#but was media literacy always this bad?

[fiftytwoeightythree]

tbh i didnt like mobeomtaksi 1 bec of hanas character. her character was forced &i think the writer wanted more bw her & doki. mobeomtaksi 2 didnt feel that pushy and was more focused on others and the bad guys. but i understand where u coming from :)

oh, oh, oh....

ok, let me put my thoughts into coherent words. so-

i also understand where you are coming from, anon. you're not alone with this opinion. of course, you are all allowed to hate her character & everything, especially that it wasn't in the original webtoon to begin with, so it was given that it'll modify the outcome of the drama. but times like this i always wonder: do people watch dramas as they are or as they want it to be like?

i think these are empty projections to be very honest.

i have never despised her character and i have never seen any implications that they meant to be, therefore i don't understant the general outrage she's getting. it's people and their warped imagination that goes "they'll have a relationship, look at them! the hate they feel for each other is so intense it's nearly attraction and love!" let me ask you: do you also feel attraction to people you hate and have different values from? if not, then why do you force this emotion on a pair that showed no sign of attraction but more likely utter loath (and then some understanding) based on how they're handling justice differently?

kang hana wanted to get rid of dogi and ceo jang from the very beginning while dogi kept his distance from her as much as he could because he knew she means huge danger. why do you all trying to force romantic feelings into plots that have different stories to tell? why do you all think that a story isn't whole without romance when it's obviously not true? it's you all that project that love line into stories, not the writers.

those that complain that "she was annoying, she was everywhere!" of course, you smartass peanut. as a prosecutor, who saw a mysterious car taking away criminals, sniffing out that one of your closest acquitances did it, with a mindset that you 'have to catch that one true criminal even if it means letting go a hundred' you'd also be everywhere near them. if she'd just stood on the sidelines, thinking "something is going on but it's my boss' best friend and my boss also told me to stay put anyway" then she wouldn't do her job right - and that was also the point of the story. kang hana was a prosecutor that took her job seriously & did it right while the other deadbeat prosecutors did what their boss and secured connections told them to do, and was also restricted by idiotic laws these criminals knew like the back of their hand - as that rat park yangjin did. please, be serious for a moment.

i also find it strange that when fans like me point out that dogi showed bigger affection towards goeun, people usually go "but don't they have a more sibling-like connection? i mean, their age difference-" again, if you had actually watched the drama and not let your imagination take over and write a different story, you'd seen that their connection is not sibling-like, (also not love-like, true), but it's obvious that the two have something going on. go eun seeing the bandaid set dogi gave her in the middle of her breakdown, dogi rushing to her after goeun saw the videos of her sister, or concentrating saving her first before everyone else in the end - subtle signs of placing her in front, and not because she's the only woman on board. and the joke is they've somewhat even confirmed this at the end of season 2 when they had a beer on the rooftop. dogi is not creepy towards goeun, and goeun never threw herself at him, but you could see how she was a little jealous of hana and how goeun is important to dogi. apart from this, i don't think age is a matter in here since they've met as real adults. (not to mention that esom is only two years older than pyo yejin, so all this age difference yapping is tiresome the least).

so again: do you all actually watch these dramas or fantasize about a different outcome out of anger? the creators push the signs and clues into your faces, what more do you need to read them?

[time-to-write-and-suffer]

I love how on Tumblr, "media literacy" has become "Um, just because someone writes about this doesn't mean they're endorsing this. I hate all these media puritans ruining everything."

I'm sad to inform you that knowing when and whether an author is endorsing something, implying something, saying something, is also part of media literacy. Knowing when they are doing this and when they're not is part of media literacy. Assuming that no author has ever endorsed a bad thing is how you fall for proper gander. It's not media literacy to always assume that nobody ever has agreed with the morally reprehensible ideas in their work.

Sometimes, authors are endorsing something, and you need to be aware when that happens, and you also need to be aware when you're doing it as an author. All media isn't horny dubcon fanfic where you and the author know it's problematic IRL but you get off to it in the privacy of your brain. Sometimes very smart people can convince you of something that'll hurt others in the real world. Sometimes very dumb people will romanticize something without realizing they're doing it and you'll be caught up in it without realizing that you are.

Being aware of this is also media literacy. Being aware of the narrative tools used to affect your thinking is media literacy. Deciding on your own whether you agree with an author or not is media literacy. Enjoying characters doing bad things and allowing authors to create flawed or cruel characters for the sake of a story is perfectly fine, but it is not the same as being media literate. Being smug about how you never think an author has bad intentions tells me you're edgy, not that you're media literate. You can't use one rule to apply to all media. That's not how media literacy works. Sorry! Sorry! Sorry! Aheem heem. Anyway.

[glyphes]

i just want to know how twitter decided that bloodweave is a toxic ship and that there is 0 potential for any chemistry or romance between them. like, are we playing the same game? do they just not understand the characters beyond what they perceive to be their surface level traits? are they aware that their relationship progresses for the better canonically? they do actually like each other by the end of the game

the worst takes ive seen folks say so far is that they both have too much trauma for this ship to work or that gales romantic gestures wouldn’t extend to astarion if they do end up together bc all they would do is fight and that’s such a wild claim

[hellhoundmaggie]

Do you have any SDV hot takes?

Boy do I ever Anon! Thank you for giving me the chance to get on my soapbox about this.

Shane doesn't relapse when he is happily married to the Farmer. The popular "relapse" interpretation is based on faulty assumptions about what substance abuse recovery is supposed to look like and flat-out misreadings of the text of the game.

Shane doesn't "start" drinking again: he never stops, just reduces the amount he drinks. (Unless we are supposed to interpret the phrase "cut back" in the 7 Heart Event as meaning "quit” or "gave up” for some reason. Or if we ignore the new 1.6 dialogue about him drinking less after his 6 Heart event.)

Shane's mess is not a consequence of uncontrolled drinking, but a consequence of his depression and possible under-managed ADHD. His room at Marnie's remains exactly as messy when he's in recovery as it is when he's spiraling, so the drinking has no effect on his cleanliness.

”Okay,” you might say, “but he still shouldn’t drink, and he should pick up his room.” And sure, yeah. Ideally we should all do the same. But that’s not always a fair or realistic expectation for everyone. Not everyone can quit their addictions or bad habits cold turkey. Not everyone is going to be the model citizen. That doesn’t mean they can’t live happy lives. That doesn’t mean they don’t have value. That doesn’t mean Shane doesn’t have value.

So instead of complaining about the ways that Shane fails to measure up to typical adult standards, it may be more productive to ask: is he happy? Is he doing okay?

By any reasonable measure, a married Shane is living his best possible life. He‘s surprised and delighted to be your trophy husband. He doesn’t have to worry about taking a soul-sucking job or struggling with unemployment. His drinking isn’t causing him any problems, and if he can’t keep his personal space clean, at least he doesn’t let his mess spread to the rest of the house. He has his own little coop for Charlie and it’s just adorable to watch him bounce her up and down. He actually makes time for Jas. I am not requiring everyone to love Shane the way he is written, or to make space in their farmhouse for him. But please, have realistic expectations for the character that exists. And do make friends with him. He gives you an OP recipe and access to blue chickens!

[bogkeep]

okay there's just SO many video essays about "the death of media literacy". how dead can it be when all of you are so good at it. has media literacy gotten provably worse or do we just have the internet now. when was the golden age of media literacy

[urproblematicfav-arsonk]

Every time I see a post lamenting how Viv used to draw weird furry erotica, or the 2012 ass "pedo bear" style comedy that was always a joke and just fandom bullshit. How Stella obviously was supposed to be fucking her brother but its been pulled back on, or how ValAngel is obviously kink shit(even if we're also taking it very seriously at the same time)

Like, everything about this show was supposed to By Freaks, For Freaks. From the character design, to the edgy humor.

But fandom culture has changed a lot from when Viv first started out in that OC's tumblrina time. Ship and let ship has almost completely died, purity culture and the normalization of second degree murder has resulted in a creative landscape thats so fucking terrified to be seen as "problematic", that art is being pushed aside and sanitized because no one has fucking basic reading comprehension.

I mean, that whole thing where people were telling Bryan Fuller that he's the reason that gay conversion camps are good and should come back full force. The amount of trans women I saw on Twitter become publicly accused of "cp". A youtuber at one point SAVED the "cp" on her computer, edited the "cp" into a cutesy thumbnail, and distributed it. So, either its not csem and she fucking knows it and wouldn't have saved it and reposted it but really wanted to to tell people to kill this one specific woman, OR this is how seriously these kinds of people take things like literal csem.

Like, is Vivziepop annoying? Yeah, kinda. Is she not necessarily the best writer in the world? No, not really. But she's not a pedophile or some serial abuser because she's a furry. I'm genuinely so baffled by people watching a Furry Show and then being like, "omfg......she drew.........furry porn?????". I wouldn't be surprised if at least some of the reason Hazbin/Helluva turned out so wonky(outside of amazon)is just, Viv didn't feel safe or comfortable actually expressing her art and telling her story. There's so many people who would jump for joy if she killed herself, because they think snakes are a good enough reason to kill someone. Not to mention, the baseless accusations about stupid and meaningless things muddies the waters of actual abuse or things that could be legitimate problems. There's a 50/50 chance the thing Viv did that was problematic will be "drew pictures" or "has bad working conditions" and both of these tend to be held to the same standard of shit we need to take her down for.

I hate how you can't critique anything anymore, because saying you're "critical of the media" is more often then not, just a fucking dog whistle for "omg pls pls give me the opportunity to harass someone for not giving in to the thought policing I PERSONALLY have made up." Instead of someone who actually likes analysis and media criticism.

I'd love to complain about Hazbin/Helluva, I think it kinda sucks!!! I'm genuinely heartbroken that something that was obviously meant for Weirdos has been appropriated by puritanical babies, like they're horny housewives ashamed of themselves because they like 50 shades or whatever.

[ball-of-butter]

i remember being genuinely scared to ship mareven because im a toddler that uses tiktok so my first intro to mareven shippers were just crazy maven stans who romanticise his mental illness. i remember one so vile i had to comment hate on it because they were bringing my bae mare into this like mare get behind me rn. and then they doubled down saying her rejection to maven made him more mentally unstable LIKE it was her responsibility???

[emeryleewho]

I actually find it really sad that people's response to missing some allusion in fiction is to say the story did a bad job of explaining it rather than to think "maybe I should read closer next time" or "maybe the target audience for this piece has some context that I don't and it's worth my time to gain some of that context before reading more stories like these". And I mean sad, not in a condescending way, but in an "it genuinely hurts my heart and I wish I could help" way.

[gaystonerdragon]

sometimes i feel like the people reading black butler forget that the whole premise of the narrative is a boy who saw his entire family and household massacred on his birthday is tricked into forming a revenge pact with a demon that was summoned by the cult that killed his brother after abusing the two preteen boys for weeks on end, to bring equal humiliation, pain, and suffering to everyone responsible for the aforementioned horrors committed against him. “its so dark” like yeah… what gave it away? “the subject matter is so heavy” again… what part of the narrative set up made you think it wouldn’t be? like you know how this is ending, right?

[zukkaoru]

the disparity in kudos between a skk fic and a fic for literally any other bsd characters/ship :/

[artemx746]

really hope it becomes much more clear in the future of fool's gold that the foreclaimers aren't bad because they don't have empathy, but rather because they based their society on people having a set "value" and killing people who aren't "Valuable enough". Plus they also tortured a god for 300+ years

[the-bitter-ocean]

did people actually say “what did jolon do wrong” thats evil

Yes actually. Someone did unironically word for word ask if what Jolon did was "truly evil" or not. I am not making this up. Lmao.

[dyke-on]

The bible is like dune if it sucked and had even worse misinterpretations from readers

[dittolicous]

yknow, as like... a demi person on just like this side of being ace, its really tricky articulating my feelings on shipping as interaction with media without feeling like im bothering others

cuz there is a totally valid 'ugh not everything is about shipping!' stance but at the same time, i feel like maybe a good deal of shippers arent necessarily *ignoring* every other element or incapable of grasping themes or the like, but looking for the aspects *not* found in their favorite medias...

hence why, yknow, tragedies get fluffy aus or fix-its, cutesy stuff gets darker reimaginings, fantasys get coffee shop aus, modern stories get fantasy dnd aus, and things like say shonen series - which usually dont do romance at all or very well but have friendships down pat - get shipping!

(and maybe theres something to be said about modern media treatment of romance that many find lacking so even romances might not meet expectations...)

so of course, if they find all other elements fulfilling, i would say turning to shipping for fanfics is relatively harmless so long as they clearly know what theyre getting into and arent belittling the media for being something it was never meant to be or harassing about ships

for me personally, i turn to shipping a lot because... well i am actually a romantic at heart and would like to find love, and there can be such compelling love stories between strongly built characters! im not going to expect canon stuff to be about it, i just like exploring the things canon wont and probably doesnt need to to tell a well written story of its kind

[thrandilf]

Genuinely can't comprehend how people are incapable of taking new information and applying it to their point of view like

You've been handed evidence

But you just dig your heels in and say no. I don't care about that. I don't want to change my mind. I don't want to have to think. All I want is my bias/first impression. I refuse to budge past a first impression no matter how wrong it is or how much further evidence there is against it.

Like in media it manifests as people clinging to a first impression of a character/what they want that character to be and disregard when a character doesn't fit into the box they want. Which is batshit considering how stories purposefully give new information as time goes on like what are you Doing why even bother watching past episode 1 if you refuse to even perceive outright text

And in real issues it's like climate change deniers and all sorts of political and social stuff and the like

But it all boils down to cherry picking information and not taking in anything new or being able to have nuanced thoughts and the range of effect is anything from annoying people on my posts to devastating consequences to the world and I'm in hell sitting next to information and media literary

[moonyinpisces]

“a love story doesn’t automatically include sex” i feel myself being radicalized