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My original reaction to Poseidon's bit where he says "I'll take your son and gouge his eyes" etc etc was along the lines of "that seems a bit unnecessary, what did Telemachus do" and then I went wait, that was exactly what Odysseus did
It took me a bit too long to realize that that line was essentially implying Poseidon returning the favour, an eye for an eye
#or a son's vision for a son's vision#but that doesn’t flow as nicely so we're going with the hammurabi's code version#anyways. listen to the vengeance saga#it's fun and nothing bad happens#epic the musical#epic the vengeance saga
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well anniflamma may have too much dignity to draw poseidon getting backshots but I sure dont. here we go
EDIT: my pizza hands got slapped so now its up on blusky thank u
#my art#tw suggestive#no dicks under the cut. in case there was fear of that.#anyway vengeance saga good#this pose was awkward to draw and i redrew it many times. i shouldve done a more classic pose#but i wanted to see poseidon's inner thigh.listen#listen. listen. its been a day#manwhore au#epic the musical
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love watching odysseus fluctuate violently between suicidal depression and all-consuming homicidal fury like look at him go
#me listening to the vengance saga like 😮#that was. a lot#i have reactions if anyone wants them. my notes app is FULL#anyway i need a nap happy Halloween everyone#go watch “its the great pumpkin charlie brown” and be happy#odysseus#the odyssey#epic the musical#greek mythology#tagamemnon#odypen#the vengeance saga#epic the vengeance saga#jay rivera herrans#spotify#the void speaks
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NOT THE EMPTY PAUSE IN DANGEROUS’S REPRISE OF FULL SPEED AHEAD WHERE HIS CREW ORIGINALLY SANG
#oh and if you’ve listened to Full Speed Ahead enough times#they’re not just haunting the narrative they’re haunting You Too#sorry i’ve only just now had the time to listen to the vengeance saga#anyway i am going to punch a wall over this oh my god#epic the vengeance saga#epic the musical#epic odysseus#the vengeance saga#epic the musical vengeance saga#vengeance saga#vengeance saga spoilers#epic spoilers#epic the musical spoilers#🐍#then you’re going to subconsciously hear the crew’s chorus in your head
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I just realized that the “Dangerous” theme in the background is the same run as the one in “God Games” that they use to introduce the gods in the beginning right as Aphrodite is introduced or when Zeus starts getting angry
#epic the vengeance saga#epic the wisdom saga#epic the musical#musicals#epic dangerous#i love listening for themes#one of my fav things to do in life ngl#anyways wish me luck on biochem <3#cuz god it’s not going#owl opines#epic odysseus#epic hermes#epic zeus
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"You didn't stop when I begged you!"
#tw: inferences of rape#sam and alexis if sam was a monster#redacted asmr#redacted sam collins#redacted alexis solaire#epic the musical#epic the vengeance saga#odysseus vs poseidon#don't get me wrong: I love that Sam begs Alexis to leave Darlin' be. He's calmer than I would have been#that's probably why I'm comfortable roleplaying darlin. anyway-#but if Sam was any amount of vengeful. of petty. he would have#Done Something in retaliation#now that i think about it#it might be his friendship with vincent that stops him from fucking up the house of solaire by tearing alexis's spine out of her throat#but isn't both vincent and sam out of the clan now?#so.#psst erik#let sam kill alexis#we all cried when sam talked about how alexis didn't listen when he told her to stop#we all cried right????? right#yeah that
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not me lying wide awake at 5:30am on a sunday on my day off bc after almost a full year I finally FINALLY realized the implication of the end of remember them from the cyclops saga
#that song has one of the most powerful ending crescendo sequences ive heard in maybe all of musical theater#so it. always felt incomplete after ALL that buildup during the I AM THE INFAMOOOUS#only to just drop to SILENCE. no music. no fanfare. just ODYSSEUS!#he doesnt even really sing it he just sort of... shouts it#and then its followed by the faintest sound of ocean waves#its poseidon. listening. THATS why athena said DONT#poseidon heard that declaration and came back to get him later#😬#i just looked up the lyrics for ruthlessness too and poseidon basically spells it out 😂#ive only listened to that song once or twice tho and i guess i wasnt too focused on the words#anyway i relistened to the songs on friday and theyve been rotating in my mind like a 7/11 hotdog#the whole cyclops saga especially is just.... so so good#they truly dont make music about bashing peoples heads in like they used to#the first 3 songs of the saga especially... oof#how they blend one into the other back to back and end up making like a 10 minute narration of events#the whole thing is so bone chilling#it gets my heartrate up lol#PLUS the theme of pain and vengeance bring more pain#EVERY time polyphemus says 'what gives you a right to deal a pain so deep'#and when odysseus says 'what good would killing do when mercy is a skill more of the world could learn to use'#rocking back and forth sobbing crying#remember them the next time that you DARE choose not to spare! remember them... remember us... remember me!#cant wait for everyone to turn their back on this musical in 5 yrs#like they did with hamilto.n#hamilto.n never stopped being good actually#yall are just embarrassed about being weird fanatics over people who rly existed
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Oh, you just KNOW he prepared that little monologue of his weeks in advance... That's why he didn't attack immediately after Ody blinded Polyphemus.
Dude Poseidon waited 7 straight years for Odysseus that kind of obsession
He really wants him all by himself and amiphitrite is going to be piss
Amphitrite is just pissed he won't shut it she doesn't give a shit about ody
@t4m3-simp
#he's a drama queen#he totally made amphi just sit there and listen to his speech#so he can practice#she's so tired#she knows both ruthlessness and get in the water by heart#it haunts her dreams actually#anyway this reminds me of that one crackfic#where ody is so tired after not sleeping for 9 days that he mistakes Poseidon for Penelope#poseidon is ofc confused and ends up forgetting how the song is supposed to go#that fic is great#go read it#epic the musical#epic#epic poseidon#poseidon#amphitrite#poseidon x amphitrite#amphitrite x poseidon#epic the ocean saga#epic the vengeance saga#ruthlessness
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My Thoughts On The Vengeance Saga!
I’m Not Sorry For Loving You: I feel we pretty much had the full song before hand? So it’s not too much new? But the vocals were so pretty!! Definitely the most grounded song in the saga!
Dangerous: First of all- the little Full Speed Ahead? With the 600 men bit? That had me so emotional already- the fact that there was no response when he said ‘with one goal in mind’ and there was a silence where they normally would have said ‘make it back alive to our homeland’. THEN HERMES IS BACK! WITH THE WINIONS???? AND THEY HAVE THE BAG AGAIN FOR HIM??? I went crazy over that- did they get Aeolus’ help? Did the winions go rogue and since they liked Odysseus they trapped it themselves??? Anyways. RUTHLESSNESS MENTION.
Charybdis: I love the overall vibe of this song! Again- very much like the snippets we heard- but that doesn’t make it less awesome! (I will also say I loved durning the animatic when he started getting all blurred with his speed). HE SAW ITHACA AND IT WAS SO TOUCHING THEN HE DIDNT GET TO GET THERE YET!!!
Get In The Water: I LOVE THE OPENING INSTRUMENTAL PART. CHILLS. I was screaming- I still am screaming as I relisten to it! POLITES, EURYLOCHUS, AND ANYICLEA JUMPSCARE! One of the songs that I feel so much better about listening to this morning, with just the music and none of the chaos of last night or the stream.
Six Hundred Strike: Okay- lots of thoughts on this one folks- the Six Hundred Men being chanted part? Amazing- does that count as when I said the vocals of his crew would be back? HE WILL GET BACK TO HIS SON. AND HE WILL GET BACK TO HIS WIFE. He avenged his comrades!!!!
Speaking from a position of just listening to the song instead of the provided visuals- I visualize something different happening. Like in terms of the wind bag, I like the idea it is used to blow away the layers of Poseidons water shell- to leave just him in the middle. And then the 600 Strike bit- perhaps the ghosts of all his crew appear and each get their own strike at Poseidon, with Odysseus dealing the last one before Poseidon starts singing again?
YOU IDIOT got me. THE ODYSSEUS’ WENT ABSOLUTELY FERAL? STABBING POSEIDON??? LIKE WHAT? I WAS SCREAMING- the raw vocals were amazing too-
NEXT TO MY WIFE
#epic the musical#Epic the vengeance saga#Vengeance saga spoilers#im not sorry for loving you#dangerous#charybdis#Get in the water#six hundred strike
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!!!SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN’T LISTENED TO THE VENGEANCE SAGA OF EPIC THE MUSICAL!!!
I find it really interesting that people are so upset about the Poseidon loss, using “it’s weird that a mortal beat a god” when the whole thing with gods in Greek mythology is that they’re parallels to humans. That’s why they have emotions, human anatomy, feel pain, and bleed (even if it is ichor that comes out). There are multiple cases of gods being beaten by humans, primarily demigods, but still humans—MORTALS. What makes them so powerful is their domain. Take that away? They’re practically powerless.
Poseidon is shown to be arrogant, claiming that the only reason he’s still hunting Odysseus (DESPITE killing his men, teaching his lesson, and even likely knowing about the brutal siren deaths) is because “the top dog can’t be seen letting his prey go. How else can I send the message that I’m a big dog? It’ll ruin my reputation!” He’s a cocky bastard, playing with his prey, telling Odysseus to get in the water because it’s more entertaining to him than just getting his revenge and killing him then and there. He talks like he’s never felt pain in his life and doesn’t think he ever will because “the top dog is untouchable”.
But he forgets that he needs his domain, needs his range to keep himself from losing. When Odysseus pulls the same trick with the wind bag (which he should’ve seen coming), he isn’t ready, because he’s never had to fight that fight. Odysseus has, and he has the anger to push himself farther. The god gets downed (which has happened many times with many gods as discussed earlier), and he still acts cocky. Odysseus opened the bag. He can’t leave. But that knowledge—knowledge that he’s stuck here and will eventually die anyway—allows Odysseus to make his decision. He can hurt Poseidon for as long as he’s capable of, make him suffer just as much because, hey, he’s going to die anyway, right?
Now, Poseidon has an out. He can get rid of the storm before Odysseus even lays a hand on him, let him go home, and flood Ithaca like planned. But he doesn’t, because he’s so in his own head that he doesn’t realize the position he’s in. And then Odysseus makes the first stab, and then the other. It hurts, even more because, like I said, Poseidon has probably never felt this pain before. And Odysseus doesn’t plan on stopping, not until Poseidon calls off the storm. He’ll go until his arms stop working, and if Poseidon hadn’t given in, he probably would’ve.
Poseidon can’t stop him either because the wounds are made before the others can heal. Does this punishment seem familiar? It should, because it’s the exact same one given to Prometheus by Zeus. Truthfully, it’s a punishment made for a god.
I should probably stop here because this has gone on way too long, but I do understand why some people might think it’s weird. We’re raised to believe that any god is untouchable, that they’re all-powerful and incapable of harm, especially at human hands. But that’s not Greek mythology. Gods aren’t capable of death, but they are capable of suffering, and a lot of them do. Just because the one suffering this time is one of the “big three” doesn’t mean it’s unrealistic.
Epic’s message isn’t the same as the original, and it never has been. It’s about what you’re willing to sacrifice, how far you’re willing to go for your own gain, and what the repercussions are when you do. Poseidon really kick started that message hard, and I think it’s poetic that it ends with him facing the outcome of that message himself.
Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves, but it’s not the same being on the receiving end, is it?
#epic the musical#epic the musical vengeance saga#vengeance saga#odysseus#poseidon#600 strike#six hundred strike#rant post#rant
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I didn’t expect so many people to be caught up on the realism of Odysseus defeating Poseidon LMAO I just thought it was cool.
I thought maybe the rushed complaints had some merit behind them but I relistened this morning and it feels like a full and complete saga. Even Charybdis, which I thought felt too short, sounded much better with a second listen. I think the listening party kinda rushed through songs but maybe I’m just crazy? Anyways I really love the vengeance saga. It was solid and it makes me really excited for Ithaca because now we know Odysseus has gone completely off the deep end.
The part where Odysseus is just torturing the hell outta Poseidon had some amazing vocals and I’m not sorry for loving you was so good and so very sad (and hopefully will prevent further Epic!Calypso mischaracterization holy moly!) dangerous was a very solid fun song to offset the rest of the vibe.
However, I think I’m basically with every other hive mind. 600 strike was my favorite. The second parts was equally sad and ruthless because I think you can tell Odysseus really doesn’t want to torture Poseidon imo. (“Look what you turned me into” “haven’t I suffered enough?”)
All I know is that I’m excited to see the different interpretations from my favorite artists. A lot of good action scenes.
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SPOILERS FOR THE VENGEANCE HERMES SAGA
What I find remarkable about 600 Strike, specifically the torture scene, is that it had no parallels.
Okay, let me explain. It isn't that there weren't any parallels, but other than the Different Beast instrumental (edit: it's a theme actually) at the beginning of that scene and whatever is said specifically to hurt the other, there are no parallels. Think about it - Ody has been absolutely traumatised and broken by everything, that's a main point of the song. One would expect that while acting as ruthlessly as he did, he'd have a flashback to something. Just A Man? Open Arms? My Goodbye? Ruthlessness? No Longer You? Monster? No matter what song, something would be on the song normally, probably in Love In Paradise or Monster type. You'd expect the finale to have a lot of parallels.
It could definitely be due to pure coldness. But I don't like that idea. So...
If you listen to the song, you'll notice that he mentions a ton of friends. But none appear. I'm thinking it's because he's either lashing out or straight up keeping himself from remembering.
He doesn't want to remember the dead. He keeps himself from thinking too much about them. That way, he might not be as pained. Not as shamed. Bottling everything up is normal for traumatised people, even to the point you convince yourself.
The second theory is the opposite. He's lashing out. All of his pain, grief, guilt, anger and fear were directed into Poseidon's chest. He didn't have to think about things that saddened him for relief. For a little. He's letting out some of the bad feelings by torturing the second most responsible man for his crew's lives - right after himself
Anyway, that is just my thoughts. What do you think?
EDIT: Ok Jorge you did not just prove me wrong like that. Go to 2:48 on the song and listen really closely. Or I guess you could go to an instrumental. When "You didn't stop when I begged you" starts playing, around the "begged", there's Tiresias' theme. It ends with Poseidon's "Alright", I believe. OKAY BUT TIRESIAS OUT OF ALL PEOPLE. Did he see this on his vision? If so, how in the world did he not spoil anything? I would never manage I'd break out laughing while singing. Did he not see this and the instrumental defines the very moment Odysseus finally changes into a total monster? Is it just a reminder at the back of his mind that he's proven the prophecy right? Or, the more promising, everything in the prophecy that doesn't include being at Ithaca has happened. He's finally getting home. I'm not even sad to be proven wrong because that's genius.
#epic athena#epic odysseus#epic the vengeance saga#jorge rivera herrans#the oddyssey#epic musical#epic the musical#600 strike#monster epic#no longer you#just a man#open arms#epicthemusical#epic poseidon#epic post
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I’m not usually opposed to hcs but this “Ares used dark quick thought to help Odysseus in 600 strike” and other divine intervention theories are getting OUT OF HAND ITS THE BANE OF MY EXISTENCE (TLDR at the end)
To start, Vengeance saga hit as hard as it did because Odysseus is all alone. Just listen to the intro of dangerous, the pause where the crew should’ve sung in response like in Full Speed Ahead. Because of all the choices he’s made, he’s fully alone now, and this is the first time he’s ever had to fight without his crew. Charybdis being a mortal facing up against a huge unsurvivable monster AND WINNING is what makes it so POWERFUL, and same goes with GITW/ 600 Strike. It’s the most impactful as a 1v1, Odysseus facing the cause of all his grief throughout the musical, he himself delivering every blow onto Poseidon on behalf of his dead crew. It’s CATHARTIC for him, and for us as the audience, because it’s a perfect ending to what Poseidon started in Ruthlessness when he taught Odysseus to be ruthless.
Dark Quick Thought also just kinda. Cheapens his character development. Dark quick thought inherently causes rage according to Jorge, basically making them more ruthless. If we relegate the reason Odysseus was so enraged and ruthless in straight up torturing Poseidon to Ares’ Dark Quick Thought, that just makes all the build up of Odysseus learning to use ruthlessness and to be a monster worthless. Dark QT isn’t why he’s acting so cold and ruthless; it’s all that he’s endured, forcing him to transform into a monster that disregards all morals just to get home, just to survive. It was Odysseus’ own decision to become a monster, like he literally said “I’m gonna use ruthlessness” in the song Dangerous, not because of any Dark QT influence. The fact that all his rage is coming only from himself, from his grief and exhaustion, and not Dark QT makes this moment all the more haunting.
The fact that this is the climax of his transformation is, and I’m not joking when I say this, illustrated by the line “next to my wife”. The whole musical “sleeplessness” (lol) has always been an indicator of guilt. E.g. “until it is said I cannot rest” “I no longer dream only nightmares of those who died” “I could sleep at night” etc. Even in LiP he was still haunted by guilt, since he’s trapped in Ogygia it feels like all he’s sacrificed has been completely worthless — he killed his whole crew for nothing. His response to Poseidon asking him how he’d sleep at night was “next to my wife”, showing he’s truly “thrown his guilt away” all to get home to see his wife — the only thing he cares about now.
Last thing, the gods just don’t like directly interfering in each others business. Hermes gave Odysseus a windbag and advice but that was it, hes still on his own at the end of the day. There’s a reason for why Athena didn’t ask Zeus to tell Poseidon to chill, why Hermes didn’t directly beat Zeus up for Odysseus. That helps make God Games MORE IMPACTFUL, because here are the gods, stubborn and set in their ways against directly helping mortals, and here’s Athena going through the trouble to request divine intervention ANYWAY, all for her friend. It makes no sense for any other god to randomly come and help Odysseus when they don’t even know the man.
I have no problem with people having fun imagining what would happen if the gods had helped Odysseus fight Poseidon, I’m just really frustrated bc I see so many people say this is “what actually happened” or “what should’ve happened” instead of being a fun hypothetical. There is no proof at all that any other gods came to help Odysseus in 600 Strike; the red eyes in the animatic is literally just symbolic and acts as contrast to Poseidon’s blue glowing gills on his shirt during the darkened torture scene.
TLDR: Direct divine intervention in 600 strike makes Odysseus’ isolation less impactful, cheapens his transformation into a ruthless monster and is just not realistic for the gods to do since they don’t interfere with each others business much.
#that’s not even mentioning the utter lack of proof#I might get flamed for this#epic the musical#jorge rivera herrans#epic ares#epic the vengeance saga#vengeance saga#epic odysseus#xria rambles
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Okay…I’m Not Sorry For Loving You is out…
#the vengeance saga#epic the musical#the odyssey#odysseus#the wisdom saga#calypso#i’m not sorry for loving you#love in paradise
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Have you listened/watched epic? And if you have what’s your thoughts?
Personally I think it’s a good thing to show to a friend new to Greek mythology. I just finished watching the last saga and I have to say I loved it, beautiful. Sad it ended tho :(
It might not be very accurate but I love the hardwork the cast put into it and so I love it very much
My thoughts on Epic the musical
So yes, I know about Epic. I even participated in the secret santa thing and am what we may call 'a winion'.
I just finished watching the livestream too ! I especially loved seeing the cast members were reacting to the sagas (Luke Holt was so funny in this 🤣. Also, Jorge carrying Mico like a baby in 'Just a man' and Mason being extra the whole time... so many gems in that livestream)
Since Epic is finished AND I have animatics of the Ithaca saga, I'll use this opportunity to make a more in-depth review of the musical. Instead of separating it in "good" or "bad", I'm reviewing it criteria per criteria.
The cast
Like I previously said, I LOVE the cast chemistry. They're all so fun and lively. I follow some of them separately, like Janani or Troy Doherty, and they're just delightful. Especially Troy as Hermes, he always manages to make me laugh. Every single time 😂.
Also, he gives me a bit of Mettaton vibes since he's extravagant, always over the top and a bit self-absorbed (the Hermes persona, I mean, not Troy Doherty himself). Maybe that's why I like him so much :3
And of course, there's Jorge, mr. Jalapeño, the man with the plan. I love how both passionate and humble he is, how he takes the time to thank everyone and just how much of a bundle of positive energy he is. I know it's an internet persona, but what I can see from him is some hopefully really nice guy in real life too.
Anyways, awesome cast chemistry, everyone made me laugh and they're all having a good time.
The music
This music is so beautiful 🥰. All the motifs, the emotions, the instruments, the voices ! If I had to rate Epic from the music alone, it would be 5 stars. I'm not saying this in a professional angle or anything, it's my personal feeling.
Seriously, I don't really have that much to say about the music because, to me, it's just that good. I love the variety, how different instruments synch themselves and, yeah.
The characters
Annnnd that's where the blind positive praise stops, unfortunately 😂.
Don't get me wrong, it's not awful either and there are good points. My favorite Epic characters are Hermes and Athena.
The rest ? It's mixed. In order not to make this too long, I'll focus on only some of them.
The story is very character-driven so I won't really delve into it in detail.
Odysseus : he's a good protagonist, especially in the first act. His dilemma is interesting, he has a strong personality and I like that he is just a broken man and not some mighty overlord... except in the Thunder and Vengeance sagas. I feel Jorge exaggerated the monster message a bit too much, imo. Odysseus is supposed to be a witty liar, a warrior of the mind. Not someone like Achilles who solves problems by fighting or fights gods like Heracles, much less freaking Poseidon.
Poseidon : okay ! I liked him in the first act, because FINALLY Poseidon isn't a surfer dude. He's a terrifying force of nature that was angered by mortal hubris (though the hubris thing isn't explained by Epic). In Get in the water, he kept his intimidating side. Because he's, yk, the king of the oceans, one of the most powerful Olympian gods. But his defeat partially ruined him for me 😂. It just doesn't make sense. Why is Odysseus afraid of Scylla and even tip-toes around Hermes, who is friendly, when he can stabby-stab Poseidon ? Why didn't Poseidon counterattack? So many questions.
Zeus : my problem with Zeus is easier to explain. Again, he was awesome in the first act, less so in the second. What I loved initially is how regal he was. Powerful, intimidating, kingly, but not evil either. He warns Odysseus of the gods' will and of fate, which always realizes itself in mythology. In Thunder Bringer, he's fine. His lustful and flighty side is shown, but we could interpret his intervention as avenging Helios and punishing the ones who ate the cows, instead of "Zeus is evil". But in God Games ? He's so pettyyyyy and childish. Where is the kingly attitude ? This "Beast Zeus" should come against Kronos or Typhon, or maybe when Athena and the others threatened his position. Not after a freaking game ! He just strikes Athena with thunder because she won fair and square. At LEAST Luke Holt absolutely killed it, so it's cool to listen to.
Penelope : she's underdeveloped :( . Okay, her bond with Odysseus was respected, they're adorable together. On her own ? Eh, she's fine. Which is a shame because she simply didn't have enough room to exist outside of Odysseus. Also, the fact that she doesn't interact once with her son is criminal imo.
I do have some other issues with characters like Circe and Calypso (basically they're declawed compared to the Odyssey), whereas I'm completely fine with others like Eurylochus, Telemachus or every god except Zeus and Poseidon. Though they're not perfectly accurate either but I don't have problems with them.
The crew in general is also underdeveloped, so I didn't feel much for them (until discovering the scrapped Elpenor and Perimedes songs/lh). They played their roles correctly.
I hated the suitors (that's a positive in Epic) and laughed when Antinous died. Though I wished they were more pathetic and less threatening. Musically it'd be worse but story-wise more fitting.
The story
Overall, it's fine. Most of the best points come from the Odyssey itself, the one change I liked the most was having Odysseus and Poseidon meet (not the way it ended though).
Also, story-wise, I prefer act 1 over act 2, because it's less over the place and more grounded.
But emotion-wise and music-wise, forgetting about the Odyssey, act 2 wins the cake.
Those were my thoughts on Epic :3
I tried not to judge it too much according to the Odyssey and some of my friends are more demanding on that plan (for perfectly legitimate reasons btw). But it's hard to separate Epic from the wonderful work of Homer and it's lacking in some areas.
Still, this journey was very fun, I love all the passion Jorge, the singers and the animatic artists put in, there are a lot of good things about it (I can't mention everything). I don't want to rate it because it's too rigid of a system. I listen to the songs on loop and, ultimately, I'm thankful Epic exists :)
I may come back to this post and reblog stuff if I have new relevant thoughts to add. I'll probably rank the sagas in another post.
#epic the musical#ask#not a reblog#epic odysseus#reminder to my fellow winions : my opinions ≠ undeniable facts#jorge rivera herrans
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EPIC THE MUSICAL SONGS RANKED BY ME
With the release of the Ithaca Saga, I can finally rank all the songs from the musical! I did this before, for Act One, so I naturally I gotta do the whole show.
Before we dive in some disclaimers:
This is my personal opinion, and forewarning here, there are some hot takes and very unpopuplar opininons below. If you disagree you are welcome to talk your shit on the notes because there is nothing I love more than arguing with strangers on the internet. No really, I mean it. Give me your worst. Just have some decorum, dont get your panties all twisted
ALL SONGS ARE GOOD. I LOVE THE ENTIRE SHOW. Just because a song is low, it does not mean I dislike. I just like it less than the ones above them.
I am ranking based on overall quality, replayability, personal enjoyment, basically just what my silly little brain thinks about it.
40 - CHARYBDIS
Truly a nothing burger. She's just...there.
39 - SIX HUNDRED STRIKE
This song is to me what The Godfather is to Peter Griffin from Family Guy. Do with that information what you will. Also, first impressions unfortunately matter, and that CG animatic...yeah.
38 - GET IN THE WATER
Poseidon should've a second verse before Ody had his. If he did, i'd like this much better. And by now you can deduce what is my least liked saga LMAO, and I really didn't want it to be so, but these three are probably the only songs in the show I actively dislike. Unfortunately the hype was too high on these, and they did NOT live up to it. I fear we lost a little bit of the plot after the Thunder Saga, although Wisdom was (much) better than Vengeance.
37 - POLYPHEMUS
It's slow, heavily dialogue-y and is not very fun to listen to outside of a full listen through of the show. Just not my vibe at all. Still love her tho <3
36 - STORM
My opinion on her has not changed in the slightest since the last time I ranked it to be honest, but the addition of the 20 other songs made her plummet. Still think she lacks a little bit of flavor, a little something. Haven't felt her since tiktok teaser days, still don't.
35 - LUCK RUNS OUT
I said it once and I'll say it again. I am pissed at the change from the teasers lmao, the rappy version of Eury's first verse was SO much better and I am still salty about it, but it is a good song overall and I like Eury's character beginning to blossom here.
34 - LITTLE WOLF
Don't shoot! The song is great, i love Athena's part, but idk, it's so weird to put it before We'd Be Fine. Like, I just can't put my finger on why, it's just my truth.
33 - THERE ARE OTHER WAYS
We have officially entered No Skip territory. 33/40 is a great score.
The intro and the duet are amazing, I am a sucker for duets between man and woman: Bad Idea from Waitress is one of my fave broadway songs of all time, and that last high note is life changing but Circe's second verse is kinda meh. It has grown on me quite a lot since last ranking.
32 - PUPPETEER
Anyway, I love me some Puppeteer. The intro is amazing and fooled me, i thought Eury was going to profess his love or something. The Lyricism, the dynamics between Ody and Eury, perfection.
31 - KEEP YOUR FRIENDS CLOSE
She is weird but she is good. Another song I love that plummeted in the rankings because of the second act lmao. Jorge has since then showed us the twink.
30 - THE UNDERWORLD
My opinion hasn't changed but I'm tired of Polites showing up everywhere lmao
29 - LEGENDARY
Pretty good song to introduce Telemachus and Antinous, silly and fun, but not much else to say. Very solid, good song, nothing to complain about.
28 - ODYSSEUS
She is incredible. The edge, the villain era, the violence and the climax of it all, remarkable. The vocals are insane, the extras, all. I screamed when Telemachus appeared.
27 - DONE FOR
Oh how the might have fallen LMAO this was ranked 7th last time, but the competition is STEEP baby. The second act songs just blew it out of the park, plus many songs I ranked low last time went up so yeah. Still an amazing song, and i will always love it as the one teaser that truly got me into this musical.
26 - MUTINY
ARMANDO JULIAN. Stellar performance, and that Just a Man reference my GOD.
Truly insane how low this song is, when this is song TWENTY SIX the other 25 have to be absolute bangers, which they are.
25 - FULL SPEED AHEAD
The harmonies, the character intros, the simplicity, the naïveté, the HARMONIES, YES, AGAIN THE HARMONIES. Troy saga best saga, and if you disagree you can eat my ass
24 - WARRIOR OF THE MIND
This song was second to last on my Act One ranking and I would like to apologize, as I ranked all athena songs kinda low back then. The cultural impact this had alone makes her stand above many. Great song.
23 - DANGEROUS
Hermes wouldn't disappoint me, even among the Vengeance Saga he shines. I love this song. Animatic on the live stream kinda sucked, (no shade to the artist, I loved your work on I Can't Help But Wonder) but the song has been stuck in my head since before Troy was cast.
22 - HOLD THEM DOWN
YES. YES. I LOVE A VILLAIN WHO IS JUST IREDEEMABLY EVIL. God, I love Antinous's character so much, and Ayron Alexander's performance is simply insane. His death was SO FUNNY, truly, I love this song.
21 - LOVE IN PARADISE
Another song that snatched my ass during teaser era, I adore Love in Paradise. The percussion, the immaculate vibes and the emotional whiplash at the end, i just love it.
20 - GOD GAMES
I'm so sad she isn't better LMAO, the gods' arguments were too short! This should've been an 8 minute song, and I am so serious. Either way, despite my gripes with it, I love it, and I want Luke Hot to step on my neck, respectfully.
19 - OPEN ARMS
A classic. What's not to love about her? The dialogues get a bit meh, but c'mon, who cares? Love Polite's solo moment. I just with it had more duet-y parts.
18 - SURVIVE
This song grew on me tremendously. I didn't like it as much at first and i ranked it pretty low last time, but holy shit. This song is so ALIVE. it fills me with, idk, gas? You get it, right? PUSH FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWAAAAAAAAAAAARD!
17 - DIFFERENT BEAST
The payoff on Monster, a masterpiece tbh. Great song, very dark and violent, just how I like it. First time Ody actually scared me.
16 - MY GOODBYE
Perfection, but I wish Ody and Athena really had a proper duet, like harmonizing together and stuff at some point on the show, and I feel like here would've been the perfect opportunity. But the song is phenomenal, and the JUST A MAN REFERENCE? Lifechanging.
15 - REMEMBER THEM
Top 15 mean we have entered perfection. All songs from here on out are 10/10, with zero notes. Perfection. Immaculate. No suggestions, no way to be better, no. PERFECTION. The rankings are just numbers atp, ngl, except for the top 5.
She is serving rock pauleira, serving angst, serving outro. Like, she is neither man of mythical like, what else you want me to say?
14 - THUNDER BRINGER
My GOD. Oh Luke Holt, you are so sexy, just one chance please!
13 - THE HORSE AND THE INFANT
What an opening. That duet, the set up for the best song on the show (spoilers IG), THE DUET WITH ZEUS? HELLO? (have I mentioned I find Luke Holt attractive?) Perfection.
12 - SUFFERING
Oh she is SO FUN and so catchy, and Anna Lea? I have to stan.
11 - WE'LL BE FINE
This is so beautiful, honestly, Mico's voice is the sweetest and I said before i LOVE duets between men and women, idk why, it just hits all spots on my brain. That first "MAYBE" they sing together sounds fucking angelic.
10 - NOT SORRY FOR LOVING YOU
@ghostlycollectorchaos hates to see me coming at 5:50 am belting this at the bus stop. Calypso they could never make me hate you. She was just in a silly goofy mood u guys!
9 - WOULDN'T YOU LIKE
Oh Hermes, I love you so much. The TikTok snippets had me on a chokehold. (Hermes, however, is not my fave character anymore. Penelope snatched his spot from his hands)
8 - THE CHALLENGE
Speaking of the Queen, OH THE CHALLENGE HOW I HAVE LOVED YOU FOR YEARS! For those who don't know, this and NSFLY have been (kinda) out for a long time before release because Jorge presented them on workshop before even the Troy Saga came out! And The challenge has always been one of my favorites. Anna Lea delivered a spectacular performance. It brought me to tears to finally see it out.
7 - I CAN'T HELP BUT WONDER
I wish I could forget this to listen for the first time again. Tears, every single time. Also ATHENA IS ALIVE YALL.
6 - MONSTER
I mean, come on. Do I even have to say anything? When he quoted Poseidon. The venting about all he lost, THE CONFIRMATION THAT HE DID, IN FACT, KILLED THE BABY. HE BECOMING THE MAN TIRESIAS SAW IN HIS PROPHECY. I MEAN, COME ON
5 - NO LONGER YOU
Wig? Snatched. This was my favorite song for a while, I even auditioned for it lmao. Deffo my favorite one to sing, still. Mason DEVOURED this track, and the prophecy? Odysseus's scream? Setting up Monster, AKA one of the best things in this show? Gagged me, your honor. I can't stress enough how much I love Mason's performance here.
4 - RUTHLESSNESS
I was INSUFFERABLE when this came out. I made this song my entire personality for a good 3 months. Ask anyone close to me. She was on repeat for WEEKS. Steven Rodriguez, man. God. That man's voice. That man in general, actually.
3 - SCYLLA
The most hype song in the show, sung exquisitly by who can only be described as vocally insane KJ (have yall seen the video of them belting her lungs off while KAYAKING?) But honestly, what I love the most about the song is the lyrics in the chorus.
"Die in the blood where you bathe" will forever be my favorite line in EPIC.
2 - WOULD YOU FALL IN LOVE WITH ME AGAIN
Tears. Every single time. Shit, i'm beginning to tear up writing this. The voices, the harmonies, the rage, Penelope's gambit, THAT RIFF ON "FOR YOU", THE JUST A MAN INSTRUMENTAL THAT MAKES ME CRY. The fact that the show ends in "i love you". I just can't describe in full how much I love this song. I can't wait to see the many actresses that will play penelope on broadway.
1 - JUST A MAN
Remarkable, showstopping, absolutely the best song ever made in a musical. The lyricism, the production, the poetry, vocal performance, I really don't have much to say because it's not needed. All of my favorite moments in this soundtrack, unreleased songs included, are moments in which this song is referenced.
I love this song so much i literally can't think about things to write that can represent how much I love it. Shit, this entire part is straight up copy paste from my act one ranking.
My life's dream is to go to broadway once to see this fucking song live, and i know it will be life changing.
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