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[brucewaynehater101]

Hello!!!

I'm really confused with the Red Robin Jason. Could you help me out? I know that on one story Tim takes the name because on one alternative universe Jason has his hero name as Red Robin.

But I'm confuse on our own word time line to who the name was first. Like did he existed before Red Robin Tim or is it a alternative story?

Hii!!!

In Red Robin 1, we have this panel:

"I chose this costume because I knew I'd be crossing lines--so nothing would come back to Bruce or Dick. I chose this costume because it was already tarnished... and I wasn't coming here to play."

"And everywhere I go, there are distractions."

From this, we see that Red Robin did exist before Tim became Red Robin. In fact, its "tarnished" reputation played a role in why he chose that mantle to begin with.

So... Where did Tim get the mantle from?

In Countdown to Final Crisis 14 (2008), there's this:

"This was his-"

"Yes, Jason. It was yours. I wanted you properly equipped. To fight the war as you grew older. But you were taken from me before you got a chance to try it on."

"Hey, Batman. Let's not get confused. I'm right here."

"Yes, chum. Yes you are... Red Robin lives!"

"Red...?"

Now... what the fuck are they talking about? When did Bruce make this costume?

This is actually an alternative universe Bruce talking about *his* Jason's costume that he made and then gave to main continuity Jason.

There's actually a bit of fun to be had with the previous issue #15 (like an actual countdown, the issues are numbered backwards).

In that issue:

"Where's Robin, for that matter? You do have a partner, don't you?"

"Long gone. All of them. And it's better that way. No distractions. No keeping up appearances. I'm The Batman. End of story."

"I'm guessing your Jason was killed by the Joker, too?"

"... Yes. It was the turning point for me. It opened my eyes. There was only one sane response...

... So I killed the Joker. The others thought I'd gone too far, of course, but I wasn't just taking revenge."

He proceeds to explain how he murdered all his rogues :)

And then, when Jason is shocked by this news, Bruce responds with: "You look surprised. What did your Batman do when you died?"

And then just keeps going as if it's irrelevant. Like, "Yeah. Of course, I murdered the Joker and that then turned me into a mass murderer after my Jason died. Obviously. What else would I do?"

Overall....

Tim got his costume from Jason who got it from an alternative universe Bruce who made it for alt!Jason.

Yay for comic simplicity :D

Hopefully that helped!

[brucewaynehater101]

So uhh... How would we feel about a Minecraft Batfam AU?

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Bruce comes back from the dead and wants to make things better. Bruce comes back from the dead and Tim was the one who brought him back, so it's obviously Tim who'll know best how to help him reconnect with everyone.

It's Tim who should give him advice on how to bond with Dick. Dick has always been his idol, after all. Tim would know best how to bring him back, and he does. He gives good advice and the two of them begin to get closer.

So Bruce asks about Jason, too. Asks about how to bring his son back into the fold and Tim wished for a brief and brutal moment that it weren't so obvious who the favorite was.

Tim told Bruce to give Jason his space, to loosen his rules, and make it clear that no matter what the Red Hood did, no matter what the Batman believed in, Jason was always welcome. Bruce would always want him.

It worked. Bruce wasn't surprised. Tim was a special sort of bitter.

Bruce asked again for Damian and Tim had to push down his anger. "That boy tried to kill me," Tim wanted to say. "I hate him and I want you to hate him too so that I can remember a time when we had something in common," Tim didn't say, but he got close.

He instead told Bruce how Damian liked art and animals and loved hearing stories of the wonders of Batman.

He told Bruce just how much Damian loved being Robin. Told Bruce to tell Damian what a good Robin he was.

God bless or maybe damn him, but he did and it worked and Tim wanted to start screaming and clawing at something because that would have never worked if Tim tried it and it wouldn't have stopped Damian from cutting his line--something Bruce did not and would never know about.

Bruce asked about Babs. How should he make sure she knew that she was a part of the family? They they loved her and not just for the work she did?

He asked about Steph. How should he make sure she knew that she was more important than his rules and that, if something else should go wrong, she didn't need to run away?

He asked about Duke. He never got the chance to get to know him before leaving--not as well as he wanted to, at least. How should he let him know that he was just as much a son as everyone else? That, whether or not his parents woke up, he'd always be welcome?

He asked about Cass. How should he show her that he loves her even though he has nothing to teach her? How can he convey how much he cares about her, his first daughter?

Bruce gets brought back from time and he makes things better. He brings his family back together by following Tim's advice.

And Tim?

Tim brings his dad back from the dead and Bruce changes, becomes a better father.

Bruce changes, but not everything can.

That, Tim thinks, is why Bruce never calls Tim his son.

[brucewaynehater101]

Unpopular opinion:

I am WEAK for Cain and Abel references in regards to Jason and Tim.

[brucewaynehater101]

More from this AU, you say?

Alright.

[Fair warning: This is an AU and is mostly Tim's perspective]

Tim brought Bruce back. His mentor, his father, is alive and home. Everyone had their doubts (even Tim himself), but there is nothing that teen can't do when he sets his mind to it. Even if it's impossible or denies all logic.

Tim always finds away, even at great costs to himself.

And it did cost him.

It cost him his relationships, an organ, his immune system, a great deal of trauma, his ability to trust, practically his sanity, and the ire of a dangerous assassin leader. It cost him Robin.

Tim is the world's greatest detective (minus that chimpanzee), and it nearly cost him everything.

But Bruce is back now. That didn't really change anything, admittedly. It didn't give him back his spleen, it didn't heal his relationships, and he didn't get Robin back. They have all changed. This experience has morphed them, for better or worse.

Things are... awkward, to say the least.

He loves them, gods does he love them all, but gods does it ache to speak to them.

Bruce is different. Tim can't imagine what his slingshots through time have done to the man (though his gaunt form says a bit). It's an experience Tim doubts anyone else can even relate to. It's given Bruce new triggers and reactions that Tim has to learn how to navigate. He hasn't had to study the man so intensely since he became Robin.

At the same time, Bruce is more... caring? Family-oriented? The teen is not sure how to describe it, but Bruce is trying more. Trying to understand his children and connect with them.

So he keeps asking Tim what to do. How can he shoulder some of Dick's pain? How does he tell Jason he loves him? What can he do for Steph? Is Barbara supported enough? What can he do for Damian outside of Robin?

Tim helps. Of course, Tim helps. It gives him a direction. It gives him a purpose. He will never not help Bruce.

And he uses it to avoid Bruce's inquiries about Tim. Luckily, Bruce doesn't notice with all the chaos of his other relationships and his efforts to get back into Batman.

Dick... It's painful. It's so gods damned painful.

He loves his brother. He understands the choices he made. He forgives him.

It's just... it's hard to get back into their dynamic. While Tim can logic the decisions, that doesn't change their impact and harm.

It's just easier at this point to maintain some distantance. He misses his brother, but he doesn't know how to deal with his pain quite yet.

With Damian... It's better. Better than where they started.

Yet, they fight. Constantly. The fissures in their relationship and the harm they've caused each other are a barrier that Tim's not sure how to navigate. It doesn't help that Damian is uncertain about his permanency in the family. He feels threatened by Tim and doesn't have trust in Bruce to keep him around (since they haven't built that yet).

This causes harsh remarks and physical fights to break out. Tim finds himself snapping back and retaliating when he shouldn't. He finds himself responding in cruel and mean ways.

So, he maintains his distance from him as well.

Alfred... He gave Damian the Robin suit. Tim's not sure how to accept that betrayal.

Tim avoids the Manor as much as possible. It's lonely, but it's better than hanging around the place hoping to fix his relationships.

He's adrift stumbling in the darkness of his own misery as he tries to throw himself recklessly into the world's problems in an attempt to avoid his own. It remains this way for two years.

Tim is nineteen when he finds a light.

At first, it's a spark. Tim is maybe slightly delirious as he's recovering from blood loss, and maybe he hasn't been sleeping enough. If he cared enough about his health, he certainly wouldn't be patrolling.

But crime in Gotham doesn't rest and Tim can't stand the walls of his apartment.

He wouldn't say he was stumbling through that alley, but he certainly wasn't steady on his feet. It's there he meets this kid. This kind, brazen kid running from some cops.

There's this 'oh shit' expression on his face when he sees Red Robin in the alley he ducks into. He seems to calculate his options for a moment before he dives behind a dumpster right before the cops come around the corner.

Tim... he doesn't know why, but he lies. He tells the cops that he didn't see whomever they were looking for.

After they leave, the kid peeks out from behind the dumpster.

"Why'd you cover for me?"

"Why did you hide if you thought I was going to turn you in?"

It's the only response Tim really has.

The kid doesn't have an answer either.

When Red Robin clutches his head at a sudden onslaught of dizziness, he's surprised when the kid starts berating him. He cusses out the vigilante for being out when unwell.

And Tim?

He laughs.

It's not the huff of air or snort he usually gives these days. It's a full chuckle at the way the fourteen year old criticizes him with visible concern. The same fourteen year old who had caused enough trouble to get five cops to chase.

Tim didn't know he could laugh like that again.

So he does the only logical thing and buys the kid a Batburger.

As they're both eating their meals, they talk. They talk about Duke's missing parents, about no one helping him, and about how the homes he places into aren't bad but they are preventing him from searching for them.

Tim promises to help.

The kid doesn't believe him, can't with how many people have said the same sentiment falsely, but there's a small bit of hope in those tawny eyes.

After that promise and ensuring that Duke's next placement is safe, Tim leaves the kid with his social worker.

Duke runs away within three days.

This is what makes Tim realize that he has to involve Duke in the investigation. He can't just hand the kid the solved solution, or he'll keep leaving in the meantime. It goes against what Tim does, the isolation and self-dependency he relies on, but he'll do it. If it keeps Duke safe, Tim will do it.

As Tim comes to learn, Duke is undeniably intelligent. He's a naturally born detective who's extremely capable of solving puzzles. In a few years, with the right training, the kid may even rival Tim for the World's Best Detective title (minus that chimpanzee).

The kid also reminds the older teen of a fire. Duke is the candlelight to navigate in the dark, the warmth of a hearth, and the chaos of blaze. Even though he's desperately searching for his parents, he still helps and cheers up those around him. He aids anyone in need, is a comforting presence, and viciously protects people in danger.

It's not long before the meetings for the investigation morph into detective lessons and then morph into fighting drills. It's not long before Tim realizes he's training a protege, however unintentional at first.

And that damn kid keeps bringing a smile to Tim's face, bullies him into sleeping, and ensures Tim is actually taking care before jumping into fights. After all, what role model would Tim be if he shows Duke it's alright to patrol severely injured?

Alright alright.

This post combined with the "Tim was Duke's Robin growing up."

Add that with the "Duke becomes a Robin-like protege to Tim helping anchor an adrift RR" au.

What do we get?

Tim calmly and patiently working with Duke, particularly with his powers.

The two of them causing chaos and showing each other their tricks to circumvent blame/suspicion.

Tim slightly dissociating as he's showing Duke a move Bruce once showed him. Duke's cursed fumbling bringing him back to the present.

Tim trying to channel his inner Dick Grayson as he supports Duke despite his mixed feelings about it. Tim slipping up and referring to Duke as Dick used to refer to him: "baby bird."

Duke freezing.

Tim internally panicking (and quite a bit externally) as he apologizes.

Duke uncharacteristically hesitant as he allows Tim to call him by that endearment.

This brings them closer together (pretty much family) while painfully healing some of their hurts

[brucewaynehater101]

Thinking about the person who said that Tim and Damian's stories are so tragic when compared to eachother because Damian got to learn that he wasn't a tool and all Tim ever got was confirmation that he was

So, I'm imagining a one-shot were Tim walks in on Bruce telling Damian that he'd do anything to make sure he could trust him and just absolutely LOSES it

Because when Tim was Robin, Bruce went out of his way to MAKE SURE Tim didn't trust him, and now he's going out of his way to make sure Damian does? What the FUCK! What happened to "I'll never trust you again" "Good" !??? What happened to making sure everyone has the same amount of trust issues as you???

Bonus points if Alfred catches some strays because it isn't often that he deserves that and this is one of those rare moments where he definitely DOES.

If Alfred ever DESERVES to catch strays, it's gotta be for Jason's Memorial Plaque (a good soldier??? Fuck you, Alfred!) And Tim's 16th birthday. And I *love* 16th birthday related angst.

I want to see Tim lose his cool in a way none of them have ever seen, I want him to scream and cry and throw stuff and then run away, I need it to be BAD

Tl;dr- I wanna see Bruce give Damian things he refused to give Tim and I want Tim to be rightfully upset about it

[brucewaynehater101]

Alright alright.

This post combined with the "Tim was Duke's Robin growing up."

Add that with the "Duke becomes a Robin-like protege to Tim helping anchor an adrift RR" au.

What do we get?

Tim calmly and patiently working with Duke, particularly with his powers.

The two of them causing chaos and showing each other their tricks to circumvent blame/suspicion.

Tim slightly dissociating as he's showing Duke a move Bruce once showed him. Duke's cursed fumbling bringing him back to the present.

Tim trying to channel his inner Dick Grayson as he supports Duke despite his mixed feelings about it. Tim slipping up and referring to Duke as Dick used to refer to him: "baby bird."

Duke freezing.

Tim internally panicking (and quite a bit externally) as he apologizes.

Duke uncharacteristically hesitant as he allows Tim to call him by that endearment.

This brings them closer together (pretty much family) while painfully healing some of their hurts

[brucewaynehater101]

Elaine’s nickname for Duke was baby bird btw

[brucewaynehater101]

Hey! I’ve been following along with your content for around a year now and i finally worked up the courage to submit an ask!

I just wanted to say i think you are so unbelievably talented and creative! I love opening up tumblr after a long day and seeing such thought provoking posts about my favorite dc characters.

I also want to say that i think your writing is beautiful. It carries so much thought and meaning while also allowing for direct introspection into the character’s psyche.

Thank you again for inspiring me (ˆ▽ˆ) ✮

Imma cry, this is so nice.

Scratch that. I am crying. Happy tears, though, so no worries.

Thank you 🖤 I enjoy writing posts in general (the mental process of figuring out everything and conveying it), but everyone's reactions to them are dear to me. I particularly adore angst for that reason.

Overall, I appreciate y'all. The kindness, the interactions, the way people take ideas and carry them further or morph them into their own...

I don't know if I can convey just how thankful I am to everyone (how thankful I am to you specifically for bothering to write such a heartfelt and meaningful message).

But I'll say it anyways: "Thank you all for the joy, reassurance, laughter, and responses. I hope I leave with y'all even a fraction of the smiles y'all have given me."

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Some more Jason please enjoy the crumbs

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The angst both fuels and harms me.

If you change the past, you change them. Tim will always love his family, no matter who they are or who they become.

Yet...

The guilt, uncertainty, pain, remorse, and love he feels as he looks upon people he once intrinsically knew. The people he, presumably without their consent, changed.

And for Tim if he travels before his time as Robin, the absolutely burn in his heart and soul as these loved ones look upon him as they would a stranger... That would nearly damn kill him. Their distrust, the layers he now has to peel back, the slow process of them learning him again, and watching them become what they never were.

Fuck.

Hey. I need more of that soul crushing time travel fix-it angst, so here ya go:

~~~

Tim doesn't regret it.

They're happy. They're content and okay in a way Tim hasn't felt in a long time. It's not perfect, but they're alright.

Alfred's hands don't shake at the sound of broken glass and there isn't an abundance of scar tissue on Damian's body.

Bruce doesn't become cold and emotionless suddenly, and no harsh bitter laughs errupt from Jason.

Knocks on her door don't frighten Barbara, and Steph doesn't flinch at the sound of heart monitors.

Dick's gaze doesn't grow distant at the sight of rain, and Cass doesn't fight until she drops.

They laugh more freely and smile more openly. There's more impromptu pillow fights, dance parties, harmless pranks, and hangouts.

Fuck. They talk. They actually fucking talk to each other about their issues and their problems. They rely on each other and reach out when they are struggling.

It's... Tim doesn't have to fight and wheedle and manipulate them into accepting his aid.

They're happier this way. Less weighed down.

So he doesn't regret it.

But hell. Fucking hell. He misses them.

It's not like they don't talk. He interacts with them and hugs them. He's even able to tell them how much he loves and cares about them. He sees them nearly every day.

But it's not... They're not...

He aches for Dick's understanding look and support when he shies from touch.

It hurts when he makes dry comments about the trauma and Jason offers comfort instead of that startled bark of laughter.

He misses the silent glances Bruce would send when the older man was confused in a social situation.

There's that all-consuming yearning for Cass to already understand why Tim feels the way he does without him explaining it to her once more.

Damian doesn't pester him into "battles to death" as a form of bonding.

Tim wants the reassurance again that Barbara is always watching and hypervigilant of both the family and their enemies.

Gods, he longs for those monthly nights of tea where he and Alfred review their notes on how each family member is doing and what they've been doing to support them.

Steph doesn't point out every single brick they come across with a cocky and fond grin.

Fuck.

They're right there. They're right in front of him.

And they're doing so much better. They practically glow without all that used to haunt them.

He should be glad about that. He should just enjoy the fruits of his labor and bask in the feeling of relief.

He shouldn't feel so empty, so alone whenever they react differently than he's used to. There shouldn't be this disconnect and sense of strangeness.

They're better off for it.

It's better for them.

Tim doesn't regret it.

He knew what he was doing when he chose to change everything.

But fuck does he miss his family.

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Hey. I need more of that soul crushing time travel fix-it angst, so here ya go:

~~~

Tim doesn't regret it.

They're happy. They're content and okay in a way Tim hasn't felt in a long time. It's not perfect, but they're alright.

Alfred's hands don't shake at the sound of broken glass and there isn't an abundance of scar tissue on Damian's body.

Bruce doesn't become cold and emotionless suddenly, and no harsh bitter laughs errupt from Jason.

Knocks on her door don't frighten Barbara, and Steph doesn't flinch at the sound of heart monitors.

Dick's gaze doesn't grow distant at the sight of rain, and Cass doesn't fight until she drops.

They laugh more freely and smile more openly. There's more impromptu pillow fights, dance parties, harmless pranks, and hangouts.

Fuck. They talk. They actually fucking talk to each other about their issues and their problems. They rely on each other and reach out when they are struggling.

It's... Tim doesn't have to fight and wheedle and manipulate them into accepting his aid.

They're happier this way. Less weighed down.

So he doesn't regret it.

But hell. Fucking hell. He misses them.

It's not like they don't talk. He interacts with them and hugs them. He's even able to tell them how much he loves and cares about them. He sees them nearly every day.

But it's not... They're not...

He aches for Dick's understanding look and support when he shies from touch.

It hurts when he makes dry comments about the trauma and Jason offers comfort instead of that startled bark of laughter.

He misses the silent glances Bruce would send when the older man was confused in a social situation.

There's that all-consuming yearning for Cass to already understand why Tim feels the way he does without him explaining it to her once more.

Damian doesn't pester him into "battles to death" as a form of bonding.

Tim wants the reassurance again that Barbara is always watching and hypervigilant of both the family and their enemies.

Gods, he longs for those monthly nights of tea where he and Alfred review their notes on how each family member is doing and what they've been doing to support them.

Steph doesn't point out every single brick they come across with a cocky and fond grin.

Fuck.

They're right there. They're right in front of him.

And they're doing so much better. They practically glow without all that used to haunt them.

He should be glad about that. He should just enjoy the fruits of his labor and bask in the feeling of relief.

He shouldn't feel so empty, so alone whenever they react differently than he's used to. There shouldn't be this disconnect and sense of strangeness.

They're better off for it.

It's better for them.

Tim doesn't regret it.

He knew what he was doing when he chose to change everything.

But fuck does he miss his family.

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Batfam MHA AU:

[Fair warning, idk how the hero system is setup in America for MHA. Also, this includes Metropolis and Gotham, so it'd probably be different anyways]

Most of the world has quirks (superpowers). This is not different for America. The hero system in this AU ranks heroes by county, state, and then nationally. There are also city ranked heroes as well for the more populated cities.

Gotham is the only major city without any government-based heroes. This is due to the heavy amount of corruption, crime, and overall just everything that Gotham is.

Gotham instead has vigilantes (because, again, corruption. No one fighting crime and corruption would want a government-based heroes agency to know their identity).

The Waynes usually have a small quirk. If they don't have a quirk, they fake one:

Bruce - small quirk where his face can't be permanently injured

Dick - able to recreate/cook any food he's eaten

Jason - Able to recite any book he's read after only reading it once

Cass - faked empath/emotions reading

Tim - faked intelligence quirk

Damian - vet like quirk

Alfred - butler/house managing quirk

Steph - always knows weather forecast up to 24hr

Barbara - very small sight based quirk

Duke has his canon powers

None of the Waynes have combat based quirks (besides Duke). It's also unknown publicly what quirks the Bats have, leading to many bets and guesses.

The JL is actually an independent international group that does not have ties to any government (in hopes of limiting corruption/tyranny). They primarily work with or are consisted of vigilantes/independent heroes.

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About the war in Tim ruler of worlds au.

What if they used robots?

There wouldn’t be a need of putting citizens in danger, and would be easy to command.

Especially if we’re taking inspiration from StarWars, in episode 1(2,3?) the empire uses robots to fight the Jedi.

C4 could have something similar to those but more advanced and smart.

But then there’s the ���Can they be hacked?’ problem.

If they can be hacked ‘Would it be a big problem?’ Which I think it’s going to depend on if they are controlled from a certain location or if they are independently programmed.

(English is not my first language so sorry for any grammar mistakes.)

Been a bit, so let me do a quick summary:

Tim accidentally becomes the ruler of a bunch of planets that love and adore his leadership. He does this with YJ's support. A previous ask pondered about war and how this might affect Tim (especially as a "no kill" Bat).

Hmm... Robots, eh? Let's chat about feasibility ^^

I personally think Tim would have a similar mindset about war as I do: "It should only be used as a last resort to protect/defend/save people and their rights (particulary their rights to live, eat, shelter, and self-autonomy)."

Therefore, I find it unlikely that the group Tim goes to war against has the ability and/or is willing to engage in completely robot warfare. On the other hand, Tim would have no issues with sending in robots instead of his own people.

There is also the option for robot fighting to be used as a form of negotiation. For instance, Tim and the unnamed opposing nation both want a newly discovered and unclaimed resource. Compromise isn't working, so they bet their robots' capabilities instead (kind of imaging Real Steel for what the fights look like).

As far as hacking, it depends on the scenario. On a battlefield, it's a legit form of offense. Basically, if your robots get hacked, then that's your loss for not preparing adequately against it. In a match, it depends on the rules of engagement.

The only issues with hacking that I can see are if the enemy hacks the robots to then use them to murder people. Be a bit of a yikes there.

Now, a separate issue would be sentience in robots. We got Red Tornado and other forms of sentient technology in DC. Obviously, robots with sentience dying would defeat the purpose of using robots in the first place.

Hmmm.... Could be an interesting plot point where Bart and Tim are creating robots for their robot army, accidentally create artificial intelligence, and thus have to figure out with Kon and Cassie how to write android rights into their law.

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For the whole Red Robin’s log thing can you make a post with all the made logs so far?

Of course 🫡

Here are R. Robin's Lazarus Pit Research Logs:

Logs 1 & 2

Logs 3 & 4

Logs 5 & 6

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Log 5-

I needed magical items or components for my next round of testing…Although it might have been easier to contact J. Constantine it might have made my…searches more accessible to the bat I doubt Constantine would “snitch” on me I also doubt that he would stay sober long enough to keep a secret, due to his connections to Batman it was less risky to avoid him. Which lead me to contacting Klarion, I’ve interacted with once or twice he was harder to convince but after light discussion he agreed to aiding me in my testing…after this round of testing I will begin working with pru in order to ether get me into contact with Talia or ras Al Ghul or to give me the ability to have access to pits for…more insightful testing

R.Robin

Log 6 -

Klarion has off-handedly referred to the Pits as "dirty," "convoluted," and not too dissimilar to the magic equivalent of an invasive species. His personal feelings on the waters vary between its potential for chaos and the affront it is to magic. I am curious how different magic users, particularly of life and death specialties, would characterize or define the Lazarus Pits.

When Pru contacted the al Ghul's, I had hoped my correspondence would be with Talia. Instead, Ra's al Ghul seems... eager to assist my studies. He has provided a small sample and various research documents. While I feel that he has more data, he seems keen to compulse me to make my own observations.

He has even offered supervised, limited, in-person access to a pit for my experiments. He's being unusually helpful, stating that he only wants the results of my findings. I can't help but wonder what the true cost of his involvement will be. I only have so many organs.

R. Robin

Previous logs

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Stop acting like Talia hates Ra’s or that Ra’s doesn’t care about Talia. Their relationship is EXTREMELY complex and they both love each other.

Ra’s is the definition of a loving but cold father because he thinks it’s what benefits his child. He’s equivalent to the parent who throws their child into too many extra curricular activities and pushes them for good grades and perfection because he wants them to have a good future. It’s not right, yes, but it’s human. It’s just exaggerated because of the nature of comics.

Talia has worked against her father multiple times, and ideally would stay doing so, but she still understands her father’s perspective and why he does what he does. She agrees with his cause, she doesn’t agree with his methods. And despite that, she still comes back when he’s in danger because she loves him. Talia was able to resist her sister’s brainwashing when she was ordered to kill him because of her love and loyalty to him.

Talia knows her father’s not a good man, but she can’t help but love him because it really wasn’t all bad (early Ra’s was very much a single girl dad trying to make his princess happy by setting up dates with the weird bat freak she’s into) and she understands why he is how he is and she knows he loves her. Their relationship isn’t healthy, but it is loving and that’s an extremely important aspect, because without that love, Talia would be a completely different person and Ra’s would have little interest in Bruce in the first place.