#chinese nobility

[yebreed]

Warring States Beverage Fridge of Marquis Yi of Zeng

Judging by the burial items, Marquis Yi, this Chinese Petronius, was a socially inclusive person and managed to keep a positive outlook on life even under the Warring States.

This antique beverage fridge was found in 1978 among the treasures of the Leigudun Tomb No.1, Suizhou, Hubei.

A smaller vessel (Fou 缶) with rice wine was placed inside Jian (鑑) bronze frig, fixing all with three hooks on the bottom, and ice cubes were poured between the walls. Cooled rice wine was filtered and scooped up with ladles when needed without removing the inner container.

Two such beverage fridges were discovered in the burial site. Like some other items, Jian frig is signed “For the perpetual use by Marquis Yi of Zeng.” In his quirk, the Marquis is not unique: beverage fridges have been common since at least the Spring and Autumn period. However, for few they were such an essential utensil to take it with to the afterlife.

Total weight (Jian + Fou) is 168.8 kg. On display in Hubei Provincial Museum (湖北省博物館).

Photo: ©湖北省博物馆藏

[diemelusine]

Dowager Empress Cixi of the Qing Dynasty sitting on an armchair (1906) by Hubert Vos. Palace Museum, Beijing.

[ziseviolet]

This question might seem a bit dumb. But my mind likes practical qquestions and i can't imagine it, but how did chinese women use the toilets while wearing different styles hanfu? It just seems a bit nervous, to accidentally dirty such a pretty outfit while doing the do. Also mensturation now that i think about it, how did the ancient chinese woman deal with her period?

Hi, thanks for the question, and sorry for taking ages to reply! (x)

Something to keep in mind is that the ultra flowy, ethereal designs popular in modern hanfu aren't what average Chinese women would have worn on a day-to-day basis historically. As can be seen in my commoners' hanfu tag, the common woman's daily hanfu was simpler and more practical with less use of fabric - which meant narrower, shorter sleeves and shorter hems. Long, elaborate hanfu was reserved for formal/special occasions and the wealthy/elite.

Thus, using the toilet wouldn't have been as difficult as you imagine - women could simply gather and bunch up their sleeves and skirts/robes (and/or if they were wearing pants, untie and lower their pants), and do business as usual.

As for people who regularly wore "fancy" hanfu such as the nobility, they would change clothes (called "更衣/geng yi") when using the toilet, either:

Removing their clothes, using the toilet, and then putting their clothes back on, or

Changing into a new set of clothes after using the toilet

There would typically be maids to help facilitate these steps. For example, it's said that wealthy politician Shi Chong of the Western Jin dynasty kept maids at the entrance of his house's bathroom. After guests used the toilet, the maids would assist them with changing into new clothes before they could come out.

As for menstruation, I have a post here on how Chinese women dealt with their periods historically.

If anyone else has more information, please share!

Hope this helps!

Sources: 1, 2

[pokadandelion]

Empress Dowager Cixi with her lady-in-waiting, Yü Der Ling (also known as Princess Der Ling) and a enuch during a snowy day

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[thehandwixard]

clutching my head doubled over that the things im into are always games that are dozens of hours long to long jrpg length because im going mental thinking abt my funny guys. and the last time i tried to let out my kh meta thoughts i got sucked into a like. fucking real world particle dimension spirituality talk so i just have to sit here

[plumadesatada]

@captainlordauditor strong cetaganda vibes!

OP: "Hardcore Chinese style—welcome to the world of tomorrow."

[eng by me]

[homunculus-argument]

Huh. I figured out a way to solve a language issue that I had in The Book I'm Not Writing, that clears out some tangles that I hadn't really even thought of solving. Language barriers and different writing systems.

The first draft of the book featured two languages: The language spoken by the imperialist 'elite classes', and the common tongue spoken by the common people. It was a plot point that the protagonist - who was shipped to the Empire when he was 10 years old - learns to speak both of them fluently, but speaks Imperial like a finely educated nobleman and common like the lowest ranks of street thugs, and distinctly in the dialect of the slums of one specific city. But having a story with two clearly defined languages with no overlap between them started a lot of problems that distratcted from the plot, so I decided to discard that, and decided to just go with them being different dialects.

And just now it occurred to me that almost all the "lost in translation" sort of plot points that I did need the bilingual setting for were about writing, and that I could just resolve this by having two different writing systems for the (different dialects of) the same language. Like perhaps Imperial script is much like written chinese, featuring elegant, sophisticated, elaborate characters that can depict a number of different things, and the Common script is more like finnish, written phonetically with consistent sound for each letter - inelegant but practical, so one always knows how to spell a word they've only heard in speech, or how to pronounce a word they've only seen in writing.

The protagonist - being a baron - can read and write Imperial fluently, but having learnt the common dialect only from the stray boys he would sneak out to play with as a kid, cannot read Common script at all. So while he can fluently code-switch between speaking, standing and conducting himself like a baron, and moving and talking exactly like a Brethage slum stray, there is literally no way that he could fake being perfectly fluent in Imperial.

So to people who are on the upper end of the "lower caste" he does seem to be exactly as he seems - a stray lunatic who talks mad shit, occasionally claims to be a baron, but demonstrably could not read or write to save his life. But for someone who is familiar with the ways and etiquette of the nobility, seeing the Famously Batshit Foxtrap-Todd just casually code-switch and suddenly know exactly how to wear a rains banquet coat, properly pour tea, and be able to fluently read and recite poetry written in classic formal Imperial, would be as wtf-worthy as hearing a horse suddenly spontaneously start to speak.

[yebreed]

Ye Family Taoist Lineage: Ancestry, Peculiarities of the Confucian Ethic, Way of the Celestial Masters

According to the genealogical canon, it goes back to the Ye branch (葉) of the Xiong (熊) family, Shen (沈) lineage, from the House of Mi (芈), the ruling clan of the Chu (楚) Kingdom [1]. The differentiation of the branch from the main clan occurred after the Ye County was added to the fief, and the new surname was accepted.

The founding ancestor of the family, Shen Zhuliang (沈諸梁), Duke of Ye (葉公高) (c. 529 BCE – after 478 BCE), descended from the Yellow Emperor through latter’s grandson and successor Zhuanxu (顓頊). A gifted strategist and wise ruler of his time, [2] the Duke surprisingly has gone down in history not so much because of his obvious merits, but because he dared to disapprove the nepotism promoted by Confucius.

It is pretty clear that with such a background, the Ye had no chance of becoming a decent Confucian family.

Part 2, Part 3.

[angstandhappiness]

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【Historical Reference Artifacts】:

Court Maid in Portrait of Empress Cao in Song Dynasty(Wife of Emperor Renzong)

[Hanfu · 漢服]Chinese Song Dynasty (960–1279 AD)Traditional Clothing Hanfu Photoshoot

Court Maid Attire in Song Dynasty “今为臣，是助舟行水上，分水之桨也，与衣妆无系”

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Edit: Turning off reblogs on this post since I've been told it contains misinformation. Also, someone reblogged it with a huge rant and blocked me (as far as I can tell), leaving me unable to reply and with only partial notes and that freaks me out.

So I was telling someone about my boy, Sejong the Great of Joeson, who deserves that title "great" since he was so concerned about illiteracy that he created the easy-to-learn Korean alphabet (Hangul) by himself, but then the nobility got mad about all these reading peasants and tried to ban it. And my friend says, "Oh, I thought illiterate poor people in the past were just lazy."

And I was like, "No, no, you don't want your indentured servants and peasants reading and figuring out how much you are screwing them over. The adapted Chinese characters that Korea had been using took years to learn so it was a natural gatekeeper of knowledge."

And then, because one must be fair, I went on to explain how Europeans locked up their knowledge behind Latin, especially the Bible, and how it was so important that Martin Luther translated it into everyday German, because once you can read the Bible yourself, you can challenge the almost absolute power of the church. Only the rich could afford to learn Latin, so only the rich could read the book that their entire society was allegedly based around.

I do think things are much better today, but why are most scientific papers paywalled and scientists sometimes act as if they should be treated like infallible priests...

Edit: I wanted to end this post on a happy note, but then I started thinking about paywalls and it made me a bit depressed. We still do make our best knowledge less accessible to the average person and I hope we can do more to change that.

[ziseviolet]

Hello there! I would like your advice on what chinese emperors wear? I need some references for an oc I have and I dont want to be inaccurate with his design.

Hi! Thanks for the question, and sorry for taking ages to reply!

I have a post about what Chinese emperors wear in this post, so please check it out!

I also have an emperor tag and a royalty and nobility tag for more references.

Hope this helps!

[suppermariobroth]

In the Chinese version of Super Mario Odyssey, Mario's pirate outfit was edited and renamed into the "Nobility Outfit", which removed all overt pirate references such as the skull on the hat and the eyepatch.

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[untitledgoosegay]

tangentially i will never ever recover from running into someone who typed, in full sincerity, with their human hands, "as a socialist, edelgard is the only lord whose politics i can support"

it's been ages since i engaged with FE3H outside my corner of immediate friends, which is ideal, but it does mean that every so often i step outside it and am smacked in the face by "[lord i dislike] is [some kind of bigot and/or fascist] and all of their fans are simpbrained apologists" discourse

[ohnogachaverse]

So the facts are (with spoilers, obviously)

There are 5 sinners. Rhinedottir (Albedo's creator), Surtalogi (Skirk's master), Vedrfolnir (Dain's brother) and then "Rächer of Solnari" ("Avenger of Solnari") Rerir and "The Wise" Hroptatyr who we know nothing about, but since other sinners have some relations to playable or future playable characters it's not out of the realm of possibility that Rerir and Hroptatyr do too

"They were once people of great esteem in Khaenri'ah, those who carried the hopes of the nation"

According to Dain the sinners couldn't resist the call of the abyss and became transcendent beings in possessing of a great power before or during the Cataclysm. However other source (Shadow amidst snowstorms event) mentions that Rhinedottir became a sinner after Khaenri'ah fell. I'm pretty sure the one who said that was Albedo, who was created after the Cataclysm

Kaeya's father left him in Mondstadt as "Khaenri'ah's last hope"

Alberich is the surname of the founder of the Abyss order and Kaeya is his descendant. Kaeya claims that he didn't know about that.

During the Cataclysm pure-blood Khaenri'ahns turned immortal, others turned into monsters

Chlothar Alberich, the founder of the Abyss order, had an illegitimate son who turned into a hilichurl and died young. We don't know if he had legitimate children and we know nothing about his other possible relatives. Even if he did have other children, he didn't sound too fond of "the life that my family had arranged for me"

Chlothar had founded the Abyss Order after a religious experience an encounter with Vedrfolnir. He has also died at least 100 years after founding the Order, even through he was supposed to be immortal

The Alberich Clan was a nobility clan who was known for producing leaders of Khaenri'ah's knights. Anfortas Alberich became a regent when King Irmin was unable to rule. Anfortas supposedly died in Sumeru. It's is NOT confirmed from what I got: we have a message which says that his squad fought to the last one and an achievement In the name of Anfortas "visit the place where the heroes met their end". Is Anfortas considered part of these heroes?

We don't know the relation between Kaeya, Chlothar and Anfortas apart from the fact that they are relatives

So, currently one of the sinners (Rerir or Hroptatyr, most likely) being an Alberich and therefore related to Kaeya and the Abyss order is not impossible. Hells, even Vedrfolnir and/or Dain could be an Alberich - we don't know their last name but we know that at least Dain was a knight, and the captain of the Royal Guard is a high title. And Alberich clan had a lot of high ranking knights.

But even if we leave Dain&Vedrfolnir out, still. The Sinners were held in high esteem, same as the only aristocratic clan we currently know of.

Also idk, the fact that Dain called them the hopes and Kaeya was called the last hope doesn't seem meaningless to me. But someone should probably check if chinese uses the same word, it might be a translation coincidence