#clone wars is 22 BBY so if we say he’s 20 at the start 20 + 22 by the battle of yavin = 42
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firefly-fez · 2 years ago
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Me after seeing Riyo Chuchi’s “what happens when you get too old to fight” comment, implying they need to think of their accelerated aging, still blatantly refusing to accept the clones-age-twice-as-fast thing as canon:
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*sticks fingers in ears* la la la it’s not a genetically faster aging it’s an environmental treatment in a growth acceleration chamber, a treatment they have to be subjected to and now that kamino is gone they won’t be subjected to it anymore 99 was just an early prototype testing the chamber that’s why he’s old, i mean rex canonically a generation one clone how could 99 be older than a generation one clone it doesn’t make sense…. it’s a growth acceleration chamber and without regular treatment they age normally all those lil’ clone cadets will age normally rex will age normally he looks like That in Rebels bc of stress and stress alone they’ll all age normally it’s fine nothing bad will happen to them ever la la la i cannot hear you it’s fine they’re fine
#clone wars#star wars#the bad batch#the bad batch spoilers#the clone conspiracy#truth and consequences#i know accelerated aging is canon and all#but WHERE do people get this idea that they age twice as fast??#seriously where??#the MECHANISM of age acceleration is never soecified#and hardcase makes a comment about his ‘growth acceleration’ chamber which implies it is a treatment they are subjected to!!#not a natural feature of their genetics!#seriously show me the source that says they age at a faster rate#why do all star wars fans assume rex is aging twice as fast as a normal human#not necessarily! like stress will age you; you know#shave the grey beard off and he doesn’t look that old does he#clone wars is 22 BBY so if we say he’s 20 at the start 20 + 22 by the battle of yavin = 42#+ 4 years bc ROTJ is 4ABY#so 46 by my math#seems a reasonable number to me!!#if you go by the ‘they age twice as fast’ theory#going by that one star wars novelisation where ahsoka says ‘im not a child! im 14!’ and rex is like [tries not to laugh]: I’m 10!#then okay we have 10 years old in 22BBY. 13 in 19BBY.#13 + 19 = 32 + 4 years to get to 4ABY = 36 x 2 (for aging twice as fast) = 72 years old at the battle of endor#i don’t really think he looks 72 at the battle of endor!!#a battle-weary and hardened-by-life 46 yes but not 72!#rebels is 15 years after tcw#so 13 in 19BBY. 13 + 15 = 28 yo. x 2 for ‘aging twice as fast’ =#56 by the time he appears in rebels#from his first appearance
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gffa · 4 years ago
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You asked for this! I've got timeline specific questions because I'm struggling either because I can't do math or because it's sw maybe both. Anyway. If Obi-Wan was born in 50 BBY then what is his birthdate called in times of tcw when BBY didn't exist yet? What's the calender before BBY called but also what's Obi-Wans birthdate!! I've been losing my mind over this and I'm actually so frustrated. Help lumi 🥺
*HAND SHOOTS UP*  I CAN HELP WITH THIS. BUT FIRST THE LINER NOTES: - This is sourced to only one reference book, BUT it was an in-canon reference book, meaning it was written as a text that exists within the GFFA, not as an omniscient Doylist reference book. - It’s never specifically said this is the dating system used, but in lieu of having literally nothing else, I actually love it. - Everyone is perfectly free to ignore this niche content and do whatever works best for your fic!!! So, Star Wars: Scum and Villainy: Case Files on the Galaxy's Most Notorious had several pages on the prequels:
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This system of numbers is called the C.R.C. in the book! We don’t know what that stands for (probably something like Centralized Republic Calendar or Common Republic Calendar maybe?) and we’re doing a lot of guesswork, but those numbers line up exactly with the BBY dates used out-of-universe. Using the BBY/ABY system, we know: - Attack of the Clones takes place in 22 BBY (Padme’s assassination attempt) - Nack Movers died in 21 BBY - Rogue One takes place in 0 BBY - A New Hope takes place in 0 BBY / ABY (destruction of the Death Star, Leia’s arrest warrant), the film was also released in 1977 in our world - Empire Strikes Back takes place in 3 ABY (Han Solo frozen in carbonite) Now compare these to the dates we have for some of these (mostly) known events in Scum and Villainy with what we know of the BBY/ABY events: - 7951.131.6 is a Quinlan Vos security image (26 BBY) - 7955.314.3 is a security image of a Coco Town Eatery (Dex’s Diner) (22 BBY) - 7955.422.1 is Padme’s assassination attempt (22 BBY) - 7956.101.2 is Nack Movers’ death from TCW s02e11 Lightsaber Lost - 7656.103.1 is when Boba Fett was first imprisoned by the Judiciary from TCW s02e22 Lethal Trackdown (21 ABY) - 7956.123.2 is the Moogan tea from TCW s03e05 Corruption on Mandalore - 7956.901.3 is “Rako Hardeen’s” arrest from TCW s04e15-s04e18 (20 BBY) - 7956.881.4 is Moralo Eval’s intake holo/arrest (21 BBY) - 7956.919.5 is Han Solo’s arrest warrant (21 BBY) - 7957.101.4 is Bail Organa and Mon Mothma security image (20 BBY) - 7957.338.1 is a Hondo Ohnaka security image (20 BBY) - 7957.910.3 is a Senate District Law Enforcement Recruitment Poster (20 BBY) - 7957.203.3 is the Jedi Temple bombing from TCW s05e17 (19 BBY) - 7973.121.0 is the date on Ketsu Onyo’s bounty hunter profile (4 BBY) - 7976.994.5 is Jyn Erso’s arrest warrant, which was set before Rogue One (1 BBY) - 7977.331.3 is Leia’s arrest warrant which happened after the events of ANH (0 BBY / 0 ABY) - 7977.934.1 is Aphra’s wanted file (0 BBY / 0 ABY) - 7980.421.2 is Han being sealed in carbonite, which happened during ESB (3 ABY) - 8009.332.1 is a patrol of New Republic guards (32 ABY) So, I’m cribbing from myself from this post if you want a longer, more detailed version of the different calendars used in the GFFA (and what they change to once the Empire takes over, then once the New Republic takes over) as well as @glompcat has a lot of excellent posts on their Scum and Villainy tag. But the basic gist of it seems to be that the Republic during the PT (again, in lieu of anything else that has ever touched on this!) would be to say it took place in the ‘50s or ‘950s CRC. So, if someone asked, “When were you born?”, Obi-Wan would answer with, “I was born in ‘18.” or “I was born in 7918.” (Or “‘918″, maybe?  Go with what feels natural.) since he was born in 57 BBY. (At least according to the trading cards, I think?  But 57 sounds about right for how old he was when he died.) Some helpful numbers to give you a scope of things: - Obi-Wan was born in 7918 CRC - Anakin and Grogu were born in 7936 CRC - The Phantom Menace takes place in 7945 CRC - Attack of the Clones takes place/The Clone Wars starts in 7955 CRC - Revenge of the Sith takes place in 7958 CRC - The war in TCW lasts from 7955 CRC to 7958 CRC
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tachiisms · 5 years ago
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I found this ‘mathfix’ timeline in my file of Siri documents, and realized that while I’d initially written it (with much help and input from Din/@bellassan) for my own reference, it’s hard to reference if I’m not on my laptop, and also unhelpful for anyone else looking for timeline reference points. So I’m posting it. I’ve kept Ferus’s ages in here mostly because that’s how the document was originally written while talking with Din, but as per always, Din, not me, is the expert on Ferus and so if any of the references to Ferus have changed since the initial writing of this (which was four years ago by now) then please do, of course, take Din’s word over mine. I’ve also added in some reference points to some JA/JQ books just to give an easier and more comprehensive timeline to reference. 
It’s a mathfix, too, because as much as we love and respect Jude Watson, she wasn’t super great at keeping date details consistent (example: Secrets of the Jedi says ‘20 years later’ between the first and second half, but actually looking at the age markers, it’s only 17 years later; Ferus’s age mentioned in the last JQ book is then contradicted by him saying in LOTJ how old he was when he resigned, etc). Honestly we can’t blame her, given how many of these books she was churning out at an impressive speed for Lucasfilms, and is it even Star Wars if the math timeline isn’t wonky, but here we are. 
SO here’s a timeline of notable events in Siri’s life. I’ve included both the BBY date as well as her age, for ease of reference. 
55 BBY -- Siri is born, and given to the Jedi within the first year of her life [x] (*in modern verses, born May 22 [x]) -sometime between 55 BBY and 46 BBY, Siri is moved two years ahead in lightsaber classes- 44 BBY -- 11 years old. Events of JA: The Captive Temple.                                         Siri is chosen by Adi Gallia as her Padawan.                                         Events of JA: The Fight for the Truth.                                        (Note: while these all happen within the same year,                                          they happen several months apart.) 43 BBY -- 12 years old. Events of JA: The Dangerous Rescue. 39 BBY -- 16 years old. Events of  the first half of Secrets of the Jedi. 32 BBY -- 23 years old. Events of the Phantom Menace.                                        Beginning of undercover mission as Zora.  30 BBY -- 25 years old. Events of JQ: Path to Truth.                                       Conclusion of undercover mission and subsequent knighting.                                         Siri chooses Ferus Olin (12) as her Padawan [x] -some time between 30 BBY and 25 BBY, Siri attains the rank of Master [x]- -all JQ books take place between 30 BBY and 25 BBY. I may or may not go through more specifically and add in tentative dates; the time frame generally is what’s important here- 25 BBY -- 30 years old. Events of JQ: The Final Showdown, and subsequent resignation of Ferus (who is 18). 22 BBY -- 33 years old. Start of the Clone Wars with the Battle of Geonosis.                                       Events of the second half of Secrets of the Jedi;                                       Battle on Azure, and death. 
              (for reference in AUs)               19 BBY -- 35 years old. Order 66               18 BBY -- 36 years old. Events of the Last of the Jedi series.
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kiradragonwriter · 5 years ago
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Kalluzeb: Kallus’ Age Retconed
Kallus is now at the time of the first rebels season 5 BBY, about 32 years old. (Zeb 39)
He way born sometime during 38 BBY. (Zeb 6)
He is 6 when the Fall of the Republic begins 32 BBY. (Zeb 12)
That means he is 16 when the clone wars start in 22 BBY. (Zeb 22)
Then 19 when the Imperial Era takes over in 19 BBY, possibly in the middle of training with at the academy or just joining it. (Zeb 28)
So, at some point during his early 20′s as an ISB agent he ends up on Ondenron. Now I am taking a big guess here but when you read the “resisting the empire” part of Saw Gerrera, it states 
“Following the Republic's transformation into the Galactic Empire, Gerrera fought against the Imperial Military, organizing a group that became known as the Partisans.[14] During this time, he hired a Lasat mercenary and fought an Imperial platoon under ISB Agent Kallus when they were sent to Onderon to bring peace.[30]
“Sometime before 17 BBY, Gerrera joined an arms smuggling ring lead by Has Obitt.”
This seems to be telling us then that at the latest, Kallus had his experience when he was 21 years old during 17 BBY. (Zeb 27)
So not long after Onderon, the invasion of happens. I would think maybe some time around 12 BBY, maybe 25 years old by then. (Zeb 32)
"I fought to the end. We held the palace, and then there was a bomb, and when I woke up, it was all just gone. We retreated. I was as good as dead, at least until Kanan found me."
Though according to this quote by Zeb, he was immediately saved from imprisonment after the lose. It also suggest that Zeb has been at least with Kanan for a while, but possibly not Hera. Though the timeline says that they may not have met until literally right before the first season started.
He is 33 when he is on Bahryn with ZEB, 4 BBY. Maybe Fulcrum later that year. (Zeb 40)
Then 34 years old during 3 BBY, when the Rebels learn his is Fulcrum. (Zeb 41)
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the-archlich · 5 years ago
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Clone Wars: Corruption Arc
We back on Mandalore.
Good news is that Satine's efforts to maintain the league's neutrality were successful and they're not part of the war. Bad news is that means neither side is trading with them, so supplies are hard to come by. Virtually everything has to be bought on the black market, which is making corruption the order of the day on Mandalore. All of which means that people are really pissed at Satine. She's reached out to Padme for help because...well that' spretty much the only person anyone knows who solves problems without stabbing.
Things start to get really bad when a bunch of children get poisoned by a popular tea diluted with a toxic chemical. Satine puts her personal guard on investigating it, along with Padme, because Star Wars takes place in a fictional universe where people care when you poison a bunch of children.
They track down the smugglers and deal with that specific problem, but the root of the issue remains. Satine comes up with a plan to plant a Jedi at the academy to try to track down who's ultimately behind all the black market shit. Ahsoka gets tapped for the role for reasons that aren’t particularly well explained but I’ll just roll with it.
She gives a weird lecture on corruption to a class of Mandalorian cadets; and I say it’s weird because the cadets seem like they genuinely have not heard of the whole concept before. But hell maybe that’s a Mandaloiran thing - they also seem confused by the idea of questioning their leaders (”isn’t that reason?”).  Mandalorians are weird; I can buy it.
Later, a group of cadets is complaining because the school is out of food (again). They think that’s suspicious and, having just gotten a lesson in corruption, decide to investigate for themselves. They’re led by Korkie Kryze, Satine’s nephew.
Someone brought up the possibility of Korkie being Satine and Obi-Wan’s child. While I thought about it, the timing just doesn’t add up. With most of the EU material being thrown down the toilet it’s hard to get the dates exactly right but we can make some estimates.We don’t have an exact timeline of the Mandalorian Civil War, but from the canonical events we do have for Obi-Wan’s life his mission there must have been when he was no older than 16, in 41 BBY. Korkie is essentially in Mandalorian high school, so he’s probably no older than 17, and is probably younger but I’ll be generous. We don’t know exactly when this arc takes place, but the Clone Wars began in 22 BBY and Satine died in 20 BBY so it must be in that range. Even at the very maximum range, Korkie would have to have been born no earlier than 39 BBY. Theoretically a shift of a few years in the timeline would make it possible (or an undisclosed difference in biology) but I find that unlikely. You can keep the theory if you want to but it doesn’t ring true to me. I’d say sorry to be “that guy” but this whole blog is me being that guy.
Anyway, Korkie and his friends sneak into a port warehouse, where they observe a black market deal between a government official and smugglers. They get a recording, though of course they don’t see the official’s face. They bring it to Satine, but they don’t get as much enthusiasm as they want so they contact the Prime Minister instead. He invites them to an extremely obvious trap.
They also mention it to Ahsoka but don’t like it when she tells them to slow their roll. The kids get extremely arrested but Ahsoka saves them because she’s better at this than they are. Learning that Satine has also been kidnapped (she was doing so much better than Padme), Ahsoka “wookie prisoner”s the kids to get them into jail and break out Satine.
This all goes to shit but I guess it doesn’t matter. Ultimately they just overpower the guards and arrest the Prime Minister (did I mention he’s behind it all? That’s probably obvious, right?). Also I guess Ahsoka didn’t actually know that she was there to do this exact thing? I don’t know the wheels sort of fell off in the last 4 minutes.
This arc wasn’t fantastic, but I was glad to come back to Mandalore. That arc was not only the highlight of Season 2, it’s one of the best stories in the Star Wars canon. So bringing elements of that back in this season is good. Capitalize on what worked. Even if these two episodes didn’t exactly land right.
And hell maybe the math is more complicated than I thought and Korkie is Obi’s kid. His combination of “doing the right thing” and “fucking up” is pretty Kenobi-esque.
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kuwaiti-kid · 5 years ago
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The Case for The Mandalorian Season 2 Casting Rumors
With Star Wars Day behind us and the looming threat of Star Wars Celebration being canceled due to COVID-19, a suspicious amount of potentially true rumors about the second season of The Mandalorian have been feeding the Sarlacc-like fandom.
If you do not like rumors which may prove to be major spoilers, turn back now. 
The Rumors
In January, two tweets appeared on Twitter from an alleged fansite leaking the full cast slate for the second season of The Mandalorian. Most people brushed it off as wishful thinking, considering it included characters like Ahsoka Tano, Iden Versio, Sabine Wren, and an unnamed character played by Temuera Morrison.
The rumors were lent credence back in March when entertainment journalist Peter Sciertta with Slashfilm was the first to break the news that Rosario Dawson was allegedly joining the cast of The Mandalorian to portray the fan-favorite Ahsoka Tano. Again Sciertta provided the exclusive scoop that Katee Sackhoff, the voice of Bo-Katan in The Clone Wars, may bring her to life on screen.
Taking into consideration The Hollywood Reporter’s exclusive reporting about Temuera Morrison’s franchise-return as Boba Fett (or Rex), it sounds like audiences may be looking at a Clone Wars reunion in the second season of The Mandalorian, which certainly has undoubtedly helped in the days following its series finale. But, like with anything in the Star Wars fandom, not everyone is happy. 
Shortly after the announcement of Morrison’s return, displeased fans jumped to the argument that Boba Fett should be dead at this point in the story. But is anyone ever really gone in the Star Wars universe?
Yes, we saw Boba Fett fall into the Sarlacc pit in Return of the Jedi. Still, if we’ve learned anything from watching The Mandalorian, we know that the Mandalorians are surprisingly resilient. It is certainly not outside of the realm of possibility that Boba Fett could have survived.
Especially considering that fans believed the character was already teased in the first season of the series. Remember when the mysterious figure approached the body of Fennec Shand (Ming-Na Wen) in episode five, “The Gunslinger”? Audiences only saw the figure’s boots, but even then, fans were convinced it was a Boba Fett cameo. 
Personally, I have a lot of theories about episode five, which was written and directed by Dave Filoni himself. During the first episode of Disney Gallery: The Mandalorian Filoni and Jon Favreau discuss the throwaway moment in the episode when the Mandalorian walks past Stormtrooper helmets on spikes.
It may be a moment that truly is a throwaway visual, but it also bore a striking resemblance to a poignant moment in the series finale of The Clone Wars. Now, this may just be Filoni putting in an easter egg for his other work, or it was an intentional decision to make audiences think about the two series. This episode also took place on Tatooine — the planet with the Sarlacc pit that Boba Fett “died” in. 
It is easy to think that the introduction of characters like Ahsoka, Rex, Bo-Katan, and even Sabine Wren in the live-action series might fall under the idea of fanservice. Still, I am here to argue that it most certainly is not fanservice. Fanservice has been bandied about quite a bit in the wake of The Rise of Skywalker and the controversy surrounding the end of the Skywalker Saga.
Still, everything that involves fan favorites does not equate to fanservice. Especially not when the characters which are rumored to be appearing are already tied to existing plot points in the series. 
Sabine Wren 
When Moff Gideon ignited the Darksaber in the closing moments of the series finale of The Mandalorian fans went wild. While there is no confirmation about Sabine Wren’s appearance in The Mandalorian, many fans believe it is only a matter of time.
If you haven’t watched Star Wars: Rebels, you should rectify that immediately. Sabine is a Mandalorian and one of the wielders of the Darksaber. In fact, Sabine passed the Darksaber off to Bo-Katan, believing that she was the rightful person to lead the Mandalorians against the Empire. If the Darksaber has fallen into the wrong hands — looking at you, Gideon — this would be the perfect opportunity to introduce Sabine into the live-action canon. 
Bo-Katan Kryze 
The rumor of Bo-Katan’s arrival in The Mandalorian plot isn’t too much of a surprise. In The Clone Wars episode “Shattered,” Bo-Katan tells Ahsoka about the relic of a bygone era that they had trapped Darth Maul within.
It was a Mandalorian device that restricts Force users and allegedly the last of its kind. With only forty minutes left in The Clone Wars series, this dialogue certainly wasn’t frivolous. A lot of fans were quick to question whether this device would make a return in The Mandalorian. Especially with the internet’s favorite little Force user, The Child being a central part of the plot. 
The Mandalorians have a long and complicated history in relation to Force users. In fact, the Mandalorian-Jedi war was what rendered their homeworld Mandalore inhospitable, changing the path of the Mandalorians forever. You can understand why there’s a lot of hard feelings when it comes to Force users. The Mandalorian-Jedi war also has implications for the darksaber. The darksaber was created by Tarre Vizsla, who was the first Mandalorian inducted into the Jedi Order.
In Rebels, Fenn Rau tells Kanan the legend of the darksaber. It was kept by the Jedi Temple after Vizsla’s passing, but was stolen by members of the House Vizsla during the Mandalorian-Jedi war. From that point forward, the darksaber was passed down through the generations, even after the pacifistic New Mandalorians shifted away from their warrior origins.
Needless to say, there’s a lot of mythos behind the darksaber which has been hinted at in both Rebels and the Clone Wars lending credence to why these characters should be the ones to carry that plot. 
Darth Maul 
Do you know who else has connections to the darksaber?
Darth Maul. That’s right—everyone’s favorite bad boy Sith Lord who survived being cut in half in The Phantom Menace. In 21 BBY, Pre Vizsla, the leader of Death Watch, was in possession of the darksaber.
During this period of time, a lot was going on with the Mandalorians. Duchess Satine Kryze (Bo-Katan’s sister) was trying to lead the pacifistic branch of the Mandalorians, Darth Maul was forming the Shadow Collective which the warrior Death Watch group eventually joined, and all of this took place while the Clone Wars were underway.
Needless to say, no one was surprised when Darth Maul took the opportunity to kill Vizsla, steal the darksaber, and try to take over Mandalore. If you’ve watched The Clone Wars, then you know that Maul becomes one of Ahsoka’s prime adversaries, which makes her yet another character connected to the darksaber. 
Rex 
Sabine, Bo-Katan, and Ahsoka all have connections to the darksaber, which is already a plot point in The Mandalorian. It makes sense to bring these three women into the plot, rather than to create new characters that audiences have no emotional attachment to. Boba Fett makes sense, given that he’s probably the most well known Mandalorian in Star Wars history.
Not to mention he had some pretty awesome storylines in the expanded universe that fleshed out his on-screen presence. Without Fett, we would never have a series like The Mandalorian. But what if Morrison isn’t just playing Boba Fett?
There is a strong possibility that he might also be portraying the former Clone Trooper Rex, who — like all the clone troopers — was a clone of Jango Fett, just like Boba.
Rex also appeared on Rebels, where he was reunited with Ahsoka and involved in the plot involving the Mandalorian group The Protectors, as well as the storyline around Grand Admiral Thrawn’s pursuit of the Arc Pulse Generator (which was a terrifying device which was able to disintegrate beskar wearers). 
The Timeline 
In case you’re not familiar with the Star Wars timeline, here is a quick explanation for how much time has passed between the end of the Clone Wars and The Mandalorian. The current timeline is based on the Battle of Yavin, which is depicted in A New Hope. BBY is “Before the Battle of Yavin,” and ABY is “After the Battle of Yavin.” Easy enough, right?
The final episode of Star Wars: The Clone Wars takes place in 19 BBY and Star Wars: Rebels takes place fourteen years later between 5 BBY and 1 BBY. The Battle of Yavin takes place, starting out as year 0. A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi take place over the next four years ending in 4 ABY. The Mandalorian then takes place five years later in 9 ABY. 
Roughly thirty years have passed between the two series. 
22 – 19 BBY — Star Wars: The Clone Wars 5 – 1 BBY — Star Wars: Rebels   4 ABY — Return of the Jedi 9 ABY — The Mandalorian 
One of the other complaints surrounding certain characters appearing in The Mandalorian is their ages. But with the rumored casting choices and the timeline, it seems likely that the characters would appear accurate for their ages. 
Ahsoka was in her 30s when she appeared in Rebels, meaning she would likely be in her late-40s. Bo-Katan’s age was never confirmed in The Clone Wars, but her older sister was a peer of Obi-Wan’s. She was likely in her mid-20s during the Siege of Mandalore, making her closer to 50.
Sabine was born in 21 BBY, so she would likely be in her late 30s. Rex is the only one who might not still be alive. While he was created in 32 BBY, clones were created to age faster. In Rebels, he appeared to physically resemble someone in their 60s, suggesting that he might be somewhere in his 70s if he appeared in The Mandalorian. 
The Bottom Line 
We likely won’t find out if the casting rumors are true until later in the summer. Still, there’s definitely a strong case for the fact that we will see some of our favorite animated characters in live-action this October.
Sam Witwer, the voice of Darth Maul in The Clone Wars, recently teased that the new season would be mind-blowing. Rosario Dawson tweeted about fans wanting her to play Ahsoka Tano. But with Deadline’s confirmation about Sackhoff joining the cast, it seems like theories may just become a reality. 
The Mandalorian season two premieres in October only on Disney+. 
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gffa · 5 years ago
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Here’s what we know, as of Chapter Three of The Mandalorian: - The Beskar that Mando retrieves is stamped with an Imperial signet and was gathered during the Great Purge - Heavy Infantry says, “These were cast in an Imperial smelter.  These are the spoils of the Great Purge.  The reason that we live hidden like sand rats."
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- The Mandalorian Armorer says, “Our secrecy is our survival. Our survival is our strength.” Heavy Infantry:  “Our strength was once in our numbers. Now we live in the shadows and only come above ground one at a time. Our world was shattered by the Empire, with whom this coward shares tables.”
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- In the flashback to when (presumably) Mando was a child, we very, very clearly see a B2 Super  Battle Droid, opening up the hiding place he was in.
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- Precisely what this means is still up in the air.  The Mandalorian takes place in 9 ABY, which puts it five year after the end of Return of the Jedi.  (Whether the Empire ended in 4 ABY with the death of the Emperor over the forest moon of Endor OR the Battle of Jakku in 5 ABY probably depends on who you ask, in universe.) This means, the Empire was formed 28 years ago from the point of The Mandalorian.  Depending on the character’s age, unless he’s in his 20s (mid-20s at the very most), the flashbacks cannot be during the Empire’s time.  But, if he’s around Pedro Pascal’s age (44) then, assuming he’s at most 10 years old in the flashback, but possibly as young as 5 years old, that would mean Mando was born 16 years before the Empire was created, in 35 BBY.  The Clone Wars started in 22 BBY during Attack of the Clones and The Phantom Menace takes place in 32 BBY.
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So, assuming some ages here, that would put the timeline as: - 10 years old in flashback, it’s 34 years ago, 25 BBY, three years before the Clone Wars started - 5 years old in flashback, it’s 30 BBY, eight years before the Clone Wars started It’s totally possible to massage those numbers though, maybe Mando’s younger than 44, maybe he’s older in the flashback than 10, it’s hard to say. - Heavy Infantry is GIVEN A NAME IN THE CREDITS:
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HIS CHARACTER’S NAME IS PAZ VIZLA.  Which is way too close to “Vizsla” to not around some heavy suspicion, given how important the Vizsla clan is to Mandalore, as well as Jon Favreau himself voiced Pre Vizsla in The Clone Wars.  (Is it a different spelling?  A related/offshoot clan?  A typo in the credits? Another bit of Legends being re-canonized?) Some general conclusions to be drawn: - Whatever’s happening in the flashbacks, I think can’t really be related to the Great Purge, the timeline definitely wouldn’t be flexible enough for that, UNLESS that’s not Mando in the flashbacks and they somehow account for a B2 Super Battle Droid to be there (which wouldn’t be hard to do) and he plays a different role in those flashbacks. - The Great Purge is connected to the Empire and I see two main roads it can take. 1.  Whatever it was that happened post-Rebels, after the clans of Mandalore decided to stand up to the Empire, now that Bo-Katan Kryze was given the darksaber. and Clan Vizsla (among others, including Clan Wren and Clan Saxon) gave their support to her. 2.  This is an off-shoot of the various Mandalorian Clans and Houses we’ve seen so far, that instead of being a continuation of the events of Rebels, it’s instead some faction within the Mandalorians that has separate goals and structure. Both have their merits--this would be a chance to finish telling the story of what happened to Mandalore and its people after Rebels showed them ready to fight the Empire, certainly Favreau and Filoni both have a heavy invested interest and experience with that area of the franchise.  (Dave Filoni being the one who basically oversaw the creation of it, Favreau being a longtime friend, even voicing a character from that era/area.) But it would also mean relying on those events that many, many people watching The Mandalorian would have have seen and they’re not going to make people do a ton of homework just to watch this show.  Which doesn’t necessarily preclude that it’s connected to Rebels, certainly they didn’t need to explain in detail what happened to Maul in The Clone Wars to have him cameo in Solo, you could glean all you needed to know from the movie itself.  Possibly that’s what they’ll do here as well. Of more interest is that, even four-five years after the fall of the Empire, the Mandalorians are still in hiding.  Who are they hiding from, now that the might of the Empire is gone?  Are they truly all that’s left of Mandalore?  Five or six of them, while they were once an entire planet?  Or are they the only ones left of their offshoot of Mandalore?  Rebels took place from around 5 BBY right up to 0 BBY, just before A New Hope and the Bo-Katan stuff was near the end--did the Empire wipe them out in the four years between ANH and ROTJ?  Or is something else going on?  (I’m leaning towards them being an off-shoot, but YOU NEVER KNOW.) HARD TO SAY, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE KNOW SO FAR.  GOOD JOB, FAVREAU AND FILONI, I’M HOOKED AND WANT ANSWERS.
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Okay, so Ahsoka was found when she was like 3 and she was 14 when she became Anakins padawan. Anakin was found when he was 9 and was like 20 when he got an apprentice. DOES THIS MEAN THEY WERE IN THEIR "USE THE FORCE 101" CLASS TOGETHER WITH YODA?
CACKLING, QUITE POSSIBLY.Ahsoka was brought to the Temple in 33 BBY and Anakin was brought to the temple in 32 BBY, which leaves 10 years between then and when the Clone Wars started in 22 BBY.From Master & Apprentice, it sounds like Jedi children are taught lessons early in the crèche (that’s where they first learn that they’ll need to guard themselves against the dark side that’s in all of them) and they stay there for awhile, so Ahsoka probably would have been there for at least 2-3 years before starting to take classes.From Obi-Wan & Anakin and Age of the Republic - Obi-Wan Kenobi, we only see Anakin being put with other kids that are his age:
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However, he does also say that he’s being put with the “little kids” when Obi-Wan says he’ll be in Yoda’s class–who we’ve seen teach younger children who look about 5-6 in Attack of the Clones, but also probably ~12 year olds in The Gathering and 12 year olds in Dooku: Jedi Lost–so EITHER WAY. 
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IT’S POSSIBLE THAT ANAKIN WOULD HAVE BEEN LEARNING WITH KIDS FIVE YEARS YOUNGER THAN HIM, IN CERTAIN CLASSES.JUST IMAGINE A TINY TOGRUTA KIDLET COMING UP TO HIM IN LEVITATION CLASS OR FORCE SCULPTING CLASS (BOTH OF WHICH ARE REAL THINGS CANON HAS GIVEN US) AND HER LITTLE FISTS ON HER HIPS AS SHE SMARTLY SAYS, “YOU NEED TO SUPPORT YOUR SCULPTURE MORE ON THE OTHER SIDE OR IT’S GOING TO FALL OVER.”Anakin is like, okay, FIRST OF ALL, WHO CARES, IT’S A DUMB ART CLASS, and second of all you’re a baby you don’t know anything.Tiny Togruta Kidlet huffs very loudly and is like ALL RIGHT FINE THEN I WILL SEE YOU LATER IN COMBAT DANCE CLASS, BUDDY, WHERE WE WILL SETTLE THIS LIKE JEDI.  AND THEN DOES THIS MOVE OUT THE DOOR AFTERWARDS:
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SHE MAKES SURE TO STARE HIM DEAD IN THE EYE AND GLARE AT HIM WHEN SHE LANDS JUST LIKE KATOONI DOES HERE.EXCEPT WITH TINY LITTLE FANGS POKING OUT DETERMINEDLY.
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