#but like they're women. cause i like women.
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radfemgirlmom · 1 day ago
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Read it mother fucker
"be aware of radfem pipelines and dog whistles too. be skeptical of anyone that talks about the divine feminine or correlates birthing, menstruating, or female reproductive organs with womanhood." Then what the fuck should I equate it to, jackass?
I'm ABSOLUTELY convinced, and it is statistically supported, that men are more destructive and violent, by a reasonable margin, than women in many different ways. Socialization or not, it's clear men have caused harm in a million more ways to this world than women have (we haven't had the chance to even because of years of oppression and lack of freedoms) men ARE so very clearly the enemy. "whagghhg women are meean to me" NEWSFLASH, men are much more likely to carry out true violence on trans women than any radfem. Try and argue that with us. Men are not only a threat to women, they're a threat to themselves as they mostly murder each other, when they aren't murdering their significant others or exes. Again, check the statistics and come back with radicalization or another pocketful of excuses and made up shit to spout out all day. Choice is yours.
The regressive society we live in Was created by men period. The society we live in that allows men like trump to be in power, "democratically", was entirely crafted by men and no women. Picture what a world would be like run entirely by women, and not radfems, but women who subscribe to your worldview and have no problem with ridiculous trans "issues" (can't take muh hormones) wow that's crazy, I have epilepsy and my CBD is $200 a month because this system won't cover it! Not everyone suffering is a tranny
garden variety conservative transphobia is going to get worse but radical feminism is also going to get worse. if youre a cis women terfs are going to try to recruit you and make you believe that the reason your rights are at stake is because of trans people. they're going to tell you that all men are your violent oppressors and they're going to include trans women in that category. they're gonna tell you about women who are gender traitors and joined the enemy and they're going to point to trans men. don't believe them. trans people are not your enemy, we have no power over you, and we desperately need your support and your solidarity.
be aware of radfem pipelines and dog whistles too. be skeptical of anyone that talks about the divine feminine or correlates birthing, menstruating, or female reproductive organs with womanhood. be especially skeptical of people who use those biological things as reasons to why women are more spiritual, or more in tune with nature, or just that they're better than men (read: anyone they decide is a man)
radical feminism is an expected reactionary outcome from cis women who are being oppressed by conservatives, especially when all they practice is ciscentric, liberal, white feminism. they feel the need to be radicalized but don't have the experience and information to pinpoint the true source of their suffering. trans people are not your enemy, AMAB people are not your enemy, anyone who identifies as a man is not your enemy. we're all being crushed under the same stone
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cheeeryos · 3 days ago
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I can't deal with these posts like "we just have to get through the next few years" like that'll be the end of it. do we all not understand the scale of lasting, long-term damage this will have if they actually do half the things they promised to do??
any hope of any sort of climate-centered policy? gone. we're already at irreversible damage stage but they're just gonna barrel on through, like they're trying to win a bet to see how fast they can cause the next extinction event
they want to gut the federal government, fire thousands of career professional experts and replace all the decision makers with unqualified, ignorant sycophants, idealogues, and conspiracy theorists. say hello to regular pandemics ig
no question they're going to replace two of the oldest supreme court justices with new model hitler youth fascists to enshrine the conservative supermajority for the next 50 years
like...yeah we can talk about their horrifying plans for individual issues, the rise in economic inequality, the deeply entrenched hatred of women from the younger generation that's only getting worse, etc etc etc, but these structural things will touch all of them. every single aspect of american life is about be gutted and it will take decades (at minimum!) to rebuild. it's hard to even give examples. like remember the joke about how all our problems can be traced back to reagan? this is going to be so unbelievably worse
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kitweewoos · 3 hours ago
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I don't know if I have the energy to write it, but imagine a fic where Tommy breaking up with Buck causes Buck to backslide into Buck 1.0, and starts to sleep around again, with men and women this time, but it's so much more hollow than it used to be, and it's definitely self-destructive, because what's the point of getting attached to someone if they're going to walk away when he's ready for more. So he starts sleeping around, without caring who it is or what it's doing to him, and he's wearing himself down, not getting enough sleep and not looking after his own health, so his leg hurts and he skips therapy, and it aches every day that his love for someone, the first time he wanted to make an effort for someone, they turned him away so easily.
It takes a disaster, or an emergency, for Buck and Tommy to run into each other again, and Tommy sees what he's done. Buck is pale and he can see hickies on his neck that usually Buck would never let anyone see, and he can see some red marks on his wrist from being tied up, and he sees the way he favors his good leg, and.. he realizes that he doesn't want to see Buck this broken down, to see anyone else's touch on him, that he was wrong, god, he was wrong, and then Buck is hurt, or trapped, or something because it's *gestures to Buck* - and he knows that he can't let Buck slip away for one more moment because this hurts them both more than he stopped. He had been afraid of getting his heart broken, but he'd turned that hurt on Buck who didn't deserve that, not when he'd put his heart out in front of Tommy like that and Tommy had let something so fucking stupid get in the way of their future together.
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titleknown · 9 hours ago
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Preserving the tags from the reblog-ee:
#negging works apparently just not in the way they think#<<<<<prev#men think negging works BECAUSE IT WORKS ON THEM#its basically the only mode of social communication for many of them!!!#it works extremely well on them from women especially
Cause like... to yes-and, I feel like we as a culture should talk about that more, because it's hard for me to put it fully into words, but I think you're right and I think it's related to why it's so hard for anti-sexism efforts to reach certain men.
IE, to put it in brain-jumbled terms, it seems like they view kindness as a kind of veiled insincerity because of how they're taught to view their own immiseration as a personal failing* so they think that kindness and the invitation to be kind to themselves is just an invitation to further immiserate themselves by not keeping up their own crushingly brutal standards.
Tho, this is speaking as a male-ish disabled someone who constantly beats up on themself because of the internalized idea that "If I don't, I'll just fall even deeper into the patterns that crushed by dreams," so I might be projecting, but I think I've seen that as a dynamic in a lot of other people.
The real problem is what to do about it in a society that does; in fact; punish you for being kind to yourself...
*Note that this is often related to a broader idea of passive abject neglect as the default state of being a person, often opposed to the active malice marginalized folks get. I say "often" because in men who are in marginalized demographics, you end up with both frames of reference, and that really fucks you up
the idea that reactionary spaces are attractive to men because they treat them kindly unlike The Left is so odd because whenever I come across that content it's essentially the same dynamic as pro ana "meanspo". if you don't know what that is, it's "motivation" based on degrading the viewer to the point where they can't "make excuses" and not become anorexic, or in this case a true Alpha Male. I feel like thisis objectively worse for someone's mental health than The Left
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shaunashipman · 24 hours ago
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I know we're all upset right now, but just to correct the record Oliver did say nice things about Tommy and Buck's relationship in these interviews. He confirmed that the relationship would always be meaningful to Buck and that Tommy was just scared and that's why they broke up.
I do think Oliver is in a weird position of knowing the relationship wasn't going to last. Tim confirmed it was all his idea to have then break up. And at this point Oliver knows no Buck relationship is for the long haul.
Oliver was biphobic, but I didn't think he knows or is sensitive as to why. And I think he should have done more to stand up for Lou. But I think his perspective is very different from ours (and Lou's) because he knew it was always going to end one way or another.
Idk I just think we can be critical of him and his actions while still understanding that at the end of the day he's just a dude doing a job the best he can.
he knew his co-star in the storyline was being sent death threats for months and said nothing, did nothing. the same as he did when megan and annelise were being attacked. he said he knew the actresses playing his LI's had been attacked but didn't know "if it was deserved" as if being hired for a job makes you deserving of being attacked. not only did he not speak up in defence of lou or any of them, but he continues to play ball with the very ppl who are doing the attacking, bolstering their confidence that what they're doing is show approved.
of course he said nice things about bucktommy, the relationship ending was the story of the ep and it didn't end in a way that made the whole relationship bad—just tommy.
did he say anything nice about lou? did he acknowledge that despite him apparently knowing the relationship wasn't gonna last, lou was completely blindsided?
yes oliver was biphobic. of course he didn't mean to be biphobic. so many ppl don't mean to be racist, or sexist, ableist. that doesn't absolve them of anything. and if he actually cared about doing the bisexual storyline justice, he would have done the bare minimum research to know what he said was extremely biphobic. and his half-assed "i'm sorry you were offended" apology doesn't really ring true when buck has broken up with 4 women over the course of the series and not once did oliver suggest he should sleep around to deal with it. but now suddenly that he's bisexual, he should, as were oliver's exact words "go guy, guy, girl, girl, guy, guy". like that is the most basic bisexual stereotype, if he didn't realize that was biphobic, what the fuck business does he have playing a bisexual character?
he's not doing the job the best he can. if he was, he would have some modicum of care for buck's journey, which is like the most basic thing to ask of an actor playing a long-term role. and was it all tim's idea to have them break up? or did oliver's texts asking to have buck fuck around have anything to do with it? we'll never know cause oliver's a coward who is going to stay silent until this blows over and then only interact with the ppl who don't care to know the answers to any of this, cause they got what they wanted.
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thebreakfastgenie · 2 days ago
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I don't even know who these supposed man-hater leftists are. If they're talking about TERFs, that'd be weird because the TERFs have fully aligned themselves with Trump and the alt-right—so like, who's left? Was Kamala Harris a super big man-hater? Has AOC been on the circuit talking about how evil men are? Who are the liberal feminist influencers who hate men and have these huge platforms that are causing men to feel so bad about themselves? Because everywhere I look, all I see is women desperately trying to figure out how not to alienate men, so they don't die on an operating table or get sent to prison for using a public restroom.
That's the thing!!! Like, where is it?? 99% of the time the "man hate" is like, random women on the internet venting their frustration or talking about their experiences. Meanwhile multiple women I know have been on the receiving end of harassment, graphic suicide messages, and doxxing from the left.
The thing that alienated men from the Harris campaign was Harris being a woman running for president. Unfortunately if we want to win we can't say "fuck 'em" because men are almost half this country, but a bunch of women who do not work for the Democratic Party and do not get paid for this saying "fuck 'em!" in the days after a historic woman-hating election is not a problem.
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chuunyu · 2 days ago
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Honestly, I find Mizuki relatable for the reasons a lot of people have said they can't relate to them. This isn't to put down anyone, I just wanna share my thoughts too cause other perspectives are interesting ^^
For context, I'm an afab nonbinary lesbian, and I present fairly feminine most days but I am transneutral. I have an accepting family and awesome friends who I know would support me.
The problem is that I'm always scared to come out. Specifically scared of *how things will change,* just like Mizuki is. I don't want people to awkwardly try to acknowledge my transness in regular conversation, or to try to be extra nice because they view me differently but want to pretend that nothing at all has changed, I just want to be the same old me that I always have been. I felt seen by their story in a way I haven't by a lot of other queer media- the anxiety of coming out not being tied to a lack of acceptance but to the *almost* imperceptible way things change and the sudden feeling of being different where you weren't before, especially if everybody around you is cis. It's scary and I think Mizu5, and Mizuki in general, capture that perfectly
Oh huh, I wouldn't have assumed there'd be that kind of appeal to someone who isn't amab transfem.
It makes me think about how actually maybe Mizuki's character being focused on acceptance and nothing else actually helps broaden their appeal, despite still having the complexities that come with being amab.
In general, Mizuki could be relatable for anyone who's fem but has some aspect to themself that others them from "normal" women. For example, being intersex and having that information get out. Really anyone queer can relate to the whole thing of fake acceptance and fear of change.
And that makes me think that actually Mizuki's character is maybe less... imperfect like I've said before and more-so that they were designed really well. They're a character that isn't just accessible by transfems and I think that, that's powerful.
From the two asks I've gotten, I've noticed that people really appreciate or relate to Mizuki despite not fully seeing themself in them. I think that's really interesting, but I don't really know what to say about it exactly.
When I think about the issues that come with Mizuki's acceptance, I think about attitudes towards amab people and their friendships with women. As someone who's been othered by most women in my life outside of when they've wanted to date me, the ways I think about how Mizuki's friendships would change after coming out is very particular. There's always this assumption that amab people are predators and terfs apply that heavily onto trans people. When I see Mizuki after mizu5, that's one of the big things that I think of and maybe it'll be important in the story, maybe it won't (it probably won't). That's a part of how I relate to their situation though. Mizuki being villainized, like, you know, the song,, lol
idk
I think it's cool that there are so many angles of relation to Mizuki! I think it's really cool.
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random-thought-depository · 58 minutes ago
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I agree with you on general principles, but I think it's also worth pointing out here that the brewing potential liberal moral panic about "gen Z radicalization" is really not supported by the exit polls I've seen.
In 2024, the 18-29 year old vote went 54% to Harris, 43% to Trump. That made 18-29 year olds the most Harris-voting and least Trump-voting age group. The Trumpiest age group was 45-64; 54% of them voted for Trump and 44% of them voted for Harris. This does conceal a concerning gender polarization among 18-29 year olds; Harris won 18-29 year old women in a landslide, while Trump narrowly won 18-29 year old men. As I said, that is concerning ... but 18-29 year old men were the least Trump-voting men in the electorate in 2024. The most Trump-voting men were 45-64 year old men, 60% of whom voted for Trump and 38% of whom voted for Harris.
This does contrast alarmingly with Biden winning a 60% to 36% landslide among 18-29 year olds in 2020. It's more in-line with 18-29 year old voting patterns in 2016 though; Harris actually performed almost as well with 18-29 year olds as Hillary Clinton did (did worse than Clinton by one percentage part) ... but Trump did do substantially better with 18-29 year olds in 2024 than in 2016 (43% vs. 36%).
Basically:
2024 does not actually buck the "Democrats do best with young people and non-white people, Republicans do best with older white people" normal; the big shock and red flag is that this effect has weakened (whether this is a permanent shift or happened because of 2024-specific factors and will reverse in the next election remains to be seen).
Even in 2024 18-29 year olds voted left of the rest of the electorate (and yes, that still holds if you compare 18-29 year old men to older men).
Yeah, 18-29 year olds apparently moved right in 2024, but so did more-or-less the whole fucking country (including women, despite all the talk about gender polarization), Gen Z voters weren't special. Latino/as moved right too in the same way (a normally Dem-favoring demographic who favored the Dems less in 2024) but I don't see anybody implying they're now an especially reactionary demographic.
Gen Z voting patterns in 2024 aren't even a shocking huge outlier compared to voting patterns for 18-29 year olds in 2020 and 2016.
Also:
Based on the popular vote count so far, I think Trump's win in 2024 looks more like a result of a collapse of liberal enthusiasm than a result of a surge of support for right-wing politics. At this point, Trump has slightly topped his 2020 vote total, while Harris is still about 10 million votes below Biden's 2020 total (I think the USA still has a growing population, so the 2024 electorate is more people). The votes haven't all been counted yet, so it's premature to draw firm conclusions from this ... but it looks like most of the still uncounted votes are in California, Oregon, and Washington (especially California, which Harrris won quite heftily), so my guess is Trump's vote total isn't going to go up a lot.
In that context ... if there's any age demographic in the US electorate where I think "I'm soured on the Dems cause Biden wasn't as leftist as I'd hoped and Harris looks likely to be more of the same and/or I can't vote for a candidate who looks likely to continue the policies that gave Genocide Joe that nickname" might have caused a huge collapse of liberal enthusiasm, it's 18-29 year olds. How much of the apparent rightward shift of Gen Z in 2024 is actually rightward and how much is politically progressive young people staying home because they were turned off by a perception that Harris was a candidate of the status quo and continued genocide? If I'm reading these right, it looks like 18-29 year olds were 17% of voters in 2020 and 14% in 2024, which is consistent with the hypothesis that a lot of leftist and liberal young people just stayed home in 2024.
Going by these exit polls, if there's a modal face of Trumpist reaction in 2024, it's a middle-aged man. But, of course, a middle-aged husband and father who owns a house and has a job that pays more than $60,000 per year has more social capital than a 19 year old college student and his 17 year old brother who watch YouTube videos about how to be an "alpha male," and he probably has a form of reactionary politics that's more socially normalized, so the latter two people are easier targets.
Every age group old enough to have opinions about politics has political diversity; individuals should be judged as individuals.
remember when millennials said we weren't going to be as weird and stupid about gen z as boomers were about us? lol that didn't last long huh
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jerrythebug · 5 months ago
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Some fast drawings I made for Twitter
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umblrspectrum · 6 months ago
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every ship is simultaneously real and non-real depending on whether it fits my narrative at any given moment. schrodingers ship. schipdinger
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box-dwelling · 2 days ago
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I actually have something to add here. Because the thing is, this should be enough. Fundamentally it should. And this has been a thing I've been getting very frustrated with for years. At its core the fact that it does more good, it furthers the cause of making the world better and more vitally than that it's just kinder should be all the matters. (There are also very important intersection arguments I'm not getting into but they're there and important. But they in my experience move the needle just as little)
But the response I so often see is just, that people are hurt and this is their outlet. Of course you're distrustful of men if you have to live under misogyny and suffer the effects of that. It was only in the past few days I realised why that argument pissed me off so much.
While my relationship with gender is complex and my own I have suffered under some pretty brutal misogyny. To the extent that my therapist had no issue saying it was one of the causes of my ptsd. I have been hurt and I have been hurt badly. I am the person that should be acting like that.
Then I realised why I don't.
When you say men are all just like this, what I hear is just boys will be boys. I hear you coddling the people who hurt me. I hear that my abuse was justified and an unavoidable fact of life.
And it wasn't. Those were men who made choices. Men who chose not to be better. To not show empathy to me, and yes that's societal, but there are men who don't do that. Men who choose to deconstruct the issue. There are so many men who do the work. Who are better who don't hurt me and won't. Just like there are women who do too because patriarchy instills it's values in all it's victims. This is work everyone has to do.
The men who hurt me could have chosen to be better just as the men I have in my life now among my loved ones have. They didn't. And that's their fault.
And Im sick of people claiming otherwise in my honour
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I couldn't have said it better myself.
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suguruuuuu-chan · 6 months ago
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T4t Zosan save me....save me t4t Zosan...
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fromtheseventhhell · 1 year ago
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I want to make a longer post about this someday but: I think Arya's TWOW arc is going to include her coming to terms with her identity as a Lady. This has been an ongoing conflict with her since her first chapter and I think her flowering in winds is going to mark a turning point. The theory of her having an apprenticeship with the courtesans holds a lot of weight and the idea of Arya going through puberty among a group of unconventional women she's fostered a positive relationship with is just too perfect. It would really have an impact on Arya reconciling her personal idea of what a Lady should be. There's also a lot that she could learn from them in terms of courtesies, communication, appearances, body-language, etc. that would elevate her current skill-set and ways her relationship with them could push the plot.
Not to mention she will undoubtedly reclaim her identity as Arya Stark, and her being a Lady is inseparable from that. Arya Stark is a Lady Stark and being a Lady is a social position, not a measure of how well someone preforms feminine tasks. She shouldn't have to relinquish her position because she doesn't fit patriarchal standards. That's not to say that she's ever going to be the perfect example of a traditional Lady but what I think will happen is that she becomes capable of playing the part. She plays several identities throughout the series but she's always been Arya underneath, so I think it's appropriate that she learns to adopt a "persona" that's part of her. Her remembering Ned putting on his "Lord's face" (+ the various examples of other characters being separate from their ruling persona) makes me think that Arya will be donning her "Lady's face" when she makes a return to Westeros.
#arya stark#asoiaf#twow speculations#Arya has been through so much traumatic shit and I think her flowering is going to bring up a lot of her self-esteem issues#I just really need her surrounded by kind older women when that happens so she can have some comfort#George saying her arc in braavos could be the plot of a YA novel?? definitely makes me think she's going to grow up a lot there#she's already one of the most mature characters so I think part of it's going to be her accepting her duty as a Stark Lady#she wants to help and protect people and the best way she can do that is if she has political power#She could learn that first hand in TWOW#possibly through her finding out about her marriage??? and meeting Jeyne in Braavos??#and before someone says it courtesans are so much more then sex work so I don't want to hear it#they are such a big part of Braavosi high life...they're cultured and connected with very important people#I just have so many thoughts on the subject cause I think her apprenticeship with them will serve multiple purposes#the faceless men and their plans...the iron bank...the sealord...It's all connected and I think her apprenticeship with them will kick off#the braavos plot and could mark the beginning of the end of her time with the faceless men and in braavosi#half a boy half a wolf pup -> half a lady half a wolf#I think her current skillset fits well and it's likely she'll learn even more in TWOW#Arya defining her own role as a Lady and becoming comfortable means so much to me
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lala-blahblah · 2 months ago
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I will never make this because it would be for an audience of one (me) but ever since reading "If we Were Villains" (story about serious drama kids in college who perform shakespeare and deal with a murder) I have been entertaining the thought of a crack fic crossover with High School Musical The Musical The Series where the staff decides they will no longer put on shakespeare after the tragic accident that happened at Thanksgiving, because Shakespeare plays would only increase the tension and drama. So they hire Ms. Jen who decides their spring play will actually be High School Musical (which exists in the 90s in this universe) and it ruins the vibe so much that everyone gives up on being dark and mysterious because they're universally pissed at Ms Jen for making them learn choreoraphed basketball dancing.
#if we were villains is actually genuinely good and has actual literary worth and pulls from shakespeare in an intelligent meaningful way#but unfortunately all i can do is comedy so this is the only fan content i have to offer :(#THE THING IS iwwv is just hsmtmts if it hsmtmts was good and also they committed crimes#they utilize the same parallel of casting choices with real life drama which I love#umm so casting: Meredith would be Sharpay Obvi. I think it would be really funny if James was cast as Ryan bc they hate eachother and would#have to pretend to be siblings working together. And I think ashley tisdale and Lucas Gabreel actually didn't get along when filming#also i love the thought of Ms Jen looking at James and going “i know what you are”#HOWEVER it would be more interesting if james was Chad to Oliver's Troy (which is really just reversing their Romeo and Juliet moment)#bc chad is like nooo don't do theater... stick with me and do basketball... but it would be Coded Subtextually#Unfortunately Wren would be typecast as Gabriella and I don't think that would cause drama bc I don't believe James actually liked her!#I think it was comp het bc she was very sweet and nonthreatening as opposed to Meredith's big flirting energy so she would be a “safe” crus#lets lean into that actually. this gives Wren a chance to have a personality (bc I enjoy this book but it is not good at fleshing out women#So oliver and Wren spend more time together and kind of talk about James a little and Wren is like yeah James is very sweet#and I like him but it feels so hard to get him to feel comfortable with me... i guess he's just closed off and doesn't talk much#we also get to see more of her personality and interests maybe she's like I relate to gabriella because I also like to Read :) feminism#and oliver is like Hmm That Is Not My Experience With Him perhaps our bond is deeper and James does like me Hm#And then Meredith can flirt with him as Sharpay and James gets pissed and in character gets very intense about how Troy can't join THEATER#that's why he's upset and sad bc sharpay represents theater and only that reason and nothing else and he isn't in love with oliver At All#Alexander can be Ryan now since James is Chad (and he's also Gay) and Filippa can be Kenzie bc they're both queer coded#Anyway at rehearsal one day Meredith and James and Oliver are having their fighting over troy moment and then Meredith stops and is like#wait guys. This musical is so freaking stupid. why are we even doing this#and their mutual frustration at their art being turned into a farce is enough to bond them together and they're like#we need to focus on our REAL enemy: ms Jen#and then they hatch a scheme and it's probably like. They dump a bucket of fake blood on her at opening night a la carrie#and then put on their own rebellious production... it still has to be a musical because i like musicals#families with children are in the audience and they're like OK FOLKS! HERE'S ROCKY HORROR PICTURE SHOW!#if we were villains#iwwv#hsmtmts#high school musical the musical the series
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awetisum · 2 days ago
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1. They could've and would've; Maybe if you spent less time multi shipping and defending all men because a certain percentage of them do good things you would know that.
2. I know women have done terrible things too, but just search up gender statistics and you'll see why we're focusing on men here.
3. While yes, misandry does cause issues and is a present, not many men get rejected from jobs just because they're a man. That is like going up to a Native American and saying that the Americans and English have been done wrong too; while not technically incorrect, still doesn't mean the Native American doesn't have the right to complain.
4. Every human is unique in their own way, but I have never said that I'm a big ol' victim or that I'm extremely oppressed, I actually get away with some, and I repeat, SOME, things because I'm a woman. And I know men have issues caused by women, but that doesn't mean women are entitled because they don't like misogyny. That is victim blaming at it's finest. If the roles were reversed, you would defend the man, right? So why is it any different for women?
But I do formally apologize for any profanity I called you in the heat of the moment. I do end up getting carried away with swearing when I'm mad, and I had some angry thoughts rushing through my head.
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lucienne-thee-librarian · 4 months ago
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Okay but also because I'm a pedantic bitch...in relation to that post I just reblogged explaining part of gay-on-gay bigotry...what if some people are just assholes who happen to be gay, or bi or trans? And they're all for oppression or just plain cruelty as long as it's aimed at other people? Like that's also something to consider.
I don't actually think, any longer, that "internalized self-hate projected outward and also suppressed envy for someone who's doing and being all the things you were convinced into not allowing yourself" is...all there is to this phenonemon. And I wish we'd stop fixating on that quite so much just because we want to be frankly, nicer than some of these people have ever deserved. It's always more satisfying on some level, to imagine your enemies as Tortured deep inside (whether it's because you feel a bit malicious or you just want to believe that there's a way to reach out and heal them with kindness.) than to admit that Sometimes They're Just a Shithead.
Now, do I think that complex can be a big part of it? Oh yeah. And of COURSE, different people have different motivations in different amounts and yadda yadda yadda. No group of people, ethnic, gender, political or otherwise is a Monolith. (For one thing, when it comes to these Pick-Me Gay/Trans pundits and Influencers, money and clout should never be left out as an explanation. Just saying.) But that's the point, isn't it? Any ONE explanation can't explain them all completely.
Tbh, I think we need to consider some people are just bullies who happened to be born not cis or straight. And even if they were bullied at one point for their identity, they learned absolutely nothing from the experience except Don't Be On the Social Reject Side. So they moved their thinking just enough that "woman who likes women" "man who likes men" "I just happened o want to be a woman instead, or a man instead despite how I was born" could be put in the Safe category and they fight for that. Everyone else though, is still fair game and even a fair target. Some people don't just want power to escape oppression and live their lives in peace, they WANT to BE the ones oppressing. Like, do we ACTUALLY understand that LGBT people are humans too and that that includes the bad side?
It tracks a lot better too, when you consider that a lot of people like the masc4masc gays are openly racist and fatphobic. "No fems" Yes but also "No fats. No Asians." Christ, I could think of countless examples of white thin (and sometimes but not necessary cis) queer people doing that sort of thing. I'm sure y'all can too. This idea of some poor lost soul Tormented by Self Hate and Envy of the Freedom of Others doesn't do shit to explain that. Like, even if the two things coexist and they can, it doesn't explain that part.
I honestly just think the uglier but more accurate truth is that lot of queer people aren't all Hashtag Gay or Trans Rights or aren't Liberal out of any sense of justice AT ALL but only self-interest. Being an activist because you're a member of an oppressed group is like, entirely normal and fine of course BUT it becomes real clear when someone's framework of ethics and politics is PURELY "I think me (and people I personally like and approve of) being oppressed is bad" and literally not one inch deeper.
You can tell because if it was deeper, why would they find it so easy to turn around to a fellow queer/trans person to jeer at and humiliate and throw them under the bus if they think they're a Deadweight to the group by being a Weirdo I Don't Want to Stand Next to, Eww...or if they just don't personally like them? Why have you clearly spent absolutely no time unpacking any of the prejudice and biases around gender sexuality (or GOD FORBID race) that society throws at you.. at least no more time than it takes to rationalize yourself out of the category of Should Be Destroyed and Oppressed?
We are not immune from this sort of terminally self-interested activism. I just feel like we'd get a lot further as a society, as a community, if sometimes our analysis of bullies and assholes didn't fixate on finding some deep pain and trauma inside them, to explain their actions in a way that makes them look more tortured and less malicious (even if we say, even mean, that it's not supposed to be an excuse). Sometimes people are just racist, or fatphobic. Sometimes lesbians or gay men or bi or trans people just want to be judgmental bullies too.
Sometimes the reality isn't Tragic Villain Backstory. Sometimes, its just a selfish, deeply pathetic person refusing to become any less, because it's easier not to; even if you had a unique chance to see how the other side lives, a chance your straight cis bully peers didn't get by virtue of their identities.
#(same mentality as women who think every abortion is evil besides theirs. Freedom for me not for thee#ppl act like that's so shocking I used to. But now I'm just like...well have we considered Selfishness?#these women only rationalized and unpacked enough to make an exception for themselves.#and then actively refused to learn a thing from the experience. They carried on being as misogynistic as ever#judging all other women and claiming pregnancy is an appropriate punishment for not doing Everything Right#(except when its me). you can tell by that. They just happen to be misogynists with self-interest#human beings have an AMAZING ability to do all kinds#of mental gymnastics to believe things that contradict each other#we're not rational creatures. Accept this now and many more things will make sense this is an order. ANYWAY)#plus imo this Self Loathing theory fails to explain that not every feminine woman or masculine man#hates their gender presentation? Like yeah a lot of the makeup and diet culture is awful but#there are always gonna be ppl who want to dress a certain way regardless of societal pressure#making it exponentially harder to detangle where your Genuine Wants end and that begins.#the downsides of being social animals. And I guess I just don't know who's served#by pretending that's not a thing. The older i get the more i think we need to be careful before#our honest attempts to explain why peoole fight for systems/things that cause them trouble turn into infantilization#it's very possible to turn condescending and infantilizing going all Oh People Don't Know What's Best For Them#They're All Brainwashed. Give oppressed people the agency to be assholes too#plus it just leaves these ppl the opportunity to go I Don't Hate Myself#lmao loser.' Whereas 'you're just an asshole who doesn't care about anyone but yourself getting hurt'#is while not something they might be swayed by or care about a lot harder to refute.#we can't always know what goes on in people's heads. Going by their actions is helpful tho
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