't entirely unjustified, considering Naruto himself is the most sympathetic to Sasuke's issue of any other character and even he won't budge. At this point he's lost everything he cares about. Is it so difficult to understand why his mind is taken over by revenge and trying to give his pain at least some meaning?
So - I don't agree with Sasuke's decision to destroy the Leaf. Genocide is bad no matter what. But I think framing this as evidence that Sasuke himself is immoral or bad is just missing the point. He's pushed to this extreme by the trauma and oppression inflicted on him by the Village, and by the Village's pride and insistence on standing by that oppression. It's a nuanced situation, but I don't blame Sasuke for not being in the mood for those kinds of complexities at that point in the story. Once he's had some closure with Itachi, despite the fact that the Leaf itself has not done anything to inspire any faith in him, he does move on from his destructive goals in a more constructive direction.
#sasuke#analysis#ramblings#thanks for the question!#so basically yeah he's wrong#but#he never actually did anything that would result in the destruction of the leaf anyway#so we're more criticizing whether it's ok that he WANTED to#and personally#i don't blame him for being pissed off
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One of the things that make me absolutely despise the boruto shit is how cruel it is to Yamato , what do you mean that Kakashi who knew the shit Yamato went through, made him live hell again and spy on oroshitmaru, and why is god's name dodnhe send him to begin with if he is just gonna let the snake bastrard create children in labs and do nothing, I never understood the spy shit, itachi wa sa spy in the Akatsuki yet failed to report shit, Jiraya was a spy wand he failed to report a whole ass invasion against konha , like do spies just spy for the same of spying ?
for all that, in practice, at this point in his life, orochimaru’s apparently an “okay” parent, (which is pretty funny to be honest) there should have been absolutely 0 realities where anyone let child abuse and murder man anywhere near one child, let alone two and some change. and it shouldn’t be tenzou’s problem unless he actually gets to kill orochimaru! and further, since it WAS forced to be tenzou’s problem, realistically he would have stolen log and mitsuki i think. jesus. it’s just bizarre. there are no second chances for orochimaru!
itachi got strong armed into the akatsuki in exchange for obito murdering half the clan so he didn’t have too iirc so i imagine the situation with itachis true loyalties are somewhat muddled except that he ultimately will do what he thinks is best for konoha whatever that is (and whatever is “””best””” for sasuke). BUT if he was reporting to anyone it was danzou and danzou literally was perfectly willing to let pain blow up konoha if it meant scooping hokageship from the ashes so even if he was reporting regularly i don’t think it’s odd nobody did anything with his information. lol.
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I swear I’ll write my whole Limbo analysis post one day cause I disagree with a lot of some popular ones but anyway I feel like he’s treated like an innocent monster or wanting to help people too much when he really doesn’t…?
Like Limbo is already just the evils of Douman but he already was very much not a great person…? Look at the oneshot or Shikibu’s words (“you have not changed at all. Absolutely, no changes at all…”) and reading Abe no Seimei monogatari is confirming the same to me.
I don’t think anyone is born evil but he’s a petty, arrogant man who is very quick to go off the deep end, we are talking about the guy that hears about Seimei and immediately goes oh someone who is possibly better than me??? I don’t like that, I’m heading to the capital RIGHT NOW to challenge him, emperor as my witness and prove myself better than him. And when he loses and becomes Seimei’s pupil (as he promised) he next gets together with his wife (yes really lol) while Seimei’s off in China to learn his secrets and ends up killing him
I don’t know why people want to try and deny his very obvious enjoyment of others’ suffering (acting like him restoring Danzou’s memory was for anything other than that especially irritates the hell out of me, please reread Onriedo middle chapter of Shimousa) the way I see it he’s humiliated by Seimei, and fails to ever surpass him, to be the one standing above and humiliating him, so he takes to doing it to others, to mock them endlessly and he does find a sick pleasure in it. Da Vinci’s comment about people who will give up everything if it means causing as much destruction as possible combined with his tendency to form fixations on certain individuals is a good way of describing what he’s like. And it’s not something he’s faking or just “playing the villain” he legitimately does find enjoyment in it. His obsession with Seimei consumed and warped him to such a point.
#Infel’s fate tag#I’ll compile all my limbo posts one day aaaaghh#more complex than he seems doesn’t have to mean secretly a good person!!!!!!#blah blah couldn’t become a beast cause LACK OF LOVE he doesn’t have some deep desire to help people#he’s not some generic concept of evil though he’s the evils of a specific person so that also shapes him#and it’s why he has his moments but like. the love of others suffering is very real lol
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Tags I honestly appreciated on AO3 (various fandoms):
The Canon Did Not Spark Joy | So I Made It My Bitch
If The Canon Does Not Spark Joy Throw It Out
Scott McCall Can Have A Braincell. As A Treat.
Relationship Pairing: Albus Dumbledore/His Ginormous Ego
Lan Wangji's Canonical Inability To Tell The Difference Between Instant Hatred & Instant Attraction
LWJ Gets Sexually Aroused For The First Time | He Mistakes The Feeling For Murderous Rage | It's A Very Confusing Time For Him
Fix-It Via Accidental World Domination
Accidental Overlord Tony Stark
LWJ Can Punch JC In The Face. As A Treat.
JC's Canonical Torture Habit
Gender: Tired - Sexually Attracted To: Beds
Everyone Deserves Better | Except For JC | He Can Suffer
Fluffy Vore-Adjacent Behaviour
Please note that this list is by no means comprehensive. It just contains the ones I remember off the top of my head at this moment.
Some of my favourite tags that I have used:
(Not So) Secretly A Virgin
Tiny Time-Travel Hell-Child
LXC Has The Braincell | Oops | No He Doesn't
Now With A Hundred Percent More WangXian!
Albus Dumbledore Is Not Actually Evil | He's Just Very Bad At Being A Decent Person
OC Was Not Expecting Reincarnation | Again | She Wants To Know Why Fate Keeps On Giving Her A Penis
The Genitalia That Must Not Be Named
If You Didn't Want To Be Blackmailed | You Shouldn't Have Done It | Sounds Legit
Hello Alcoholism | My Old Friend
LWJ Tries To Be Good | He Fails | To Be Fair | WWX Is Terribly Tempting
For A Fic Without Any Sexual Content Some Of These Tags Sound Incredibly Inappropriate
Mostly Canon Compliant | Except That Lan Xichen Actually Got Laid
Lans Gone Wild(TM) | Featuring Nie Mingjue As: The Voice Of Reason
Body-Swap Gone Wrong | AKA | That Fic Where Wei Wuxian Pees Lan Zhan's Pants
It Doesn't Have To Be Biologically Possible They're Hybrids Karen
Lan Xichen Can Have A Little Harem. As A Treat.
Jin Zixuan The Beautiful Lan/Jiang Sect Concubine
Nie Huaisang Saves The Day | He's As Surprised As Anyone
I Wrote This Instead Of Sleeping | Then Fell Asleep Instead Of Posting It
LWJ Stabs His Father | Non-Lethally But Still | It's Surprisingly Cathartic
The Mortifying Ordeal Of Discussing Your Sex Life With Your Family
Trip To The ER With Something Stuck Inside Your Dick | Somehow Everyone You Know Shows Up | Thanks Huaisang | That Was Not Actually Helpful
That Moment When Everyone Learns TMI About Your Sex Life
Lan Xichen Accidentally Starts A Revolution In The Lan Sect | This Was Not Supposed To Happen | Rebel Leader!LWJ
Lan Wangji Needs Friends | Xichen Just Never Expected Him To Make Them This Way | This Is Not Going As Planned
Asexual Relationship | Where Neither Of Them Are Actually Asexual | This Is What We Call A Lack Of Communication
BAMF Nie Mingjue | Why Is That Not Already A Tag? | That's Basically His Entire Personality | I'm Feeling Very Insulted On His Behalf
Nie Mingjue Pretty Much Lives To Kick Ass & Take Names | If He Disapproves He Won't Hesitate To Let You Know | Loudly & At Length | He Practically Exists To Smite Evil-Doers & Fuck Their Shit Up | Anyone Who Says Nie Mingjue Is Not BAMF Is Lying | Or Else Really Not Paying Attention
NMJ Is Basically The Chinese Version Of A Spartan Warrior | Charging Onto The Battlefield With Baxia Held Aloft | Wearing The Blood Of His Enemies | "This! Is! Qinghe!!!" | When I Read The Novel My Brain Dubbed Him "Chinese Leonidas" | CQL Did Nothing To Dispell That Impression TBH
BAMF Uchiha Shisui | WTF Is That Not Already A Tag? | Danzou Only Beat Him Because Of Izanagi | With The Stolen Sharingan Shisui Didn't Know He Had | He Kicked Danzou's Ass | While Poisoned | And Fending Off ROOT As Well | He Won Until Danzou Got An Unexpected Do-Over | And Even Then He Still Got Away | He Might Have Been Dying But He Still Escaped | Uchiha Shisui Is A Total BAMF | This Is A Hill I Will Die On
Severus Snape Has Asperger's | No One's Ever Handled It Well | At All | Especially Not Dumbledore | It's Why He's So Bitter | Snape's Just So Done With Humanity | And With Human Interaction In General | He'd Like To Go Live Alone In A Nice Cave Somewhere | And Never Speak To Anyone Else Ever Again | Dumbledore Insists On Keeping Him In A School | Where He Was Bullied And Traumatized | Surrounded By Screaming Adolescents | Who He Can't Just Ignore | He Has To Teach | Interact With The Hellspawn | Be A Role Model | Severus Snape Regrets Everything
#fanfic tags#humour#mdzs#mo dao zu shi#harry potter#teen wolf#tony stark#ao3 tags#naruto#jiang cheng critical#wei wuxian#wangxian#lan wangji#lan xichen#nie mingjue#nie huaisang
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There are things the manga left open, like, who took care of him when he was a baby and who he lived? Who taught him to speak, walk and write? How did he get the clothes he wore? Why was he put to live alone at the age of 3? In the anime, he was at lest 3-years-old when was moved to live in an apartament (In the episode 480 of the Naruto: Shippūden, while being at her uncle's funeral, Hinata saw Neji cry and left the building. Hinata was outside all alone, then she meet Naruto for the first time. He took her home and told her that he was alone. Since it was Hizashi's funeral, and he died shortly after Hinata completes 3 years, Naruto already have 3 years, since he are older than Hinata by some months). How did he get food before Teuchi said he was welcome at his ramen stand? Since all the stores kept him away so that sales would not suffer losses (In the Chapter 4 of Konoha Hiden: The Perfect Day for a Wedding was stated that all the stores kept Naruto away so the sales would not suffer losses). In the anime, Naruto have to learns how to fish and find mushrooms because he doesn’t have any money. Also in the anime, a shop owner pushed him to the ground, ordered him to leave the shop and even threw the thing that Naruto wanted to buy on him. How did Hiruzen not find out that Danzou leaked the information that Naruto was a Jinchuriki to the village? (In the Chapter 6 of Itachi Shinden: Book of Dark Night was stated that Danzō leaked to the village that Naruto is the jinchūriki of the Nine-Tails, giving the villagers somebody to direct their hatred towards after the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox's Attack). What is your opinion?
Who took care of him?
I think my favorite headcannons for that is Anbu operatives. You could say that a villager took care of him, but what if something went wrong? Although an Anbu operative wouldn't be able to do much, they would be able to get word out in time if something went horribly wrong and the nine tails started to leak out somehow.
How did he get food?
We see Hiruzen giving him money at one point, so I'm guessing someone brought food until he was 'old enough to take care of himself' in the villages (Hiruzen's) eyes. I mean, Kakashi was fishing for his food age five so I can already tell people didn't care much about how old a kid was, so long as they were deemed capable of taking care of themselves they were left to fend for themselves. that being said, Naruto likely still went hungry/didn't eat enough until Teuchi opened his Ramen stand to him because he was limited. he had a certain amount of money for allowance and most likely that was what was used to buy him food.
Who taught him to speak and write?
Speaking is a skill learned from contact, rather than specifically taught/ Babies learn to speak by listening to adults and older kids speak. So regardless of how Naruto was spoken to, he would have taken in the words and slowly learned to say them back. He likely would have learned slower than other kids his age, because he had less contact (if Anbu were raising him I doubt they spoke to him often. their job being primarily to ensure he was fed, changed, clean, and alive), but through contact he would ultimately learn to speak.
As for writing, I think that's something Naruto would have largely started to learn in the academy. it's stated that he has been in the academy for a few years, having failed the final exam a few times already, so most likely he joined young in hopes of becoming a Genin to gain money and support himself, and in seeing others write and having to answer questions he would have began to improve on the limited writing skills he already had from drawing/coloring as a child and maybe trying to copy words he saw on things.
Why was He put to live alone when he was three?
Simple reason? Hiruzen didn't care. The responsibility of caring for Naruto was placed on two people's shoulders. Jiraiya, who is Naruto's godfather and thus the person who should have stepped up to take care of him when Minato and Kushina died, and Hiruzen (who Kushina asked with her dying words to take care of Naruto). Both of them failed Naruto. Jiraiya decided he had better things to do, and Hiruzen decided he just didn't care enough to give Naruto the nurture that he needed to grow up feeling loved and wanted and safe.
Part of that is Hiruzen as the person who chose Naruto's care, deciding when he was old enough to care for himself.
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