#but ITS STILL??? MANIPULATIVE AS FUCK .
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good heavens. ros is . good LORD. her talk today w aimsey was so insightful. anhway tr ros ramble below
she wants to be friends with everyone but if youre not her friend, you’ll eventually toe in line with her or face the consequences. the way she was talking about how she was TRYING to be nice but man for some reason the red team wouldnt get over her killing one of their members! and its just HARRY who cares!
its like she genuinely doesnt understand why someone doesnt want to be her friend. this feels like the mindset of like “if i just explain everything perfectly then everyone MUST agree with me! because i have the facts!”
but she doesnt. like. get that people sometimes dont like or respect you and you have to let that go. ros doesnt want to let that GO. ultimately her killing pili or bad is barely even revenge for foolish; its about ros being in control of the way someone sees or feels about her
she doesnt want EVERYONE to fear her. she just wants everyone to be her friend but if theyre not her friend then they’ll be afraid, because either way, ros feels more secure.
#the realm smp#i mean im sure its still in part revenge but#she knows that foolish Chose this and i dont think#i mean this is assumption but i dont think she truly believes they manipulated foolish into it#she just cannot bargin with the fact that she hates pili for not wanting to be her friend and thats It#she cant let it go. everyone needs to be her friend there ISNT any other option#cannot stress enough that she IS underestimated and pili/bad DO fuck with her#but yknow both things can be true
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SAID HE LIKES CRAZY GIRLS,
BUT HE HATES WHEN I ACT CRAZY,
IT TAKES TWO TO TOXIC!
FINALLY!!! Finished these pics of jinx I’ve been working on!!!!! HOLY SHIT, these took so long…. But finally… they’re done… pls enjoy this art of my beautiful princess w a disorder. Featuring alternate colors for the big pic and also a closeup! Cuz I rlly like how both the lines and coloring on her face turned out… like the pink gradients w her eye… her deer in headlights expression,, like uve just startled a raccoon digging thru ur trashcan and r two seconds away from getting mauled.. m proud of it!
#arcane#league of legends#jinx#jinx arcane#arcane jinx#doodles#hate and love how hardcore I relate to jinx…#little sisters w dependency issues.. + a whole lot of other issues#anyway the ‘he’ in the ‘crazy girl’ lyrics is in my mind referring to both vi and silco lol#I’m sORRY! I keep seeing ppl hardcore pitting these 2 bad bitches against each other#and it’s like… silco is objectively. morally worse than vi.. vi is not like. a ruthless crime lord#vi IS 100% trying her best and loves her sister. but she still screwed up w jinx#and silco ALSO truly loves jinx. but also screwed up by fucking. trauma bonding w her ghgh-#like.. silco is too close. he’s like. yes go apeshit jinx I support and love you and understand u no matter what fucked up shit u do.#were the same. and that’s beautiful!!! I love how supportive he is…#but its like.. silcos too close. he just became a new person for jinx to glomp onto and base her self esteem around after vi left#and he doesn’t manipulate that on purpose but. he DOES effect that girls mental state. cuz he needs her too#meanwhile vi is too far away… she thinks she knows who jinx is. but jinx has changed… time marches forward. she’s not that little girl#anymore#and nOW! after the finale jinx has NOBODY TO BE CODEPENDENT W..#her mental state has always been so tied up in how the ppl she puts on pedestals view her#and now there’s no pedestal anymore. she knocked down the statues. she’s alone…#it’s interesting….#anyway I’m not trying to say vi is as bad as silco at ALL. just that she’s an equally important building block in jinx’s mind#that has made her into the fucked up lil person she is today. and I think that’s neat.#lol anyway! I’m hyped for season 2….#aLSO GOD DAMN THIS GIRLS OUTFIT IS COMPLICATED. WHY DO U GOT SO MANY BITS N BOBS JINX??? I mean I get it accessories rock.#but u take so much time to draw ghfhg- require so much brainpower#aLSO ADDENDUM. while silco is objectively morally worse than vi his relationship w jinx is genuinely. like. makes me emotional ghgh-#its not perfect. or healthy. but… it’s. the both of them. being seen. and accepted. and loved and understood.. and I love that shit.
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The last thing I'll say, and I'm saying it because it applies broadly- is that there is very rarely a perfect victim OR evil mastermind and everyone needs to get better at recognizing and responding to that fact. Victims of legitimate crimes or horrible acts can be aggressive, or bitter, or biased or a dozen things that make them 'unappealing' to listen too. They can have willfully exposed themselves to content or been in circles they really shouldn't have. They could have been given warning signs that they missed or outright ignored. They might exaggerate or misremember their claims. That does not mean they are no longer victims. If you completely missed the red flags and were taken advantage of- you were still taken advantage of. If you exposed yourself to harmful content that was upsetting or distressing, you were ultimately still exposed to harmful content. Maybe it is "your fault" for being there, but you were still there and it still happened. Especially in terms of online, its just shockingly very easy to end up in places where you are in danger of harm- and its shockingly easy to not notice that you may have put yourself in that position until its too late. If you want to be supportive of victims, you need to recognize that very often victims did things that were inappropriate themselves, put themselves in harmful situations, didn't back out when they should have, missed "obvious" signs... and are still a victim in the end. Likewise, abuse ranges from the intentional to the neglectful. Sometimes an abuser can even do both at once. People do harmful things completely on accident- even repeatedly. It can be mental illness or stress, it can be a dozen things- but yes sometimes people have patterns of behavior that are harmful and destructive that they either aren't aware of, in denial of, or don't get how bad they are about it. That does not erase the harm those behaviors cause. If you handle a situation poorly, it could just be that you handled it poorly- you didn't think through your actions or their implications. But from the receiving end, it doesn't matter how accidental it was, its going to often read as intentional, or a pattern, or whatever. And ultimately the harm is still done regardless of what it was. There is a world of difference between harm done intentionally and harm done through stupidity, neglect, or plain old mistake- but it not always easy to identify which is which- and harm is still done in the end. Sometimes people are harmed because someone saw an opportunity to do so, and sometimes they're harmed because no one stopped to question if it was even a risk. Both of those still ultimately result in someone getting hurt. The point of this is that if you are ever going to analyze situations critically you can not be looking for just "the good one" and "the bad one". You can't just weigh initial impressions on a scale and hope one side tips further and call it a day. Believing victims doesn't mean you need to throw caution to the wind, but likewise bad actors or misinformation doesn't mean your reaction should be that there couldn't possibly be victims. Be very mindful of how you interact in situations where someone was potentially hurt. Being 'critical' can easily boil over into disregard for harm- both the harm the involved might have done to each other and the harm you yourself do in how you respond to it.
#t.extpost#drama#i guess.#sorry i dont really want to talk to much about drama but#it was rubbing on me to see people act like whichever side they decided was in the right meant nothing bad ever happened to the other#sometimes everyone fucks up and everyone gets hurt in different ways!#even in situations where there IS a victim and clear undeniable abuser there is sometimes going to be victims who just look like the asshol#and theyre still going to have been the one hurt#and actual real abusers will use that to their advantage by going hey look at what an ass they are#othertimes people will be manipulative and awful and its mental illness and not evil. it doesn't erase the harm they cause through their#manipulation or by how they act but it does mean they didnt have a four year plan on how to ruin someones life#and probably shouldnt be treated or assumed as such. even if never forgiven for how they acted#looking only for evil masterminds also gives people an outlet to brush off the real issues with their behaviors#tdlr theres no easy answers to how to deal with these kind of things but we also cant pretend like the only thing we can do#is to pretend like theres never problematic people who are actively dangerous in their communities
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Drunkenly insisted he come over, changed his mind 5min from my apartment, ghosts me for a week. I lightheartedly called him out for not rescheduling getting drinks and catching up that he suggested, so he reschedules. He makes heavy handed moves on me all night until he fucks me. Immediately says it was a mistake and promptly leaves without looking at me until he says goodbye. 2 weeks and nothing has been said. He then texts me, no hey how are you, asking if I'd been tested. Was like pulling teeth getting out of him that he'd been experiencing symptoms and suspects trich. I was tested after we slept together last time and was good, but to ease his anxiety I say I'll get tested again. I send him my results 2 days later. He purposefully miscommunicates and says "I'm all good". I voice that while I appreciate him wanting to let me know, that it caused me anxiety and he could've just waited until he knew for sure. He says he misspoke and hasn't actually gotten his results back and assume all clear since we both were negative previously (huh?!). Almost a full week goes by and he finally gets his negative results and sends me only the trich results. I rightfully ask if he got the full panel or just a test for trich. He sends me all the results, but only bc I asked. I reiterate that he could've just waited for the results to tell me because it stressed me out.
He finally admits that someone he slept shortly before me (unclear when) tested positive and he wanted to be on the safe side. I'm not in the mood for a fight so I just said ok that makes more sense.
Like I'm so fucking tired. He's such a fucking manipulative liar with serious communication and emotional immaturity issues. I literally do not give a fuck that you sleep with other people, just don't fucking lie and manipulate me holy shit. And the audacity to get defensive when I neutrally tell you how this whole thing made me feel instead of being passive and soft about it, is fucking WILD. Like I just know he's painted me as the crazy girl in his head because I call him out on his hypocritical and manipulative bullshit even in a neutral way. Like if you had just been honest from the fucking start I wouldn't have to match your fuckass attitude omfg
#like theres so much to unpack here#its unbelievable#i keep joking with my friends that hes both medically and non-medicallt peer reviewed as needing professional help for being a douchebag#my psychiatrist the other day agreed he needs serious therapy and that he was being very insensitive and unkind and a terrible friend#ao now my therapist my psychiatrist my social worker friend my social worker in training friend (still in school) and many other friends#all agree on this as well#like..... statistically speaking its incredibly unlikely that SO many people are wrong and have been “manipulated” to think this way by me#lololol like bro WHY THE FUCK DO YOU ACT LIKE THAT#GROW UUUUP OMG
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Just finished orion and uuuh
#inazuma 11#inazuma eleven#inazuma eleven orion#LIKE#STOP DOING THAT#HAVE YOU SEEN WHAT HE DID#ATTEMPTED MURDER. MULTIPLE TIMES.#MANIPULATED TENS OF CHILDREN#AND YOU STILL TRY TO REDEEM HIM#In the og its bearable but i was glad he died#his role in galaxy was ok as well#BUT THE FUCKING SCENE IN ORION?#NUH UH#NUUUUH UH#STOP. TRYING. TO MAKE HIM. INTO SOME SORT OF MENTOR FIGURE#kageyama reiji#ray dark
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HI JAY!! i just saw ur post abt giving u ideas as to what costumes to give nori and omg my brain automatically gave me an image
NORITOSHI AS CAT!!!! like with pink paws and white fur like in a onesie 😭😭 omg he would look sooo cuteeeeeeee aldoe he acts like a black cat but he physically he would suit a white cat's costume so much better omg imagine him with a pout complaining abt it like he wanted to be something else but u suggested that idea and he cant say no OWNFKDKDKKDDK
HI ROSE!! you're so fucking fr for this. i finished this so fast i felt like it wasnt enough so i messed around and doodled some more.. maybe i'll continue doing this with some of the costume ideas? who knows.
all i knows is how cute this cat boy is
[Doodles under the cut!]
hes.. he's so fucking cute as a cat... I see you're on the side that sees Noritoshi as cat like. interesting. I 100% approve.
I couldn't choose between black cat or white so I went with both and a mix... I fucking. I can't with your mind. it's so big. the pouting got me fucked up bro. you're so fucking fr.................
noritoshi is a very serious and very hard working heir. its why his toe beans are so tantalizing
#kamo noritoshi#noritoshi kamo#kamo noritoshi x reader#noritoshi kamo x reader#jjk#jujutsu kaisen#btw i love your enthusiasm and little bit there at the end#AND FUCK#YOU MADE MY BRAIN CHURN AND I GKHKHK#pouting noritoshi always fucking kills me and sends me to overdrive so i dedicate this to you rose#ALSO. I IMAGINE. NORITOSHI LIKING ANY KIND OF PHYSICAL AFFECTION IN GENERAL?? ESP IF HE TRUSTS YOU. like a cat. heh.#so even if hes upset/annoyed/embarrassed. hed still want your touch#i see him getting MORE upset and annoyed if you stop so i just. fucking die ig#merry october#<- my halloween tag?#???#illogicallyx#IF ANY OF YOU EVER WONDER WHY I ALWAYS COLOR CODE NORITOSHI WITH REDS AND PINKS. its bc of his blood manipulation.. heh. and why pink? bc#love. and hes cute in pink. fucking sue me damn#null rot
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That scene with Jinx and silco where she's "treating" his eye in his lap feels so weird (in a good way) with s2 knowledge. Because I truly think that silco wasn't just talking to Jinx but himself. Reassurance that no matter how far they've come and how much they've trampled on that it was worth it because nobody is as loyal to each other as they are. Not vi not vander, not anyone. Everyone else abandons them because they are "too much." Whether its in doing anything to be seen as something other than a street rat or or the trauma that comes with growing up like jinx they will always be to much for someone even if they proclaim feelings of love and familiarity. He sees himself in her and thus was attached to the hip.
#🍊.txt#still debating if he was being manipulative here#but the more i look into the more i dont think so#hmmm its a mixture of desperation and fucked up love between them???#silco#arcane silco#silco and jinx#jinx arcane
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I don't feel pain I never escape I'm under the bed I'm licking the floor
#mysmes#mystic messenger#mysme#mysme unknown#mysme saeran#saeran choi#mine#*24#art#unknown#this song is literally called weakling. sooo saeran coded.#half of this was just me trying to get the skin indents from gripping his bicep right. and its still not that good but i tried#whatever i miss this cunt.this fucker was everything to me in 2016-2018 you dont understand. teenage me 🫂 saeran#dont talk to me abt his route i have many conlicting feelings abt it. but i will say his overall portrayal was better in v's route than his#except near the end but even the conclusion to that was like. hm. he just wakes up and is fine. ok.#also why the split personality. bpd saeran was amazing that was even his VA's hc for him in SE. ok i said i wasnt gonna talk abt it IM NOT#... i just think they made him a less interesting ch in his route by splitting him up to a 'good'/'bad' side. like ray WAS manipulative#he's complex! he has a skewed world view + morals and a fucked up sense of self and major black and white thinking#ohh my god im not doing this again im not writing a dissertion in tumblr tags again. its an otome game with a nonsensical timeline
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this moment so fucked up💀
#horror spn moments and its dean torturing sam psychologically in 4 different ways under a min he could've just asked if sam lied#the pacing the lightful to knife lethal seriousness the yelling dean so psychopath 💔#this messes with my head bruh i hated how i couldn't actually predict how he'd lash out on sam#chat I think its time to kill dean#its fucked up that sam spends this arc trying to SAVE dean and the narration and dean treat him like he's melting the earth's crust#and must be crucified#meanwhile when dean decides he might have to KILL sam it's painted as a heroic sacrifice for the greater good#sam doomed if he tries to save but is manipulated and doomed if he tries to also save and well-intentioned#and his punishment for both times Is just death#why are we lowering the guillotine on the guy for trying to save his brother???? he was literally distressed and hiding about it#like he's smuggling a nuclear bomb with full determination to destroy the planet#yea there was grave consequences later but dean's gripe was him going against his wish to be doomed with the mark#you can talk respecting wishes if dean wasn't spending the whole last season flagrantly ignoring sam's wishes half the time#and the other half he spends it DEVASTATED when sam says he'll respect his wishes if he were in his shoes. the whole theme of s9 finale#was dean WANTING to be saved by sam and asking for that morally grey treatment back#If he's gon change his mind one minute and the other then he could have just not practically begged for what sam was doing here#dean's emotional fluctuations arent sam's responsibility#this sounds deancrit but no I'm just speaking from a pov everyone collectively decided to ignore part of its nuance#sam winchester#dean winchester#samdean#spn meta in tags#mine#the editing is supposed to make it haha but the scene is still not hahaing sm..
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oh my god bro im gonna say this one last time: the coffee theory fucking SUCKS it's bullshit and it'd be cheap writing and yall are fucking weak.
#'oH bUT whY diD tHeY empHasIzE thE cOfFe thEn?' BC ITS FUCKING SYMBOLIC ITS THE WEAKEST MANIPULATION TACTIC BUT IT STILL WORKED BC AZ IS#STILL SO TIED UP W HEAVEN THAT METATRON CONNECTING W HIM THRU THE COFFEE AND FOOD AND CROWLEY!!!! WORKS INSTANTLY FOR HIM#come on man have yall never had good written characters before? im sick of yalls bullshit#'maybe in an another universe aziraphale didn't drink the coffee–' shut tf up#good omens#good omens s2#azicrow#crowley#aziraphale#aziracrow#ineffable spouses#go season 2#good omens coffee theory#tagging that only so they can see and cry abt it
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sigh. it's thinking about child abuser/evil fuck off puppet hours I guess
#such a fascinatingly stupid dynamic im obsessed#i dont think bro 'loves' cal but he definitelt cares about him in whatever way hes capable of to the greatest extent he can#to a frankly weird extent tbh#and then cal doesnt even care about bro as a tool. hes just convenient yk#bros obsessed and he literally couldnt give a shit (in whatever way hes capable of giving a shit given that hes. yk. a puppet)#honestly you could vary how much control cal has/how much cals manipulating/puppeting bro and its still interesting#cals almost fully puppeting him? the obsession makes sense its interesting its fascinating its vaguely homoerotic#the puppet loves the puppetmaster that gives it life yk#cal has absolutely zero control and is literally just an empty puppet? fucking hilarious#either way dave accidentally walks in on bro on a 'date' with cal (propped up in a chair with a full plate of food in front of him. dave#didnt even know bro *could* cook) and hes scarred for life#me.txt#homestuck#bro strider
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>Finally watching G Gundam again after my life been in hell despite the fact I’m starting school so I’m still going at a snails pace >Gets to ep 42 and it’s revealed that Domons family was actually innocent the entire time and the Devil Gundam being the way it is is actually Rains fathers fault
>Remembers Imagawa pulled a similar card in Giant Robo with Genya father not actually being evil but he carried out the plan anyways due to misconstruing what happened
…Was Imagawa gonna pulled this fucking card with Arma Saotome if he got to finish that oh my GOD
#meg text#I’m sorry that every fucking time I watch imagawa stuff i immediately associate it back to Armageddon#because I do not actually care that much that he didn’t finish it given I still like the show a lot despite its clear flaws#but like- the more you see his other works and see he does similar shit it makes you fucking WONDER#tbf tho Saotome at the end does turn out to be a bit sympathetic and overall implied to be manipulated by the Invaders#but they never frame him as entirely misunderstood since he still did A LOT wrong#and while the Saotome we saw in imagawas 3 eps wasn’t entirely off the deep end I’d- still have a hard time siding with him if this happene#anyways imagawa you definitely loooove dramas or what?
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*scrolling through tumblr and sees immaculate, mouth-watering art*
"Wow!"
*it's of a toxic couple back when they were together/them being bitter exes in present time*
"Oh, these two aren't healthy in any way, shape, or form"
...
*likes it anyway*
(Read tags)
#im specifically talking about billford#like....bill is more toxic than xenomorph drool#and a crazy motherfucker#and i agree with mabel in that one page of tbob#bill needs to move tf on and leave that poor old geezer alone#dude manipulated ford so much its not even cute or funny#but the art i keep seeing of these 2....jesus christ#yall are too talented#i hate the idea of canon ford and bill getting back together but i love the bill au ideas and seeing memes of bill being clingy#and the art#oml the art#the way some of y'all be drawing ford is giving me gender envy ffs#i dont particularly ship billford for obvious reasons#but bill acting like a petty and clingy ex is so funny to me + the “fell first/fell harder” trope (ford did NAWT fall harder 😭)#im all for one sided billford#and the art is so yummy for these two#so...#oh and btw fiddauthor is a tad strange#like the idea of ford and fidd reconnecting & maybe being lovers in old age after the events of weirdmaggedon is fine#but i highly doubt that fidd would've cheated on his wife or abandoned his kid for ford#sure he fucked up in other ways when it came to his family and the subtext and implications of feelings may be there#but still...he was married#and even if he loved ford more#fidd doesnt come off like the kind of person to do that#and bro is NAWT pulling 💀#he is the equivalent of a sopping wet dog /pos#anyways#theres my 2 cents on the shipping stuff in gravity falls currently#yeah.#gravity falls
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People love ragging on Catholics on this site (fast free and easy like river water socks) but I think it’s extra funny y’all seem to think Catholics are some sort of sex prudes. Like, if a Catholic man does not give his wife an orgasm he is failing his sworn duties as a husband. I did not endure polite insinuations that my parents fucked often and well to have as many kids as they have for you to act like any self respecting Catholic is a celibate virgin. Laypeople have sex in this denomination Kaitleign. What are we, Calvinists? Jansenism is soooo 17th century Protestant Reformation-informed heresy.
#ra speaks#personal#not tagging otherwise bc tbh I can’t remember if it was formally declared a heresy or if aspects of its teachings were papally condemned#and I don’t want any um actually 🤓 people in my notes or inbox.#anyways. point is I’m sorry you’re culturally Christian USAmerican Protestant and just finding out Catholics often have mandatory sex ed#at least my school did + my grandma had an amazing little book about Catholic marriage sex tips akdjwhfjsjssj#if you’re Catholic and under the impression that fucking wasn’t supposed to be important…idk sorry your catechist didn’t ever cover like.#humanae vitae or any other encylcicles on sexuality and reproduction.#idk if it was an effort to inform/combat congregational abuse (eg. we know kids w sex ed are more likely to report/recognize abuse)#but my school was pretty damn blunt about it all. here’s a dick and all it’s anatomy. here’s a vagina and all it’s anatomy.#fucking and touching is supposed to be between a married man and woman (as expected)#but it’s also supposed to be fun and shouldn’t hurt and if it’s not and does hurt you need to communicate w them or reach out to a doctor#like. this was early 2010s im still fucking baffled my parochial school Franciscan nuns gave us a better grasp of sex ed than my high schoo#public school sex ed. the teacher there justified emotional abuse and manipulation if it’s against a guy.#and it’s not like their queer sex ed existed beyond ‘and this can be between two people of any gender’ clauses#anyways. you know me have fun and be safe im just tickled to see ppl think their experiences and expectations are universal.
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Season 8 was like 6 years ago(I feel old) and I know ppl have differing opinions on the Mr Echo thing (but it was intended, made it to storyboard and blocked animation and then dropped, soooo) but. I can see his recruitment p easily tbh. Bc the whole reason Dr J was in that lighthouse was because he was resurrected, forced there, and ordered to build Skulkin vehicles by Samukai. But Samukai in the flashback we see has already been deposed as leader of the Skulkin/Underworld. Which means the orders to do so most likely came from Garmadon.
And since Mr. E is one of the head honchos, he's likely an early arrival to the team, so I don't think Harumi has a whole lot figured out at this point, she's just got her Trauma and some Bad Influence Friends and an obsession with Lord Garmadon. So. Like. Plausible deniability road trip that she's just visiting important markers of Ninjago's recent past, all of which involve Lord Garmadon in some meaningful way; its sightseeing, its cathartic, and it gives her time to develop her dream Motorcycle Gang/Resurrection Cult. She's not looking for anyone at the Lighthouse, but she is looking for vehicle blueprints so she can be the Koolest leader on the block. But oops she looks in the basement and there's an Echo.
And she's flipping out bc??? A Ninja???? In the Lighthouse basement??? I mean it makes sense that it would be this one but???
Except this rusty old robot has no idea what she's talking about with this Ninja stuff, he's just waiting for his dad to come back.
And Harumi pauses.
Because how long has he been waiting? He's not sure, he had no proper way to measure time in the basement, and he doesn't have the best view of his clockwork heartpiece. But it was after his father saw a strange ship docking; Echo was worried it was the People who had locked up his father in the first place, but instead his dad sounded happy when he saw whoever was out there. It could have been a front, though, as clearly it was never safe to let Echo back out. Then Dr J popped down briefly, while everyone above was resting, to tell Echo he was desperately needed elsewhere, that it wasn't safe to bring Echo, but that he'd be back in no time.
And the pieces are fitting together for Harumi. And she's like. Your dad's dead, bro.
And he's like. What? Did he die doing what was needed of him?
And she's like. Oh, no. He died a few years later.
And he's like. Why didn't he come back for me????
And she's like. Probably because they kept him away.
And he's like. Who's they?
And she's like. The Ninja I was talking about earlier.
And it surely can't be hard in universe to find pictures of Zane and Dr J post s2-pre s3, so she pulls one up and shows Echo who is freaking out bc why is that one kind of like him and Harumi explains that that was the droid his father created first, that he became a Ninja, and that hes probably the one who took their father away and kept echo waiting for years.
But Echo has doubts, shocked as he is abt a new older brother, he wants to believe the good in the situation so he's unsure. But Harumi mentions that the Ninja's failures to uphold more than their self preservation/interests has led to uncountable losses and devastation in Ninjago time and time again, before delving into her own story. And she seems so kind, and so hurt, and I do think there's a genuine connection btwn these two that forms from this shared emotional torment that they decide came from the Ninja, and now Echo is more receptive.
And then Harumi gets to start her Garmadon pitch because wait! If Echo was made here, then that could only have happened because of Lord Garmadon. And she reiterates that he's the reason she and her city could have even survived The Great Devourer. And maybe Echo's family-by-creation left, maybe they were untrustworthy and lacking, but that's OK bc if you look at it all a certain way, Garmadon is more of a father to Echo than Dr J was. And Echo is a vulnerable, overwhelmed mess who just found out his dad fucked off for years without him and also died, and also he has a brother??? Who their dad clearly seems to have favored??? Did they even know about Echo??? Did they delight in their life free of him???
Basically. Kinda Spinel-core but getting abandoned and left completely alone does that to you. Especially when the first person to find you after being abandoned is a deeply hurt and misguided teen who is probably kinda desperate for someone, anyone else to see the Ninja the way she sees them.
#i was thinking abt the idea of citrusshipping#and how it could have flowed into Mr Echo. with morro as the vengeful influence tinting these#one sided experiences to associate ninja with loss#but theni was like 'wait a sec tho bc Harumi does that also and its her gang called the sons of garmadon#and if youre very carfeully squinting and cherrypicking out pesky details and nuance. like harumi would be.#echos existence is thanks to Lord Garmadon. and there is no better replacement dad than garmadon. you should be a son of garmadon.#and echo would probably listen and she could get him out the lighthouse and off the island'#and anyway i kinda ship Harumi and Echo now?#i like citrusshipping its funney but i think i actually ship this dynamic now#its. fucked and manipulative but its also like. genuine and just. two scarred young people and harumi gives echo her distorted view#of the world as the gift of her love#so its like she wasnt trying to manipulate echo. not like she was trying to manipulate Lloyd.#but she did take someone in a v fragile state and begin shaping his worldview to match hers. unconciously but still done.#like i can also see her bringing him to the mainland and she and UV and Killow are his tethers which means everything he sees radicalizes#him further...and draws him in closer to the fold#anyway if he and harumi smoochie kiss then shes why he got rebuilt in Crystallized. also i think mr F stands for 'Mr Fun Guy'#echo zane#harumi jade#ninjago harumi#quietmystery?#idk what the ship name would be but im here for it#mr e ninjago#mr echo#echo/harumi#tbh i said i kinda ship it now but it could also be friendship#sons of garmadon#...ok til abt the morro-echo-harumi trio hcs and Yes#this is just more of a like. canon compliant ish take where morro is still gone from the narrative#love the idea of the 3 in a vengeance trio tho
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always sort of a shock to the system when i remember ppl know sonic 06’s plot more for the fandub than for itself. which is understandable given the og is a mess, but idk its kinda sad bc theres some good stuff there (shadow’s entire story arc)
#dont dislike the dub at all ftr djdjdjdjjf im still very fond of it#but like…. idk i like 06’s story as stupid and messy as it is#i heart convoluted plots that are all over the place. sorry#echoed voice#i think the ‘’if the world chooses to become my enemy’’ trans shadow art shot that storyline up even higher tbh#especially bc elevated by shadows arc. hes literally been demonized and persecuted for what he is since he was born#his title game can be read as his agency being stripped from him from both the narrative AND the player#because black doom wants him to be his punching bag and sonic wants him to be his support#but shadow is in a vulnerable spot bc of his memory loss and lack of agency. some pathways are even abt him thinking hes a clone#with the legacy of a dead man hanging over him#keeping him from ever being his own person#and even tho thats not the case. its still a story about a teenager being emotionally manipulated and abused for who he is#and he finally reclaims that at the end of the game by defying EVERYONE and doing it his own way#even though i hate how hes working with gun in 06 and beyond. other than that 06 follows up on that theme so well#bc mephiles sees shadow as a self assured person and shatters his newfound ego with his demise in the future#where he was scapegoated for the worlds problems and humanity jumped to imprison and/or kill him despite the good hes done#and mephiles’s goal is to break shadow psychologically. to keep him at bay by telling him that no matter what he does#the world will try to kill him anyways and theres no point in fighting for himself. much less the world#and it gets to shadow for a bit but by the end. he realizes that even if what mephiles says is true. he’ll keep going#‘’even if the world chooses to become my enemy. i will fight like i always have.’’ taking off his inhibitor rings to unleash his full power#like….. fuck. thats powerful#iirc it’s ambiguous whether mephiles is lying but tbh. i dont think he is given how shadow was treated after gun raided the ark#like. yeah i do think the military and public would scapegoat shadow. hes ALREADY been scapegoated several times#anyways. all that to say that yes. reading shadow as a trans allegory is extremely powerful to me
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