#buck just said that’s biphobic TO ME

[ayo-edebiri]

#This show is definitely a comedy, fr 😭

[daisysmalia]

Why are people so insistent on claiming Tim was lying when he says the ‘no Buck was actually into Tommy?’

Like he says it here;

And someone on twitter tried to tell me this was him still saying Buck was confused? Like I’m sorry but if you watch the ep objectively it’s all about Tommy. Buck wants to hang out with him, he felt he clicked with him, he wants to see him. I understand you can have your own interpretation but please don’t try say that the creator has a different one than what he intended. Eddie was the misdirect, the twist was ‘oh I guess it was you.’ And Buck and the audience had that realisation at the same time.

[nicxxx5]

i have a couple thoughts that maybe buck actually hasn't fully processed his bisexuality? and like that's why we haven't explicitly heard him call himself bi?

we remember the conversation he had with maddie about how he's "always loved women" and doesn't know how long he's been "leaning in the other direction". and he literally didn't know he was attracted to men until tommy, the first and only guy he's dated.

maybe he doesn't actually know yet what to consider himself. maybe he was just going with the vibes of "okay, i liked all these women and i like tommy" and just going along with his current (at the time) relationship.

i just feel like maybe buck hasn't fully processed what it means to him to be attracted to both women and men now. he's just seemed really unsure of himself in that regards in the last two episodes. for example, when he felt conflicted of noticing that those women at dinner were attractive, and when he says he doesn't know which pond to jump back in.

i'm just thinking that maybe he knows he's attracted to men but doesn't know what that means for him in the grand scheme of dating and his identity.

[saras-almanac]

So I’ve been sitting on my feelings about the BuckTommy breakup and handling of it for a while, trying to get my thoughts in order. And after a while of thinking on it—and the recent Lou interview dropping making me feel like my feelings are valid—kind of made me want to just blurt them all out and hope for the best. So this is that.

Ultimately the entire handling of the BuckTommy breakup feels cruel. And not just cruel in an intentional way, but cruel in a casually, not even given any thought cruelty, which is worse sometimes. And to be honest, I think that’s part of why I’ve been struggling with it so much. (That and the echoes of Magicians season 4, which if you know you know).

What I mean by cruelty is just the lack of any real effort or care put into this storyline, one that they had previously been handled with so much care and concern and were praised (rightly so) for at the time. It’s the way they introduce this Tommy as Abby’s ex thing, which makes hardly any sense at all, but also feels cruel in the intention of laughing at the invisible string of fate theory between them. It’s they way that they’re 6 months anniversary and not only have they not talked about this, but Buck (Evan Buckley) didn’t get him a gift that feels cruel because that feels so wildly out of character for him. It’s the way they had the break up play into some bisexual stereotypes at best and inherently biphobic at worst by having Maddie suggest Abby turned him gay or that Buck needs to “explore” things to figure out what he wants or that Buck “Doesn’t know what pond to jump back into” of it all. (Not to mention the comments from OS about wanting Buck to fuck—which I’m not getting into because I didn’t read it and as a bisexual woman, don’t feel the need to go and try to find something that might upset me more.)

All those reasons are why the breakup itself is cruel to the characters, but it’s also cruel to those of us watching, and especially to anyone and everyone who loved and/or related to the character of Tommy, who we see walk away much much worse off than when we found him. It’s the way the story (intentionally or not) is framing it like a romcom break up – make up – pining storyline which they apparently are not doing according to interviews. It’s the way they didn’t give any sort of closure to Tommy for the character or for the audience.

There’s a reason that people lose themselves in stories—it’s because they follow certain rules and contracts. It’s expected that stories do not match up to real life because while things don’t have bigger meanings in life or they don’t work out according to plan, in stories, everything happens for a reason. Because that’s the whole point of what you’re consuming. And along with that, emotional moments are meant to feel cathartic in a way, at least eventually, because you were able to see the bigger picture, to feel the finality to things, and to really understand what’s being said and what’s happening. This breakup does none of that and actually seems to have been included and rushed for shock value and that to me, is just shitty, lazy writing.

If you were going to break them up and have no desire for any sort of reunion or closure, why not make it intentional? Tommy could be the one who wants marriage and kids and settling down and Buck internally freaks out because theoretically he wants that but maybe it’s too soon and as much as Tommy loves Buck, he’s not going to wait around and hope that Buck feels the same for him because he’s been hurt too many times like that. Or Tommy could be leaving for another state because he’s no longer going to be a firefighter or needs to go for family reasons or gets a job at a different station that he applied for ages ago and he has everything all set up and isn’t going to ask Buck to leave his entire life for Tommy, so they decide to breakup even if it hurts both of them. In either of those cases, it’s sad and devastating, but at least there would be some closure to it and understanding of it for both the characters and the audience and some peace knowing that at least these two are going to be moving toward happiness in whatever way that means for them.

Instead, what we have, is a hail-mary last-second breakup that comes out of nowhere and feels abrupt and crappy in the way we leave Tommy specifically because we might never see him again. And that is the crux of the issue. Because the way this was written, the understanding is that they are going to get back together or reunion or at least have that final closure conversation—because that’s what happens in stories. We see this type of surprise breakups, breakups where they issue is they love each other too much and are afraid to go further (Athena/Bobby and Maddie/Chimney to name two examples we saw in universe) only to eventually fight to be together and realize that if they don’t take a chance they might never know how amazing it is. So the fact that it’s set up to follow this same path while nearly every interview is telling the opposite, again demonstrates that casual cruelty as well as an inherent failure on the writing. If you have to go in interview and explain what it is you wrote or are telling, then you have failed as a writer. It’s really as simple as that.

This breakup doesn’t feel set up or foreshadowed, it just feels like they added it on because they didn’t want to do anything more with it? And that feels incredibly crappy as a decision to so many people who related to Buck and Tommy and them coming out later in life and all those other things. I’m rambling and on my phone and feeling a lot of things that I can’t fully express right now, but the long and short of it: If this was always intended to be the final time we see Tommy, this breakup is even crueler than intended.

[pigeonxp]

ok now that bt is FINALLY bones, all i really have to say is fuck yall for real. there are some of yall that arent that bad, but the overwhelming majority of you guys are actually fucking awful. i have had twitter mutuals be harassed by yall, i have had friends harassed, ive seen people i dont even follow being called horrific things and insulting their appearances, and so so much more. one thing that really sticks out is the blatant misogyny that some of you guys present. the amount of men that have gone online and confidently called women bitches and sluts and whores and cunts and hoes is genuinely fucking deranged, and i hope you all know that. there have been bt stans in my replies and my inbox and in my business, telling me that IM in the wrong for stating my opinions on the weird ass shit theyve been doing, telling me that they "dont feel welcome" in this fandom, and that they feel like this fandom is toxic and etc etc etc etc I DONT CARE BRO. i have said it once and ill say it again and again. some of you guys are just not meant to be in fandom spaces. there are block buttons for a reason. you can block people and tags and literally everything under the sun but you continue to SEEK OUT shit that makes you mad or that you dont agree with just so you can hate on the OPs in their replies. you dont seem to understand that people can have opinions on what characters they like and what ships they enjoy, and that other people have the right to criticize them. i am NOT sorry and i will NOT apologize for how i may have reacted. i do NOT feel bad for you. we all told you that this wasnt going to last, the showeunner said it wasnt going to last. the ACTOR said it wasnt going to last. and instead of using critical thinking skills and media literacy training, you got tattoos for this ship, you spent hundreds of dollars on cameos from a nepo baby, and you spent days of your lives hating on and harassing people over a FICTIONAL TV SHOW. instead of being upset at LFJR for leading yall on, you attacked oliver stark for being "biphobic"??@?!?!??!!??!÷*×(!&×,@ for having an opinion on his own character, especially after he spent time becoming genuinely one of the biggest bisexual allies i have ever seen. after he told reporters that he was planning on playing buck as bi anyway, after he made post after post saying how excited he was for bucks storyline, and after he advocated for this character he loves so dearly. you jumped down his throat for no reason. i have absolutely no sympathy for you. i really do hope you follow lfjr back to SWAT and i truly hope he gets every single line and every single scene just to keep him off of my fucking screen. 🫶

[mintedwitcher]

my only theory is Buck spooked him with the "move in with me" thing. because THAT was the tonal shift in that scene. and ykw yeah I get it, its only been 6 months and Buck's breaking out the uhaul but like.

anything else. anything else would have been acceptable. if Tommy had said "its too soon" or "you might be ready but I'm not" then that would've been good.

but to coat the whole thing in biphobia and echo the shitty biphobic sentiments that the loudest and nastiest members of fandom have been screaming for months? that, to me, is unacceptable. that is shameful.

my only fucking hope right now is that Buck goes after him anyway. because how do you get us that fucking close to an ily moment and then rip the ENTIRE thing out from under us like that.

(one more thing. if lfjr is leaving the show, then I wish him nothing but happiness and success in his career, I really do, I just wish that he could've stayed.)

a real power move would be to have Tommy leave LA and have Buck decide to leave with him, and for Oliver to leave the show in protest of the way he's been treated by his supposed "fans" for the last several months working on this storyline that actually excited him. can't have b-ddie if Buck's gone off to Vegas to shack up with his hot pilot husband can you?

[epiphainie]

people will probably disagree with this and it probably doesn't even matter now but to me tommy agreeing to go to madney's wedding after two weeks of knowing each other and tommy with his heartbroken breaking up with buck are not incongruous character beats. i'm setting aside the biphobic reality of that type of assumption for this post, just talking about tommy's characterization. because to me tommy agreeing to go along with buck at the beginning even when he thinks the other shoe will drop at any minute just shows how much he was taken with buck? believing he was probably gonna be heartbroken at the end of this but liking this dude so much and getting caught in his pull and simply not being able to say no.

and then flashforward six months and he's so much deeper in this than he'd initially thought, he's the guy buck allows to take care of him when sick, he's the guy buck looks at with heart eyes, he's the guy who has heart eyes of his own, but then buck brings up moving in together as a double down on his spiraling and that's a reality check for tommy. not literally because the reality is that buck has done this many times before, enough to know he wants this with tommy (even though the moving in is jumping too ahead imo) but tommy doesn't. it's a check for the reality that tommy has convinced himself for all these years, that these things end, and if he goes along with this one thing, takes this huge step, when it ends he won't be able to come back from the pain of it. i don't think he's leading buck on, i don't think at any stage he actively thinks this will fail till buck brings up a possible scenario where it failing means immeasurable amount of hurt.

and i think that's a good story. that'd be a good story, especially after josh's words about queer people from a generation before buck's making questionable choices out of fear and a need to protect themselves. like i said, doesn't matter now i guess, but i'll take tommy with this episode and i'll continue loving him.

[kinardsevan]

Why does everyone have Buck grovelling for Tommy back in their fix it fics when Tommy was the one spouting biphobic talking points and walking out?

Clearly you didn’t read my breakdown of Tommy’s reaction. Also there was no actual shouting so

The reason people (me) have him “groveling” is because his whole speech literally steamrolls Tommy. Theres no point at which he admits his feelings (to his BOYFRIEND), he just leaps with both feet. And yes, we as the viewers know Buck is like this. To some degree, Tommy does too. But if you pay attention to Tommy’s reactions throughout the entire scene, he’s not reacting in a way that’s intentionally biphobic. He’s not making Evan’s bisexuality the entire issue of their relationship. If that was truly the case, we would’ve seen an issue with his reaction at dinner. What we get in the breakup scene is a trauma response and immediate shutdown after Buck effectively throws at him the attitude of “let’s just be together because you’re so good at being gay”. There’s no point at which he questions whether Tommy was prepared for him to say all of those things, or if Tommy was in a place to want to move in together (let alone discuss marriage or getting engaged).

I think the natural reaction is to take Bucks side because he’s the main character and he’s the one being broken up with, but personally, from a trauma-informed point of view, Tommy’s reaction makes SO much sense. He’s been hurt, he’s been burned, he’s been alone his whole life. Then he finds this boy who swept him off his feet. Based in Lou’s acting, Tommy has been in it from that first kiss. He fell hard and fast. But I think you can be in something for love and also be terrified when the prospect of finally getting what you want with the person you want not feeling attainable. I think there’s something to be said about Buck having lived with Taylor and how that whole relationship panned out, how I Love You and moving in together was used as a form to keep her from leaving, and he ultimately figured out he was trying to force pieces together.

By relation, if he tells Tommy he loves him, it’s not coming from a malicious place because we’ve had the groundwork laid that tells us Buck DOES feel this way even though he hasn’t pieced it together yet. Going after Tommy isn’t from a place of “stay because everyone else leaves”. It’s “stay because I love you and I want things with you I’ve never wanted with anyone else”. At least from my POV.

[thoughtslonglost]

I am too emotional to find the receipts I need rn, so I may come back to this but hear me out important discourse i remember from recent weeks and post-episode: 1. I remember discourse about someone from the show saying Bucktommy was a romcom 2. Oliver wants Buck off the dating hamster wheel 3. Oliver likes a slow burn 4. Oliver wants Buck to have to work for a relationship 5. Oliver said there might be some 'Should I call him', and 'Should I move on' occurring 6. LetBuckFuck THEORY Rom-coms have a few formulas but one common formula is Act 1: Meet cute, getting together Act 2: Honeymoon period followed by a big breakup Act 3: Pining, wallowing, a major event that causes a reunion, happily ever after Following this structure would mean: 1. Buck gets off the hamster wheel and finds his forever person 2. getting to happily ever after is a slow burn 3. Buck had to work for his relationship Additionally: 1. Debating on calling LI or moving on is a common rom-com trope 2. Sex montage following the breakup is also a common trope, especially in movies where the male love interest is a reformed playboy as he goes back to his old ways after having his heart broken. her, point two makes sense for Buck's development, Buck 1.0 used Sex for casual intimacy before discovering true intimacy with Abby. He has seen sought meaningful relationships, he just said Tommy is the most meaningful and life-changing relationship since Abby and literally got dumped right after bearing his heart and soul, reverting back to 1.0 for a period makes sense I could be delulu here, but I need there to be a logical reason behind this breakup otherwise it feels like bad writing at best and 'bury your gays' at worst, and I need to believe Oliver is not as biphobic as he sounded in that interview

[azaharinflames]

Also while I am at it.

I have to confess something.

From the moment Oliver said his last scene in 6 was with Eddie and how they didn’t need to say words, but just be there for each other… I knew a break up was a big possibility.

I let myself be convinced of the contrary by all the nice theories, and by backing it up with canon. Some of his answers in interviews were also giving me hope - how he said ‘if they were ever on a break’, which seemed really positive, how he teased the relationship deepening.

(Yeah wtf was that about btw? Because he’d filmed 6 at the time. Why would you ever say that, it’s cruel imo)

But I also saw everything else. How Oliver teased there was a lot of change for Buck. How there was suddenly a lot of possibilities - to be honest, that lowkey was a death sentence to me. Because I saw the biphobic undertone, but I didn’t want to bring myself to believe. It is clear what he meant now, but I find it in poor taste. And of course, his last scene being with Eddie and both supporting each other in their issues.

If it had been mid ep, no problem. But from the moment he said it was at the end, I knew things weren’t looking good. I had hope it was just Buck supporting Eddie, but the inclusion of Buck’s own problems made me think it was mutual. And that it didn’t look good.

Eddie’s SL will probably receive good feedback. So will Madneys. But I will be extremely surprised if they don’t face backlash for this shit and for the way they’ve treated the fans and even Lou these past weeks.

As for me, I will not be watching live anymore, because it’s not worth it. I don’t even know if I will watch until the whole season is over, save from clips here and there. I won’t abandon this space because I love the community we built and how safe it feels, and I will follow Lou in his career. But I’m partly done with 911.

[ranchic]

okay back with bucktommy mpreg agenda

Gime me so much miscommunication oh god

Like, buck find out he pregnant and he a mess - tommy doesn't want relationship, this baby gonna mess up his work his life he has to find new apartment - but also he really really really want this baby. So Buck calls tommy, wanting to say everything, but, you know, hes a mess. He panicking his adhd brain filled with hormones - its disaster. He loses his thoughts, he babbling about how tommy need to come back but also buck don't want to pressure him to be part of his life but also its big and he don't know what to do but also he know what to do, how dare tommy said that buck don't know what he wants, its such a biphobic bullshit

So. Buck thought that he said that he pregnant. Bur actually he never said that in this words. He doesn't even said word Baby. So Tommy think its regular after-break up-call. And he idiot and think its for the best, so he just cut buck out and said to him to give up, its final, bla bla bla (he cried just after the call).

So. Buck think that Tommy knows about baby but doesn't want to be in their life. All 118 furious, so they don't speak with Tommy. Like, why doesn't he help just with everyday stuff? Drive buck to doctors bc buck has terrible headaches for his whole pregnancy and can't drive? Cant work, actually? Digs up all of his savings and even have to ask his parents for financial help?

So, its complicates pregnancy. and birth. And baby have some illness (that i totally just googled but i have no idea what its name in English) and need blood transfusion. And they need Tommy blood (my medical fantasy can't be worse then 911 medical fantasy)

So. They call Tommy. "Okay even you can't be that much of the asshole, baby need your blood he's can die" and Tommy like : "of course but what baby? Im on my way but what baby? Did maddie have premature birth?". And Eddie like: "are you fucking stupid, your baby"

And tommy actually cant breath cant move he has static instead of brain and instead of heart (he has hole instead of heart for the last 10 month, he left his heart in fucking lucky parking spot)

"what do you mean my baby, eddie, please, what do you mean"

[straightontllmorning]

can i say (as a bi woman) that it genuinely bothers me that like... so many ppl are like 'its not biphobic for a bisexual to have casual sex' when i don't think anyone has ever said THAT is the issue? i don't care what bisexuals do in real life. if they wanna have safe and consensual casual sex, go right ahead, idc! it's not for me but as long as i'm also being respected in my decision, idc what other people do. it just baffles me because buck in season one was talking about how he was a sex addict and how he didn't want to ruin things with abby by rushing into sex too fast because he genuinely liked her and that was like... kind of a huge part of his character? is that he DIDN'T really like the casual sex so much but actually wanted a real relationship? so why is oliver begging to have buck sleep around again when his character like... wanted more than just sex??? i don't mind character regression but it just feels like bad writing to retread that plot again.

also idc what other people say about thinking OS wasn't biphobic in his remarks. the guy dropped the ball hardcore. he could have easily said "i think buck can continue to casually explore his sexuality with other men and women now, he's still bisexual even if he's single" and it wouldn't have felt so... idk. fetishize-y to me. i'm just tired of bisexuality in fiction always being linked to promiscuity. real bisexuals can do whatever they want. but bisexuals in fiction are held to a different standard for a reason. what else should i expect from a ryan murphy show tho considering brittany on glee never called herself bisexual (bi-lingual, bi-corn) and she was portrayed the 'stupid slutty cheerleader' stereotype. i was just hoping for something different ig :(

it just makes me mad because... they didn't have to break up buck and tommy Like That. tommy could have easily had to move away and he and buck could have broken things off mutually as a result. idk sorry for ranting a bit in ur asks im just so miffed over this and over people speaking over bisexuals expressing their thoughts and concerns toward the biphobia that's going on rn :(

Sorry it took me so long to answer you, but please rant away! Honestly I agree with everything you've said. And unfortunately this really does prove that yeah, this is a Ryan Murphy show and it's par for the fucking course. I was gleek and that always bothered me too that Britney would never say it (and most of her characterization in general was just awful)

I wish Oliver had said something different, I wish he hadn't worded it that way. And again, people can have their opinions but it just feels so gross given how the show decided to do this.

They could've had bucktommy break up in any other way for any other reason. They brought up the Abby plot, they could've used that as the hurdle. They could have had them talk about wanting different things in a relationship. Literally anything that wasn't Tommy basically telling Buck it's over because he's not enough of a stereotype. Because bisexuals don't know what they want. Clearly.

It's very infuriating and I'm so sorry that yet another piece of media treated bisexual people like fucking shit.

And it's really fucking infuriating that people who aren't bisexual are defending Oliver over his comment. Again, have your different opinions but don't speak over people that are bi and already have to deal with biphobia in our shitty society

This show went about it all in an awful way, and I'm really sad that we were all tricked into believing they'd handle it better

[shaunashipman]

I got told I was being "toxic and childish" for pointing out that saying "buck's queer arc had no value if we don't also get queer eddie" was biphobic. I didn't call them names or anything, just said that the phrasing made me uncomfortable because regardless of buck's partner, the realisation was important to a lot of people who are able to see their experiences represented for the first time. It's sad how much the biphobia in fandom has reared it's head, people love the performative "oh I head canon all my favs as bi" but as soon as there's an actual storyline they want to put everyone down. Being bisexual and taking part in this fandom sucks. (Obviously I stopped engaging with that person when I saw that the conversation wasn't going anywhere but it still sucks to see.)

the biphobia really has been out of control the last 6 weeks. years of people chanting "bi buck bi buck" but as soon as they didn't get it how they wanted they showed their whole entire ass. truly disgusting, and I hope we never let them forget it

[nqueso-emergency]

I want to have faith. I really, really do.

But Oliver wanted this breakup:

And add to that the fact that 8x05 was written the way it was specifically to make the breakup hurt more, in addition to the smugness that Oliver is radiating online and in interviews, compared to Lou's tone of sadness and almost disbelief...

I think they're trying to keep it ambiguous because they know already that they messed up. They want that door slightly open just in case this is too big of a fuckup to smooth over (and with the way the GA is reacting, I think they've finally hit that point) so they can try and reel Lou back in. But if we're looking at brass tacks here: Oliver is done with the bucktommy storyline. Nothing he's said so far has convinced me that he wants it to continue. He's been dismissive and blase and smug about the breakup, cheering for Buck to "find out what he likes" by sleeping around (as if that's not a class A biphobic stereotype right there), and barely giving bucktommy, Tommy, or Lou ANY kind of peace with his PR.

I don't trust him with Buck's story anymore. I don't trust Tim with Buck's story anymore. I wouldn't be able to trust a Tommy return or a bucktommy reunion because Tim and Oliver have shown their hands, and they've shown that it's too easy for them to just toss out a good storyline on a whim, especially for Buck.

It's just really really hard to have any kind of faith in a "getting back together" arc when this is the behaviour we're seeing right off the bat.

That's fair.

I have a different take on that interview. Not to defend it, not at all, but I think there's things Oliver says to different people for very different reasons. That's the only interview that he openly says this biphobic shit and it makes me think about why.

I spoke to someone recently about this as well and we came to the conclusion that if Oliver really is sending that to Tim and practically begging to let Buck fuck, he's clearly not seeing that in his scripts.

I don't think Oliver likes playing Buck sad. But, he'll just have to get over it.

[fromkenari]

Sorry, y'all, but Lou saying this was meant to end (it just ended earlier than he anticipated) makes me agree with Oliver, Let Buck Fuck. I can't handle him getting his heart shattered again. He needs to break the cycle. Let him be messy. He is not a saint. And I'm tired of shows relying on bisexuals to be the moral compass. It's not biphobic to say you want your character to explore their sexuality with other people and not have a predetermined end game. Bisexuals have been bound to end games across so many shows, and that's fine. Yes, you can realize you're meant to be with one person. But not everyone, no matter their sexuality, necessarily has that happen in their first relationship, let alone their first queer one. Bisexuals with end games introduced early on have happened multiple times, and way too often, it has been said, "They can fuck around, but they have to come to their senses that this past love is THE ONE," and holy cow, that is totally not the norm in real life. So, Let Buck Fuck. Please.

[mochiminniee]

After crying myself to bed last night and trying to organize my thoughts and feelings today, I think that what hurts me the most about all of this is how carelessly something that I love was treated.

The break up wouldn’t have affected me AS much if it was handled with the love and care I think it deserves. And not crumbled up like a useless sheet of paper. It feels like every writer in that room went “ugh, whatever.” Which doesn’t feel very fucking nice.

I also feel for Lou who did treat it like the special thing it was for a lot of us. I honestly hope that IF he ever does get a call back, he just says no. They don’t deserve him after blindsiding him like this.

I also saw some posts being upset that now Buck was probably going to end up with a woman, which is perfectly fine? Buck is BISEXUAL. Let’s not start being biphobic because we’re hurting. That helps no one.

And don’t even get me started on the people who interviewed him.

Anyways, I love all of you. I hope we can still continue to enjoy Bucktommy despite what we’re being put through.

Now that I’ve said my peace, I’m off to lurk and read fanfiction again ✌🏽💜