#but i don't ship wincest

[brsb4hls]

Ok, but if you wanna circle that Siken quote around, maybe post the whole thing?

The second part is the important one.

Also, for those who still can't seperate fiction from reality and are obvi already pestering him, because he dared to name that ship:

[jamevaa]

A thing my mom's told us, and I believe applies to Dean, is that my parents could never really, fully sleep until we were back home, when we were old enough to go out.

And I really think it'd be the same for Dean about Sam, but even worse, because for practically all his life they have slept in the same room and their lives are so much more dangerous.

Between Stanford and the bunker Dean would only be able to sleep very lightly, on that edge of awareness where you kinda know you're sleeping, until Sam came back to the motel and then he'd become aware just enough to process Sam-back-and-safe and promptly fall back into a proper deep sleep. And he'd never really realize that happens or think much about it, because it's just part of the standard care-for-Sammy package.

[keith-party]

forever obsessed with that performative little song and dance antis do where one of them interacts with content they genuinely enjoy from a "proship" account and then when their weirdly invasive followers alert them of the misstep they have to be all like OMG EW GROSS as if they actually care, lest they be suspected of the unforgivable crime of liking Problematic Art. It's like clockwork.

[dragonlands]

I watched 7 seasons of supernatural in 2015 bc I had seen Destiel gifs on tumblr and the show made no sense to me at all. I finally gave in now to watch it for the Wincest and oh. Now I get it.

[jinkieswouldyoulookatthis]

based on this post by @samspartyhat

[angel-fruitcake]

when one of my mutuals posts about a ship i don't love but i still support them and their opinions

[ivebeenwinchestered]

The main reason I got back into Supernatural was because I was offended there was no Samdean page on the Shipping Wiki. Well, there's one now but it's still a work in progress. Who is show about again? 🙃

I would be grateful if people could help me write the page. Every contribution is welcome but be aware that wincest is not allowed on the wiki outside of the fanon section so keep everything stricly to canon material.

[psychicsamlover]

that feeling when I can't even be angry with a problematic ship I don't like cause I literally ship brothers

[friendlyneighbourhoodfreak]

Sam, Dean, Cass and Jack should have made out at least a dozen time in the course of seasons 13-15.

[fandom-hoarder]

Help this is so funny. These are right on top of each other on the same blog?? 😅😅😅😅

Girl (gn), that's wincest by proxy lololol

[clowndensation]

wait explain to me the destiel hatred i’m curious what abt it angers u that doesn’t apply to the other two ships

great question! the answer would unfortunately require 3 hours and a powerpoint presentation, so i will try to do a brief summary:

a ship sucking only ever has about 25% to do with the ship itself. destiel is bad in the sense that i think dean winchester is an annoying character that gets treated with kiddie gloves by the narrative, which makes him irritating to see on screen, because i personally dislike it when "men are angry and abusive because they just love too strongly, and don't know how to express it :(" is played straight as a character's primary internal conflict. especially over 15 seasons. it's boring, he's boring, and 35 year old men shouldn't be going to colleges trying to figure out which freshman girls are legal or not. hate him.

however the real sin of destiel, beyond the fact that dean winchester and i have beef that will only ever resolve when i get to reincarnate as the rusty nail that kills him, is that the fans are so so so fucking annoying. like yes the narrative frames dean as a golden boy who can either do no wrong, or "well, i guess he did wrong there, but what about how tortured he is :(" but good god. at least the show isn't trying to convince me that destiel is some groundbreaking lifechanging love story, complete with "omg this moment" montages where they romanticize scenes that feature dean either insulting, threatening, or humiliating cas. like this entire show (post season 5) is dean chronically either infantillizing and attempting to keep cas under his control, or holding him up as the only person he can rely on, thus giving cas expectations that are impossible to fulfill.

and don't get me wrong! people can like a shitty person and a fucked up ship. that's basically everything i enjoy on here. but at least like. acknowledge it. aldfkjalka. and if you're gonna like a shitty person and a fucked up ship, at least write about it in an interesting way. 90% of fic and posts written about destiel aren't even about destiel as presented in canon, they're about two generic men with generic personalities who suffer from the world's most generic tropey problems. cookie cutter ass basic relationship. the high school au of ships. boring.

[lilacpaperbird]

not being able to follow someone really funny who ships your favorite ship because they also ship your most hated ship

[philtatosbuck]

is there a reason you don't ship them besides them being brothers? because if you'd ship them if they weren't brothers, i've got some bad news for ya

i hate sam

[cliveguy]

i was going to just not post this and repeat my getting mad online is the mind killer mantra but this was the first post i saw today. do you genuinely from the bottom of your heart think that not caring about ethel cain's wincest post means you support real life forms of abuse. or are you just saying things for the sake of tumblr discourse.

[horuslupercal]

Discovered your block, saw I'm literally everything you hated (Don't care about primarchxprimarch shipping, in the weird spot of being considered transphobic by tumblr standards for thinking gender isnt real but being called "tranny apologist" by 4chan stereotypes for telling them to just leave people alone, vaugely pro Isreal purely due to hamas but knowing it's very complicated issue and I'm not NEARLY knowledgable enough to form a solid opinion other than "leave civilians alone, hamas can burn in hell") but the posts of you playing games with your cat just look so cosy and "this could be me" and I just had this weird philosophical feeling of "This seems like the sort of personality I would be friends with if I met them irl but online they explicitly dislike me for xyz opnions"

Do you ever get the feeling/see cases of people putting all sorts of conditions up online for who they interact with but when you see the same person in real life they comparatively just... don't give a shit. Like you see "stereotypical tumblr user" hang out with people who makes occasional edgy jokes but don't mean them. I think on the internet, espcially on websites with a generlly cohesive culture (tumblr/4chan/etc) it's easy to isolate yourself by making "morally good people" the ones who have the same answer to everything that you do rather than differing solution to the same problem, unlike real life where you undoubtedly have friends/family you WILDLY disagree with on something but you still consider them a good person.

Sorry for the ramble, I'm adhd and bad at expressing myself with brevity. I just got weirdly philosophical over this. And I just hope people who agree on the fundamentals of "do what you want as long as it dosen't hurt anyone" but not the specifics on politics could bond more over the more... human? things. Like at the end of the day, were all someone who want to cuddle up and play games with our cat.

yeah man see I have this thing called principles. regardless of personality matches and shared hobbies, I will also call this stuff out it irl and it will impact my opinion of you. I have done this to family, I have done this to acquaintances, and I will continue doing it. and the reason people get so strict about it on the internet especially is that there is literally zero incentive to tolerate stupid shit. I'm here to relax and there are a million people I can do that with who aren't going to make me spend my time and energy debating with them

I will admit the shipping ban is an issue of annoyance more than anything else, because Warhammer fans don't seem to have ever encountered the concept of "do what you want in your own time, don't make me see it in mine". I have repeatedly had people knowingly overstep my boundaries about it when I state it more nicely so, if a policy of aggression means they stop trying to show it to me, I'm for it. but issues like supporting an ethnostate currently committing genocide? I am very, very serious. no amount of "well maybe they'll get Hamas" excuses the actively ongoing genocide. actions are everything.

[ltleflrt]

can i ask - what are you thoughts on the current anti-shipping phenomenon in fandom? I've recently gotten into SPN fandom and fallen in love with your fics, but the state of the fandom puzzles me a bit.

Anti-shipping is not a SPN fandom phenomenon, and maybe it seems to be a bigger deal to you because it's a bigger fandom? Wincest and Destiel shippers have been at war since episode 04x01 aired lol...we even have derogatory names for each other: Wincels and Hellers.

(Jokes on the Wincels, because Heller is a fucking awesome name.)

(Wincestiel shippers are fandom unicorns, and they deserve love and respect.)

I've only been involved in fandom since 2011, so most of what I know about anti-shippers comes from piles and piles of posts talking about fandom history, but the gist of it is that this is not current, it is ongoing since the dawn of fandoms, we just have names for it now. Think about Spirk back in the 60s...there were lots of rabid fangirls who saw nothing romantic between them too. We just don't hear as much about them, because they lost their fandom war lol

It's just really loud right now with the rise of conservatism, fascism, and terfs. And social media amplifies all of the above.

Anyway, my thoughts on anti-shippers is that they need to grow up and mind their own business. I am a pro-shipper, which means I believe that anyone has the right to love any ship, no matter how problematic, no matter how much it squicks me out. I believe everyone should be allowed to read whatever vile smut they want, because thought crimes are not real.

Unless a real person is being hurt, have fun.

Antis claim that problematic ships and kinks hurt people, but I think it's important to understand that there's a big difference between accidental and deliberate harm. And harm mitigation is highly important in a world with 7+ billion people and 7+ billion different lived experiences.

If an anti-shipper is hurt by a ship they don't like, they need to learn how to block and filter content so they don't see it, and on the opposite side of that, the vile shippers/kinksters need to tag their nonsense so that they're not accidentally burning someone's eyes out. Which most people ARE kind enough to do. They sit around in their little ficcing circles and cackle over the evil things they're putting their blorbos through, and they put up warning signs, but the antis come barging in to bug them anyway.

In my opinion, many antis are big fucking bullies and do a lot more harm than they claim to try and prevent, and they can all go fuck themselves with something hard and sandpapery.

So uh... yeah, that's how I feel about it 😁

(okay actually I'm not done, there's a lot of anti-shipping discourse about age gaps and what counts as incest that are just... really fucking stupid, and I honestly believe that shit started out because people were grasping for straws to justify why their ship is better than the ship they don't like. unfortunately, the youngins have been soaking up that moral purity language as Objective Truth because they're little sponges. i hope they outgrow that bullshit eventually. i will forgive and forget if they leave behind their purity police badges.)