#asian american tim drake

[neonshadows9000]

Two tropes I love are TimKon Clone Baby AUs and Tim being of Asian descent, so what if we combine them?

In his grief induced, sleep deprived spiral Tim manages to produce a viable embryo and conks out right after confirming that it has no detectable defects and will not terminate if he takes his eyes off it.

When he wakes up he realizes how fucked up this whole situation is but by then accelerated aging has already grown the child to be visible with the naked eye and Tim can't bring himself to abort it despite the moral concerns and ramifications of keeping it. It's not Kon, he knows that, but it's the closest he has to him so he decides to let incubation progress and deal with the consequences.

He stops the accelerated growing to give himself more time organising how he's going to mange this and so he can tell the relevant people beforehand instead of just turning up with a child. But then Bruce dies, or so everyone thinks, and Tim leaves to get him back himself when it becomes clear that he can't rely on anyone to help.

His search for Bruce works on a different time schedule driven by desparation and recklessness because he needs to get back to the child as fast as humanly possible. This causes him to take more risks and be less forgiving in his actions and he manages to gather enough evidence sooner. He sends the information to the JL and makes sure to prevent Ra's from continuing the fight in Gotham before getting the kid and dropping off the grid, letting everyone else make their own assumptions on what happened to him. Their actions when he confided in them about his theory had shown him that he can't trust them anymore, so he leaves.

He rushes to prepare his departure with the now born baby and leaves for his mother's childhood home in the Philippines. He'd visited it a few times with his mother and once with Kon but nobody else knows about it. (What Tim doesn't know is that in his haste to disappear he forgot to erase the simplest thing.)

Tim raises the child there, learning more about his own heritage and meeting estranged family members along the way.

He's using tech to disguise himself, appearance and biosignatures, from both the Justice League and the remains of Ra's empire, with Tam and Pru keeping him up to date on significant happenings respectively.

Meanwhile Dick has been worrying about Tim, which is only amplified when Bruce comes back and Tim doesn't, when Bruce asks about him and Dick doesn't have an answer, when Kon and Bart return with grandiose tales of the future to no best friend to tell them to.

Bruce starts searching for Tim during his recovery and Cassie catches Kon and Bart up to everything that happened between their deaths and Tim's disappearance.

They notice she's holding back on telling them something and she reluctantly shares how she caught him trying to clone Kon. Kon, overwhelmed and disturbed by the news, leaves them to process by himself. When he's calmed down and rationalised that he doesn't have the whole story, since Tim isn't here to tell it, he goes to the lab to look for... anything, really. A notebook, a diary, something that can tell him what Tim was thinking.

He finds the lab empty, all notes and cloning equipment destroyed. But on the computer he finds evidence that Tim was here after he disappeared, and that the cloning was successful.

So Kon is sure that Tim is out there, that he's with a child and that he went of his own accord. Where would Tim go, avoiding everyone that would search for him? That could be anywhere!

But does the child, his child, change his decision making? Kon can think of one place, far enough to not raise unwelcome memories of what he's leaving behind, sentimental enough to want to introduce his child to and secret enough that only one other living person knows about it. Or no other, considering that Tim was gone before he could find out that Kon's alive from anyone in the community and the news isn't public yet.

Kon flies to the home Tim had shown him once and finds it lived in. Toys and food and clothes and pictures all over the place. But no Tim and no baby. So Kon waits.

Tim comes back a few hours later, child in tow, from visiting his great aunt and uncle who he has started visiting regularly to learn about his family's history and share about his and his mother's lives in America. They're slowly starting to not need his cousins to translate anymore as Tim is learning enough Filipino to make up for their limited English.

The sight that greets Tim when he rounds corner is Kon tracing the pictures that Tim has taken and hung up since moving here.

Tim bursts into tears as he sees Kon, who himself startles, at Tim's entrance. They have a long, tearful reunion before Kon asks about the kid and Tim explains everything.

In the end Kon isn't happy about what happened but he sees the difference in how Clark and Luthor treat him to how Tim loves the child. He sees how Tim regrets hurting Kon with his actions and how what he did was not out of greed but out of grief.

Kon visits often after that, getting introduced to Tim's extended family and Tam and Pru. He eventually brings up letting other people know and Tim's apprehensive but lets Kon bring Bart the next time. Bart who is ecstatic at being an uncle and will definitely spoil the kid rotten. Together they manage to convince Tim to give telling other people a try, not necessarily about the kid or his location but at least that he's alive.

So Tim starts video calls with Bruce and Dick and Cassie, telling them that he's fine but that he won't come home, talking about what happened and how each of them hurt because of it. Eventually he'll let Kon take him for a visit in person. Eventually he'll tell them about his son, scared and hopeful, and they'll tell him that they'd love to meet him. Eventually he introduces them and watches everyone coo and baby talk to him.

Eventually Tim's anxiety about seeing them will turn into excitement and his son will grow up knowing his family in the Philippines and his family in America.

[noneknxws]

“Wow I really want Asian Tim/very diverse batfam!” here you go

(I don’t want any discourse about this btw, this was just for fun!! i love all the batfam members and their ethnicities with my whole heart, and I really want to write more focusing on different members and how they think about their cultures. thanks for understanding 🫶)

[brucewaynehater101]

I was wondering what Tim's racial traits are? Because I know that Bruce is Jewish, Dick is Romani, Jason is possibly Latino (I don't know if it's canon but his own traits wouldn't change because Latinos are very diverse, some may be white… The Latina who lives in Latam speaks uwu) , Cass is Asian, I think Chinese?, Babs is possibly white, Duke is Afro-American, Alfred is obviously British, Steph is white and Damian is mixed Arab-Jewish.

This is because I have seen him portrayed as white, Jewish or Asian, specifically Chinese, Japanese or Cambodian. I also love the possibility that the Batfam is a target of the Pro American (Damian would be a frequent victim) and Neo Nazis (Here they put everyone in the bag , even Tim if he were a white man the Nazis also persecuted homosexuals) and I feel that it would be something that would unite them as a family because it would be them against the world sjfshsaj and DC is a coward, possibly they put those things. and i lov your work uwu

Hello! I've seen a ton of cool AUs that portray him (and more specifically his mom) from different backgrounds, but I believe he is canonically white.

For Tim, I've seen some posts mentioning that some comic book creator was going to make him Jewish. They never quite added that into canon (his dad is atheist and his mom is implied to be Catholic), but that might be another reason why he's been portrayed as Jewish or other cultural backgrounds in AUs. Personally, it's rad to see how his storyline, characterization, or choices may or may not change or be affected by changing his upbringing, cultural background, or race. I've seen some cool AUs with Red Room or Russian decent Tim Drake.

I'm honestly not positive on Jason. I don't think DC quite confirmed a specific ethnicity for him, but he's implied to be white. I was trying to find anything that mentioned it, and someone talked about how, when he was researching who his bio mom is, he seriously considered Lady Shiva. This could indicate that he's racially ambiguous.

I personally hc him to be a third or fourth generation immigrant on his dad's side. This, in the hc, could be examined for how his dad may face social and structural barriers to obtaining work. Combined with his dad becoming a father at a young age (anywhere from 18 to 23), Willis was forced to find illegal work just to pay his bills for his family. At least, that's my hc if we're going with a good parent Willis.

You are correct that the Waynes, due to their mixed backgrounds, may face hate or be targeted by hate groups. Barbara may also be included with this due to her visible disability (I hc that some of the Waynes have, at the very least, some invisible disabilities). If we're going strictly off of canonically proven backgrounds/traits, Tim would face hate for being openly bisexual.

I am not aware of any hate groups residing within Gotham. I could 100% be wrong about that. There is the possibility of eugenicists, anti-meta groups, and supremacists (especially in positions of power) existing in Gotham. On the other hand, some of the Rogues would probably decimate those groups if they tried to root themselves in Gotham. That city is chaotic, but I love the hc that the Bats and some rogues (like Harley, Riddler, and Ivy) protect Pride events and other such gatherings. I find it more healing to think about the Rogues, despite being mass murders, drawing the line at being a bigot.

I've seen some fics that chat about the Waynes coming to Damian's defense when he's being racially targeted at school or galas. I haven't seen any for the Waynes as a whole being targeted by hate groups, but that is a possibility to explore. At the very least, there may be some awful shit online that Barbara stumbles across (even if the users aren't based in Gotham due to the Waynes being famous).

I'm glad that you enjoy my work! Stay safe, everyone, and fuck the pieces of shits that hate folks for being themselves.

[i-yap]

omg you are also south indian!!!! i find it really hard to find south indians on here, could you do the batboys reacting to reader wearing traditionally indian clothing for a wedding they are attending???

Im north Indian with a little spanish in me shifting to NY actually but yea the indian dc fanfic community is smaller. I love the idea of a traditional indian s/o with Jason particularly. Dick with someone spanish , tim with an African American, Damian with caucasion and bruce with someone asian. Idk why Thats just How I imagine it. Its in no way a canon to their character or a generalization of people from a culture but the cultures ,and norms and values of these cultures really suit the batboys. Hope this isn't offensive. So Im just going to do batboys x reader in a family event .

Batboys(tim, dick, jason , bruce)x y/n - At a family event

Dick Grayson

is also dressed in your cultural's traditional clothes. Dick has traveled all over the world and he likes seeing you in your traditional clothes. Being comfortable in your traditional wear, being in "your element" . He charms up all your family members, no-one even calls him the white boyfriend anymore . The women also hit on him( of all age groups srsly) He is part of the family by the end( or within 5 mins) of the night . Dont be surprised when you find him and your family laughing about what jokes your parents are going to make at your wedding. He isn't even nervous before going. He is a real charmer and you couldn't be prouder.

Jason todd

doesnt want to go. Really thinks your family wont like him and they probably wont the first time they meet him. Will still wear his leather jacket but at least he wore a white shirt and clean jeans? He even agreed to take the car rather then the bike. Will stop complaining the moment he sees you in your element. Like goddess pro max what even , so ethereal ,the world is shaking . Staring dialed up to 100/10 . plus his complaining was never serious to start with. He wants you to have a family, be connected to your background,. Its just one of the things that make you you and he wont change a single hair on you. Will probably get insecure ( I get set up or marriage proposal talks when I go to family functions - just indian girl things I hate it tbh. And I've noticed its a thing in a lot of cultures) because he'll think that you deserve that traditional life with people who 'get you" but no one will ever get you the way he does and you just need to remind him of that. He is a bit broody , tall and just kind of sticks by you . The men and boys of the group are probably fascinated by him so as the night goes he starts getting more comfortable around them. The kids lowkey like him a lot so its cute and you may get baby fever. And the older women of the group are poking at him( why the jacket? whats with that scar) and you'll have to rescue him. He'll do it all over for you though.

Tim drake-

time to put on that practiced facade. He is used to putting on a fake winning smile at those galas so imagine his surprise when his old tricks don't work at your family function. Personal space? privacy?? fake formalities?? don't exist. Bonus points if it isn't a fake rich family. But he gets to see you In a pretty clothes and he is simping, teasing you on how you look like a real girl now(but he lowkey prefers you in the geeky shirts you guys share) . he did research so like ask him the They are still very impressed by your respectful young man ( who is super rich and smart). He gets by tbh, a bit shy because he is just so not used to all this. But keep him near you, show him how to dance properly and get a few drinks in him and its a party. He loves it, your family loves him and your cousins are now his besties (don't ask when that happened). He loves having a family and it just leaves him with wonder. He is in awe of this and so grateful that you let him into your life.

Bruce wayne

does a lot of research . He knows exactly how to act, what to say and what to do. A bit cold and aloof . Still surprised by the whole chaos . But unlike tim he keeps his cool. your family is impressed by you "bagging" the rich billionaire boyfriend. If this is batman with robins ver then they are worried about the huge amount of kids he adopted and what that means for you. So uh..just mention the billion again? They ask really personal questions but bruce prepared and is so ready for it. He loves seeing you in your traditional clothes, probably encourages you to wear them casually too. As if anyone can stop you, go to galas in traditional clothes or just wear home traditional in the mansion. Over all he loves getting a peak into your life and what experiences shaped you to be the woman he loves so dearly now.

If there's anything offensive about this let me know and I will change the content or even delete the whole thing. Ive based it a little of the four different cultured families I have and the common stuff I've noticed in all of them. But I've tried keeping it as general as possible tbh. So I'm sorry if this is offending anyone.

[cosmicpoutine]

Can you give a summary of / sales pitch for this Drake prince thingy you keep talking aboot?

no way you just asked me about my favorite show???

the dragon prince is a fantasy cartoon? it's 3d animated but it has a rly good rendering that makes it look kinda 2d? there's so many canonically lgbt characters including the best elf ever, runaan wHOM IS AN ASSASSIN and i love him dearly. there's also a lot of representation of black and asian characters.

the story is mostly about kids breaking the cycle of hatred that their parents and ancestors set up hundreds of years ago. rayla was supposed to kill ezran bc he's the prince and she's a trained assassin elf but she never had the guts to kill anyone. and callum is ez's adoptive brother so he's like oh i'm the prince (lies) kill me and she almost did but they found the egg of the dragon prince which everyone thought had been destroyed (that's why rayla was there to kill them as revenge) and they decide to steal it back and bring it to the dragon queen.

the first few seasons can be a little silly and sound childish bc they were tying to keep it pg, but rn we're at a point in the story where if they want it to progress it cannot be pg anymore?? so they changed it i think, idk exactly how american tv works.

anyways it's really good and rn would be a great time to get into tdp because season 7 was greenlit AND if we get more audience it will be approved for another arc with 3 more seasons and that would be the dream for me

i have so much old tdp content on my blog you can search with the hashtags in case you wanna check it out before watching the show.

i was very much a tdp blog before tim drake decided to fuck this up for me

[ao3feed-brucewayne]

When Our Shadows Disappeared

by HoneyDewed_LemonDrops “Robin, report,” Batman, not Bruce, chimes, and Tim internally breathes out in relief. At least they’d gotten into the normal system, which meant they were free for the most part. The person doesn’t fight him as he stares down at them. “I lost them,” He lies. It doesn’t matter. He tugs the device out of his ear and drops it. He hears it buzz and die when he steps on it. It doesn’t matter, the trackers are still live. If both Batman and Nightwing are free, he gives it about three minutes before one of them shows up. He freezes when he meets their eyes, because they’re the same ones that look back at him in the mirror. No. — Or: I wanted to write a Cass and Tim twin au because there’s tumblr posts of them but no fics and they’re so sosjsbrownanebrbr Words: 8163, Chapters: 1/1, Language: English Series: Part 4 of Mostly Unconnected Batfam One-Shots Fandoms: Batman - All Media Types Rating: Teen And Up Audiences Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings Categories: Gen Characters: Tim Drake, Jack Drake, Janet Drake, Cassandra Cain, Jason Todd, Bruce Wayne, Dick Grayson Relationships: Janet Drake & Tim Drake, Tim Drake & Jason Todd, Tim Drake & Dick Grayson, Cassandra Cain & Tim Drake, Tim Drake & Bruce Wayne, Cassandra Cain & Tim Drake & Bruce Wayne, Tim Drake & Dick Grayson & Bruce Wayne Additional Tags: Good Parent Janet Drake, like I made myself like her when writing this, BAMF Tim Drake, Jack Drake is Not Tim Drake's Biological Parent, Tim Drake-centric, Janet Drake is Not Tim Drake’s Biological Parent, Cassandra Cain and Tim Drake are Siblings, Assassin Tim Drake, Good Sibling Tim Drake, Tim Drake is Not Okay, Tim Drake Needs a Hug, Good Sibling Cassandra Cain, BAMF Cassandra Cain, Protective Cassandra Cain, Assassin Cassandra Cain, Tim Drake Has Issues, Tim Drake Whump, Tim Drake is Not Red Robin, Cassandra Cain is Not Black Bat, Cassandra Cain is a Wayne, Hurt Tim Drake, Hurt Cassandra Cain, Cassandra Cain and Tim Drake Are Twins, Aged-Down Cassandra Cain, Tim Drake is a Menace, Dead Jack Drake and Janet Drake, Good Parent Bruce Wayne, Good Sibling Dick Grayson, Functional Wayne Family, as in their relationships are fine and dandy and nothing is bad, protective batsiblings, that should be a tag fuck off, Yes beta we come back like all the robins, Batfamily (DCU) Feels, Cassandra Cain Joins the Batfamily Early, French Tim Drake, Tim Drake Speaks French, Asian-American Tim Drake, hes technically Japanese but was raised in France, Jason is in this once, there is a planned sequel but idk if I’ll be able to do it, Dick Grayson is Nightwing, No beta we die like janet, for now via https://ift.tt/nZL7fpi

[mamawasatesttube]

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can't send this as a proper link but this reminded me of the discussion on your blog a few days ago re: asian tim hcs. don't mean to reopen discourse!! just thought you might like seeing it

oh for sure!! fandoms looove to infantilize east asian men :')

which is NOT to say asian tim hcs are inherently bad or anything tho, i have to slap this disclaimer here bc i AM an asian tim enjoyer. (my fav hc is actually quarter chinese tim whose mom was half but never taught him much of anything abt what of her culture she learned from her chinese parent bc she wanted him to assimilate better than she was able to. adds flavor to his relationship with janet and also to his need to be jack's classic all-american son. and also fodder to tim's general self-invalidation and identity issues. love to give this guy identity issues <3)

but yeah no the way fandom often interacts with a lot of race headcanons is to just slap some surface-level racial stereotypes down and be like "yaaay i got the diversity brownie points!" which can be exhausting to say the least. it's nice to see it acknowledged and talked about though!!

[mydreambatfam]

Batfam Fancast Part 13: The Al Ghuls

Oh baby my first request! @callmekohaii asked and they shall recieve.

The eternal Al Ghuls. Ra's,Talia,Dusan,Nyssa and Damian. For centuries this family has affected the world in more ways then we will ever know. Integral to the League of Assassins this family are known to be pompous and pretentious aristocrats. So who will be these immortal individuals?

Before we go any further we do have a major conflict to resolve. That problem is the ethnicity of the family. When potrayed before they had rather problematic castings, however the very concept of these characters are problematic in of themselves. Being Middle Eastern aristocratic type people that create conflict based on personal extremist ideals. Similar to the Drake family I have to be careful with how I elaborate and edit on these characters stories and must be thoughtful with how I want to portray these characters without stepping on anyone's toes.

I also have to remember to cast people that aren't completely Americanized, unlike most of the Batfamily who are all east coast American besides Alfred. Actors who are of Middle Eastern or Asian descent seem to be my best bet and have some actors be mixed as well.

Ra's Al Ghul

The leader of the League of Assassins, the Demon's Head, Grandpappy Stabby Stab. The figurehead of the family, Ra's Al Ghul is a legendary DC character, a well-known Batman villain that can keep up with the likes of Batman. Obsessed with destroying the world to remake in his own image he will do anything and everything for his goals, but still hold himself to degree of honor. However he is hypocritical holding onto old ideals that won't have him accept more liberal ideas. He still respects people of similar status though. Even seeing the like Bruce Wayne and Tim Drake as potential successors. Yet still forgoes someone like his Son or Daughters as successors no matter their enthusiasm for it.

There is only one actor that can covers all the things needed for this character and has been with him for over a decade. Oded Fehr has been voicing Ra's Al Ghul for Young Justice since 2011. He is 52 years old, has experience with action thanks to the Mummy movies and is Israeli. He is by far the best choice for this mastermind.

Nyssa Raatko

Nyssa Raatko also known as Nyssa al Ghul is the oldest known daughter of Ra's and half-sister to Talia. She was born early 18th and disassociates herself from her father sometime in the early 20th century. She has lived through WW2, her family she had were victims of the Nazis concentration camps. Even when she begged for help her father did nothing leaving her there. This left her spiteful and out for revenge.

Unlike canon a major change I'm going to make is the WW2 backstory, instead of a Nazi Concentration Camp, It's a Japanese prison in the Philippines. They tried to escape to the Philippines till the war spread there, her husband and sons dying after the "Bataan Death March" and Nyssa becoming one of the many women who are victims of the Japanese, becoming a Comfort Woman. Her evolution post WW2 however is to have her path of vengeance though violence changed into kindness... with violence. Using the generations of wealth she had acquired she becomes an icon of peace to the public, helping third world countries develop, using her sect of League Assassins to kill whoever stops her development, no matter their morals or even compassionate actions. She accidently becomes the very thing she wished to not associate with.

For Nyssa I need an actress who is most likely more mixed compared to Ra's, living in Southeast Asia. She doesn't have to be white and has to be active enough to do some to little fighting.

Elodie Yung is the only actress I thought of. She's the only half asian actress with martial arts training and enough experience in both action and acting. You might remember her as Elektra in Daredevil and as the main character in The Cleaning Lady.

Dusan Al Ghul

The tragic Dusan Al Ghul son of Ra's Al Ghul. A disappointment to his father's eyes he would do anything for his respect, even rising through the ranks under the guise of the White Ghost. He also albino for some reason. I think instead of him being Albino I want to emphasize him being an unintended child. Using those old ideals the Al Ghul's follow he is a bastard in his eyes, it's not just Ra's Al Ghul but the whole family that shuns him.Think Jon Snow or Gendry from Game of Thrones. Decades of longing lead to Dusan's obsessive drive for his family's love.

Joe Taslim has been nothing but delight finding international stardom thanks to The Raid:Redemption and later the HBO/Cinemax show Warrior. Staring in one of the best contemporary action films and martial arts drama, he is perfect to play this bastard son.

Talia Al Ghul

Daughter of the Demon and Mother to Damian, she is a main stay when it come to the Al Ghuls, a master manipulator like her father she later commanded the organization known as Leviathan. From villain to ally, then back to villain it's hard to say where her true loyalty will stand. She sees her methods as absolute and only the most stubborn of personalities could ever change her mind. Not even her own son persuade her, even willing to kill her own son for her own ambitions.

Many of the castings are rather difficult, yet this was a rather easy character to make. Known for her work in the show The Boys and as the character Farah Karim in Call of Duty Claudia Doumit is a Austrailian actress of Lebenese descent. Her prolific filmography has shown she is more than capable of playing this popular anti villain.

Damian Wayne

The newest Robin and biological son of Batman Damian Wayne is DC current wannabe shonen protaganist. He's a great character when writers remember that League of Assassin training means nothing when you fight beside the people who beat them constantly.

Brutal, short-tempered, and looking to be accepted, his assassin upbringing has left many holes in his ability to socialize in modern society. Unable to relate to anybody besides the more upscale aristocratic part of the world. He wishes to grow up so fast only to forget that growing up is part of the process. A major change I want to address is his upbringing, I want to emphasize the brutally conservative nature of the League of Assassins and the cycle of abuse his family continues to use. By embracing his father's side of the family he learns to forge his own identity and unlike many writers right now, learns that he does not want to be Batman and luckily has Brothers willing to carry that weight for him.

Another major character dynamic I want to switch is between Tim Drake and Dick Grayson. I want the antagonistic nature between him and Tim to go from rivals to family, with Tim filling in as the Big Brother role. Dick being the oldest needs to fill the mentor role, especially since he is the Batman to his Robin. By Dick having the more begrudging frenemy nature allows for them to grow as master and student. Think of Damian as Ahsoka Tano with Tim and Dick as Anakin and Obi-Wan during the Clone Wars. Damian grows on you as a character while the other two are more established and likable.You can even fit Drake and Josh on here with Damian as Megan.

Boy have I seen some terrible fancast for this boi. Like I hate all of them, why you casting 20 something you heathens? IMDB, Google, the damn Disney Channel. Can you not find 1 non white child actor? Gordon Cormier is a 13 year old Filipino Canadian actor who is going to play Aang in the Avatar The Last Airbender live action adaption. He is the only actor who can fit all the criteria that I have put for this character. I have scoured the globe and no one in his age bracket will work besides him. If this young man can play Aang, he can play Damian Wayne.

[the-batacombs]

Okay I've been READING COMICS finally. I've not had anything on my TV watch list (that I wanted to watch), and I've had a lot of free time, so. Comics.

Green Arrow (1988) Vol. 1: Hunter's Moon, Vol. 2: Here There Be Dragons

I'm going to be honest I liked these way more than I was expecting to. The very prominent politics of this one are very wobbly compared to the Adams/O'Neil GA/GL, but it's a little more modern in its sentiments. Surprisingly progressive on gay men and East Asian characters, surprisingly regressive on Native American and Black characters. The colouring had a lot to contribute to that read. Grell's pacing is solid, his ongoing here has a lot more light in it than in Longbow Hunters, and his Dinah kind of dips in and out of being a really strong character and disappearing again into a kind of generic female cattiness. Art on this one has that wonderful late eighties/early nineties quality where the linework is starting to explode in what's creatively allowed. It's very pretty. Planning on picking up Vol. 3 as soon as I can track it down.

Green Arrow (2001) Vol. 1: Quiver

Okay, I understand why people like this one. It's a deep-cuts, I would have been lost if I hadn't been reading at least a little chronologically through GA comics, and it's very very good. It's stuck a little in the nineties curse re: art, and I got so thrown by he-looks-white!Connor Hawke it's almost funny, but the pacing is amazing amazing. Very few comics are paced this well, where something substantial happens every issue in an organic way that moves the story forward. Also extremely politically stuck in its time period; if Grell was worried about China and Iran and Cold War/post-Cold War politics, this one is concerned with 9/11 and what's going to become War on Terror talking points. Shout-out to having more Tim Drake mentions than several recent volumes of Batman I've read where he's theoretically Robin.

Green Arrow: Stranded

This one is cute. 10/10 for kid Oliver's green hoodie, it's fantastic. This one strongly resembled Batgirl: Shadow of the Bat in tone, where they're preserving what they can about the canonical origin story but kind of glossing over the details and hoping the cute art will carry the violence past concerned editorial/parental eyes. It's fun, it's about a twenty-minute read and Oliver's crazy archery glee plus the pressure of having to take care of other people really strengthen the comic. It does a nice little loop where Oliver doesn't really have to learn anything about himself except that he can be brave when he needs to be, but his dad has to learn something about him. (Sometimes GA writers talk about the stranded-on-the-island era as a kind of "life lessons" era and it drives me bonkers. So this was nice.)

We Are Robin (2016) Vol. 1: The Vigilante Business

This comic...really lost me. I really liked it conceptually and as a Gotham/batbook. The art was fun and dynamic and the Duke voice was excellent crazy fantastic. But regarding the actual narrative, it moved way too slowly. Even after six issues I'm not sure what the actual drive of the story was, and none of the dangling threads were resolved. I had really wanted to read this, but it's definitely pushed Vol. 2 and Robin War farther back on my list, because this was more frustrating than entertaining to parse. Not helped on my end by really not having any context for what was going on in New52 Batman; this is potentially better if you read it in a row with the subsequent volumes, but I wouldn't know yet.

The Flash (2016) Vol. 19: The One-Minute War

Okay this was...not exactly what I thought it was going to be, because it didn't really deliver on the promise of the premise of a One-Minute War. It was, however, extremely fun silly comics story, and it completely sold me on reading the rest of the Adams Flash run. Bart Allen my boy Bart Allen. <3 Also Irey! And Jai! And Linda! And Wally! Really crazy Flash speed force stuff that made the sci-fi part of my brain go whizz-bang-whirr with joy. I read all that GA and decided I was definitely a batbook fan, but I read this and seriously considered that I could become a big Flash fan. Anyway, I had a lot of fun with this one. Strongly recommend although it's Vol. 19 and if you don't know all the characters it won't make any sense and I think it will be much less fun. It's a character story. (On which note, I wish it had tried to be less girlpower. Stronger Linda/Irey characterization here would have done a lot for it.)

Nightwing (1996): Brothers in Blood

I can't believe I found this, I was literally so psyched to read this. I love Jason as a villain, he's just somehow the perfect combination of compelling antagonist character and so, so lame. Everything about this plot was ??? but the tentacle guy coming out of nowhere was a huge plus. Jason should've got to keep the tentacle powers I'm just saying. Dick's just very Dick Grayson in this thing, his life is a mess, it was surprisingly tonally coherent but also very much...not my tone? The last Nightwing I read I think was Taylor's and the shift between the perfect TT apartment and Dick's definitely illegal loft here, with a pretty redheaded girl being mildly snarky in both, is...weird. The more things change the more they stay the same? He also looks about fifteen years older here than he does in TT's run, which is just funny. Kind of confirmed for me that Nightwing (1996) is almost definitely a very good comic that I probably won't enjoy that much. And that Jason's Actual Villain Era is fantastic and I should hunt down every appearance. He's so much more interesting before he became a moral conundrum for Bruce to be sad over.

[fortressofserenity]

Not so easily swapped with and other thoughts on racebending

When it comes to racebending characters and the like, there are cases where they can’t be easily racebent. Consider how something like Death Note built on animism, as Japan is predominantly animist, that if you were to make all the characters Cameroonian you’d also have to change the underlying religious subtext as Cameroon has a substantial Christian population. You’d get Witch Note instead with Light and Misa using demonic familiars to get to where they are, committing acts of witchcraft so alarming that a detective like L is sent to investigate those cases. I have thoughts of racebending the Death Note characters, but transporting the characters to Cameroon involves adjusting them to its particular cultural and religious context.

A Mortal Kombat that’s actually made by Asians and Asian Americans would have a more intimate relationship with Asian cultures, histories and philosophies in a way regular Mortal Kombat would never have, it would also be a Mortal Kombat that’s much less orientalist as this would be built on the lived experiences of the programmers and game developers supposing if they’re actually Asian or Asian American themselves. The Superman stories, with its immigrant undertones, would turn out very differently if its creators were indigenous Americans. Turning Superman into somebody who’s indigenous American effectively undoes or cancels the character’s association with immigration, especially if you have entire communities indigenous to the Americas for centuries and even millennia.

I’m pretty much addressing stories and characters where they can’t be easily race-swapped due to the underlying cultural contexts they take place in, especially if it’s particular to certain communities and cultures that can’t be easily exported onto others. Then there are characters that are rarely ever racebent, not necessarily so much due to an intrinsic quality, but rather certain communities and people project a lot onto them. Racebending Felicity Smoak is far less common than racebending Jason Todd and Tim Drake, in part because so many white women project themselves onto her that makes racebending her usually unexplored in fandom. It would also make a canonically racebent Felicity even more controversial because they project a lot onto her.

Or for another matter, Superman, where there’s a tendency to uphold him and his cousin as white American in a way Pete Ross, Lana Lang, Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen don’t get to be. They could easily be European immigrants and still be accepted as American, which is kind of racist not just to nonwhite immigrants but also to indigenous Americans themselves. And why reimagining Superman to be indigenous is practically impossible given the context and how white people project themselves a lot onto Superman and Supergirl. There was one Japanese American actor who played Superman before, but he’s the exception to the rule.

So in Superman’s case it’s a combination of something intrinsic to how he’s conceived that can’t be easily adapted to indigenous communities and also white people projecting a lot onto him, so sometimes certain characters can’t be easily racebent due to these two factors working together. It is possible but not particularly easy and smooth.

[maybe-i-will-fandom]

Canonically Tim Drake always been white and if I'm being honest, it really rubs me (and every other Asian and mixed Asian fan I've talked to about this) the wrong way that the bat-protege who gets twinkified the most is also now suddenly being widely headcanoned as Asian or wasian despite ... literally being white his entire existence.

I need y'all who are hoping on this to really consider why you've chosen to have that headcanon for Tim. Are you falling for the feminization of east Asian men on the twinkified bat-kid? Are you falling for the Nerdy Asian stereotype on the "smart" batkid? Are you falling for the delicate chinadoll/defenseless Asian stereotype on a spleenless (I.e. more vulnerable) (and sometimes thusly babied by the fandom) bat-kid?

Are u basing this headcanon on a stereotype? Even subconsciously?

Is there any aspect of any of Tim's storylines or character traits that suggests an Asian American experience? Or are you just picking a random character and wanting to make them Asian? If so, why not go for the characters who canonically are, like Damian and Cassandra?

We all wish there was more racial diversity in DC's high-volume main characters. But I need white fans to understand that just slapping random races onto characters that are written as completely white does not equate to representation. Race really isn't just skin-color deep.

[5-7-9]

saw the poll about least liked Batfam but decided to make my own post.

Dick Grayson was the first robin. After learning more about him the less I know why he exists. He’s childish and funny. Probably so Batman wasn’t lonely but couldn’t influence Batman in any way. But then he stopped being that so idk. Batman copycat? But slightly likable but only because his friends make him better.

Jason Todd was hated on for being a kid so he got all these “unlikable” qualities (poverty, drug addiction) and became an unlikable person. He’s alright.

Tim Drake was made to be relatable to a certain audience and it shows.He only perpetuates the Batman industry that should’ve ended years ago.

Damian was created to perpetuate the bloodline to cater to nepotism. But i think they chose Talia so Batman could take him away from her. But it backfired. If we focus on caring about Talia we can expand the conversation about a non white woman again.

Barbara Gordon was created to be a FUCKING love interest. Then to cater to feminists but (mostly) the only the way sexists know how to. But after getting fridged; A wonderful writer made her into an advocate for disabled (handicap). Intersectionality got more supporters to care about her, which is deserved. (Sidenote: Babs reminds me of my very cool competent older sister. So she also unerves me but like in a good way if I wasn’t a younger sib)

Duke Thomas is pretty relatable for a black teen; and he also joined a movement for children taking back their rights (self defense). And introduced the WAR characters which is nice to focus on minority stories again.

Cass is THE asian american diaspora. And her rewritten stereotypes is such a cool way to humanize caricatures AMAZING.

Stephanie Brown was a love interest. Taken down to boost up Tim. Too impulsive to be Robin and left out of stories. Those are the bad stuff. The good stuff is that she’s like Jason ( positive). Stands up against her abusive father. Still sorta close with her mother. Cass’s friend. Okay i lied. There’s one more bad thing about Steph. She’s also like Jason (negative). (And it makes me scared to talk about it because i think there’s some kind of internet thingy about r*df*ms which I don’t agree with because of it’s white superiority centric stuff 😓).

So it’s between Dick, Tim, Steph, and Jason. Downsizing to Tim, Steph and Jason because Dick and the Teen Titans are great. Downsizing to Steph and Jason because Tim came out as bisexual which is ironic but also serves the same reason why Kate was retconned to be lesbian, because it’s a fuck you to the homophobes from the Batman controversies of the past :)

I genuinely believe Steph and Jason could be better, but it’s tough. It’s really tough. I’m downsizing to just Steph because Jason’s relationship with Bizzaro was sweet, and he could have friends like with Rose and Artemis (is she allowed to use that name? Lol) and sorta is already.

Steph isn’t really- i mean, idk. She doesn’t pull in new characters or dynamics, she doesn’t have a narrative relating to Gotham besides her resolved daddy issues which were resolved. The issue could be solved if she joined her own team? Like why is she so lonely bro. She could easily be a good character.

Coming back around to say Dick becoming the new Batman copycat or just whatever self insert writers wanna say, it’s a huge issue. Honestly, the amount of vagueness he is, is annoying. Genuinely goes back to the root core issue, Batman. Dick is barely his own person. All the changes isn’t even because of him anymore. He was taken away from his own backstory just to be for Batman. How dehumanizing is that? He’s just your spokes person supporter cheerleader for whatever you wanna say, and the DC writers sure had a lot of shit to say.

It’s tough. In conclusion, I gotta stop interacting with Batman man. I only joined because of the rouges honestly, but I get it with child rights so of course I’d get to know the batfam, but everything about the batfam fandom has really irritated me. No one here seems to care about children which is ironic

I guess it’s a tie between Dick Tim Jason Steph. Or Dick Tim. They’re boring.

[littleeyesofpallas]

Dug up an assortment of random indecipherable notes on a writing project I never even really started from, o I dunno 7ish years ago? And there is a kind of beautiful ironic meta quality to trying to decipher this shit because it was a Batman fic about Riddler adopting a teenager in an attempt to both beat batman at the orphan rearing game, and his own father whom I wrote a whole backstory with where he was the head of major Gotham private security firm that I named Nassec(NAShton SECurity).

The plot is unclear from my notes alone, and I have only vague memories of where my head was at at the time, but clearly there was a focus on the fairplay mystery of the whole elaborate riddler-esque heist, as Riddler's protege attempts to fulfill their role, but to the existential crisis of Riddler himself.

His adopted teen sidekick was a genderqueer asian-american trafficking victim, shunted thru the foster care system after a series of behavioral issues with otherfother families. They'd struggle with questions of racial/ethnic identity, gender and sexuality, and vigilante morality as they underwent their training with Eddie as a foster father, while he'd neglect their mental and emotional development in favor of strict tutelage in the criminal arts. At the same time Eddie would feel increasingly threatened by his own aptitude as a mentor, scared of what it would mean if he succeeded and actually built an intellect greater than not only himself but Batman. In the meantime he'd attempt to reapproach his long estranged father, CEO of Nassec, about his disinherited status and the new legacy of his protege.

There was some kind of elaborate kidnapping scheme where Batman, Riddler, and President Nashton would all wake in a series of SAW/ZeroEscape style deathtraps. Meanwhile the sidekick, whom I never decided on a name for, would have confronted Tim Drake about finding a place in someone else's shadow, while Nightwing and Oracle worked to track down Bruce's location. There was a whole series of redherrings and misdirections in play to keep them busy while the Riddler sidekick probed Robin for information about his place in Batman's great plan for Gotham, because they would be so fixated on what role they were supposed to play in opposition to that; just another in a long line of personal identity quandaries they'd have trying to triangulate a position between Is and Isn't.

There was supposed to be a whole conflict of identity, and credit and achievement, and parenthood and the psychological extension of ego that comes with raising a child. There was supposed to be a metaphor with puzzle boxes that I never quite nailed down. The three captives were all locked in cargo crates adrift at sea, and there was a whole thing about cooperation and progress built upon prior moves all about making way for the next step... Again I don't think I ever figured out the specific mechanical aspects of it... Certainly I didn't articulate them well...

Ultimately the puzzle would be solved, there would be a deceptively simple solution obscured by presumptive busy work, and by the time everything fell in line between the 3 plots (captives, rescue team, and confrontation with the mastermind) the Riddler sidekick would have escaped according to a prepared exit strategy with a vaguely threatening uncertainty as to whether or not they had decided on being a villain, and whether or not they'd come back to menace Gotham and the Batfam, or Riddler and Nassec. As they'd effectively end the story having proven themselves a credible threat to the Batfam, with an axe to grind with Riddler over their adoption and subsequent identity crisis, and with a legally defensivle claim to controlling shares of Nassec.

Oh and there was a whole Mary Shelly Frankenstein thing just kind of vaguely orbiting the halfformed plot that I never really nailed down either

But like i have zero idea how I thought I was going to tie all these details and themes and idea together in a coherent plot

[batarangsoundsdumb]

STOP COMPLEMENTING MY MIXED JAPANESE TIM HC YOURE MAKING ME WANT TO WRITE FANFICTION ABOUT IT OR SOMETHING

go check it out!

[ao3feed-brucewayne]

Adoption Through Dubious Means

read it on AO3 at https://ift.tt/hDzUxQp by TheVoidIsMyHome The one where Tim adopts a street kid named Jason Todd via prostitution? It's not as bad as it sounds, really Words: 6845, Chapters: 1/1, Language: English Fandoms: Batman - All Media Types Rating: Teen And Up Audiences Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Categories: Gen Characters: Tim Drake, Jason Todd, Bruce Wayne, Dick Grayson, Alfred Pennyworth, Jack Drake, Janet Drake, minor OCs Relationships: Tim Drake & Jason Todd, Tim Drake & Dick Grayson & Alfred Pennyworth & Jason Todd & Bruce Wayne, Jack Drake & Janet Drake & Tim Drake, Jack Drake & Janet Drake & Jason Todd Additional Tags: Bad Parents Jack Drake and Janet Drake, Absent Parents Jack Drake and Janet Drake, Asian-American Tim Drake, Tim Drake contains multitudes, Tim Drake-centric (DCU), Tim Drake and Jason Todd are Siblings, Jason Todd-centric, Tim Drake Needs a Hug (DCU), Tim Drake Gets a Hug (DCU), Through slightly dubious means, Adopting Siblings like you adopt pets, Brotherly Love, Brotherly Bonding, Brotherly Affection, Platonic Cuddling, Manipulative Janet Drake, Smart Tim Drake (DCU), Young Tim Drake, Pre-Robin Tim Drake, Tim Drake is Not Robin (DCU), Jason Todd is Not Robin, Dick Grayson is Robin, Dick Grayson is Not Nightwing, not yet, He's approaching that time, Bruce Wayne Tries to Be a Good Parent, Bruce Wayne is Batman read it on AO3 at https://ift.tt/hDzUxQp