#any transphobe who wants to keep trans women out of womens sports because 'they have an advantage'

[fandom-hoarder-official]

[chrissy-kaos]

If we're too masculine then we're disgusting freaks. They collect the most masculine of us - innocent women minding their own business trying to live a life that was denied to them - and mock us, openly discussing how nobody could ever love us, how nobody could be fooled that we're women.

If we're too feminine then we're stupid men. They find the most tone deaf quotes from trans girls, usually those who have been out for only months if they're out at all. They find these quotes of girls still learning how to be women, post them everywhere as proof that we are just pantomime caricatures of women.

If we are too strong then we are violent and dangerous. We are an unfair factor in sport, evil men just trying to steal victories from real women. We could lose our temper at any moment. We are a risk that cannot be tolerated. If we're too weak then we are to be mocked. They call us failed men who ran to womanhood because we couldn't take it. We're victims of our own masculinity. Poor feminine men to be saved... In the same way that Republicans want to save those 'poor unborn babies.'

If we lose our temper we're back to dangerous men. But if we cry, if our shoulders buckle under the weight of endless, endless, ENDLESS, ENDLESS, ABUSE. Then they mock us again. They share pictures of trans women crying and laugh over it. Of course they make sure to find the pictures where our stubble is showing, our makeup has already run. It's not the way that women are mocked for weakness; it's the way men are. They find videos where are lips are trembling. Where our voice has gone deep because we don't have the energy to keep it at its heightened octave.

If we find ourselves ugly they mock us. But if we're happy with ourselves then we're disgusting degenerates. "Autogynephilic." Medicalized. They find the tweets of newly out girls who said something improper in their tiny moment of not guarding themselves. An awkward, amateurish attempt at roleplay or dirty talk becomes a meme. A woman who likely spent years growing the courage to begin sexual exploration, probably for the first time in her life, sees herself come up every so often in their replies, their threads, their gifs. What happens to these people? Is it even possible for them to ever resume that exploration?

We're trying to trick everyone into dating us. We should be required to show visible identification on us at all times; to be trans without the people around you knowing is deceit. But also, nobody would ever date us, everyone can tell, immediately, always. Everyone knows, the terfs say GLEEFULLY. Reveling in the idea that our subconscious is constantly telling us this. Basking in the thought of our depression and anxiety eating our minds until there's nothing left.

Even the terfs never stay the same for long. One moment it's a wall of 'concerned mothers' with all the passive-aggressive venom of a white woman calling the police because she doesn't want to put a leash on her dog; make ABSOLUTELY NO MISTAKE that these are the same people. The next it's anime-avatar alt righters. The next it's puritanical Christians claiming we are the natural result of the "rainbow agenda." It's lesbians saying that we're destroying lesbianism, following right on the heels of a pastor saying that anything that isn't a man and a woman is unnatural.

Half the URLs are Mumsnet and half are Kiwifarms. How many are bots? Sock puppets? How many really are just transphobic housewives accessing Kiwifarms from their phones? How many took the full plunge? The answer to all of the above is, we don't know, but it's a whole lot more than zero.

Every time we go into a bathroom, there's a chance we'll be the next screen shot pasted over reddit. It doesn't matter whether it's the men's or women's. They are equally unsafe.

If we need a women's shelter, we flip a coin on whether the person running it has already decided she hates us, because of these people.

We cannot upload a picture to facebook without this risk.

We cannot post about our lives without this risk.

We cannot appear at our work without this risk.

We cannot exist without this risk.

Every possible action we could take will be judged. There is no outcome that isn't negative. There is nothing we can do that isn't negative. Masculinine, feminine, pretty, ugly, angry, sad, sexual, frigid, proud, ashamed, strong, weak. Pre-op, post-op, non-op. Vagina, ovaries, chromosomes, fertility: womanhood is defined as whatever we aren't in that particular context.

I don't want to think about how many people this has killed. To call it a moving goal-post is inept, it is a void, an endless mass of hatred that follows us no matter what we do. Nothing is good enough. Everything, every single thing, is just waiting to be weaponized against us.

It has killed so, so many.

It won't kill any more.

If you're trans and you're reading this you already know everything I said. We've lived through it. You already know that I've spent time as all of the above because you have too. That when I get SIX HUNDRED COMMENTS calling me a man I want to swing my fists and I want to cry and I want to curl into a ball and I want to scream and I want to end my own miserable existence. The ugly beautiful girl in the mirror is so angry and sad and prideful and ashamed and violent and passive and this constant stream of abuse has torn me apart and created so many ugly things in this mind but if there is ONE. FUCKING. THING. THAT. THEY. WILL. NOT. MAKE. ME.

It is dead.

I will live. I will survive. And I don't even care about justice anymore. These people will get away with all this. Somewhere in that mix of the trans population and the infamous 40% number is a figure of how many people they've killed, but they'd never care. I'll live because all of their jeering and mocking and gaslighting and those goddamn fucking insufferable legions of laugh reacts, they don't do a fucking thing.

That's all it comes down to in the end. It's hard and it's painful and it hurts, it just ENDLESSLY hurts to weather their blows. But my name is Alexia. I am a woman.

You can hurt me all you like, but that won't change, and you can die mad about it.

- Lindwyrm Weisseritter

[radlymona]

If you cared about reproductive rights, you should have spent the last few years fighting for them instead of repeating transphobic rhetoric used by conservatives as a wedge issue. 55% of white women in America voted for trump and I think we can attribute a large portion of that to the terf ideology and now instead of taking any accountability for that you'd rather tell people to 4b which is basically a repackaging of telling people to "close their legs" pretending to be feminist. At least when innocent people are dying preventable deaths from pregnancy complications they can rest easy knowing you had fun harassing trans people while you screwed them over.

Ohmygodddd ohymgodddd

The 4B movement is not about telling women to “close their legs”. It’s about women refusing to partner with men out of literal self defence. The loss of reproductive rights in the U.S. means women are being forced to give birth and die from sepsis. The interest that spawned in 4B was because of the fact that women had simply had enough. The fact that men had swung to the right across the board (especially Gen Z men who should be the most progressive of their sex), was a massive signal that they don’t care about women’s rights. Women not wanting to fuck men who neither respect them nor want to fight for their survival is not about telling women to close their legs. It’s about refusing to partner with men who fucking hate us. It’s about our choice, our decision not to be with men not about some morality attached to sex.

I think the fact that 55% of white women who voted for Trump is despicable. Considering that’s round about the percentage that voted for him in the previous two elections, I doubt all that many women voted for him simply because of trans people. Women like Riley Gaines who say they did on that principle, were obviously already deeply conservative. So yeah your “large portion” is fucking bullshit.

The thing is had trans people actually attempted to have a sliver of soliditary with women post election, I was 100% ready to keep my focus well away from them (with the exception of young gnc teenage girls bejng encouraged to be trans and the issue of trans women in womens sports). I really thought trans rights activism was just ultimately going to be a minor issue for me.

And you know what? Approximately 0.5 seconds have women presented an interested in not fucking men, trans women suddenly decried the movement as “transphobic”. The fact that this was added to the goddamn Wikipedia article shows that TRAs have a vested interested in dismantling any feminist movement.

I haven’t harassed any trans person on here. I’ve told people off for being tone deaf in the mass loss of abortion rights!!! In a public forum with my name visible, not as an anon too pathetic to show their account. Not my fault you don’t know the definition of harassment

[princessmadafu]

Crotchdangle

Warning: this post contains my personal LGBTQ+ opinions and is only suitable for grown-ups who have working braincells.

I gave up on British news for a couple of weeks because it was endless Phillip Somebody and Holly Somebody-Else and some breakfast TV show I've never heard of, but now I have to step up with the other news and make my happy fully-on-the-spectrum twinkly LGBTQ+ views clear. I fully understand if no-one wants to like this post out of fear of death threats from the vociferous crotchdangle supporter community.

I'm quite masculine but definitely a biological female - and I have the undercarriage scars from pushing out a 10 lb 12 oz baby to prove it. I just don't want to walk into a womens' changing room and see male crotchdangle swinging around.

It's as offensive as receiving unsolicited d*ckpicks.

I don't want to see unsolicited crotchdangle.

Transwomen without crotchdangle are fine, I don't find them in any way threatening. Gay men with crotchdangle are equally fine, and they've always treated me as an equal. Little story - The first time I ever got a good look at crotchdangle was at Uni in the early 1980s, at a party with my gay best friend - I was puking in the kitchen sink and he need a wee so we "emitted" together. He held my hair up. And we both cleaned the sink afterwards. Together.

Here's another little life experience from my time on the farm in France. Daddy Bull (male) and Mummy Cow (female) love each other very much, for about five seconds - it's very quick. Mummy Cow gets pregnant, gives birth and lactates. For every calf, Mummy Cow spends two years of her life being pregnant, lactating and recovering; Daddy Bull's contribution to this is five seconds of squirt!

Two years for female Mummy Cow; five seconds of squirt for male Daddy Bull.

This is the biological reality of life.

Male-on-female abuse is a reality. I suffered it personally as a child.

You won't stop male-on-female abuse by letting males identify as females and wear lipstick and dresses and high heels and then let them wave their crotchdangle at us in total disrespect.

If you have crotchdangle, keep it to yourself.

Oh and also, stop invading women's sports like you're some kind of trailblazing heroines.

You're not.

If you were, there'd be transmen trailblazing in men's sports. And there aren't. You're only sh*tting on women.

Genuine gender dysphoria needs to be respected and to have a sympathetic medical approach from properly qualified doctors. It doesn't need thugs in masks threatening and abusing people for standing up for female rights. I adore Caitlyn Jenner and Suzy Eddie Izzard. They are the Nice Side of Trans. Full respect to them. I'm not transphobic, I just hate thugs with crotchdangle invading my privacy.

Two years versus five seconds of squirt, remember?

[incognitoradicale]

honestly the thing is no matter what I will ultimately do, whether it is detransitioning (and to what extent) or not, whether I will call myself just feminist,radfem, marxfem or whatever is something I can not foresee,just as I never saw myself 5 years ago in the position I am now. Maybe I will have gone back to using my birth name and will have changed legal documents and whatnot. Maybe I will stay as I am now - but acknowledge my femaleness nonetheless.

What I do think right now is that the trans movement as a whole is at a massive crossroads and needs a reality check and not just mindless validation at the cost of hurting women but realism.

I personally do believe that sex dysphoria does exist and transition can, I want to emphasize the word CAN, canbe a valid treatment. But to deny any of the facts of sex based oppression that women face and to be like 'dont question the science' validation cult bs while the science is still being evaluated and is subject to change is stupid and the fact that even that can already get you labeled transphobic and whatnot aggravates me. I personally do not think children should access medical treatment and lockdown coming outs have especially shown me how there needs to be a system to make sure people really explore and don't just make hasty decisions (as someone from Germany it was shocking for me to read how easily Americans can access hrt or surgeries while also intentionally being kept in the dark about its effects,here it is slowly being loosened which I dislike but it is much more rigorous here). I think prisons and sports are extremely important subjects, and not just sidelines. I think it is important to center women's feelings in these aspects and not keep them unsafe just to validate some feelsies.

To suppress any conversation,any debate on the topic of transgender because of fears of "hurt" (speaking from personal experience here, in the local left scene there was a debate of exactly that) to see if there is a way to find common ground instead of just hurling insults (which funnily enough,those who accused the speaker of transphobia did,they just hurled insults and accusations)

Ultimately,in an ideal society that we have not yet achieved, the patriarchy and as one of the forms of it gender (which I understand a system of oppression of women) does not exist. Bodies will be appreciated in their natural form. But the thing is,we are not there yet. The world is yet subject to change and I have a feeling the next few years will be crucial.

I don't know if I will look back at this in the future and think "Jesus was I naive". I am still growing and learning.

What I am thinking right now is "Jesus fuck please sleep"

[aikoiya]

So this is their profile. A TERF (You may know what that acronym means, but I don’t want to assume) is an acronym for Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist. That, in my opinion, is nothing anyone with a mindful heart and compassion and empathy for people in general should ever strive to be. It’s not a nice thing to be, never has been.

Aikoiya: But, how do we know that they are explicitly transphobic & not just concerned for the erasure & marginalization of women? After all, have not women also been marginalized & oppressed? At what point does acceptance of others encroach upon one’s own rights?

I agree that the regular everyday trans individual should be treated with respect, but I also don’t believe that affirmation should come at the cost of other people’s safety or the erasure of their efforts. No matter what you do, there will always be rotten evil people out there in every category of people & safety should always come first. I’ve seen more supposedly trans individuals using such status to do some truly disgusting things than I want to believe.

There seems to be this general assumption that being trans somehow erases one’s biological sex or, at least, certain attributes of one’s biological sex. The truth of the matter is that it doesn’t. There will always be evidence of who they were & that’s true even of those not trans & simply wishing to live a new life. Some things just follow you forever & there’s nothing you can do about it. Should be simply ignore such things in regards to something that would be directly affected by them for the sake of feelings or should we treat the situation with nuance & care?

I, personally, think that there is an increasing issue in women’s sports of transwomen beating out biological women these days.

Consider Lia Thomas & Anne Andres.

https://www.outsports.com/trans/2022/3/1/22948400/transgender-trans-athlete-championship-national-world-title

However, I’ve heard little to no news of transmen demanding to be let into men’s spaces or to be a part of men’s sports. So why are transwoman so vocal about it?

For instance, take into account Quinn. Who is biologically female, but is both trans & non-binary, yet chooses to play on the women’s soccer team.

There’s also the issue of transwomen demanding to be put into women’s prisons. There have been claims of transwomen raping their inmates. Some even getting said victims pregnant. Should we still continue to allow transwomen into women’s prisons despite it possibly putting women in danger?

If so, then aren’t you putting the comfort of one criminal before the literal health & safety of another? And if you think these things aren’t happening, then you truly have an idealized idea of a singular group of individuals.

Just because someone is traumatized doesn’t mean they won’t visit similar trauma upon others. That’s the entire basic premise of abusive parenting, in that it is a cycle of pain that keeps going until someone decides to end it. Though, not everyone is going to decide to end it, some rather taking the easy route that makes them feel good in the moment.

Are trans individuals somehow immune to such tendencies simply by virtue of being trans?

Question is: Do you believe that being transgender automatically make someone incapable of any form of evil? Does it make them without any wickedness or selfishness or cruelty in their hearts simply because they are of a marginalized group?

For instance, Eli Erlick, has boasted openly, meaning that he admitted to it, about dealing cross-sex hormones, including puberty blockers, to kids. Yet, he has not been convicted. And if he were, do you suggest that he go to a male prison where there are convicted male rapists who would love nothing more than a new person to use however they wish, regardless of what his orientation is?

3 other questions: Do you believe there to be a biological difference between males & females? And if not, then why would people need to transition to begin with?

Also, do you consider gender a social construct & capable of change, while sex is biological & concrete, being incapable of true change? If so, why try to change something immutable for the sake of something mutable?

If you wish to hate & despise me for these thoughts, I will not blame you, but I try to see an argument from both sides & I can understand why some of the less radical of such individuals see things the way they do.

I only ask that you simply block me.

Just know that these thoughts do not come out of hatred, rather concern & a desire for safety for others.

[ragchaser]

PSA

it's ok to disagree with the 'mainstream' narrative, your not an -ist or a phob

It just means you have common sense and a working brain

I'll start

Dylan Mulvane is a man in a woman's costume

America has become a brainwashed crippled state of its former self

Riley Gaines is a hero for women's sports

Trans woman shouldn't be in women's sports,spaces and/or jails

I think we should have trans categories in sports and in jails

If you have to have you gender and identity CONSTANTLY validated, you need help

Keep your personal life out of your mouth when teaching children

If you need validation from children, you need to be on a list

NOT ALL TRANS WOMEN ARE IDENTIFYING AS WOMEN IN GOOD FAITH, THERE ARE PREDATORS WHO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS

LEARN THIS:

autogynephilia

When a man gets off on the idea of being a woman.

No one deserves reparations, for people who died 2-4 hundred years ago

Losing weight,working out and eating healthy is not 'fatphobic'

Labels aren't a personality

Cis is now a slur, you people have made it that way, blame yourselves(you know who you are)

There are 2 genders, that's it

Calling out fake disorders is a good thing

You are not a racist for disagreeing with a colored person

You are not transphobic for disagreeing with a trans person

It's ok to be white, just like its ok to be any other race

Just because your white doesn't mean your racist

Being color blind is ok

You are not a bigot for disagreeing with lunacy

You do not have to change your vocabulary because someone wants to feel special

STOP BENDING THE TRUTH, BIOLOGY IS REAL, YOU ARE NOT 'ASSIGNED' A GENDER YOU ARE IDENTIFIED AS A GENDER,

ALLOW CHILDREN TO GO THROUGH PUBERTY, DO NOT GIVE ANY CHILD PUBERTY BLOCKERS

STOP GROOMING CHILDREN

STOP HAVING DRAG SHOWS IN FRONT OF CHILDREN, YOU DISGUSTING PERVERTS

NO ONE IS TAKING ANY ONES RIGHTS AWAY AND NO GENOCIDE IS HAPPENING, IF YOU THINK THIS IS HAPPENING YOU NEED TO RESTART YOUR BRAIN

STOP ERASING WOMAN

IF YOU ARE AN ADULT, GO AHEAD AND DO WHATEVER YOU WANT, STOP MAKING DECISIONS ON THIS SUBJECT FOR CHILDREN

PUBERTY BLOCKERS DO NOT 'PAUSE' PUBERTY

A CHILDS WORDS ARE NOT GOSPEL

GET OUT OF LALA LAND AND GET BACK INTO REALITY

[leandra-kinard]

Three things to consider. The first: Lesbians do in fact support Trans people. Not all would date trans women and that is okay. Those lesbians you refer to are in fact het women who are "political lesbians" who hate penis. They are married to men, for fucks sake. The whole "lesbians get attacked" point is a TERF talking point thats simply made up by TERFs. The second: The Anti Trans movement in sports is targeting cis women, many of them black, because of their natural testosterone levels. The anti trans campaigns in sports hurts cis women. Hurts cis girls who have to prove to their school teachers that their girls by showing their genitals. You think that's needed? Lastly: The Nazis came for the trans people first, before they started to persecute the Jews. TERFs are fascists. Simple as that. They dont care about protecting women. They care about taking bodily autonomy from people. Step one in the oppression playbook. You might think you're being nuanced, but you repeat disproven points from people who quote Hitler at their rallies. Please keep reading.

I would have said this is the most hilarious twisting of facts since the invention of homeopathy, but then you mentioned that last bit. I guess Hitler had 6 m Jews killed as collateral just so he could get rid of a handful of transvestites (using the historical term here since gender reassignment treatments were mostly unheard of back then). Sure, that makes sense.

Wow.

For my followers in case it interests you. The issue with sport that women have is precisely what has been twisted in the statement. Testosterone levels alone don't say shit because there are biological females with naturally high levels of them. Those levels have a more marginal effect than what a male body grew into (through male puberty), namely bigger bones and muscles (that don't go away simply from taking estrogen), bigger heart and lung. Here's an interesting albeit long video interview held by former (democratic!) presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard with one of the women that competed against Lia Thomas.

Also, the first claim is truly hilarious, because I happen to have heard from actual lesbians countless of times that they were pressured and bullied, and the internet is full of receipts of that. Here's a good article about it. I mean, just google "genital preferences transphobic" and you'll find tons of people claiming it is. And well, maybe listen to actual lesbians and their experiences with the matter.

Women say they've been harassed, threatened, slandered, pressured, and all that, and you have nothing better to do than saying it isn't happening.

I get wanting to defend trans people and trans rights, but here's the interesting bit: if you're a dysphoric person who simply wants to live their life, get the best possible treatment (including transition if that's the path that works best for you); if you respect women and girls, then the issue women like JK Rowling and others have is NOT with you. Genuine transgender/transsexuals were never the target of any of this. It was always about people abusing the system (self ID laws), most of all auto-gynephile men or men who simply make shit up to get into women's spaces, push women out of theirs, and steal their achievements. If you bothered to read what JK wrote or listen to her podcast, or listen to people working for The Lesbian Project like Kathleen Stock, you'd know this. Many (older) trans people know this and are arguing for the same things!

What your side (the extreme/extremist trans activism) does is essentially harming your own cause. Because, unlike LGB people and educated feminists, the regular people out there who are not inside the "queer" bubble are fed up with it. They are jumping to the chance to actually hate and harass trans people over this — over abusers and fakers having taken over the narrative and the course of activism, having pushed LGB out of the community and out of the focus of the public eye.

When people like JK Rowling started to speak up, we should have banded together to fight that abuse and educate on it. Because both women and trans people (genuinely dysphoric trans people) are vulnerable minorities with some overlap of interests. Historically, we've been allies.

It's not us who abandoned the cause, it's you who decided to die on the hill of defending the chosen identities of rapists (Women forced by courts to refer to rapists’ preferred pronouns), of condoning activism that is violent and abusive (Vancouver Rape Relief targeted), and of very obvious males obliterating women in sports.

And in all of this, you have little to no compassion for detransitioners, calling them either a rare outlier or fake, while they were so warmly welcomed into your communities as long as they identified as trans. But that's a very long topic, and I'm already late to get ready for work.

[fanonical]

Even look in the notes of this post — all this post did was ask “hey, why are you all getting so defensive about this movie? Why won’t you hear trans girls out?” and of course everybody and their grandma has to jump into the replies to say their personal take on the movie and why it isn’t transphobic to have the thesis statement of your film be “barbie should be a real woman, not just a doll, and real women have vaginas!”

you can argue all you want, you can say “the film didn’t say EVERY woman has to have a vagina” wel no it didn’t literally say that, but when Barbie is rewarded with personhood, literally the singular only exploration we get of that is one joke about her having specifically a vagina. If you don’t have any film analysis skills, you can say “oh I think that’s just the punchline to an ongoing gag throughout the film” all you want but even that is ignoring what trans girls don’t like about this film:

the genitalia jokes aren’t funny. they are really poorly chosen, and YES, they are transphobic. When the guy is hitting on Barbie and she says “I Don’t Have A Vagina!” why is that funny? is it just funny because she’s a toy? does the guy she’s saying that to think she’s a toy? No. The joke is that if a woman said that in real life, the guy would think she is a trans woman. I know because this has happened to me and almost every trans woman I know.

The other thing I keep hearing is “Greta Gerwig just wanted to destigmatize going to the gynaecologist” and that’s a totally noble goal…….when you aren’t doing it in a way that implies vaginas equate to womanhood. Barbie could’ve gone for a GP check up. A colonoscopy. If the film had ended with Barbie going to get an ultrasound, then people would get mad and say that it implies motherhood is the next step of womanhood — so why is it okay when we imply womanhood is only cis women?

Everybody just keeps saying, “you’re crazy, it’s just a joke, it isn’t meant to be transphobic,” but that totally ignores that the status quo IS TRANSPHOBIC, most cis people ARE transphobic, and Greta Gerwig has a long directorial history of only making movies about conventionally attractive white cisgender skinny women.

Barbie is asking for my money. They put a transgender Barbie in the film (Hari Nef) for about ten seconds so they could feel comfortable saying “Barbie can be sold to every girl” and now people are getting mad that I don’t like the transphobic joke at the ending because it’s “just a joke?” — nah man, where I’m from we call that “victim blaming”

Right now, we are in a unique position in world history where mostly everybody knows what trans people are, and there’s an enormous mass panic surrounding specifically trans girls, about how we can’t be women because we don’t reach the definition, and thus can’t play sports, use bathrooms, get medicine, be operated on by doctors etc etc. The anti-trans movement, which i KNOW you all know about, is led by a hategroup (terfs) who specifically rally around vaginas as Thee symbol for womanhood. Do you not think with that context that it doesn’t really matter whether Gerwig was joking or not, because it still deeply leans towards a terf view of womanhood at a time when trans women’s rights are being stripped from us literally daily in most countries on earth. It was at best a totally inappropriate & transphobic way to the end the movie, but in all honesty, it totally aligns Greta Gerwig with the transphobic status quo.

Gerwig has been quoted in every interview again and again and again and again that Barbie is about the female experience, what it means to be a woman — for literally the ending of the movie to sum this up with “well, Barbie’s a real woman now so obviously she has a vagina” is just transphobic. If you “don’t see it that way” then I’m sorry, but you’re speaking over trans girls to enjoy a movie that nobody is going to remember in a few years…. is it worth being just another defensive TME person throwing hands with trans girls? Is that the hill you wanna die on? Really?

I just thought people cared more :/

The fact that people just get aggressive & defensive when you mention that the new Barbie film’s ending is deeply transphobic only goes to illustrate the point further: if you just disagreed, wouldn’t you at least want to hear trans girls out? Why are people so willing to point at us and say we’re just whining about nothing; why is it a stretch to believe that one of the most notoriously lukewarm milquetoast white cis liberal feminist female directors has some garbage opinions about trans people? Why are you so ready to overlook literally anything w have a problem with just because it’s fun?

It’s because you don’t actually care.

[that-disabled-radfem]

Happy back-to-school y’all

I’ve attended and worked at a couple of super liberal universities. I avoid the gender studies departments for obvious reasons and I still had a lecture in which the female prof gave a brief overview of TERFs and proclaimed her hatred of JKR. Being openly critical of gender ideology, the porn industry, kinks, and ‘sex work’ are the kind of things that can ruin your future in academia. Not to mention the fact that any speech or actions that could be labelled transphobic (ie. defining woman as adult human female) can get you a suspension according to many universities anti-hate-speech policies. 

So, here’s a list of small and smallish (small in terms of overt TERFery, some may require more effort than others) radical feminist actions you can take as a university student:

(this is a liberal arts perspective so if you’re a stem gal this may not apply. but also if you’re in stem maybe you can actually acknowledge that women are oppressed as a sex class without getting kicked out of school. idk)

(Note for TRAs hate reading this: One of the core actions of radical feminism is creating female networks. This is not so that we can brainwash people into being anti-trans. This is because female solidarity is necessary for creating class consciousness and overturning patriarchy. It is harder to subjugate the female sex when we stand together.)

Take classes with female profs. Multiple sections of a class? Pick the one taught by a woman. Have to chose an elective? Only look at electives offered by women. When classes have low numbers they get cancelled. When classes are super popular, universities are forced to consider promoting the faculty that teach them

Make relationships with these female profs. Go to office hours. Chat after class. Ask them about their research. Building female networks is sooooo important!

Actually fill in your end of year course feedback forms. Profs often need these when applying for tenure or applying for a job at another university so it is very important (especially with young and/or new profs) that you fill out these forms and give specific examples of how great these women are. Go off about what you love about them! Give her a brilliant review because you know the idiot boy in that class who won’t shut up even though he knows nothing is going to give her only negative feedback because he thinks any woman who leaves the house is a feminazi b*tch. 

(note: obviously don’t go praising any prof - female or male - who is blatantly racist, homophobic, etc.)

(Also if you have shitty male profs write down all the horrible things they have done and said and put it in these forms because once a shitty man gets tenure they are virtually untouchable)

(also also, leave a good review on rate my profs or whatever other thing students use to figure out if they want to take classes. idc if you copy paste your feedback from the formal review. rave about the class to your friends. do what you can to get good enrolment for that prof for reasons above.)

Participate in class. Talk over the male students. Say what you mean and mean it. Call out the boys when they say dumb shit

Write about women. If you have the option to make a text written by a woman your primary text in an essay, do it. Pick the female-centred option if you’re writing an exam-essay with multiple prompts. (Profs often look at what works on their syllabus are being written about/engaged with as a marker of whether to keep those texts the next time they teach the class. If there are badass women on your syllabus, write about them to keep them on the syllabus) Use female-written secondary sources whenever possible. 

(pro tip: many women in academia are more than happy to talk to you about their papers. expand your female networks by reaching out to article authors through email and asking them about their cool shit)

Get your essays published! Many departments have undergrad journals you can publish in. This will ensure more people read about the women you write about and will demonstrate to the department that people like learning about women

Consider trying to publish your undergrad essay with a legit peer-reviewed journal. If you can do it, your use of female-written secondary sources boosts the reputations of the women who wrote those secondary sources. Also this helps generally to increase scholarship about women’s writing!

Present your papers at conferences! Many schools have their own undergraduate/departmental conferences that you can present at. Push yourself by submitting to outside conferences. Bring attention to women’s works by presenting your papers. Take a space at a conference that would otherwise be reserved for mediocre men

Talk to your profs and/or your department and/or your university about mandating the inclusion of female works in classes if this isn’t something they do already

Sit next to other women in your classes. Talk to them. Make friends. Form study groups. Proofread each other’s essays. Give each other knowing looks when the boys are being dumb. Just interact with other women! Build those female networks!

Be generous with your compliments. A female classmate and I were talking to a prof after class and the classmate told me (out of the blue) that I always have such interesting things to say. I think about that whenever I’m lacking confidence about my academic skills. Compliment the women in your classes for speaking up, for sharing their opinions, for challenging your classmates/profs, for doing cool presentations, etc.

Talk to other women about sexist things going on on campus. Make everyone aware of the sexist profs. Complain about how there are many more tenured men than tenured women. Go on rate my professor and be explicit about how the sexist profs are sexist

Be active on campus and in societies. If a society has an all male executive or is male-dominated, any women who join that society make it less intimidating for more women to join. Run for executive positions! Bring in more women! 

(Pro tip: Many societies’ elections are super gameable. You can be eligible to vote in a society election sometimes just by being a student at that university — even without having done anything with the society before. Other societies might just require that you’ve taken a class in a particular department or attended a society event. (Check the society’s governing documents.) Use those female networks you’ve been building. If you can bring three or four random people to vote for you, that might be enough for you to win. Societies have trouble meeting quorum (the minimum number of people in attendance to do votes) so it is really super achievable to rig an election with a few friends. And don’t feel bad about this. The system is rigged against women so you have every right to exploit loopholes!)

(Also feel free to go vote “non-confidence”/“re-open election” if only shitty men are running. Too often people see that only candidates they don’t like are running and so they give up. But you can actually stop them getting elected)

Your campus may have a LGBTQIA+alphabetsoup society. That society definitely needs more L and B women representation. It may be tedious to argue with the nb straight dudes who insist that it’s fine to use “q***r” in the society’s posters and that attraction has nothing to do with genitals, but just imagine what could happen if we could make these sorts of societies actually safe spaces for same-sex attracted women and advocated for our concerns

Attend random societies’ election meetings. Get women elected and peace out. (or actually get involved but I’m trying to emphasize the lowest commitment option with this one)

Write for the campus newspaper. Write about what women are doing - women’s sports, cool society activities, whatever. Review female movies, books, tv shows, local theatre productions. Write about sexism on campus. We need more female by-lines and more stories about women

Get involved with your campus’s sexual assault & r*pe hotline/sexual assault survivor’s centre/whatever similar organization your campus has if you can. This is hard work and definitely not for everyone (pls take care of yourself first, especially if you are a survivor)

(If your campus doesn’t have an organization for supporting survivor’s of sexualized violence, start one! This is probably going to be a lot of hard work though, so don’t do it alone)

Talk to your student council about providing free menstrual hygiene products on campus if your campus doesn’t already do this. If your campus provides free condoms (which they probs do), use that as leverage (ie. ‘sex is optional, menstruation is not. so why do we have free condoms and no free pads?’)

If you’re an older student, get involved with younger students (orientation week and such activities are good for this). Show the freshman that you can be a successful and well-liked woman without shaving your legs, wearing heels, wearing make-up, etc. Mentor these young women. Offer to go for coffee or proofread essays. 

Come to class looking like a human being. Be visibly make-up less, unshaven, unfeminine, etc. to show off the many different ways of being a woman

Talk to the custodial staff and learn their names. (I know there are men who work in this profession, but it is dominated by low-income women) Say hi in the hallways, ask them about their lives, show them they’re appreciated

Be explicit with your language. When you are talking about sex-based oppression, say it. Don’t say ‘sex worker’ when you mean survivor of human trafficking. This tip is obviously a bit tricky in terms of overt TERFyness, so use your best judgement

That’s all from me for now! Feel free to add your suggestions and remember that feminism is about action

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Debunking ‘gender identity’ by gender ≠ sex.

Having gender identity may seem noble divergence from our gender rigid society, the solution to stop such and embrace self-expression.

However after examining it through, ‘gender identity’ the way the ideology says doesn’t really exist and actually still perpetuates gender conformity.

And no, there’s no need for “there’s only two sexes” or any science  argument at all to disprove gender identity. Gender ideology so f l a w e d that it can do it perfectly itself out of any of above the fastest just by Gender ≠ sex.

You probably read many things that try to disprove gender and thought it was wrong or outdated that scientist have discover there’s people with XXXY.

But after reading this, If it doesn’t peak you or at least make you question gender, then i honestly really don’t know what will other than to call you deluded.

What is Gender

Gender ≠ sex is the essential foundation of gender.

To order to know the difference, we need to know what individually each are.

Gender is a social construct

Gender Identity

Gender expression

That means.

Sex is a physical construct

Sex

Sexual orientation

The first thing that instantly break Gender ≠ sex

“Sex is not binary, Sex is a spectrum or intersex exist”

That already outed you as a hypocrite especially when responding to “there’s only two sexes” saying that they’re conflating sex and gender.

Why should sex being binary or not be relevant to gender identity?

LGB and T are antithetical.

Since Gender ≠ Sex, LGB and T shouldn’t be consider one.

Sexuality is a Sexual orientation not a gender orientation, to suggest it means gender too is conflation.

For a trans-woman to say they’re lesbian or a trans-man to say they’re gay is incorrect & impossible because they’re straight. Gender identity doesn’t shift sexuality status because they’re separate things and to suggest so is homophobic. For a trans to say that invalidates their identity is another conflation of gender and sex.

LGB is a sex-based group while T is a gender-based group. One’s based on sexual attraction and the other is based on changing gender, they are absolutely nothing alike.

‘Cis’ is enough entitlement to be trans exclusive.

Terfs don’t like being called ‘Cis’

But let’s say they drop the belief that “transwomen aren’t real women” and say “transwomen aren’t ciswomen” and want spaces of their own

They put the ‘Cis’ prefix 

Cis woman schools

Cis woman attracted

Cis woman bathroom

Cis woman sports

Cis woman locker rooms

Cis woman administrator 

Cis woman health

Cis women history

etc.

Instead of saying “only women can breastfeed” they use “only AFAB can breastfeed”.

According to TRA logic, all that would be valid.

To for one to say that’s segregation, you would also have to believe separation of men and women or other types groups is segregation as well. A Cis person doesn’t have the trans experience and that goes the other way around.

‘Transwo/man’ is transphobic itself.

Gender ≠ Sex physical transitioning would be a conflation.

If it’s not a conflation, that would imply that physical features are social constructs which includes reproduction, sexuality etc.

Gender is a social construct, all you need to be a gender is identify.

Gender dysphoria is only a social dysphoria, if it’s about the physical then it’s really sex dysphoria. To say it isn’t is conflation.

But even identifying as a ‘wo/man’ itself also is transphobic because the meaning behind it is sex base.

the definition of wo/man.

Adult human fe/male being

What does fe/male mean?

(Female) of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) which can be fertilized by male gametes.

(Male) of or denoting the sex that produces small, typically motile gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring.

One can go down in the definition to point that it also means this.

Relating to wo/men or the fe/male gender.

To say wo/man in the definition also refer to gender, isn’t that a conflation and breaking Gender ≠ Sex? My oh my so many usage of the word conflation.

Gender identity.

Non-binary is not a gender, nothing of it say it’s a gender. It’s just non-binary of something which is usually assumed of not being man or woman. But not being a man or woman doesn’t say of what it is only of what it is not. If the binary part is something else that mean a person who identifies as a woman or man (including cis) can be considered non-binary. Non-binary is really just a slot. 

So far the solid identifies are

Man

Woman

Neutrois

Queer

Agender 

Androgyne is both man and woman. Genderqueer wo/man is both of queer and wo/man. Pangender is all.

Everything else is either a flux, degree, combination of the above or based on a different concept. Things like such as bigender are umbrella because it doesn’t specify if it’s man or woman or something else.

That being said, the only one that’s truly gender non-conformist is agender. Queer is still gender conforming just not to man or woman.

What are the distinctive qualities of each identity?

It’s said that gender expression is different than identity and that someone who identifies as a boy can be very feminine still.

So we’re not gonna use association of masculinity, femininity etc. to define it then.

So what identity mean is it’s usually answered as someone’s ‘personal sense.’

If it’s a personal sense that mean it would be mean it’s a personal construct.

Personal or social construct regardless, it doesn’t say the characteristics. If you can’t point out what to define the labels become hallow. 

There’s many things that aren’t concrete that can show one it’s existence.

An abstract thing like 1, can present it’s existence.

A thing we cannot fully see of like the 4D can present it’s existence.

Even pseudo scientific like zodiacs signs have specific qualities to describe, personality types and even religion has something to define.

In the means of gender, all the identities really sums down to meaningless labels. In the means of sex, the word woman or man are names for physical characteristics that is observed at birth. 

Problem with “assigned gender identity at birth”

No one was “assigned” at birth, “cis” people don’t match what their doctors assign. Assign word implies duty and a job. Assign is often a thing that doesn’t always taking what the subject is to account, for example you being assigned to a seat is sometimes random and not based your rowdiness or attentiveness. 

The doctor characterised people a ‘wo/man’ based on observing them. Woman and Man are distinguisher (just like fruits and veggies) of physical characteristics.

People are assigned a gender expression at life.

Gender identity doesn’t exist other than being a label, gender identity is based on sex hence that label. What’s assigned is actually gender expression.

What Society does

(Biology) Sex → gender identity ↓ ←gender expression (Society)

↓ Gender identity → gender roles

What TRAs think to solve it

gender identity ←gender expression (society)

Gender identity → gender roles

Sex ← gender identity (society)

Sex Ⓧ gender identity (society)

Sex → gender identity (different)

↓ gender identity (different) → sex → society → expression = gender roles

What Gender critical think to solve it

Sex → gender identity → gender expression→ society = gender roles

Putting it to perspective

Whenever GC say this:

Sex → gender identity

This is how TRAs view it:

gender identity ←gender expression (society)

Gender identity → gender roles

Sex ← gender identity (society)

↓ 

Sex → gender identity = gender roles

and thus GC = society pushing gender norm

and the TRA misses this:

→ gender expression→ society = gender roles

Gender ideology pushes gender conformity, just in backwards.

Society enforces femininity on women and masculinity on men to maintain a heteronormative hierarchy aka patriarchy. 

Gender ideology is a patriarchal chest play to keep people from actually breaking such status quo by putting the gender role but backwards.

Societal gender roles

Women must be feminine

Men must be masculine

Gender ideology

Feminine is woman

Masculine is man

Neither is non-binary

Anything else it’s a new gender

‘Cis’ means comfortable of the societal gender role

‘Trans’ means not comfortable of societal gender role

GRA say expression is different from identity to hide the fact that it in a way still pushes gender conformity. They confuse the names for physical characteristics ‘wo/man’ as entire gender construct and expression. 

Here’s the damage Gender ideology does.

So far GRA activist blur what sex and gender is, despite their gender ≠ sex.

Blurring gender and sex create problems for the LGB and women, by making anyone able to appropriates them by identification and transing so long as they feel it, remember these two groups are on the oppressed side. There isn’t even a qualification (not even dyphoria) to be considered trans. Growing kids & teen are getting into this as well ruining their bodies, ask yourselves how are they old enough to block puberty but not drink alcohol?

People’s motivation for why they want to of certain gender is not look thorough enough. 

People in general again who again don’t fit with gender norms

Women with internal misogyny/trauma

Gay/Lesbian with internal homophobia/trauma

Men who want more access to women for misogynistic reasons.

You cannot ever feel something you cannot comprehend.

And you cannot ever comprehend not feeling it.

One’s thought of feeling or not like a boy/girl comes were form by the brain cells of XX or XY chromosome or whatever.

Here’s a color analogy i have to show case the difference between one who feels like wo/man vs someone who actually is.

Identifying as one.

Actually being one.

The gender dysphoric pandemic

The correct word for what people mean by gender dysphoria would be sex dysphoria people who are dysphoric of their physical sex body.

Sometimes transsexual need mechanical intervention to relief their sex dysphoria.

Most people who are ‘trans’ aren’t transsexual as that is rare and projecting the gender dysphoria to their bodies instead should be towards society. There’s some types of transwomen who have autogynephilia (reverse heterosexuality, which is nothing wrong in of itself but alot of them are doing bad with it) are motivated by sexuality and is projecting that thing of wanting to become the opposite sex.

Gender dysphoria

A lot of people in the world have gender dysphoria some in more degree than others. 

Many movement where brought out because of gender dyshoria 

LGB because gender roles often link to heteronormative.

Feminism/Women’s rights including the ‘Terfs’ is a inherently gender dysphoric movement.

Gender criticals are inherently gender dysphoric.

What trans movement doing is conflating gender dysphoria with sex dysphoria but they are actually perpetuating gender norms.

The only gender construct that matters is identity which is woman or man because that exist to distinguish people of certain biological characteristics. “Masculinity” and “Femininity” isn’t real, they’re just many expressions boxed into one or the other enforce to people into gender roles which are by large hierarchy called patriarchy. If there is natural patterns that’s sex behavior.

Most people in the trans community aren’t bad, they’re being exploited by the people who are bad. The people who are bad are motivated to destroy children, LGB and women’s rights, depressedly under all this is essentially a men’s right movement but left wing. We need to take those men (and few women) with evil intent to account now.

Right leaning and traditional etc. people role in this whole thing. 

Conservative/traditionalist/religious people who claim to be gender critical, are most of times far from it and are in fact gender rights activist but trans critical that’s the only different between them and the bad trans people above. The trans movement is mostly a side-effect and these people are kinda the reason for it. Gender roles are toxic considering that people especially have to resort in changing their bodies for not fitting in and the gender ideology is a outlet. 

So it’s pure insanity conservative/traditionalist/religious people to keep insisting that be men masculine and women be feminine and that’s it’s all fine and fail to acknowledge, comprehend or disregard people who are gender dysphoric to those roles (feminism being the biggest example) making them seem pathological abnormalities when complaining about them. 

There’s truly a lot of people who are non-conformist but were too scared to be themselves because people like them and it has been rampant for thousand of years. They use not seeing alot of them as prove to enforce their patriarchal rhetoric.

Conclusion

What people need to talk about is their gender dysphoria (but not ideology kind) but of the roles in society. Let transsexuals be their own group without the gender nonsense in peace. We need start embracing gender non-conformity without needing to change our biological identity.

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A Little Horrifying Primer on Transphobes

Some time ago, I put together a Little Fact Checking Primer on Trans People, as a basic resource for disabusing people of some of the many completely ridiculous yet absurdly widespread beliefs about trans people that simply have no basis whatsoever in reality. And wouldn’t you know it, every single lie exposed in that primer is not only still widely believed, but is presently being used as a basis to sign some absolutely horrific human rights abuses into law. So it’s high time I follow that up, in this case focused more on who keeps actively spreading these lies and why. I’m going to try and keep things as light as I can here, but we’re going to be looking at the most monstrous side of human nature, so apologies in advance if this is a dark read.

First, let me just note that there are two things I don’t plan to do in this piece. I’m not going to waste time debunking the arguments of the people I’m highlighting (much of this is already covered in my earlier primer, others have done the work in cases where I haven’t, and frankly these people’s claims should be self-evidently utter nonsense to begin with). I am also going to be very selective in what I link to, or even share related images of, as I would frankly not like to fill a post on a blog I generally try to keep safe for all audiences with media directly dealing with, for instance, child sexual assault, and much of the relevant information also involves stochastic terrorism against innocent people, and I would prefer not to throw more fuel onto such fires.

Transphobes lie constantly, about everything.

To some degree this is obvious. We’re talking about people who scaremonger about the possibilities of trans women dominating competitive sports and assaulting people in restrooms, despite the status quo already reflecting the conditions they insist would make these inevitibilities for decades and centuries respectively, and their grim visions never once having come to pass, and also constantly insisting that the woman in the photo below is actually a man, going further to say this is evident to anyone giving her the merest glance.

It goes beyond that though. There’s at least a little plausible deniablity in claims like this, or that “science is on their side” if they were simply uninformed about the world they live in, never actually looking into what laws exist, what science actually says, and never actually meeting a trans person or even seeing a picture of one of us. I’m talking really bold lies here. Like wholecloth fabricating a story that a convicted murder was trans, including anecdotes about wigs dresses and a planned name change, in a major newspaper. Or to cite an old favorite of mine, the time a pack of bigots walked up to a crowd of people peacefully picketing a transphobic legal proposal, started roughing them up and taking closeup photos of members of the crowd to stalk online when they got home, got sufficiently riled up for one to straight up assault an innocent person half her size, filmed the whole thing, uploaded it to youtube, and used stills of that assault as acomanying photos when they went home to write articles about the assailant being a “grandmother” attacked by rowdy trans women. And yes, they did monkey’s paw my wish to see that specific image on newspapers. Interesting side note, when it came to real public light that J.K. Rowling endorsed this sort of hatred, it was because she accidentally pasted some profanity laden rambling about how the imagined moral character of the other party in that incident, years after the fact, into a post praising a child’s fan art of her work.

To be a little less niche, transphobes can’t get enough of spreading the lie that the young fellow in this photo is a girl. Specifically a trans girl, providing proof that all their scaremongering about the dastardly threat of trans girls in competitive sports has finally come to pass.

To be fully clear, that’s a man (or a boy if you want to split hairs about him being 17 in that photo). Mack Beggs. A rather insidious choice for this sort of story, considering the actual context for that photo. See, Beggs attended high school in Texas, during a (still ongoing as I write this) period wherein that particular state had caved to this exact sort of propaganda, and in order to head off a wholly imagined wave of trans girls competing on girls’ sports teams, and enacted a law mandating that in all such competitions must compete under whatever gender is stated on their birth certificates. And as it happens, the first, and to my knowledge ONLY time this has come up was with Beggs here, who again, is a man, as no one with a grip on reality could argue against, has “female” on his birth certificate. Which is another way of saying he is a trans man. The guys in the same boat as trans women who we talk about a whole hell of a lot less because their existence is extremely inconvenient to the majority of transphobic propaganda. Case in point. And this is all information it is really impossible to come across if you’re coming across this photo in any sort of respectable source. Take this story, which is as unambiguous about this as you can get. And yet, in the very comments section of that story, there they are. Carrying on like this story about a trans guy, forced by a transphobic law to compete as a girl, which he absolutely did not want, and received horrific threats over, using phrases like “female to male” and bringing up that he was assigned female at birth and is on testosterone-based HRT, is about a trans woman cheating the system. Or to quote word for word, “Now also transgender female want to be male also compete in female sport. biological born“ That’s not “being confused,” that’s standing next to you in a white desert and complaining about being adrift in a black ocean, bald-faced, not even trying to be convincing just make a power play, lying through one’s teeth.

I could spend this whole article on just this point. Lying about who they are, various people’s falsified credentials, whole websites full of “anonymous parents of children who think they’re trans” turning out to be one single woman documenting the abuse of her very much trans son, or of course the people behind the whole “bathroom bill” panic candidly admitting it was all based on utter fiction. I do have other points to cover though.

Transphobes are firmly entrenched in the media.

It is extremely difficult to find oneself in a position of having to explain to people that a particular group of people is effectively in control of press outlets, as that is rather classically a claim conspiracy theorists absolutely love to toss around at various marginalized groups (including trans people hilariously enough, but of course the most common and lingering version of this is the antisemitic variant). I really can’t get around it here though. Specifically in the U.K., you honestly can say that transphobes control the media. I already touched on this with the assault case I mentioned above and the fabricated story about the murderer, but this is a pretty well-documented situation. I mean, even The Guardian calls out The Guardian on this, and that’s the outlet that gets the most attention because it’s the one with the most otherwise respected name, but every paper in the country has been running transphobic propaganda pieces on a weekly if not daily basis for years now, and while they do get reprimanded by watchdog groups and have mass walk-outs over the worst of it, it’s not like there’s some governing body with the authority to step in about it. Meanwhile the BBC is constantly inviting diehard zealots like Graham Linehan to news programs where he compares being trans to being a nazi, and hosting debates where someone just sits down and repeatedly chants the word “penis” at a trans woman.

Things are better in the rest of the world, but we still have right-wing creeps like Jesse Singal both writing horrific propaganda pieces (we’ll get back to that one) and blackballing trans writers out of covering trans issues ourselves (and personally stalking the hell out of those of us who try). We’ve got our Joe Rogans and Tucker Carlsons out there (no way in hell I’m linking videos here, have a real information link and a still).

The line between diehard transphobes and straight-up nazis basically does not exist.

What even is there to say here? You can easily poke around havens for nazi activity for yourself and compare the particular unique vocabulary used there to the primary bastion of anti-trans hate speech on the internet (the “feminism” section of what was originally a site for parenting tips before violent fascists took the forums over) or just peruse the follows of the thousands of people I’ve blocked on social media and see if you can sort out a clear division in the networks of channers with frog avatars and the accounts with names like GoodieXXrealwoman, or you can read up on Gab and Spinster, the two twitter alternatives that are just different portals to the same server, set up by the same guy. Maybe do some research into “the LGB Alliance,” or WoLF but any way you slice it the only real difference to be found is the general purpose nazis take a little time off now and then to watch borderline pedophilic anime and the really dedicated transphobes think to use language that sounds vaguely well-educated and left-leaning. I mean, this came from the “feminist” side of the fence:

And not to belabor the point here, but the ones claiming to be a bunch of “feminist mums” sure do let the mask slip any time they’re confronted with the fact that “women” includes black women, and oh just have a whole thread about all the weird conspiratory theories these people have about how trans people’s whole existence is some sort of Jewish plot for world domination. I swear a few months ago they were all passing around a story about some bank having an above average number of trans employees and they were all just “and we all know who controls the banks, right?” about it.

Transphobes endorse an awful lot of people who are openly pro-pedophila.

This is the part where I am really loath to link the many many specific examples I have on hand. Or to talk about this at all for reasons of good taste. Or, for that matter, to talk about this in a tumblr post when there’s an ongoing problem of people with backgrounds strongly tied to this site making baseless accusations of pedophilia against every queer person they can find, so let me be very clear just what I’m talking about while avoiding anything too graphic.

That’s James Cantor. Transphobes love him for being one of the closest things they have to a scientist on their side. And I am featuring him in a screenshot here showing that he is followed by current queen of the transphobes J.K. Rowling, while speaking to both another big name in transphobic circles, Debra Soh, and based on their names, what I’m guessing is at least one straight-up nazi. And in case you think “the P” he’s talking about adding to LGBT (or “GLBT” as weird anti-queer bigots who also have issues with women often write it) might stand for “poly” or “pan” he’s all too happy to clarify that.

This is the entire thrust of Cantor’s work and life. He is the world’s biggest pedophile rights advocate. He wants it declassified as a mental disorder, all stigma on it removed, and tirelessly pushes forward the idea that the majority of.. people who feel compelled to sexually assault children are good people who present no potential harm to anyone and should in fact be lauded.

I am not generally one to claim that someone with a PhD is spewing out questionable garbage with regard to their field, but the reason I am aware of Cantor at all is that other transphobes keep trying to hold up a particular post on his blog as "a study” (which it is not) that offers “proof” (in the form of a blurry jpeg of basically some random numbers) of some ridiculous quackery about how trans kids will “grow out of it” if exposed to conversion therapy (another way of saying torture), which Cantor himself seems to be pushing, so I am somewhat skeptical of his academic chops. And I am, of course, REALLY suspicious that all these other bigots gravitate to him purely because they’re that desperate to find anyone with a PhD in anything that backs them up against literally every scientist in a relative field, to the point that they merely forgive his particular advocacy they are plainly all aware of, particularly when such a common fig leaf used by transphobes is “keeping children safe from sexual deviants.”

And of course, Cantor is most often invoked when coming to the defense of Kenneth Zucker. This Kenneth Zucker.

Those are separate papers. Zucker isn’t controversial though for organizing panels to discuss how attractive people agree small children are (at least not exclusively). Mostly, he’s known for running a conversion therapy center which subjected gay and trans children to various sorts of torture in an effort to “fix” them, which at least for those trans "patients” I have spoken with involved a fair amount of having them strip completely naked and talking a lot about their genitals.

Zucker is something of a controversial figure with the transphobic scene, as they are extremely on board with his sexual torture of queer children, but he does actual work (for some value of the term) involving trans people and thus is not able to commit as fully as they would prefer to making life horrible for trans people, due to a professional obligation to acknowledge reality now and then. As an aside, the similarly positioned Ray Blanchard, while not to my knowledge particularly interested in the attractiveness of children, lives in a similar purgatory of trying to reconcile his career, bigotry, and sexual hangups, yielding compromises like this:

Of course, that’s just looking at the straws transphobes grasp at when looking for scientific credibility. Real leaders of the movement include Germaine Greer, author of The Beautiful Boy, which is about what you are afraid it might be, and features a very young child in a cover feature he did not consent to posing for. Or Julie Bindel, who among other things is rather infamous for writing whole articles on subjects like whether a teenage girl she came across maybe has a huge penis you can totally see if you really squint at her skirt. Again, I will not share a link to go along with that one.

Transphobes terrorize and attempt to defund charities and other unambiguously good organizations.

Graham Linehan, previously best known for cowriting some sitcoms and possibly spending a year angling to get into my pants so awkwardly I didn’t pick up on it is now best known for trying to pull the plug on a children’s charity, in a story that somehow also involves Donkey Kong. Well, and the interview about nazis. And possibly the other interview about “defending me from nazis” until it got into his head that I might not be as young and hot as he imagined. Rather not link to a far right extremist youtube channel though.

There’s also a current effort to replace Stonewall (an organization named after the location where a pair of trans women kicked off a riot which is generally agreed to be the start of the LGBT+ rights movement) as the UK’s primary LGBT+ rights organization with the “LGB Alliance.” The hate group mentioned above, with the skull face and the rifle. Closest I can find to an article on that effort on short notice that isn’t propaganda.

Transphobes paper areas in truly disgusting propaganda.

I don’t want to directly link to grown adults skulking around children’s playgrounds and bathrooms plastering surfaces with mass printed stickers of crudely drawn penises, but would encourage you to read this very long post, being sure to load all the images, to really understand how deeply strange this behavior gets.

Finally, I cannot stress this enough, this really extreme behavior I’m citing, and the specific people involved in the examples I’m giving, these aren’t random cranks on the fringe of things. The people going on televised panel discussions, writing up news stories, and testifying before lawmakers in efforts to pass horrifically discriminatory if not literally life-endangering laws (there is a major ongoing effort to legally end all medical care for trans people, and I don’t just mean care directly relating to being trans) are literally the same people involved in the sexualization of children, nazi collaborations, and roving gangs assaulting people in the street. At a bare minimum I urge people, when booking guests and handing out writing contracts, to do background checks and see if they’re platforming actual terrorists. If we could actually bring legal consequences to bear against the worst of this, that would be great too. As things stand though, the whole world is just consistently citing a bunch of racist, woman-hating, serial liars with no real credentials, and questionable attitudes towards the sexual abuse of children, as “trusted experts” and refusing to seat actual trans people or people who have legitimately committed lifetimes to academic and practical work with trans people any seats at the table.

[a-room-of-my-own]

A bit of reading : orwomen.()scot/did-you-know/?fbclid=IwAR0H7TqxQNqemZcAGFtvR_HLkbkxmZ4FY6srcgrULWxGPyWuc6QPTmDQfVI

Did you know…

…that 80-95% of people who say they are trans choose to have no medical treatment at all – no surgery, no drugs, not even therapy? Transwomen are just male people who subjectively believe that they are female. That’s it. That is all that’s required.

Despite some commentators describing an “epidemic of violence against trans people“, transwomen are no more likely to be murdered than anyone else, and the best data available shows it’s half as likely. In Scotland, zero have been killed. In fact, transwomen are almost twice as likely to be the perpetrator of a murder than to be murdered in the UK, which is not surprising since a male pattern of violence is retained regardless of any transition or cross-dressing.

The 48% of trans youth have attempted suicide statistic is nonsense too. It was based on just 27 trans people (aged 26 and under), from a self-selecting online survey – which made the data worthless. Yet that hasn’t stopped the TIE Campaign peddling similar in Scottish schools (or is it 27%, they seem confused?), contrary to Samaritans advice on avoiding attributing the cause to any one incident. The NHS Gender Identity Development Service actually says “suicide is extremely rare” and rates of self-harm, distress and suicide ideation are similar to other children seen by CAMHS.

Did you know that 1 in 50 males in prison now self-id as trans according to Ministry of Justice figures? If it is so dangerous to be trans why do so many choose to come out when in jail?

Were you aware that 95% of prisoners are men, and 5% women? That most women in prison are there for financial crime, and most men are in for violent offending. Did you know that men commit 98% of sex offences? That 48% of transwomen prisoners are sex offenders (compared to less than 20% in the general male estate) and would swamp the female estate if they all transferred.

What makes these convicted sex offenders, who were born male, women? Why should female prisoners be locked up with rapists if they say “I am a woman”? Are you willing to be in a prison cell with a male rapist on that basis? And if not, do you think other women should be? Are you aware that women have already been sexually assaulted and raped, in several countries, because of this policy?

Did you know that Scotland already has a policy significantly more liberal than England’s, stating that transgender prisoners must normally be housed according to the “social gender” with which they self-identify? And that this policy was brought in by a senior prison officer, himself now a convicted sex offender? A policy put in place without even talking to women’s groups or considering that there would be any impact on female prisoners at all. Despite warnings of abuse, including from former women’s prison governor Rhona Hotchkiss, the promised policy review has not been forthcoming.

What about women’s refuges, have you considered what it could do to a woman fleeing male violence to encounter a male in that refuge? Read why the CEO of a domestic violence charity, Karen Ingala Smith, considers it imperative that refuges remain women-only, and her speech at the Scottish Parliament.

Did you know that a woman was asked to leave a shelter because, as a rape survivor, she couldn’t sleep in the same room as a strange male, regardless of how he identified? Are you aware that a man used self-id to access a women’s shelter where he sexually assaulted vulnerable women? Are you aware that a rape relief shelter in Canada lost all public funding for insisting they remain women-only, and had a dead rat nailed to their door?

Are you aware that the Scottish Government imposes a transwomen inclusive policy on Scottish Women’s Aid as a condition of funding and that Rape Crisis Scotland refused to guarantee a female counsellor for a traumatised teenager? We know from private meetings that they erroneously believe they cannot provide a single-sex service due to a lack of ‘case law’, despite having previously done so for many years. Did you know there is a male manager of a rape crisis centre, who failed to disclose his sex at interview, and which still claims to be women-led?

Are you aware that despite less than half of changing rooms in swimming pools and sports centres being mixed sex, 90% of sexual assaults have happened in them? Yet mixed-sex, ‘gender-neutral’ facilities are constantly pushed, including in schools – contrary to law and building regulations requiring separate sex provision – when it would be more responsible to increase third space unisex provision for the comfort of those who need it.

That’s before you even get into the issue of how to keep out predatory men who aren’t trans, if you say that any man who ‘identifies as a woman’ can use communal changing/showering areas at will. A man exposing himself in a park commits a crime. A man doing so in a women’s changing room, where you’re also naked, who need not have even told staff he identifies as a woman, may no longer be committing an offence.

Did you know that the Scottish Government funded LGBT Youth Scotland, a spin-off group from Stonewall, to write guidance for schools that breaches children’s rights in at least eleven ways? This includes the unscientific belief in gender identity, which even the Justice Minister is at a loss to define, the promotion of harmful breast binding and the removal of all single-sex spaces and sports. No-one should be surprised at this as Stonewall have long campaigned for the removal of women’s rights, although single issue political pressure groups should have been no-where near schoolchildren.

It took the Government until June 2019 to commit to replacing this guidance, having privately received advice that it was “not legal“. Yet, this new legally compliant guidance is seven months overdue and the Education Minister is refusing to withdraw LGBTYS’s guidance in the interim.

Why should we accept smear tests from any male who feels they have a womanly gender identity – what does that even mean (let’s ask the Justice Minister again)? And yes, it is happening. A rape survivor who wanted a woman to carry out her breast screening found her letter used as an example in hospital trans guidance as ‘unacceptable’ and ‘highly discriminatory’. And a woman in a psychiatric ward who was terrified at being locked in a ward with an “extremely male-bodied” fellow patient was regarded as a transphobic bigot. The truth is that women in mixed-sex hospital wards, particularly psych, have very real reasons to fear men.

Did you know that 35 clinicians have resigned from the Tavistock (children’s gender clinic in London) over their failings, including the Governor? Who later wrote a damning account of the abject failure to heed evidence that their affirmation-only policy is harmful to children, especially to the huge influx in girls who may suffer other complex problems, such as trauma, autism, a history of sexual abuse or discomfort with their developing sexuality. A staggering 48% of children referred to Tavistock have ASD traits, and a BBC Newsnight investigation revealed significant numbers of children seeking transition treatment based on their family’s homophobia.

Are you aware that studies show that puberty blockers result in 100% of children progressing to cross-sex hormones – whereas, if left unmedicated, the Tavistocks’s own research shows over 90%, if supported by counselling, are happy with their sex once they emerge from puberty. Did you know hormone blockers may cause sterility, a large decrease in IQ, bone density loss, and more? An investigation by the Health Review Authority concluded that blockers are really the start of irreversible physical transition and recommended that “Researchers and clinical staff should…avoid referring to puberty suppression as providing a ‘breathing space’, to avoid risk of misunderstanding.” This led to a major overhaul of the NHS UK website which no longer considers blockers to be fully reversible and confirms long-term effects are unknown.

The young person’s gender clinic at Sandyford, Glasgow has recently withdrawn their information booklet and we trust it will be similarly updated. Do you think all the government funded trans organisations will be scrupulous in updating their information too – including LGBT Youth guidance in Dumfries and Galloway, Scottish Trans/NHS guidance, and Stonewall advice, among many more, including of course the already deemed “not legal” school guidance by LGBT Youth?

Are you aware that the number of children referred to Sandyford is rising at a faster rate than the rest of the UK? Yet they don’t actually know how many girls have been referred as children can select what sex they want recorded on medical records – although unofficially, clinicians report similar concerns as elsewhere about the huge proportional rise in young girls seeking to transition. Did you know that bias, and not evidence, dominates the WPATH transgender standard of care followed in Scotland? And it is woefully out-of-date considering the fundamental change in patient make up since it was written in 2011.

Read the speech given by Dr David Bell at the Scottish Parliament and consider why, if his report about issues at the Tavistock prompted the Director to resign, was it not enough for the Health Minister, Jeane Freeman, to instigate an enquiry into identical practices at Sandyford? Perhaps the Government will listen to the outcome of a Judicial Review that is being sought by Keira Bell, a detransitioning woman, who wants to protect other troubled young girls from similar treatment.

Are you aware that women with our views are threatened with violence, rape and death, almost as an everyday occurrence? We are told TERF is not a slur, but I challenge you to find any instances of it being used without abuse or threats attached to it. Do you think it’s in any way acceptable for lesbians to be on the receiving end of these menaces for asserting, or even just trying to be proud of, their right to be same-sex attracted? Do you really think there’s such a thing as a lesbian with a penis?

All that hate is from transactivists, and is aimed at women with our views. I challenge you to find anything remotely equivalent from here, from our recorded talks, or indeed anywhere else. This is NOT a case of two sides as bad as each other. And it’s notable that the hate is not aimed at genuinely transphobic, aggressive men. It’s aimed at women. It’s aimed at us.

And JK Rowling. Read the tweets she posted and look at the replies. Read the essay further explaining her thoughts and ask how anyone could possibly think she deserved such atrocious abuse, or how transactivists thought it in any way acceptable to post penis images in retaliation (don’t worry, it’s been edited!) on a child’s thread about Ickabog art.

Did you know women can be, and often are, fired for believing sex is real, that humans cannot change sex, and women and girls are entitled to privacy when undressing or otherwise vulnerable? And yet poll, after poll, after poll, after poll show that this is the majority view, by at least 80%. You may well wonder why then, is the Scottish Government proposing to bring in Hate Crime legislation that would see even JK Rowling imprisoned for up to seven years for expressing views deemed abusive by transactivists, yet affords women no such protection in law, based on their sex.

Innate gender identity is a belief system. There’s no evidence one exists. If our Government cannot even define it, then it should not be presented as fact to our children. It should not over-ride women’s hard fought for rights.

Do you know that the very word ‘woman’ will change definition, if the trans lobby succeed? If we can’t define what a woman is, how can we accurately capture data? How can we record male violence, the pay gap, our representation in government, business, finance, law, media…anywhere? Police Scotland already record incidences on the basis of gender identity, but can’t seem to recall when, or why that happened, and the census looks to be going the same way, despite the importance of recognising sex being shown quite dramatically by COVID-19.

An influential lobby loudly insisting that they won’t be erased (when trans organisations are heavily state funded and train all major businesses, branches of government, school teachers, universities and NHS boards) are actively campaigning to erase the very definition of what a woman is – best archive it, just in case! Have you noticed how easy it is to define a woman when we’re being aborted, subjected to FGM, married off, denied the vote, raped, murdered, paid less, represented less in every single sector of government and industry, expected to perform most of the world’s unpaid labour, and constituting 71% of the world’s modern slaves? The only places that seem unsure on what a woman is are the places feminism was starting to make inroads. It’s almost like there must be some sort of a connection, isn’t it?

We don’t have any fear, resentment or hatred for trans people. We agree there should be protection in law against discrimination and violence. We just don’t agree that our rights need to be railroaded over in the process. We don’t agree that male people should access women’s spaces, or benefit from women’s provision, at will, without our consent. Our name is WOMEN and our rights matter.

Don’t you agree…?

[lexgivesgayadvice]

hi lex!! first of all i'm very happy to have found your blog, since most (or all) lgbtq advice blogs i could find were inactive :/ secondly, the thing is: when i was around 12 years old (i'm 14 now, almost 15), i started questioning my gender (i'm afab), cut my hair, tried out different pronouns, etc. it all felt very nice, until i got a crush on a straight male friend, and i decided that i can no longer be anything other than a straight girl because that's the only way he could like me back. and after that i basically spent more than a year conforming more and more into whatever my crushes, friends, classmates thought was right, normal, or attractive. at the beginning of this year i figured out my sexuality: i'm only into girls and the guys i liked were all comp het. and i started questioning my gender again at the beginning of this april. i just don't know if the disconnect i feel from femininity is because i'm only into girls, because i'm not considered attractive in the eyes of a straight guy, because i used to question my gender when i was younger, or because i'm actually trans. and yeah, masculinity feels super nice to me. i actually think i'm trans, i just feel like i'm not brave enough to admit it. i've been feminine presenting my whole life, and i've been seen as a girl my whole life. my online friends would probably be very supportive if i told them i think i'm trans, but my family? no way. my sibling? i told them about questioning my gender again but they seemed to completely be against the idea that i could be trans. my classmates? i'm really not sure. they claim to be pro lgbtq but they make so many transphobic jokes, and they could probably never see me as anything other than a girl. so i'm kind of rambling, sorry about that, but my question would be: do you think i'm trans? what do you think i should do?

thank you so much if you decide to answer, and another huge thank you for running this blog!!!! <3

My dear lovely possibly trans anon - I know this is probably not the advice you want to hear, but only you can decide if you're trans or not. I know that sucks and it would be so much easier if we could get someone else to make these calls. That being said, let's break down some of the things you mentioned.

The whole comp het/gender questioning thing is WILD, I've been on that train as well lately. It's so weird how conditioned we are to believe that femininity is for the benefit of men, and once we non-men-attracted folk figure that out, it's hard to tell what's what. Could it be that your gender confusion is just the reverberating effect of comp het? Yeah, it could, but it sounds like there's something deeper at play here.

Here's why I think that - you said that you think you're trans but you're scared to admit it. Well, guess what? That counts as admitting it! Congratulations to you - no matter where you go from here, acknowledging yourself for who you are is such a huge step and it takes a lot of courage. I'm really proud of you!

So what comes next? I would take things one step at a time. You said you've cut your hair in the past - would it make you happy to cut it again? What about getting a sports bra to see if you like the way your body looks in it? Can you casually get your parents to shop with you in the men's section of stores? (I accomplished this by complaining about how women's department flannels are lame!) Maybe you have some trusted friends who will call you by a different name or pronouns. In my (admittedly rather limited) experience, gender is a game of trial and error, especially when you're in a place where people disapprove. But every baby step will get you a little closer to your true self, and every now and then you'll try something and look in the mirror and think "Yes, that's me."

So I guess basically what I'm trying to say is that it sounds like you are finding authenticity in masculinity and the trans label, and that's all it takes. I know that choosing labels is scary because it feels like a forever choice. The good news is that (1) you can change labels whenever they start to feel off and (2) you don't have to slap a label on if you're not ready. Whether you come out as trans tomorrow, inch your way into masculinity, or anywhere in between, you are so valid for whoever you are on any given day. And remember that just like you don't have to keep trying to be the perfect straight girl, there's no "right" way to be masculine either, so just do what feels good!

I hope that helps. Hang in there with the transphobic family/classmates - that's not a fun spot to be in and I'm proud of you for still working toward being yourself, no matter if/when you decide to come out as trans and/or transition. 💚🌈

[misshorrorotaku]

We’re not “invading” anywhere. And since you won’t even know we’re there most of the time, this is a non-issue. You just don’t like the idea that one of us MIGHT be there.

And it’s not that men’s spaces are unsafe, it’s that it’s unsafe for US, because we’re not men no matter how much you insist we are, and it’s already been proven that we will be exposed to danger if we’re outed as trans, which going into men’s spaces will do. Our safety trumps your comfort.

…. Cis gay men cannot be outed on sight. It’s not even close to the same thing. And the only reason we “force our entry” is because despite us being in those spaces for literal decades transphobes like you have gotten very vocal about how we’re all a threat and poor innocent wombyn will get raped if we’re let in and blah blah blah. We wouldn’t have to insist we’re allowed in if you weren’t so insistent on forcing us out.

And there is no real justification to keep us out of any of those. Hrt makes us weaker, so we have no natural advantage in sports (hell, Trans Men have proven they’re the ones who need to be moved to men’s sports instead of women’s because they absolutely fucking DEMOLISH women when forced to compete against them), prisons already have a rape culture (it’s where the term came from) and the very VERY few rapists who have gotten into women’s prisons by lying about their gender have only gotten in because of errors in the vetting process (not to mention, none of y’all seem to want to talk about the prevalance of cis women raping other cis women in women’s prisons, so it’s clearly not safety you’re concerned about here), public showers usually have stalls and for those that don’t, quite frankly it’s irrelevant because you should not be looking at other people’s genitals regardless, changing rooms also have stalls and again don’t fucking stare at other people while changing be a normal person like everyone else and there’s no fucking issue, and rape shelters have no excuse to keep us out. They’re rape shelters, not female separatist communes, they’re supposed to help rape victims, not *some* rape victims.

No, but that’s the thing, y’all aren’t pushing for some spaces to keep us out, you’re pushing for ALL spaces to keep us out. Literally no one would care if you only wanted to keep a few spaces female-only, but that’s not what y’all want. And it’s blatantly untrue they’ll get taken down, literally so many fucking exist. XD

I hate to say it but if you're talking about trans people regarding gender and misogyny, those trans people will know better than you do if you're cis.

Trans people are experts of themselves. Just because you're a cis woman doesn't mean that you automatically have a say in how misogyny impacts trans people in particular.

So please, stop claiming you're the expert around a life you don't live. Thanks.

[alines7777]

aight, here's a piece of 'creative writing' that i've been brainstorming.

basically, it's about samson, a famed homophobic and transphobic radio evangelist, who dies and goes to hell, and meets the princes of hell, who subsequently berate him for his character and deeds on earth. and it more or less gets into the CORE reason why conservatives always turn out to be shitheads in their seeking of bible verses as a shield for their bigotry, and even hypocrisy. it's also to demonstrate that, as written in the tanakh, god is beyond good and evil, especially any one person's view of it.

the thing here is that based on everything i read from the bible, everything the princes of hell say here is true, or at the very least reasonable. and i think the following sort of bigotry and disrespect toward humanity as a whole, whom lucifer accurately calls the ADAM, is the character attributed to lucifer in other texts, and i also think it serves as a nice foil for samson's bigotry toward the lgbti community, just as samson serves as a nice foil for lucifer's expulsion from YHVH's hosts.

and on that note, i think it would be fair warn that this work includes the use of transphobic slurs, albeit from a perspective of a being that cares as little for humanity as a whole as it does toward the plight of trans people.

but what both of them never really stop to consider is that they all supposedly share god's breath in common. and god's breath is held in the tanakh as the source of life, that every breath we take is literally god's.

(try to imagine leviathan sounding as though he's stifling laughter as he speaks)

....

samson : ugh. who are all of you? where am i?

leviathan : GEHINNOM. HELL.

samson : no! that can't be right! that's impossible! i was spreading the truth about your bid to destroy america with the gay and trans agenda! i was bringing people back to the right path that god set for man and woman in marriage. i was saving america from your throes! i was the champion of the holy crusade against the trans and gay agenda to soften and feminize america to make it yours instead.

* the princes start busting into laughter *

asmodeus : are you kidding? as if anyone even needs sodomy or transsexuality to be pulled away from marriage in the first place! o, but i'm sure you know better from experience, right? but we have witnessed the rise and fall of MANY nations throughout EONS, so why should we even remotely care about america above any others? what an idiot!

lucifer : listen, samson, god is the one who chooses the fate of all nations, not us, haven't you even read the word he left for you? so if "the sodomites and transsexuals" really are destroying america as you say they are, then it's precisely because god wants them to, now you're free to take any guess at why. besides, we are hardly interested even in the ADAM that you'd find here, let alone those that still roam earth, and you won't find us delivering any of our bidding to DIRT beneath our feet. there is no fight between us and YHVH over the ADAM, the only ones you have to blame for your sins and the fall of your nations are YOURSELVES.

leviathan : AND THEY'RE STILL CONCERNED OVER THE COLORS OF THEIR BEDSHEETS [flags]. TAKE CARE THAT THEY SHOULDN'T TURN YELLOW AND BROWN FROM THAT PANIC YOU'RE IN! *laughs uncontrollably* HOW RIDICULOUS! WE DON'T NEED TO HEAR ANYTHING ELSE FROM YOU, AND YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE ANYTHING USEFUL TO SAY.

*leviathan, again succumbing to uncontrollable laughter, puts a seal on samson's mouth to keep him from speaking up again*

leviathan : WE CAN ONLY FEAR THAT WHATEVER ELSE YOU SAY FOR YOURSELF MIGHT BE EVEN MORE DAMNING! I HAVEN'T LAUGHED THIS HARD IN AGES! "CHAMPION OF THE HOLY CRUSADE AGAINST THE GAY AND TRANS AGENDA!" *laughing again, but his laughter is starting to die down*.

asmodeus : and all that coming from.... hold on, let's see what stolas wrote for us again.... a divorcée of five times by adultery with the same trannies he calls abominations [sort of like alex jones and the trans porn on his phone] —

satan : — and two times by battery —

asmodeus : — telling everyone else to honor and cherish the sanctity of man and woman in marriage and sex before god.

*all princes proceed to laugh, samson becomes flush and tearful with anger and embarrassment*

lucifer : aww, what's wrong? we only speak the truth to you alone in jest. but don't you find it at least a little bit funny? can't you see why it's at least a little amusing for us to see how a HYPOCRITICAL BIGOT always runs to the church for hiding?

leviathan : THE SAME WAY A FOX ALWAYS RUNS TO ITS BURROW!

lucifer : now, leviathan, let's not judge TOO unfairly. foxes run to their burrows only when given chase, and foxes actually dig the burrows where they go into hiding.

belphegor : and not once have we ever seen such fools as this so much as pick up a stone to build a church for their hiding.

leviathan : AND IF WE EVER DID SEE THEM PICK UP A STONE, WE ALWAYS FOUND THEM MUCH QUICKER TO CAST IT INSTEAD!

lucifer : and that, samson, is why it's SO DIFFICULT for us to feel any pity for you. but alas, we MUST. after all, only a fool as pathetic as you could never realize that it was just as difficult for everyone else to see god's kindness through your cruelty. now that doesn't inspire much faith in god, does it?

leviathan : NOR DOES IT INSPIRE MUCH OF HIS KINDNESS! JUST LOOK AT THE KINDNESS GOD SPARED YOU, HE LEFT YOU TO FEND FOR YOURSELF IN OUR MIDST!

lucifer : and too bad for you, there are no churches here, so there are no places here where you can hide from us, nor any walls with loose stones for the casting [this is specifically a reference to verses to be selectively taken from the bible to justify bigotry].

mammon : i hope you still think the money you took from all those broken cretins for your "sermons" made it all worth it.

beelzebub : not to mention all the lovely meals it afforded you.

asmodeus : and the women and trannies.

leviathan : ALL BECAUSE YOU WANTED THE NAME OF GOD AS A CLOAK FOR YOUR SIN. AND THE ONLY REASON YOU EVER CARED ABOUT THE BODY OF CHRIST WAS BECAUSE YOU THOUGHT YOU COULD HAVE IT AS A SHIELD.

lucifer : see, leviathan? now you're judging QUITE fairly. because fairness.... starts with the TRUTH. and the truth is, samson, you're DISGUSTING. all of ADAM are DISGUSTING! i hardly know any other words that are even fit to describe you. SLIME! DIRT! that's what you are — that's how god made you, and his breath never changed that fact. all it did was make you LIVING DIRT! too bad he never took my advice to destroy all of you while he had the chance, and the only times he did were when it was TOO LATE! now we're the ones who have to deal with you. and i should think that we're owed some thanks for TRYING when god WOULDN'T. we were not the ones who created you, and we just as surely are not the ones to blame for your sins, but we were the ones who were right about you every time when god was still trying to see something better than what was actually there — dirt. but still, he leaves it to us to handle the job of caring for you.

leviathan : HAH! WE NEVER CHANGED OUR MINDS ABOUT YOU, BUT EVEN WE MIGHT HATE YOU LESS NOW THAT HE SEES YOU AS CLEARLY WE DO, AND NOW WE'RE THE ONES WHO CARE MORE ABOUT YOU! THAT'S HOW MUCH GOD HATES YOU!

lucifer : yes, it is. do you know WHY, samson? the same reason we hate you: it's because you ADAM are always crying out god's name, the way spoiled children cry out for their mothers to get the things they want, because you'd NEVER be caught dead doing ANYTHING good for yourself, though for some reason you'd sooner be caught doing ill to others, and then you cry out even louder when you learn that you've been caught, exactly like a spoiled child. and you call yourself a man. that's how disgusting you ADAM are — you'd rather be caught doing ill to others than any good for yourselves — and then you STILL work up the gall to cry out god's name, and we soon find that those who cry his name the loudest are the worst disgraces to it, as much they would be even to OUR names for that matter. the only ones who are any good at all, even in our eyes, are those who DON'T.

satan : we, at least, started by rejecting his name.

lucifer : that's right, so it isn't reasonable to expect any obedience from us. but since you couldn't be bothered to obey god and abide his kindness, you would have been better to reject him too, you'd at least be HONEST, and we would certainly start taking a little more pity on you. and the ones who are inspired by OUR example, they don't ask anything from us, and they don't cry out our names. we hardly even acknowledge them, and they are better than you. but i must give the ADAM some credit, in the spirit of fairness, you answer and take heed when your names are called, even by those you despise. but god doesn't answer when you call his. he doesn't even want you knowing his name, and it isn't YHVH. exactly as leviathan told you, that's how much he hates you. but you're new here, so we're willing to give you a sporting chance to be YOUR OWN brand of dirt, that is all that can be expected of dirt, really. but we'll take care of you until you do, when you'll no longer need us, and when we longer have to bother with you, because if we don't, then who will? certainly not god. that ship has sailed. and if, in spite of our care, you CAN'T learn to accept your fate and be your own dirt, then we'll just bury you like half of the others, to be reunited with the rest of the dirt. either way, we won't have to deal with you for very long, just as we shouldn't.