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[brucewaynehater101]

Young Justice is crazy and I desperately need the Justice League to know it

Maybe a magician turned them into their 98 versions thinking they would be easier to defeat... They weren't easier to defeat, they are a hive mind, unpredictable and their ways of doing things don't make sense, but of course, of course, Somehow she defeats him without him realizing it, all while the League watches in growing horror.

Hmm... It would be cool to see how different YJ versions of them are versus older post-YJ.

Like the JL knows more about all of them now that they are adults. The version of them they are used to are the mature, confident, and agreeable kinds (agreeable as in more likely to be forward and honest about not following plans).

Then YJ gets thrown into their younger selves. Surely, seeing that they aren't adults anymore, the kids are more willing to follow directions/order. Except they aren't. They will maybe *say* they will and then Tim or Bart or Cassie will come up with some loophole in whatever the JL says. The kids are more guarded, secretive, and ruthlessly utilize how much they are underestimated.

And while the respective mentors may know how chaotic their mentee was at that age, it's nothing compared to how they all are together.

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DC in a Witcher AU: Gotham Kingdom

[I tried with the position names, y'all. Hopefully they fit]

Alfred Pennyworth [??] - Steward

A Steward who, much to the nobles' chargrin, became the guardian of a young Bruce Wayne and the regent. He is the King's most trusted ally and is in charge of ensuring the castle, its staff, and the royal family are in working order.

He was the previous spymaster until Barbara assumed the role. He is also rumored to not being human, but he has neither confirmed nor denied this.

Jim Gordon [Human] - Knight Commander

By the time Bruce becomes king, Jim is the Knight Commander

Barbara Gordon [Human] - Spymaster

Due to her father's position, Barbara is able to hide the fact that she is the current spymaster. She has agents all over the continent, but her most direct and trusted agents are part of the Birds of Prey.

She became paralyzed after an assassination attack targeting her father but, with the help of magic, has a wheelchair able to traverse most surfaces (and even go up stairs).

Lucius Fox [Human] - Chancellor

As Chancellor, his duties primarily concern foreign affairs, internal affairs, and finacial/economic issues. He has several individuals assisting him and advisors that he relies on. Bruce trusts him to oversee these matters and handle/notify accordingly.

Lucius's family members (Tam and Luke) also assist the man in various matters.

J'onn J'onzz [Doppler] - Court Druid

Bruce relies on him for magic/chaos related matters. J'onn isn't human, but he pretends to be in public company. He specializes in mind magic but refrains from it without permission or dire need.

Due to being a druid (and thus never officially trained by a school), Bruce will occasionally contact John Constantine (who refused an official position) for certain magic-related issues.

Duke Thomas [Human] - Apprentice Court Mage

Duke Thomas, unbeknownst to him, possesses elder blood from his father. The side effect is extremely powerful chaos to the point that he was sought out by Ban Ard Academy. The Thomases refused to enroll Duke, much to the Academy's anger.

To try to force Duke's hand, the academy sent some mages to curse Duke's parents to become the equivalent of brain dead.

Duke, who suspected the academy of foul play, dropped his parents at the church of Melitete and joined a group of peers fighting against authority figures trying to control them and harm others. They end up traveling Gotham Kingdom earning coin and saving people.

Once Duke finally has enough coin saved up to higher a Witcher, he puts a job posting up for anyone capable and willing to go after the mages that hurt Duke's parents. Hopefully, one of them is left alive to reverse what they did.

What Duke wasn't expecting was fully human Tim Drake to answer the posting.

After much debate, Jason gets thrown into this fuckery as well. The three of them face down the mages until one remains. The answer is extremely disappointing: The curse can only be broken by Duke when he reaches that level of proficeny with his chaos.

With Duke's distrust of the academy, Tim introduces Duke to J'onn. Duke's official position in court allows Duke to provide for himself and his parents while he trains.

Tamara Fox [Human] - Ambassador of Foreign Affairs

Her unofficial main role is to track down Tim and drag him back to Gotham whenever he is needed at court. Due to her frequent traveling (and Tim's eerie ability to befriend people), she tends to handle a lot of communication/correspondence with folks from all kinds of backgrounds. The Tim and Tam team have managed to secure a ton of alliances, prevent wars, and increase trade.

She also is aware of what's going on in Tim's lands and lends assistance when she can/wants to.

When she's not with Tim or hunting him down, she manages foreign affairs or assists her father.

Harvey Dent [Human] - Justiciar

Harvey Dent oversees a majority of the justice system within Gotham. He advises judges from all over the kingdom, hears difficult pleas, travels to ensure courts are upholding justice throughout, and consults Bruce on how various laws may impact the justice system and/or people.

During an incident a few years after he became Justiciar, Harvey was cursed. He slips into a mindset he refers to as "Two Face" that causes extreme harm and damage to others. It took time to adjust and find a solution, but Harvey is able to manage this curse with consistent dosages of his medicinal potions. Bruce and others in Harvey's support group are aware of signs of flare-ups and can adequately provide support. Harvey, with this, is happily able to continue his works as Justiciar.

Steph Brown [Human] - Herald

Steph was raised in the capitol city. When he father started committing crimes against the crown, Steph decided to thwart his plans. She doesn't love nobles, but King Bruce has been implementing/enforcing a ton of laws that help people.

Tim, who was investigating Steph's dad, stumbles upon Steph. He thus invites her to help him with capitol related intelligence-gathering and crime fighting. As time goes on, Steph gains an official court position and works closely with Barbara

Jarro [Sentient Starfish] - Court Jester

King Bruce sincerely wishes to officially adopt Jarro as his son. Unfortunately, a good chunk of the nobles would not allow him to do so.

Therefore, Bruce asked Jarro if he would like a position as the Court Jester. Jarro accepted.

Bruce quickly built everything necessary for Jarro to be comfortable in the castle

Harleen Quinzel [Human] - Court Healer

Harley specializes in both mind and healing magic. She grew up with both Harvey and Bruce.

Unlike other court healers, Harley insists on prevention. It is considered an odd quirk of hers that she proclaims stress to cause pain. She also correlates trauma as a reason for some physical ailments. While many do not believe her claims, they are unwilling to receive her ire (she carries a massive mallet with her). If Gotham's Court Healer prescribes one stretching and taking a break, one does not argue.

Pamela Isley [Artifical Dryad] - Environment Advisor

During an accident with chaos, Pamela is the only adult human woman to ever become a dryad. This increased her environmental protection tendencies.

King Bruce confers with her on the best approaches for agriculture and overall biome health of the various sections of the kingdom. Her knowledge on plants, weather, and even animals has saved numerous lives.

[brucewaynehater101]

consider - batman doesn't allow metas in his city because he *is* a meta. and his power is cancellation of meta/magic/alien powers. literally just the human equivalent of kryptonite for everyone. he retains his status as an urban legend and doesn't join the justice league. he trains robins, and they join the titans and yj, but batman stays away.

and then one of his kids is a meta.

Hmm... How controllable is his power? Is it a constant radius based side effect (anyone within x amount of distance has their powers/abilities neutralized)? Can he turn it off?

If he can't, that would be a hell of a double-edged sword.

I do like the idea of recluse cryptid-like Batman not being a part of the JL and all of his kids befriending other superhero kids. The JL would be hella confused and concerned cause there's some Gotham vigilante children running around and they are being mentored by "the Batman."

[brucewaynehater101]

Here's a fic that somewhat goes over the horror of non-consensually being drugged for "your own good."

It's got good older sibling Jason Todd and Tim as the one being drugged. It is not a good older sibling Dick Grayson fic.

To add to the message above: Drugging Tim "for his own good" is fucked up.

It's one thing if Alfred offers to administer medication to Tim to help him sleep. That includes consent, prior knowledge, and the ability to refuse. It offers the good intent while not infringing on Tim's autonomy.

Another reason the drugging is not ideal: Side effects.

Once or twice may not pose a problem, but continuously drugging Tim? Not only would this cause psychological issues, but it could impact Tim's physical health as well.

Overall, I agree it doesn't make sense for Dick or Jason to consent to or agree to non-consensually drug Tim for sleep.

So I know how we have a lot of Jason and Dick or even Alfred drugging Tim in fics.

I have never liked that what so ever.

Like I don't think we as fandom really think about it.

I want you to imagine your brother or grandfather adjacent person handing you a drink that without thinking you take. You drink it and then nothing your are just out for over twelve hours.

You don't know what happened, you will never know what happened in that time frame all because you weren't sleeping the amount they wanted you to.

Also these are trained vigilante's who have more than likely witnessed rape cases with drugs who have had to help someone who was roofed home why in the fuck would you do that to one of yours.

Now another aspect why in the fuck would Jason Todd no drugs to children, and Dick Grayson who has had his bodily autonomy taken from him do this to their brother.

Alfred ok maybe he's done it to Bruce so many times he just doesn't think.

But look me in the fucking eyes and tell me they wouldn't lose their actual fucking shit if that was done to Damian or Tim.

They wouldn't be cool with it, they wouldn't laugh at it.

Imagine Jason and Dick chilling in the cave it's been a long patrol about to head to bed when they see Alfred come down and hand Tim coffee an energy drink pick your poison. They watch as Tim looks at Alfred before shoving it away.

"Master Tim it would be beneficial to your health if you drink your beverage."

"Sorry but I don't feel like being drugged tonight."

Dick wouldn't even blink before shattering the mug. Jason would be screaming at Alfred.

They would never trust that man again, the man who fed and taught them someone who had their backs.

Betrayed everything it doesn't matter the reason.

Or what if Tim drank it.

He starts slurring his words, starts to almost fall over calling for Jason or Dick.

"It was Drugged."

Falling unconscious into Jason's arms.

Jason who is screaming for help they don't know what it was they assume someone poisoned him not their sweet grandpa Alfred. The whole family rushing Dick practically crying only for Alfred to not blink tell them to get him bed as if it's normal.

In conclusion Dick Grayson and Jason Todd would not be the the spokesmen for drugging your baby brother and then carrying him to bed. They would not tamper with Tim or Damian's food. They would not ok with little brothers falling out of chairs or losing time not knowing what happened. All because they weren't following someone else's rules.

Well Tim hasn't slept in twenty four hours oh ok then let's drug him without his consent because I want him to go to bed.

That's some Arkham level bullshit.



[brucewaynehater101]

Ra's is what... 600 or so years old?

Things I now want to see from his POV:

The birth of America

Using a Blackberry phone for the first time

Learning to drive one of the first cars

Using a musket

Driving an army tank

Navigating the first commercial computer

MySpace

Meeting Michelangelo

Seeing an original Shakespeare production

Reading Isaac Newton's theories on gravity

Hearing about Victorian's eating mummies

The miasma theory

[brucewaynehater101]

If you're writing fanon coffee obsessed Tim Drake, might I suggest:

[brucewaynehater101]

If you're writing fanon coffee obsessed Tim Drake, might I suggest:

[brucewaynehater101]

tim drake grew up with little to no supervision and a shitload of time, money, and ambition, so of course he has no sense of boundaries. for himself or others

[brucewaynehater101]

Tim is so easy to just give random children to

speaking of I saw a post saying that Damian and Jason were most likely to take after Bruce’s adoption tendencies and well yes I could see that, consider

Tim adopts everyone

either you are his lover,

sister

or child/grandchild

That random kid over there? Tim’s child

that 65 year old man? Tim’s child

every one but his partners and sisters?

his precious baby

See... Damian and Jason would take after Bruce's adoption in a more strict sense. Damian would adopt a bunch of animals, and Jason would adopt kids.

Tim, on the other hand, is out here adopting everyone he sees. Everyone is his kid now.

Honestly, not too far from good!Bruce Wayne characterizations where Bruce just tries to help out everyone he sees by providing jobs and healthcare for 'em.

[brucewaynehater101]

DC in a Witcher AU: Gotham's Royal Family

[Background stuff: Witchers are still being made at this time, and I've changed city names to match more DC names] @chiyana helped a ton with the set-up here. Many many thanks ^^

Bruce Wayne [Human] - King

At the age of 10, he became the king of Gotham. Due to his young age, he had a regent appointed. In order to protect himself, he developed an airheaded persona. Why would anyone bother assassinating what would become or is a puppet king?

Before he assumed ruling rights, he went on a "soul searching journey" where he trained with various warriors (including Witchers and the League of Shadows). When he returned, a bat-like creature also started to visit nobles and "evil-dooers." Bruce, who had learned from his parents' demise, could not tie all of his actions to his own as king. He needed an "uncontrollable third party" to limit retaliation against him or those who support him.

In this AU, he does kill. He despises it, but he needs to kill in order to maintain his position as king and protect his citizens. However, he is one of the very few human-run nations known to protect non-humans. This leads to him having a higher non-human population than most other human-run nations (though Starling Kingdom rivals this).

Dick Grayson [Part Elf] - Traveling Acrobat

During a banquet held by King Bruce Wayne, Dick's parents died. Bruce took young Dick in as a ward but was unable to adopt/officially claim his as heir due to political ramifications. Bruce was very new to his position and was still trying to weed out anti-elf (and anti-nonhuman) sentiments. Dick, who was nine, also did not want to replace his parents and did not understand the precise issues occurring.

Bruce wanted to protect Dick, but Dick was adamant about aiding Bruce in protecting elves. After Dick started getting into repeat fights in the capital (after sneaking out), Bruce finally trained Dick on combat and how to aid elves in a number of ways. This included smuggling, causing distractions, and directing them to people Bruce trusted.

Around when Dick turned eighteen, Bruce and him had a major fight. This was the culmination of misunderstandings, the pressures of being considered royals, Dick still not being officially adopted (which is/was a miscommunication), Dick's lifespan being naturally way longer than Bruce's, and other stuff. Dick left with his group of friends (Titans) to travel the continent. Nightwing, the traveling acrobat, just so happens to be in town where non-human injustices occur or at major ports for smuggling non-humans to Gotham or Star Kingdom

Jason Todd [Previously Human] - Witcher

King Bruce Wayne was enamored by the street kid daring to steal the wheels off of the King's carriage. The King took in and soon adopted this kid.

Much like the King's previous ward, Jason quickly started to get into trouble trying to help others out. He saw the way that nobles treated the poor and commoners. Jason was trained to fight, and he often ran to cities/towns around the capitol to ensure that they were being treated appropriately. He also visited non-human settlements to check on them and learn more from them.

At the age of fifteen, his mom reached out to Jason. Jason, who was fighting Bruce at the time, did not tell him about the letter. By the time Bruce learned about it, it was too late. Jason was presumed dead.

Jason, however, was taken in by the League of Shadows and underwent the Trial of Grasses. By the time he became a Witcher, he wasn't sure about seeing Bruce again. He decided to avoid the old man and continue doing what he's always done: travel around saving people where he can

Tim Drake [Human] - Count/Monster Hunter

Timothy Drake attended several banquets and ceremonies held by Bruce Wayne. It's during these events that he deduces that Bruce is not as dumb as he pretends to be, that the man is the bat creature, and that Dick Grayson assists Bruce in saving/aiding citizens. Tim keeps these realizations quiet.

When Jason "dies," Tim sees the ruthlessness of the bat-creature and how Bruce's airheaded persona is slipping. It is, unintentionally, causing harm to those Bruce and Jason worked to protect (especially due to people beginning to try more extreme measures to take out both the bat-creature and King Bruce). Tim travels the continent to find Dick to convince the man to help Bruce. Dick is very confused and concerned when he realizes this. Bruce thus gets a little noble child bullying him to be better.

Tim, with his current position as viscount, spies on nobles and infiltrates their lands. He basically establishes limits for Bruce, convinces the man to lean on others for support, and distracts him with helping others. Bruce sends Tim away to train with the same Witchers and warriors Bruce did (which Tim does, but he also ends up training with Lady Shiva)

Due to Tim not being officially tied to Bruce, Tim travels between his lands and Bruce's capital pretty frequently. What he doesn't tell Bruce is that he, and his group of friends, often hunt down monsters and/or travel around saving people. Tim is not needed at his estate as often as he leads Bruce to believe.

After Tim's parents die, Tim invents "Uncle Eddie" as regent. Uncle Eddie stays regent even after Tim gets adopted so Tim can rule those lands while being considered a royal heir. Tim uses his lands to help non-humans and humans (similar to Bruce but on a more direct and smaller scale).

It's during one of the monster contracts Tim picks up alone (which he does limit himself to smaller/easier monsters when alone. He knows, unfortunately, that he can't hunt certain creatures due to his human nature) that he meets a Witcher by the name of Jason.

Cass Wayne [Human] - First Princess

The LoS wanted a loyal assassin Witcher capable of reading intent via body language and intrinsicly knowing how to read chaos. They never taught her speech, but they rigorously trained her in preparation for the Trial of Grasses.

One of these trainings included killing humans. After her first kill, however, she disappeared. She was not found for eight more years.

By the time she's sixteen, she's constantly on the move, covered in dirt, and wearing whatever clothes she can find. Her eerie, inhuman like mannerisms and movements, along with her appearance, cause rumors to follow any sightings of her (despite how few these sightings are). When the Knight Commander of Gotham is saved by her, the man can't help but wonder if the bat-creature knows this new entity.

Bruce, upon hearing this account, seeks Cass out in his bat-creature gear. It doesn't take long before Gotham welcomes the First Princess and another bat-creature.

Damian al Ghul Wayne [Human] - Prince/Mage

Damian was created with the intent purpose of furthering the reach of the LoS, one day inheriting Bruce's kingdom, and being a powerful warrior. Talia, before she exchanged fertility for immortality, had Damian. She did not want nor need more children for her goals (though she does love her child and does not wish to replace him).

Ra's and Talia had hoped that Damian would be a strong warrior like Bruce and a powerful mage like Talia. They had wished that he would rival Ra's in potential. While Damian was a spectacular combatant for his age, his chaos was limited. Not only did he have access to less, but his specialties were *not* fighting. He was, in the LoS's eyes, mediocre at attack and defense skills.

Damian was instead extremely proficient in healing, much to Ra's disappointment.

Talia, after learning this, sent Damian to live with Bruce. With this, she hoped her son would be happy and able to inherit Gotham.

Damian's arrival caused immense turmoil for the nobles. Factions started to appear between those who valued blood ties to the throne and those who valued Tim's skills/upbringing in Gotham nobility.

[brucewaynehater101]

A quick guide to translating Bruce’s grunting (by Jason):

Singular grunt = hello/good morning/general acknowledgement of your existence 

Low, soft grunt = thinking/doing math mentally/too busy to acknowledge whatever you just said

Snort = I find whatever you just said amusing but I’m too manly to laugh

Grumpy morning grunt (generally made at doorway of kitchen) = I need coffee

Quiet hmm noise = someone messed up and this benefits me

Slightly louder hmm noise = I messed up and this definitely does not benefit me

Sharp exhale through nose = I’m injured but trying to hide it

Soft, extended exhale through nose = why do I have kids again

[brucewaynehater101]

Arguably, you could have hate crossovers:

Throwing your least favorite characters into another fandom just to watch them get everything they deserve and suffer

[brucewaynehater101]

I would love that so much. Have fun writing and feel free to reach out if ya want to bounce more ideas ^^

I need you to stop me from making another Tim Drake centric fic

I got this random idea that won’t leave me alone

like what if the emotional scars and trauma people have show up physically too most commonly as little cracks on the skin and all of the bats have them

they hide them tho with make up and stuff so people don’t question it except Tim hides them from everyone maybe bc that’s what his parents taught him to do maybe bc he just doesn’t want to burden any of the bats

the bats think that Tim is fine so to them he’s invincible which leads them to treat him as such subconsciously or otherwise especially Bruce

it takes a lot for something to be bad enough that they physically manifest and Tim has A LOT bc everyone thinks he’s invincible

:) it won’t leave me alone help me I beg of you

Hmm.... Let's add on, shall we? This is a very rad idea. You should definitely write a fic about it, but no pressure.

Mind if I explore it? Also, feel free to disregard any part below you don't want/disagree with. This is just brainstorming ^^

Alright. Emotional scars are a physical mark on someone's skin.

Similar to regular scars, they can fade as a person heals.

Some may never disappear, and some only appear for a short time.

What would their color be?

Would they look like actual cracks in a person (so black-ish in color)? Would they be gold or multi-colored (different colors represent different kinds of emotional traumas)?

The level of hurt inflicted is directly proportional to the size (length and width) of the scar.

Perhaps more could be deduced from the general shape (is it jagged? A single line? Branching?)

Not all people have these marks

Most of the population manifests them. There's some prejudice against folk who don't [something something they are heartless, incapable of feelings, not able to be emotionally hurt, cold, detached, etc.], but hiding scars is also common. Therefore, it's harder to discern whether someone is hiding their marks or markless. It's a very fine line, so most people allow a smaller mark to show every once in a while. There's even a few trends to proudly display all marks.

Marks appear at the time of the emotional harm

It may not be apparent at the time due to the location, but the individual being hurt will manifest the mark at the very moment of emotional harm.

Anyways, that's the background stuff. Fun, but let's get into Tim specifically ^^

Tim's parents are part of the few who believe that showing off your scars to anyone, even your loved ones, is both a weakness and a way to guilt-trip people. Therefore, through their archeology studies, they managed to obtain magical objects to prevent the showing of emotional marks. It's similar to glamor.

Tim's object can change forms to suit his needs (so a ring at one moment and an earring the next). This ability prevents the Bats from discovering it.

Janet fakes a very small mark on her hand when she wants to discourage any rumors that's she's incapable of manifesting marks. For Tim, though, his parents wanted him to have rumors of being incapable of forming marks. It served their purpose better for him being the cunning Drake heir.

The deception started from birth, so no one but the Drakes know of Tim's ability to form marks [and the Drake parents never see the marks they leave behind on their child].

The Waynes, long before Tim entered their life, were aware of these rumors. Thus, when Tim demands to become Robin, he doesn't correct their assumptions.

Bruce is a callous fucker to Tim at the start. If Tim can't be hurt emotionally, then Bruce's ill-treatment of him is fine (which is flawed logic. The markless can be emotionally hurt, and they still deserve kindness, dignity, and respect even if they couldn't. Bruce was mentally fucked up, but it doesn't excuse his treatment).

Eventually, Bruce comes to the second realization that Tim should still be treated well even if it doesn't hurt him regardless. The man's behavior is better, but he still has the notion in mind that Tim can't be emotionally hurt. He uses this for missions and to downplay the way his other kids treat Tim (specifically Jason and Damian when they first meet Tim).

Tim gets used to a rotation of insult-names: Robot Robin, heartless, markless (said insultingly), cold-blooded, unfeeling bastard, etc.

He's also subject to a TON of misunderstandings. People are more reluctant to love him due to the belief that he can't love them back. He gets yelled at and told off for "masking/faking his emotions" when he's actually being genuine.

Which adds to his hurt :)

He also has to pretend not to grieve his parents when they die :(

Due to how rare markless are, the Bats don't meet "another" one until after the BruceQuest. When they chat with this person, they realize how many misconceptions they have about them (such as the markless being incapable of feelings. In fact, they accidentally offend that person when they tell the other they don't need to fake their emotions in front of the Bats. Safe to say, the markless individual becomes incensed when they realize how they've been treating their own markless family member).

This would be at least four (probably closer to five) years after Tim first became Robin. The entire family has a meltdown.

Tim, on the other hand, is used to the treatment the Bats have been giving him and becomes incredibly uncomfortable with them trying to care for his feelings and whatnot. It's rocky for a long while as everyone tries to seek forgiveness for something Tim bitterly doesn't hold against them (he is lying to them after all).

Tim rarely, if ever, views his own marks. The last time he checked was when he was having his identity crisis after Robin was taken from him. His entire body, from head to toe, had cracks in it. There was a giant, gaping crack on his back for the metaphorical stab in the back it was.

And we haven't even gotten to when the Bats figure out Tim was never markless :)

[brucewaynehater101]

I love this AU/concept, so I'm excited for what you come up with 🖤

I need you to stop me from making another Tim Drake centric fic

I got this random idea that won’t leave me alone

like what if the emotional scars and trauma people have show up physically too most commonly as little cracks on the skin and all of the bats have them

they hide them tho with make up and stuff so people don’t question it except Tim hides them from everyone maybe bc that’s what his parents taught him to do maybe bc he just doesn’t want to burden any of the bats

the bats think that Tim is fine so to them he’s invincible which leads them to treat him as such subconsciously or otherwise especially Bruce

it takes a lot for something to be bad enough that they physically manifest and Tim has A LOT bc everyone thinks he’s invincible

:) it won’t leave me alone help me I beg of you

Hmm.... Let's add on, shall we? This is a very rad idea. You should definitely write a fic about it, but no pressure.

Mind if I explore it? Also, feel free to disregard any part below you don't want/disagree with. This is just brainstorming ^^

Alright. Emotional scars are a physical mark on someone's skin.

Similar to regular scars, they can fade as a person heals.

Some may never disappear, and some only appear for a short time.

What would their color be?

Would they look like actual cracks in a person (so black-ish in color)? Would they be gold or multi-colored (different colors represent different kinds of emotional traumas)?

The level of hurt inflicted is directly proportional to the size (length and width) of the scar.

Perhaps more could be deduced from the general shape (is it jagged? A single line? Branching?)

Not all people have these marks

Most of the population manifests them. There's some prejudice against folk who don't [something something they are heartless, incapable of feelings, not able to be emotionally hurt, cold, detached, etc.], but hiding scars is also common. Therefore, it's harder to discern whether someone is hiding their marks or markless. It's a very fine line, so most people allow a smaller mark to show every once in a while. There's even a few trends to proudly display all marks.

Marks appear at the time of the emotional harm

It may not be apparent at the time due to the location, but the individual being hurt will manifest the mark at the very moment of emotional harm.

Anyways, that's the background stuff. Fun, but let's get into Tim specifically ^^

Tim's parents are part of the few who believe that showing off your scars to anyone, even your loved ones, is both a weakness and a way to guilt-trip people. Therefore, through their archeology studies, they managed to obtain magical objects to prevent the showing of emotional marks. It's similar to glamor.

Tim's object can change forms to suit his needs (so a ring at one moment and an earring the next). This ability prevents the Bats from discovering it.

Janet fakes a very small mark on her hand when she wants to discourage any rumors that's she's incapable of manifesting marks. For Tim, though, his parents wanted him to have rumors of being incapable of forming marks. It served their purpose better for him being the cunning Drake heir.

The deception started from birth, so no one but the Drakes know of Tim's ability to form marks [and the Drake parents never see the marks they leave behind on their child].

The Waynes, long before Tim entered their life, were aware of these rumors. Thus, when Tim demands to become Robin, he doesn't correct their assumptions.

Bruce is a callous fucker to Tim at the start. If Tim can't be hurt emotionally, then Bruce's ill-treatment of him is fine (which is flawed logic. The markless can be emotionally hurt, and they still deserve kindness, dignity, and respect even if they couldn't. Bruce was mentally fucked up, but it doesn't excuse his treatment).

Eventually, Bruce comes to the second realization that Tim should still be treated well even if it doesn't hurt him regardless. The man's behavior is better, but he still has the notion in mind that Tim can't be emotionally hurt. He uses this for missions and to downplay the way his other kids treat Tim (specifically Jason and Damian when they first meet Tim).

Tim gets used to a rotation of insult-names: Robot Robin, heartless, markless (said insultingly), cold-blooded, unfeeling bastard, etc.

He's also subject to a TON of misunderstandings. People are more reluctant to love him due to the belief that he can't love them back. He gets yelled at and told off for "masking/faking his emotions" when he's actually being genuine.

Which adds to his hurt :)

He also has to pretend not to grieve his parents when they die :(

Due to how rare markless are, the Bats don't meet "another" one until after the BruceQuest. When they chat with this person, they realize how many misconceptions they have about them (such as the markless being incapable of feelings. In fact, they accidentally offend that person when they tell the other they don't need to fake their emotions in front of the Bats. Safe to say, the markless individual becomes incensed when they realize how they've been treating their own markless family member).

This would be at least four (probably closer to five) years after Tim first became Robin. The entire family has a meltdown.

Tim, on the other hand, is used to the treatment the Bats have been giving him and becomes incredibly uncomfortable with them trying to care for his feelings and whatnot. It's rocky for a long while as everyone tries to seek forgiveness for something Tim bitterly doesn't hold against them (he is lying to them after all).

Tim rarely, if ever, views his own marks. The last time he checked was when he was having his identity crisis after Robin was taken from him. His entire body, from head to toe, had cracks in it. There was a giant, gaping crack on his back for the metaphorical stab in the back it was.

And we haven't even gotten to when the Bats figure out Tim was never markless :)

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I’d love to see more of the Emotional Marks AU. I want to see the reveal and the Bats having the realization that just because they’re doing better /now/, it doesn’t fix the damage they did before. And that they can’t force things to heal. Healing takes time.

Post being mentioned is here

What I'm curious about is if it's a human only thing or if others (like Kyrptonians, Martians, Atlanteans, etc.) also get marks.

Anyways, here's some more stuff I thought of. As always, take as little or as much as you'd like of it ^^

Tim never takes off the object hiding his marks, even for himself. It's part habit and part desperation to never see how much his loved ones have actually hurt him.

He's unique in that he isn't sure where most of his marks come from. People usually see the marks within 24 hours of their appearance. Tim has gone years between seeing his own marked skin.

As I've stated before, the object works like glamor. Therefore, those with enough magic power would be able to see past it. This is part of why Tim wanted pants for the Robin uniform (any magicians working with Robin would see the moment they saw any of Tim's bare skin). Tim is very lucky the marks on his face only appeared a bit before he became Red Robin (and part of his reason for the cowl).

Marks typically stay away from the face. They only appear there if symbolically significant or if the marks are running out of space elsewhere on the body. Bart and Kon dying really did a number on Tim even though it wasn't their fault.

YJ and Dick have helped soothe some of the marks left behind by the Drakes (and Bruce too if you want good dad Bruce). Quite a bit have even fully disappeared due to them.

Tim still collected them like Halloween candy, though.

Major marks and their placement [though feel free to offer different ideas]:

Bruce calling Tim "Jason" - x on the back of neck

16th birthday - Major gash on right temple hidden by hair

Janet dying - splintering cracks along hand (bigger version of the one Janet fakes)

Jack coma then death - line in left calf then up to mid back of thigh

Bart dying - right side from under armpit to end of ribs gash

Kon dying - giant oval over sternum

Jason's TT attack - left foot/ankle cracks

Damian's attacks - stomach area

Losing Robin - largest slash diagonal across back (left shoulder to right hip)

There's more marks, but the ones on his face are caused by people not believing in him [this is not a "they should have" argument. It would have hurt regardless of what they should have done]

Hmm... So, the reveal? I'm thinking a magician. This would be after Tim switches back to just a mask and no cowl. His face marks would be on display for magicians but no one else. He, wrongly, assumed he'd be fine.

He's playing nice with the Bats at this point, even if he doesn't fully trust them. He loves them and wants to keep the peace. He'd never voluntarily show them his marks or tell them about it.

The Bats are being nicer under the idea that their assumptions about markless were incorrect. It weirds Tim out and usually has him ghosting them for a few days if they try to initiate feeling conversations with him. He kind of wishes they would just go back to normal.

It's a few months of this behavior before some magician makes a remark about Tim's facial marks. Something along the lines of, "You okay, Red? You're aware of how dangerous it is for marks to progress as far as the face, right?"

Cause what happens when there's no more room for marks? Drastic decrease in physical health. Could lead to death.

The Bats overhear and promptly freak the fuck out again.

Tim, who has been dealing with their bullshit for the last few months and doesn't want to deal with the confrontation, disappears. He's waiting for them to process their shit before returning [he loves them but does not want to be caught in that fucking whirlwind. Bats notoriously do not handle emotions well]

[brucewaynehater101]

okay so in freaky Friday situations my brother and I always bring up the same four questions, so in the Bruce Tim swap

Do they know all the people in the others life?

what happens if someone tries to flirt with them well flipped

bathroom

why don’t they tell some people

do they learn anything really or did they just live in the others shoes

Hmm....

Do they know everybody in each other's lives??

Imma say no. Tim "what the fuck is adult supervision" Drake and Bruce "is at least two decades older" Wayne may both stalk the other, but they're also excellent at hiding shit from people. The best scenario for this is Bruce and Tim separately knowing the same person without knowing the other person knows them (and all the shenanigans that would cause).

Flirting while flipped

Hella uncomfortable for both of them due to the age gaps. However, you could have a hurt/comfort here where some creepy older person tries to flirt with Tim while Bruce is stuck in his body.

Bathroom

I'm not sure how uncomfortable this would be for the Bats in general. I presume they have seen each other in states of undress for injury purposes or just getting ready. It's not great, but probably less awkward than it would be for others? Highly debatable

Why would they not tell others?

Stubbornness, paranoia, pride, circumstances/inability [tons that can fall under this], or fear

Do they learn anything from switching bodies?

For sure. Someone can *describe* their experience, but it's never quite the same as *living* it. Keep in mind, however, that experiences shape perspective as much as actual perception. An interesting contrast would be then switching bodies and the other not being able to understand the other *even more.*

For example [not canon compliant]: Bruce, in Tim's body, feels the intense physical discomfort and anger whenever someone commands him to do something. Bruce doesn't understand why Tim wouldn't speak up about this or react as his body is telling him to. Tim, who's experienced his parents lecturing him many times for being angry, can not bring himself to express these emotions/feelings.

Intriguing questions ^^ Thank you ~

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