If I see one more person comparing that ACME shitty homemade "sub" to the RMS Titanic I will genuinely murder somebody. Especially if you're taking the movie as truth (lovely movie, but it is innacurate). Know why?
Because that millionaire wacko didn't give a shit, but the poor workers that built the three Olympic class sisters? Those men did their damn best and actually gave a shit even thought of sailing there themselves, and comparing that shit ass sub with discount materials to 3 massive, premium ships that took YEARS of planning and work is disrespectful as fuck.
Even the fucking White Star Line didn't put the passengers on danger with full intention (and knowingly charged them for it btw) because they genuinely didn't think what happened was going to happen. And I can't blame them, honestly:
Titanic's design wasn't perfect, but it was good for her time (highlighting time because 1900s class divisions and American immigration segregation laws were shit but it's not like the engineers are to blame for those) and she was made by very skilled poor workers who would show the work on Sundays to their families and were very proud of her.
She also exceeded safety regulations of her time (not the design's fault that said regulations were absolute shite), her 3rd class accommodations were the best, actually (not her fault class system and USA immigration law was shitty in the 1900s) and her and her reinforcer little twin sister HM Hospital Ship Britannic sank because of genuine bad luck (she struck a German mine meant for military ships. Her watertight doors twisted but held however the medical staff left the portholes open to air the rooms and that's what did her in).
Meanwhile, her older twin sister RMS Olympic got rammed by a military ship HMS Hawke and survived BEFORE Titanic's sinking (after which she was reinforced along with Britannic) when the design was new and at its weakest, and after she got reinforced she fucking rammed an U-boat and. kept going. She survived the war, all that shit and then instead of turning into a beautiful museum ship she was sent to the scrap yard after the Great Depression ended the White Star Line, her company.
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Hi! I saw your post about your top ocean liners! If you're still answering questions, what do you know about the Adriatic? Feel free to include another ship as I'm trying to learn more about ocean liners!
So, the Adriatic occupies a strange position in the Ocean Liner community. If you were to ask someone which of the Olympic class was their favorite, you'd get various answers, including the Britannic. However, very few people would say they picked Britannic because "she's the best version of the Olympic class". Most people would discuss her building, or her World War 1 service. Meanwhile, most people who I have spoken to about the Big 4 prefer the Adriatic because "she's the best version of the big 4". And, I mean, they're right, but its strange. She's the largest, the fastest, and the most luxurious. She was the first ocean liner to feature a swimming pool and Turkish bath, and all of her accommodations were generally a significant upgrade from her predecessors. But it's strange to me how THAT is the reason everyone prefers her. I mean, it's why I prefer her. She's the ultimate ship of the Big 4. But like I said earlier, very few people who prefer Britannic over Olympic and Titanic hold that opinion because she was (planned to be) more luxurious.
Anyway, here are some cool facts for you.
1. The Big 4 was almost the Big 5.
After Titanic sank, White Star apparently put in an order with Harland and Wolff for "A new Adriatic class ship". This is VERY strange considering the Big 4 had since been superceded by the Olympic class. As far as I know, no company EVER ordered a new ship from a previous generation like this, other than this instance. The ship was to be named RMS Germanic, after the SS Germanic of 1874, from the Britannic class. She presumably would have followed and improved upon Adriatics design, just as the Adriatic improved on the design of her predecessors. RMS Germanic had her keel laid down right around when World War 1 started, but the war delayed her construction, and she was eventually canceled.
2. The name
Like the Germanic, The RMS Adriatic was named after another White Star ship, the SS Adriatic of 1871. The SS Adriatic was the 5th ship in the Oceanic class, White Star's first class of ships. Like the RMS Adriatic, the SS Adriatic was an enhanced version of her predecessors. However, the SS Adriatic was later improved upon by the SS Celtic. The RMS Celtic of the Big 4 was named after this ship.
3. The Specs
The third ship of the Big 4, the RMS Baltic (named after the SS Baltic from 1871, also from the Oceanic class) was significantly larger than the previous two ships. However, Harland and Wolff left her engines unmodified. This meant that she was slightly slower than her predecessors. The Adriatic was even larger than the Baltic, but Harland and Wolff made her engines significantly more powerful. This meant that the largest of the Big 4 was also the most powerful, and the fastest. Her fastest crossing time was 7 days and 6 minutes. Also, her top speed was around 17 knots.
4. Coal consumption.
The Lusitania and Mauretania were the fastest ships in the world. From 1907 to 1929, their speed was unrivaled. The Mauretania specifically held the record for 19 uninterrupted years, and even beat her own record once. This, however, came at a cost. The Lusitania and Mauretania consumed 1,000 tons of coal PER DAY. The Olympic, only a few knots slower, only consumed 650 tons per day, despite being nearly 10,000 GRT larger than both of them. I actually discussed this in more detail in a previous post. Anyway, the Adriatic, by comparison, only consumed 260 tons per day. Now, she was nearly 10 knots slower than the Mauretania, but you can see how much more economical it made her by comparison. Because this was before late stage capitalism, these savings were passed on to the consumers. Tickets for the Adriatic (and by extension, the rest of the Big 4) were SIGNIFICANTLY CHEAPER than other competing ships, even the Olympic, and the RMS Oceanic, the predecessor to the Big 4. Also, after the first World War, most Ocean Liners like Olympic and Mauretania were converted to burn Oil instead of coal. This had several advantages.
1) Oil made the refueling process several magnitudes easier and shorter.
2) Burning Oil instead of Coal made the ship marginally faster (the Olympic was 1/10th of a knot faster after the conversion).
3) Burning Oil made the ship produce much less smoke, increasing the air quality in EVERY PORT THESE SHIPS WENT TO.
4) Because fluid takes the shape of its container, you were able to store MUCH more of it, greatly extending the ships range.
However, an unintended consequence of this was the Stokers. Generally, a ship like the Olympic had 350 men stoking the boilers with coal. After being converted to Oil, this number dropped to 50 or 60. Also, because Coal and Oil boilers were so different, coal stokers would need to be completely reeducated to work on these new ships (contrary to popular belief, stokers were considered skilled labor at the time, and required very specific and specialized knowledge and training. It wasn't just a matter of finding a strong guy and handing him a shovel.) As a show of good faith to their employees, White Star didn't convert any of the ships of the Big 4 to burn oil, to help ensure that the coal stokers could maintain employment. This was especially appreciated once the Great Depression hit in 1929.
🌟~B-B-B-BONUS FACT~🌈
The RMS Adriatic was launched on the same day as Cunard's RMS Mauretania. Because of this, as well as the fact that the RMS Lusitania was launched earlier, the Adriatic was the only member of the Big 4 to not hold the title of "largest ship in the world".
⚓️🛟🚢 - BONUS B O N U S FACT - 🚢🛟⚓️
The longest trip the RMS Adriatic did was her voyage to be scrapped in Osaka Japan.
Now that I've infodumped all over your dash, here's a disclaimer:
90% of this was from memory. I occasionally checked some sources for specific numbers like speed and coal consumption, but otherwise this was all stuff I just knew off hand. Before you use ANY of this information ANYWHERE, I'd reccomend fact checking it to make sure I didn't get anything wrong.
If you have any other questions, feel free to reach out and ask! This is my favorite thing in the world.
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So, uhm, I know this is supposed to be a funny post and nothing more than that, but these little misunderstandings about the Titanic really bother me.
First of all, it was never actually said that the Olympic line (RMS Olympic, RMS Titanic and HMHS Britannic) was unsinkable per se, it was said that as far as engineering went they were unsinkable ("And as far as it is possible to do so, these two wonderful vessels are designed to be unsinkable").
It might not be a big difference, but it means that what they claimed was that to the best of the experts knowledge, there was nothing that could be done to make them safer than they already were, and Harland and Wolff were one of the best companies out there, and they had already gone beyond some of the safety requirements. For example, if the Titanic had crashed straight into the iceberg with her full speed, she would probably have survived the crash with no need for rescue and she probably would've been able to continue her voyage rather safely, attesting to her security.
And two, Titanic wasn't special for saying this. A lot of ships used marketing like that, so it has only become a laughing matter bc of how big Titanic's tragedy was. Carpathia's (the ship that rescued the Titanic's survivors) captain even mentions this in the official enquiry:
"380. The fact that, under these regulations, you are obliged to carry 20 lifeboats and the Titanic was only obliged to carry 20, with her additional tonnage, indicates either that these regulations were prescribed long ago -
(interposing): No, sir; it has nothing to do with that. What it has to do with is the ship itself. The ships are built nowadays to be practically unsinkable, and each ship is supposed to be a lifeboat in itself. The boats are merely supposed to be put on as a standby. The ships are supposed to be built, and the naval architects say they are, unsinkable under certain conditions. What the exact conditions are, I do not know, as to whether it is with alternate compartments full, or what it may be. That is why in our ship we carry more lifeboats, for the simple reason that we are built differently from the Titanic; differently constructed."
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