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Just bit of fun:
#this fandom is lovely and the only one I'd trust to do this with#no I'm not biased why would you think that#anyway the objectively correct answer is-#life on mars#life on mars uk#LoM#ashes to ashes#a2a#ashes to ashes uk#sam tyler#gene hunt#annie cartwright#ray carling#chris skelton#shaz granger#tumblr polls#my polls#woops i forgot#alex drake#(please don't kill me ahaha it was an accident)
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Pissing me thefuck off All by yourself Handsome ?
#i have the mental health equivalent of the flu but today was able to draw the guys who have been living in my head lately. so this is a good#sign i am recovering. anyway i ❤️ ryusae but i think they can piss each other off in a special way. ❤️.#like yeah shidou likes sae a lot and sae finds shidou very interesting (likes him) but it is also Guy who is allergic to being told what to#do x guy who believes he is right like 99% of the time [he is often right] and acts like it. no way they clash never.#plus they think the other is interesting! their different viewpoints on the things that don't have an objectively correct answer are#interesting to each other. i think.#ryusae#ryuusae#my art#blue lock#also new rendering style dropped I guess
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I literally have zero art motivation right now but you can have these ofmd x pokémon doodles I made ages ago and never posted ‼️
#izzy hands#stede bonnet#ed teach#ofmd#pokemon#art#my art#I was genuinely so obsessed w this concept at one point and I was supposed to answer asks about it after I literally begged people -#- to send me asks but then I never actually posted a response bc I had SO many fucking thoughts it was impossible to condense it down#I had extensive lists of ideas for Pokémon to match with everyone it was bonkers#I still think about it a lot#there are so many Pokémon that could fit izzy fr#anyways stede is absolutely a bug type stannie and you can fight me on that one#I’m objectively correct
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what do you mean discord the god of all things fucked up and chaotic and Wrong who turns the very laws of neuton themselves upside down & inside out had no way to turn fluttershy immortal. what is more chaotic and antithetical of all things natural than turning your mortal lover immortal and defying death itself
#🗣️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️#the angst is GOOD though ugh. anyway I’m correct objectively#mlp#fluttercord#<- if there’s lore answer to any of this do Not be a wiseass alright I have not kept up w mlp since 2012 give me a break#mlp g5
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I kind of adore how in ur tags you're talking about his foot position being off and everyone (including me) in the tags is too busy being memorized by tenzō's arm and armpit hair to notice or comment.
ITS REALLY FUNNY!!! AND HONESTLY KINDA HEARTWARMING!!!! I LOVE IT!!!! LMFAOOOO also u + everyone else is right body hair is sick as HELL!!!! its easy to forget to add onto drawings too
#yamswers#icouldreallyuseanewurl#this drawing isnt of kakashis body hair bc i tack on already-drawn things to ask answers. but i feel like u in specific will enjoy it#bc of the kakashi back of the head hair getting ruffled LMFAO#anyway yeah#it reminds me vaguely like. back when i was 16 and first came out as trans i made the intentional choice to grow out my leg hair#and i didnt pass at all so people asked a LOT of questions abt it + whenever they did#my response was always “its gorgeous. i tend to it lovingly. like a garden”#16 yr old me had confidence and a sense of humor for sure LMFAO#genuinely i love it its sooo funny to me. hello body hair enjoyers. ur objectively correct. body hair is so fun to draw too bc it kind of?#grows in swirls? like obvs theres the swirl on the top of the head. but there are directional swirls at the elbow...the belly...the chest..#dont even get me started on facial hair swirls. for people who love drawing lines i think bodyhair is REALLY good#image desc in alt text
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#i know the objective correct answer#but soooo many people do not share that opinion and so i must always deal with the incorrect choice#anyway this is literally because i got a gift basket and it was full of the bad chocolate option
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i got the okay from my professor to write historically accurate fanfiction about witches in the 1500s for an assignment and i’m trying to figure out a way to write about the Wittebane brothers without making it too obvious or based too much/little in toh universe���….
#like i can’t just state that there’s a whole different joyous dimension that witches come from cause that’s not how it acctually happened#unless you mean Hell but that’s still not really correct#in the Middle Ages in Central and Anglo Europe there was definitely some belief of an Other World where magical beings can come from#but humans practicing magic goes back and forth of being tolerable to executable#and the time period i’m dealing with here is not so happy go lucky hehe fun witches#if Evalene didn’t have a portal to go back to or weaponry magical powers then she would’ve been caught and hanged lol#‘real’ witches were accused of playing offence rather than defense#what we see as objectively defensive acts (resisting torture or not answering questions)#were taken as offensive attacks on God and community#Phillip Wittebane would have a blast as an inquisitor and scribe in court. he loooved manipulation and torture#toh#i should post my previous writing assignment cause apparently (according to my friends who i read it aloud to) it’s really well written lol#it’s about a gay woman falling in love with a feminine spirit and using magic to call upon her and run away with her#anyways
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would you still love me if i posted my favorite-pokemon-from-each-region-and-type chart or would my controversial and dumb favorites be enough for you to hate me
#don't bother actually answering#i'm gonna post it anyway skdjfvn#i just think it's fun 👉👈#(and also my opinions are objectively correct)#kjsdvfn
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If cass doesn't win the batman poll me and tumblr dc fandom are going to have words
#Yea shes winning for now but theres a week ahead and. She better stay winning#Im sorry but this is one of those questions that has an objectively correct answer#Why are people voting tim and jason!! Girl!!!#Anyway cass sweep. Love u#txt
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Favourite greek God/Goddess?
(you're opening up old wounds anon my sister got into screaming matches with me about this when we were kids because she's weird as shit, i do say that with oceans of love but it's true)
Favorite goddess is Athena, always has been, that's what happens when you're actually Greek and also a giant nerd ever since you were little. Favorite god is Apollo, and That webtoon is the bane of my existence and I don't engage with it, but I think he's neat (issues that plague literally All male Greek gods/demigods/heroes notwithstanding).
And because not even I am above a basic bitch opinion, yes I have a soft spot for both Hades and Persephone as individual figures (eldritch pastel girlboss and goth too tired for this shit malewife who rule over the dead are always gonna be the shit) and yes, as a couple. Sue me.
#personal#answered#anonymous#anyway as i've mentioned absolutely nothing i've ever said about greek mythology in any respect can be argued with#due to my status as the ultimate tumblr Greece Gatekeeper#the internet is allowed to engage in this stuff when i say you are and not before#and all my takes and preferences are objectively correct and i will die on this hill#(i'm not even joking i think i'm the only person i've ever met irl or online who has actually engaged in this stuff the way you're meant to#(in that i was told these stories orally by my elder greek relatives and engaged with them through a cultural and familial lens)
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I'm from, and have lived all over, the UK and say "in line".
However, I gotta disagree with the helpful diagram because the choice of in/on in English is like, a known issue. Just ask any second language English speaker, whether we're in or on a mode of transport or location is not necessarily straightforward or literal. You just gotta learn that shit.
You are in the car, you are on a bike, so far so obvious. You are also on a bus or train, despite being (hopefully) inside the actual vehicle, not on top of it.
I could come up with all sorts of rules about active vs passive transport methods vs physical relationship to a thing but the truth is: they're all inconsistent and I'd just be working backwards to justify however I say it. I could say that a queue is basically a very organised crowd and you're in a crowd. But I could also say a queue is like a physical waiting list, and you're on a list. The real rule is "both are correct because both are regularly used by native English speakers" with the addition of "and both sound weird and wrong to anyone who doesn't speak the same dialect".
@lesbianshepard I've got a potentially daft question for you if you don't mind. You'd say you're "on line", which I've heard before (because I use the internet), but like, do you say "get on line" as the imperative about joining a queue? I assume it's consistent with "being on line", but I legit don't know.
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#language#on line sounds odd to me but I've become used to it#though for some reason the idea of someone telling me to 'get on line' is like oh no#sand in the gears of my brain? why do i specifically not like that?#anyway anyone who thinks there's a clear and logical correct answer is just confusing their gut feelings about their own dialect#with objective truth#whichever sounds more right it's because you're used to it not an inherent logic#there's some general trends though of like you're usually on public transport but in private transport#on the bus/ferry/plane/coach#in the car/taxi/canoe (kinda ran out of examples there)#bikes are a whole other thing though they group with horses#but it's still kinda eh arbitrary
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degradation taken too far (mature content 18+)
context/warnings : it’s smut, so kids shoo! hell of a lot of degradation. they’re so mean i hate them. (swearing, words used : slut and slutty) angst to i have no idea what. pls do lmk if i missed any tws. and as always, its not proofread :p gojo ver.
ryomen sukuna ‘is that all you can do? all your yapping earlier about ridin’ me was just talks? answer me’ his sudden shift in demeanour has you feeling really small. sure he is a rude ass prick but not to you. never to you.
‘no- i can take it. i really can ryo’ tears sting at your eyes as you struggle to take in his full length. his hands giving your waist a small squeeze.
‘yeah and that’s all you’ve been saying for the past goddamn fifteen minutes. either you take it like a good girl or i’ll just have to find someone who will. trust me, i can’ he eyes held no remorse of the words he just spewed and that’s when you break.
correction, you shatter.
somewhere in the back of your head you knew he’ll never leave you but him wording it out makes it seem like it’s bound to happen.
and so tears stroll down your cheeks, your hands and legs giving out on you, your body going limp against his and you whisper the same thing over and over again.
‘don’t leave me ryo. i’m sorry. didn’t mean to upset you. i’m so sorry. don’t leave’
quickly his arms wrap around your body protectively, your face between his shoulder blade and neck, wetting the area with fresh batch of tears.
‘i could never leave you. you’re-’ you’re it for me. ‘you’re always the one that keeps me sane. there’s no way i’ll ever leave you. i’m sorry baby, forgive me. i didn’t mean a word of what i said’ he says.
when he didn’t get a response from you ‘look at me’ he whispers. slowly you leave the comfort of his neck and meet his eyes.
‘i didn’t mean it. you could leave me on deathbed and i still wouldn’t mean it’
‘i can’t leave you ryo. i love you way too much’ you sniffle, new tears threatening to spill so you go back to huddle against his neck.
god. he knows you mean it. and that’s what makes him feel like a dickhead.
‘me too, i- i lo-’ he struggles, just as your palm reaches up to cover his mouth.
‘i know ryo, i know’ you whisper, placing your forehead against his, both of you basking in the quietness of the surrounding.
geto suguru ‘fuckin-! ah shit! some insane grip you have on me baby. can’t move if you clench and lock me up like that’ he smirks against your neck.
‘and a bit quiet today ain’t ya? you sure had a lot to say to satoru earlier heh’ he remarks.
‘we were just catching up suguru, nothing-! nothing more’ you whine.
‘catching up you say? does catching up require smiles and touches? do they angel baby?’ he raises his eyebrows.
‘no..’ you avert your eyes away from his.
‘that’s what i thought. so for that, now you pay’ he pulls out suddenly, and pushes all the way back in making you yelp out loud.
‘sugu! ah fuck, i don’t think i can go another round baby. s’too much!’ the pressure was starting to get to you and you were starting to lose stability.
‘hah, i know you can baby, this slutty pussy’s all you’re good for anyway. fuck, doesn’t matter whose it is, as long as you’re filled. am i right?’ his words pierced straight through your heart.
since when did he-?
out of reflex, your hands reach out to touch his face to make sure that this was a dream nightmare. otherwise there’s no way he-
‘don’t touch me with those filthy hands’ he spits but makes no effort to push your hand off.
‘do you really think that’s all i’m good for?’ your voice is soft, filled with pain, and suddenly it’s like he’s broken out of his trance.
what the fuck am i doing, he thought.
slowly he pulls out, all whilst holding your hand against his cheek.
‘absolutely not. no. fuck, did not mean it angel. i promise. i- i don’t know what came over me-! didn’t mean it. please i’m sorry. next time if i ever lose my shit with you, i want you to take the nearest sharp object and plunge it into my chest’ he heaves out a guttural sigh.
‘you were really mean you know..’ you wipe your eyes.
‘i know baby, fuck. i didn’t mean it. i did not mean it. i’ll never do it again princess, ever’ he repeats.
his face lands on your chest, thanking all the gods and the stars out there for giving him another chance.
he’ll never screw up again and that’s a promise.
nanami kento ‘you really couldn’t wait for a few hours? just had to go and think with your cunt, right? have you no- ugh! no shame?’ his thrusts were sloppy as his hands were placed around your hips.
‘kento- slow down baby, i- i don’t think i can last’ you whine, hands clutching at the sheets.
‘no. you asked for this you little slut. so shut. the. fuck. up. and take it!’ each syllable was accompanied by a harsh thrust.
the usually composed, sweet and calm nanami was nowhere to be found. he’s never once called you a ‘slut’ and what caused this? you rubbing him through his pants and riling him up at his office dinner earlier tonight.
he warned you off multiple times but did you listen? no.
‘why are you so quiet now? i thought this is what you wanted’ his voice comes out raspy and cold.
a quiet but audible whimper escaped your lips, making him halt his actions.
slowly he pulled out, gently laying you on your back as your body shook with each sob.
‘sweetheart…? why are you…’
you look up at him, eyes puffy and swolllen ‘i’m sorry kento, it’s just that, you’re never home these days and i missed you so much’ a cry that’s sure to crack his heart leaves your lips.
‘i just wanted you all to myself for tonight but i didn’t mean to be a bother-’
his warm body hovers over yours, ‘you’re never a bother baby. always know that. you will always be at the top of every and any list i make. there’s nothing more i want than coming home to you everyday after work. and i didn’t mean to lash out at you. you didn’t deserve that, i’m sorry’ he leans down to press a kiss to your forehead.
‘you will always have me sweetheart, never forget that. now let me make it up to you yeah?’
#bro i’m actually so scared to post this cuz i’ve never written anything like it before god bless#jujutsu kaisen#jjk smut#geto smut#jjk x reader smut#jjk x reader#geto x reader smut#jjk angst#jujutsu kaisen smut#sukuna smut#geto x reader#nanami smut#sukuna x reader smut#sukuna x reader#nanami kento smut
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I’ll never forget when I was arguing with a person in favor of total prison abolition and I asked them “what about violent offenders?” And they said “Well, in a world where prisons have been abolished, we’ll have leveled the playing field and everyone will have their basic needs met, and crime won’t be as much of an issue.” And then I was like “okay. But…no. Because rich people also rape and murder, so it isn’t just a poor person thing. So what will we do about that?” And I don’t think they answered me after that. I’m ashamed to say I continued to think that the problem was that I simply didn’t understand prison abolitionists enough and that their point was right in front of me, and it would click once I finally let myself understand it. It took me a long time to realize that if something is going to make sense, it needs to make sense. If you want to turn theory into Praxis (I’m using that word right don’t correct me I’ll vomit) everyone needs to be on board, which mean it all needs to click and it needs to click fast and fucking clear. You need to turn a complex idea into something both digestible and flexible enough to be expanded upon. Every time I ask a prison abolitionist what they actually intend to do about violent crime, I get directed to a summer reading list and a BreadTuber. It’s like a sleight-of-hand trick. Where’s the answer to my question. There it is. No wait, there it is. It’s under this cup. No it isn’t. “There’s theory that can explain this better than I can.” As if most theory isn’t just a collection of essays meant to be absorbed and discussed by academics, not the average skeptic. “Read this book.” And the book won’t even answer the question. The book tells you to go ask someone else. “Oh, watch this so-and-so, she totally explains it better than me.” Why can’t you explain it at all? Why did you even bring it up if you were going to point me to someone else to give me the basics that you should probably already know? Maybe I’m just one of those crazy people who thinks that some people need to be kept away from the public for everyone’s good. Maybe that just makes me insane. Maybe not believing that pervasive systemic misogyny could be solved with a UBI and a prayer circle makes me a bad guy. But it’s not like women’s safety is a priority anyway. It’s not like there is an objective claim to be made that re-releasing violent offenders or simply not locking them up is deadly.
#I’m sorry#there are just people out here who need punishment and to be contained and rehabilitation will not work#like I’m one of the more insane people who thinks that you can rehabilitate anyone if they want to change and learn from their behavior#ANYONE#but there are people out here who do not and will not ever want it#and those people shouldn’t get a pass because you read incomplete abolitionist theory once#and now you think that a UBI would solve everything#that’s the thing about most abolitionists that I’ve noticed#once you press them on the hard shit#they go#well there are some good books on the subject#there are some other creators#okay#and what have those other books and creators said?#Tee Noir once started off a video telling people not to ask her to defend her defense of prison abolition#they should just ‘Google it’ she said (or something like that)#now I don’t watch Tee Noir#gothra#feminism#social justice#prison abolition#criminal justice#prison reform#tw vomit
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The exchange between Peeta and Gale in Tigris's basement used to be my least favorite scene in the entire book. I hated how it made Katniss out to be a heartless drone whose only motivation is survival. But I've been thinking about it a lot lately, and I'm now convinced I grossly misinterpreted the purpose of the passage the first times I read it. I don't think it's about Gale revealing some sage wisdom about Katniss; I think it's a revelation about how far gone Katniss and Gale's relationship truly is, and how little he understands the way she loves. AND it's about how much better Peeta understands Katniss, even in his half-hijacked state. Let me break it apart a tad to explain what I mean:
“She loves you, you know,” says Peeta. “She as good as told me after they whipped you.”
Peeta is correct on both counts. Katniss DOES love Gale, and in CF, she internally refers back to the whipping as the moment she "chose" Gale over Peeta. Peeta knew it then, and he knows it now.
“Don’t believe it,” Gale answers. “The way she kissed you in the Quarter Quell... well, she never kissed me like that.”
Correct, but it's interesting that Gale refers to THAT moment on the beach as proof that Katniss loves Peeta. Because on one hand, that WAS the first time she felt and displayed sexual desire for anyone. But on the other hand, I would argue that there was lots more evidence for Katniss's love for Peeta; "anyone paying attention" could see it. So why does Gale point to the one time things got hot and heavy between them?
“It was just part of the show,” Peeta tells him, although there’s an edge of doubt in his voice.
Incorrect, but I'll give him half credit for the "edge of doubt" in his voice.
“No, you won her over. Gave up everything for her. Maybe that’s the only way to convince her you love her.”
Here's where Gale starts talking kinda crazy. Since when has the issue been convincing KATNISS that HE (or Peeta) loved HER? Since the end of book 1, there has never been the slightest doubt in Katniss's mind that Peeta loved her. And she's never doubted Gale's love, although she admits it caught her off guard. Does Gale actually think that if Katniss could just SEE how much he loves her, she'd have no choice but to marry him? Or does he think Katniss is holding back because he hasn't "given up everything" for her? Either way, he paints Katniss as a fundamentally untrusting and self-centered person.
Also, he implies that Katniss needs to be "won over", that she needs to be PERSUADED to love either of them... Yikes. It's like he actually believes Katniss doesn't have the emotional capabilities of falling in love all on her own.
There’s a long pause. “I should have volunteered to take your place in the first Games. Protected her then.”
Incorrect! Over to Peeta for an explanation of why that would have been a Colossally Stupid idea:
“You couldn’t,” says Peeta. “She’d never have forgiven you. You had to take care of her family. They matter more to her than her life.”
DING DING DING DING! I just picture Peeta making a ????????no??? face as Gale says he should have volunteered for him. Like?? Can you IMAGINE? Book 1 Katniss would have been screaming at Gale like "you absolute IDIOT. WHY would you throw your life and the lives of your and/or my family away. And for WHAT? MORON."
But I get it. Gale is saying this out of desperation. Because he can't say "I wish you had died in those games" (although perhaps that is how he's felt once or twice). And to be fair, if Peeta had never been in those games with Katniss, things between them now would be very... different. (shhhhh Gale doesn't have to know about the whole "this would've happened anyway" thing)
“Well, it won’t be an issue much longer. I think it’s unlikely all three of us will be alive at the end of the war. And if we are, I guess it’s Katniss’s problem. Who to choose.” Gale yawns. “We should get some sleep.”
Correct, nothing to object to here.
“Yeah.” I hear Peeta’s handcuffs slide down the support as he settles in. “I wonder how she’ll make up her mind.”
Even though Peeta is more in sync with Katniss, he doesn't presume to know how her romantic side works. Gotta respect that.
“Oh, that I do know.” I can just catch Gale’s last words through the layer of fur. “Katniss will pick whoever she thinks she can’t survive without.”
So I ask: if Gale is shown throughout this exchange to be mostly wrong about Katniss's motivations, desires, and possibly her whole personality, why would we believe he's correct about this?? I think the only conclusion is that he's NOT.
I'll end by adding Katniss's opinion about Gale's assertion:
It’s a horrible thing for Gale to say, for Peeta not to refute. Especially when every emotion I have has been taken and exploited by the Capitol or the rebels.
Katniss is DEEPLY hurt by what Gale said. And I no longer believe it's because it's the truth about HER. I think it's because it's the truth about how Gale sees her, and he sees her in a very hurtful (albeit incorrect) way.
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I'll admit I love the dadification of Tim by bruce, but I also love tim being much more of a perfectionist and being more efficient than Bruce.
And Bruce would say he loves it- but like. He now sees the problem with working with himself.
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A mission goes completely sideways, and it wasn't as if it was the first time it happened. In fact, in the end, they still fulfilled their objectives... just... not in the way they were supposed to do.
"...are you mad at me?" Bruce asks, fingers holding on to the bat-steering wheel so hard he could swear they were white under his black glove.
If he was with Jason or Dick, he'd know his answer. 'No, I'm not mad. I'm disappointed' because it was a gentle answer. It was the right answer. He was a father, a trying one, at least. He could be gentle. He could be nice.
Tim, however, could not.
"What do you *think*, genius?"
Bruce flinches. It's been a while since he felt the familiar signs of tears in his eyes. He forces himself not to cry. He was a *grown man*, he refused to feel shamed by a 15 year old's scolding - a rough glove strokes at the wetness on his cheek.
Tim sighs. "Bruce, cmon. Don't cry. I promise I'm not mad at you, okay? I just-- I got in a bad mood and it was wrong of me to take it out on you. I'm sorry, okay? You did great, Bruce!" Tim smiles at him.
Bruce hears himself sniffle. *God*. He can't believe he's crying. Tim's eyes widen in a panic. "Hey, hey, cmon! No more tears, big guy! I'll ask Alfred to whip up some of your favorites, how about it? And if he can't do it then we can always just order out, right? What do you want, Bruce?" Tim hits the autodrive and wraps his arms around him.
He cannot believe he's crying in a teenager's arms right now.
"We'll be home in a bit, and you did a great job, I promise. I'm not mad at you, in fact! I'm proud!" Something feels lighter in Bruce's chest. He squishes it down.
Tim takes off Bruce's cowl and strokes his hair. "Repeat after me, I did good. Say it Bruce."
"...I did good." Bruce grumbles, leaning into Tim's touch.
Tim smiles at him teasingly. "Didn't hear you, B. Say it louder."
Bruce frowns. "I did good." He says firmly.
"Good job, B!" Tim laughs.
The batmobile slows to a stop in the cave. "Oh look, we're home." Tim remarks casually, as if he didn't have an armful of a teary grown-up. "Let's go, Bruce. You go wash up while I update the logs."
Bruce nods.
Tim walks off to the computer, and for the first time in a long while, Bruce feels small and happy again.
Fuck. I love how this highlights that Tim wouldn't be a perfect father, especially considering some of his "bad" habits or behaviors. He'd try and he'd correct, but, like all parents, he's bound to mess up every once in awhile. It happens. The best part is that Tim corrects his behavior, admits fault, and tries to make up for it.
Good parenting, Tim! (genuine)
We could add on that Tim is a teenager. Emotions are heightened because puberty is a fucking asshole. So, he may occasionally take his frustrations out on Bruce (in this AU). He may suddenly burst into tears, worrying Bruce, or feel the intense need to scream.
He's not gonna be the best fantastic dad (especially since he really shouldn't be parenting an adult as he's a teen), but he's gonna try.
It'd also be cool to see Tim, in learning to gentle parent, eventually gentle parenting himself and teaching Bruce to utilize the same methods with his kids (also, I can go on a full fucking rant on how it shouldn't be named "gentle parenting" cause it's really "paying forward parenting," but I'm not gonna).
Anyways, the scene you wrote was really sweet and I very much enjoyed it
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imo it's the difference between western and east asian society as a whole, because the west tends to lean more individualist while the east tends to lean more collectivist -> western societal attitudes tend to prioritize the good of the individual, eastern societal attitudes tend to emphasizes the good of the collective, and i think this is also reflected really well to how amane's voting is going rn!!
im not gonna say anything about my own opinions on amane's voting since they're complicated and rn now im not really casting votes on her anyway, but im also not going to be stating that one or the other is the 'correct' way to vote because it's a difference of societal attitudes and therefore saying one or the other is objectively better or worse feels weird to me so i won't do that
(now before i keep going im gonna preface this by saying while im not east asian i am southeast asian just like op and the collectivism does kinda still apply to the society we live in even if it's not as strong as it might be in east asia. take that as you will, it's just a note to say while im trying to be as objective as i can and not be judgemental, unintentional biases might still show through yk)
but basically the way i think the different societal attitudes of individualism vs collectivism with the west and east respecitively applies to amane's voting is that:
-i think a lot of western fans vote innocent on amane because of the western focus on individualism, meaning they think about amane's safety and wellbeing as an individual, (eg. not wanting to cause her more pain since she's already been through so much and doesn't deserve to suffer any more than she alr has)
-meanwhile i think the opposite is true of the eastern fanbase, that a lot of eastern fans vote guilty on amane because of the eastern focus on collectivism, and the good of the group, which leads to them focusing on how amane's verdict will affect the rest of the milgram cast (eg. how her verdict might affect shidou's ability to provide necessary care)
which is not to say that one or the other is correct, or that all western fans and eastern fans vote the same or for those exact reasons. this is kind of a broad generalization after all, and i can see the validity of both sides of the argument. but i just think it's a really interesting thing to observe how societal differences also affects differences in voting patterns, and might explain the difference in voting opinions as well
There's something interesting to be said about the opinions of different fanbases based on culture and how it affects the votes but it's late and I can't write it out too much so only one example for today: amane
Down under the cut so if it gets too long it won't affect anyone's scrollin
Also warning the tags are long on this one
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Basically I think the jp/more asian parts of the fandom tend to lean towards greater good (amane guilty to protect shidou/mahiru/fuuta because if shidous incapacitated in any way someone's dying, mahiru is prone to dying any moment, fuuta is prone to cult mindset rn). Despite my non japanese speaking ass not being able to gather direct evidence for this, I use those surrounding me (asian in asian country) as evidence; namely, how they're mostly amane guilty voters
-Now I'm not saying my personal take but the reason given for guilting her is well. As much as it will cause her more woe it's one way of guaranteeing the safety of the prison. Shidou is the only medical professional after all, and she's "completely hostile" towards him, acc to jackalope. And she doesn't need to overpower him; shes smart, and could sabotage his equipment or just like. Go for his hands to incapacitate him. I doubt he'd fight back.
-Alternatively, it's because it would cause her to fall back on believing she's right. Telling her she's forgiven with how she's acting would cause her to believe her persistance and dedication to this (harmful) mindset is what got her forgiven in the first place
-Meanwhile more western? English fanbase ig I'm not too sure of demographic, but the English speaking side tends to focus on how it affects her. Because of the belief that another guilty verdict will cause more harm to her, an innocent verdict is the obvious solution. What I've seen is the greater focus on what caused the murder over the murder itself and the effects of an innocent verdict on others and then her beliefs. A focus on the past over what she's promised to do in the present and future perhaps. Idk.
-Another reason for the difference could. Possibly be how punishment is viewed? Western countries have much more stigma over any form of punishment but in Asian countries it's normal. Now while I'd say physical punishment isn't the way to go, the refusal of punishment shouldn't be rewarded (imo) but that's all I'll say on it.
-The English fanbase also focuses a lot on how young amane is and how her circumstances were terrible and all that. Those around me tend to focus more on her thoughts around the crime, what she believes the crime was for and how in the right she thinks she is. This may also be the cause of the moral grandstanding I see so often (ie. If you vote amane guilty you're a baaad person) (I don't agree with this btw. That's stupid this is fiction don't insult others over an opinion)
What I will say is the English speaking side is more sympathetic towards amane. They (y'all?) Take her situation into a lot of consideration, and focus on her age as a large factor. Whereas those around me and I assume might be close to the views of the japanese fanbase are more objective, looking at what harm she could cause and what's the greater of the two evils, as well as what she's going to do with the verdict (ie. Use the inno verdict as her doctrines are correct and very right).
There's slight thought given to her age and circumstance of course, by it that's not the main concern rn. Given the current situation, most of my milgram voting friends stay certain that an innocent verdict will not end well, hence the guilty vote. I mean I have a couple friends that feel bad for guiltying her because of her circumstance, but do it anyway cuz it's for the better. My opinion is that she should've been innocent trial one, since we wouldn't have known the concequences, but it's too late now and an innocent will cause more harm overall
tldr asian fanbase from experience focus on the crime itself + what they're gonna do with that experience whereas eng speaking fanbase focus on the circumstances surrounding the crime and on judging only the crime
In myyy opinion. Judging only the crime based on your interpretation isn't how the system should be working, it should take into consideration the prisoners' attitudes and how the prisoner perceives the crime as well.
I hope this was coherent I typed it out at 11pm and went to bed immediately after and I've barely edited anything cuz awake me is less coherent than half asleep me
Also hope this was an interesting post? This topic is interesting to me but I explain better in speaking over typing so it's probably hard to read but I hope this topic scritches y'all's brains like it does mine :)
#which is to say: please be polite to everyone even if they disagree with you!!#like yea i know sometimes you look at a differing opinion and cannot even begin to comprehend what was going through the person's brain#but everyone has their own reasons and sometimes the reason for differing priorities is societal!!#which i think is very cool imo it keeps the voting discussion fun and varied#it's also a fun observation into how the societal expectations and attitudes we grew up in also affect us as individuals!!!! really cool#also hello my lovely mutual i AM adding onto your word vomit post with my own word vomit <3 get word vomited idiot#milgram#amane momose#also part of this is that im actually genuinely surprised how often i see jp twitter users voting amane guilty it was really unexpectedto m#anyways i cannot emphasize enough to please please be polite to everyone and i mean EVERYONE no matter how vehemently you hate their opinio#your opinion is not any better or worse than someone else's!!! & don't assume that the other side isnt considering everything just as deepl#someone could have taken all the exact same considerations into account as you have and still arrived at a different answer#such is the nature of morality!! that's what makes milgram fun imo. everyone in milgram is morally ambiguos and there's no one way#to think about morality and also no one moral standard that is objectively correct#also i agree with everyone who says amane's t2 is akin to the trolley problem#so if we can accept that there's no one right answer to the trolley problem let's all also accept that there's no one right answer to amane#just. play nice with everyone please stop saying the other side is wrong or evil or on a high horse or not thinking with the same clarity#i have a virulent dislike for people like that#whether they vote inno or guilty
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