#anti-danzo

[raveneira]

On topic of hokages I think danzo got his extreme views form hashirama than tobirama hashirama what he say before "killing" mardara

Is like something danzo would says

Nah his extreme view came from his jealousy of Hiruzen being everything he wasn't and wanting to one up him, he saw Hiruzen as 'soft' for his selfless and kind heartedness and wanted to be the opposite out of spite, so he was a cold and ruthless leader believing that was the better way to do things, especially when Hiruzen was a failure as hokage, but tbf some of his failures as hokage was caused by danzo working against him behind his back. But danzos real resentment kicked into overdrive when Hiruzen was forced to step down and they rejected his pitch for Orochimaru in favor of Hiruzens pitch for Minato.

Danzo cared about the village in his own way sure, but his motivation was purely out of spite and entitlement and resentment for Hiruzen being everything he wasn't and he couldn't bring himself to admit that it was all jealousy until he finally for the first time in his life made a selfless sacrifice like a true hokage, like Hiruzen so bravely did in the past where he failed to because he was scared.

Danzos mentality is nothing like hashiramas because he never had selfless motivations, it was always about what he could gain and how he could win over Hiruzen, danzo wasn't willing to kill a friend for the sake of the village he was literally willing to kill ppl to get HIMSELF closer to power, the massacre of the Uchiha wasn't because they were a threat to the village frfr but to steal power. The Uchiha were they strongest clan and Hiruzen wanted to try talking to them to work out things peacefully, danzo went behind his back to commit genocide instead and stealing multiple Uchihas eyes, he even stopped shisui from halting the coup peacefully by stealing his eye because he WANTED the genocide to happen so he could steal their eyes and gain more power.

That was always danzos motivation which was nothing like any hokage before him, if anything he was closer to yagura who also was ruthless in how he ran the village (debatable how much of that was actually yagura and how much was Obito)

Anyway point is danzo is a bastard who only finally owned up to his mistakes during his sacrifice which was too little too late. Not even tobirama was as ruthless as him, he simply put the Uchiha under close surveillance, he never wanted to kill off the entire clan.

So nah danzo wouldn't say what hashirama did because he never had those feelings to begin with, he didn't value his friends or comrades, only those who would submit to him, so the only thing he'd say to Madara or anyone else in his position was that they deserve it for threatening the village.

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[uchiha-itachi-amaterasu]

Sasuke by Kairyan_zcl on artstation

[abattre]

It's funny that we see Konoha get absolutely wrecked like 2 times in the series and no other villages take advantage of that defensive weakness to start a 4th war. Kiri literally had a civil war and even that didn't blow up into an international conflict. Like, realistically, if the Uchiha coup actually happened Konoha would've been fine. The clan wasn't even trying to take over the village, they just wanted to put pressure on Konoha's leadership to stop persecuting them and maybe stop the segregation and surveillance. So like,,, other than some internal restructuring there wouldn't have been much damage done to the village as an entity and the populace would've been largely unaffected. If the Uchiha did decide to kill anyone, they'd probably just target the council members and the village would've been better off anyway because Danzo and his lackeys were doing some truly wack shit behind closed doors.

All that to say,,, the idea that Itachi ‘saved the village’ by agreeing to the genocide of his clan is so stupid. Like Danzo probably knew that he and the rest of the council would be the only ones in any actual trouble when the Uchiha finally got sick of their treatment in the village, and he was so scared shitless of the clan his only resolution was to eliminate them entirely to save his ass from the consequences of his own actions. The only people who were ever in any real danger from the Uchiha were the people in power who were directly perpetuating their oppression and subjugation. Plus, I mean if another village did attack Konoha while this was going on, the Uchiha were by far the strongest clan there anyway; people used to literally just run away from them so they wouldn't have to fight against the Sharingan like they would've defended the place fine it's unlikely another war would've broken out from that.

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did I catch you having fun but it's sasuke at danzo

Part 2

[sasusaku3]

Danzo didn't suffer enough before his death because of the evil he did to Sasuke, Naruto, Sai, Itachi, Shisui. Kabuto

[shyflowerhologram]

I want to narrate Sai's ambush on Sasuke because it doesn't make sense:

Sai briefly met Sasuke for the first time a couple of hours ago. During their short meeting, Sasuke made it clear that he had no interest in dealing with Sai or discussing Naruto's feelings.

So after a few hours, Sai decides to sneak into Sasuke's bedroom while he's asleep. For some reason, Sai believes that Sasuke will have heartfelt chat with him and be overjoyed, because Sai is taking him back to Konoha.

It’s also important to let Sasuke know that you initially intended to kill him but changed your mind (good grief, Sasuke, you're safe now). Despite having experienced Sasuke's opinion on that matter firsthand, Sai still chooses to discuss Naruto’s bonds. Naruto is desperately holding onto Sasuke, so Sasuke is expected to comply. Sai doesn't ask for Sasuke's side of the story, apparently he's already expert in team 7 relationship.

fun fact: Sasuke is so unbothered that he doesn't even turn over.

Also, I wonder if Danzo really believed that Sai would be able to eliminate Sasuke, he knew Uchihas, he knew their abilities, he feared them and suddenly Sai's brush vs Sharingan makes sense?

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True Uchiha clan not that bulshite shown in the Boruto series so called fake Uchiha pathetic historically ignorant family( Sakura and Sarada who treat clan crest some sort of ornaments or achievements or trophy to brag about or show off for them without knowing its struggle and past history and how you get to wear it) or how the story tries to revise Uchiha tragedy and the oppression and racism against the Uchiha collectively.

[the-real-sasuke-uchiha]

Tobirama is freaking hilarious. "Oh, but there were some good Uchiha that were able to see beyond the clan and were loyal to the village". Oh, sure, you imbecile. And they were killed and betrayed by the village as well. Look at Shisui, you shit. Good reward he got for being loyal to your kind.

[nardo-headcanons]

About Shisui Uchiha

just some shower thoughts i had about him. this is very headcanon heavy and rather vague at times.

tw for talks about suicide, manipulation, trauma, abuse, etc

tagging: @uchihaharlot @pxssy-stuntin-for-itxchi @lalalover33-blog @burning-bubble @naruto-scribblings-j

Unlike Itachi, who was born during the last year of the great Shinobi war, it is safe to say that Shisui was born while it was still going on. So naturally, he was exposed to the worst side humanity had to offer, most likely traumatizing him in the process.

His mother is never mentioned, so I assume she must have died during his birth or in his early childhood. His father, most likely ravaged by illness before he even entered the battlefield, lost his left leg, leaving him with phantom pains and high medical bills. As a born shinobi, Shisui’s father lacked the funds and education to pursue any other path of career, leaving his child as the only breadwinner of his family. Shisui probably had to spend his entire childhood and youth slaving away just to keep his father and himself afloat. Additionally, he took care of a terminally i’ll man who didn’t even remember his son’s name. Of course, this would lead to Shisui being very perceptive of the psychology of the ones around him, how else could he search for a sign of his father’s state health changing?

Shisui often spent time wondering what it’s like to have a family, a family in which he is allowed to be what he is: a child. Someone who is cared for, someone who is looked after. Despite being an Uchiha, his relation to Kagami Uchiha - the Uchiha allied with Tobirama, the very person planting the seed for all the discrimination the Uchiha would face, up to a point of their genocide, would probably lead him to feel ostracized within his own clan. And like everyone of us, he is trying to find the balance between individuality and belonging - the latter being the one he lacked. His abilities as an Uchiha become a defining factor of identity for him, leading to him being willing to let a comrade via withholding aid - just on the basis of that comrade potentially being stronger than him. Once his comrade dies, the young Uchiha is ravaged by feelings of guilt, by the awareness that the blood of his friend is on his hand.

But nevertheless, he is blessed with a new Uchiha ability - the mangekyou sharingan. His entire life he had to enter a role he didn’t want to be in, robbing him of memories he could have had. So what better mangekyou ability to have than the one that alters memories, and, in extension, alters your role in the world?

Shisui’s resentment against his Uchiha identity starts bubbling up inside him again, and being a shinobi who frequents B- or even A-Rank missions as a literal teenager (how else would you pay for your father’s medical debt as a shinobi, eh?) he was closer to the village from the start. Hailed as the strong and talented Uchiha boy, taking on missions to serve his village, behind the facade a broken kid forced to grow up way too quickly. His first serious doubts begin when he is forced to kill Mukai Kohinata, a direct reflection of Shisui, just the other way around: a father wanting nothing but funds to care for his dying child.

Things don’t get better when the tension between the village and the Uchiha rise. His own brethren or the collective - who will you support? Getting into Shisui’s mind and twisting his perception of what’s right is an easy game for Danzo, almost too easy. A civil war breaking out in Konoha would be a repetition of his initial trauma - the one thing Shisui wants to prevent the most. Shisui starts feeling conflicted, until he finally stumbles upon THE miracle solution: forcefully keeping up the status quo by manipulating the leader of the revolution - an unpleasant reality, but better than the Uchiha clan’s extermination or a civil war breaking out, right? To Shisui, atleast. And honestly, who could blame him? As a ninja who graduated young, I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that he lacks the methodical and critical thinking outside of the parameters of violence and manipulation he is used to from Danzo and the shinobi world.

And then it happens. He agrees to suppress the revolution of his own ethnic group just for the sake of keeping up a false sense of peace, and suddenly, his co conspirators, the man that is supposed to be guarding him, leading him, suddenly abandons him and steals his eye? Shisui’s entire identity as the Uchiha boy from Konoha collapses and he doesn’t know what to think or believe anymore. In his last moments, he becomes aware of the utter pointlessness of the killing and the brutality of the shinobi system, the sheer feeling of powerless overwhelming him. At this point, death seems like a sweeter option than continuing to live powerlessly in such a system.

Shisui is a skilled ninja, but not always in contact with his emotions. Therapy is a rarity in the leaf, with even the counselors themselves not being able to give advise outside of the parameters of what’s “acceptable” in the hidden leaf.

So, what better way to hide your agony than behind a -albeit manufactured- goofy smile?

[luna-blood]

I was debating on YouTube about Sasuke but YouTube deletes comments, especially those that have a link. It was also difficult for me to search for the publications. So I gave myself the task of collecting posts from all Sasuke fans and neutral critics of the work 'Naruto' that talk about Sasuke and his relationship with the other Naruto characters. I have also included my contributions, such as questions to other users and post responses. I hope this post helps you when you need support when you are debating in favor of Sasuke. Without anything else to say, I leave you the links:

Positive qualities of Sasuke.

Sasuke's chakra is extremely powerful, voluminous, and denser than Senjutsu chakra!

It is false that Bee could have killed Sasuke any time he wanted.

¡Sasuke has been shown to nullify mortal wounds with Raiton!

Sasuke is literally the first person to survive the Raikage's Liger Bomb.

All Sasuke received from Raikage was a small lip bleed, while Raikage lost an arm and another Kage, Gaara, had to intervene to save his leg and his life.

Orochimaru's "physical condition" has nothing to do with his ritual and Sasuke's victory.

Analysis Sasuke vs Deidara.

Sasuke killed Danzo; he did not commit suicide.

Are Itachi and Kakashi really prodigies at the level their fans believe them to be? No.

The only reason Naruto managed to hurt Kaguya was because Sasuke forced her to change dimensions more than once and she herself had changed dimensions about four times in total.

Because Sasuke haters say that Haku is simply more tragic and a better person than Sasuke; and Batman too!

What is it about Sasuke that provokes people so much, compared to all the other fictional characters (in and out of Naruto) who have done bad things? Gaara was killing people for fun in part 1, but no one ever complains about him not being punished. Zuko from ATLA burned down a village of civilians, sent a hitman after Team Avatar, and was just lucky that no civilian was injured/killed, but everyone adores him. But Sasuke is unredeemable for threatening to destroy the village?

A back and forth on why Sasuke is a much better realized character, with thematic and narrative depth, compared to Kurapika and Zuko.

Sasuke is the imperfect victim unlike the perfect victims of ATLA and Full Metal Alchemist.

Sasuke's character is too good for the Naruto universe.

Are people upset that Sasuke was going to let the Shinobi Alliance perish?

Sasuke as a feminist icon.

Sakura is a female incel.

Sakura is a narcissistic.

Sakura inserted herself because she wanted validations from people who were out of her league, that's why. She is perfect for self-insert.

The mere idea of turning over an entire manga in your head in which Sasuke hides a raging boner (at age 12) for Sakura is... repulsive. Don't you have anything better to do?

Sasuke never kissed Sakura.

The blow on the forehead is not the maximum expression of love.

Naruto Gaiden is a fucking masterpiece! It proves that Sasuke doesn't love Sakura.

Sasuke retsuden is not canon.

Sasuke retsuden is not canon, Jun Esaka herself said it and if you are a fan of Sasuke it is normal that you hate Sakura because Sasuke is unhappy with her.

Sasuke still considers Sakura inferior.

Sasuke didn't push Sakura away because of the curse of hate.

Sasuke rejected Sakura, Ino and Karin, he didn't push them away because he was afraid.

Sasuke is not in love with Karin and did not have sex in part 2 with Karin.

Why Karin's fans say she had sex with Sasuke in part 2.

What does Kakashi know about the genocide and the physical and mental torture that would lead the child victim to a fatal coma, at the hands of a family member?

Naruto is a narcissistic.

Why Naruto is the worst character.

How can anyone read the two chapter panels showing two very different worlds the characters occupy and be surprised by the way it ended? They were not going to reconcile since the world where Sasuke exists is the antithesis of the world where his former team resides.

Lee was never "good” at Taijutsu, let alone being a genius at it. The series' main theme, revolves around bonds. When the manga began, Naruto let loose Kurama (unintentionally) against Haku, breaking all Ice Mirrors that ... no Jutsu could break; and that, happened way back in the Waves Arc. How does that associate "hard-work" with Naruto's character, upon whom many poor souls project their misfortunes to feel vindicated, when two geniuses (Sasuke and Kakashi) in the near-vicinity failed? Naruto powered through this via nothing but brute force; and that isn't a precursor to hard-work. That's the exact opposite. With the beginning of the next Arc, the "if we work hard, we could beat all odds, too" trope lovers got their kicks from Sasuke's humiliation at Lee's hands (or gates?); but then they conveniently forget that Lee himself stated that what Sasuke accomplished was literally impossible for someone like him (he even emphasized on this argument). Gai even went so far as to state that even with the Sharingan's power, Sasuke should never have been able to do what he did (he literally invented his own Taijutsu maneuver from Lee's in a single day; if that's not prodigious, I don't know what is); and Gai, last I checked, is an authority on the subject of Taijutsu, not you—yes, you! Sasuke mastered Kimimaro's CS in under two hours whilst Lee survived simply because Kimimaro was dying and he literally died whilst delivering a death-blow to Gaara and Lee; so thematically, narratively, and metaphorically, Sasuke matched an adversary against whom both Gaara and Lee lost? That and Lee was outshined by Sasuke twice in a row, going so far as to undermine Lee in his own life endeavors that involved years of sweat and tears?

Shikamaru's revenge is meaningless unlike Sasuke's.

People who support Nagato but vilify Sasuke sound a lot more idiotic than they think.

In defense of Fugaku.

How does Sasuke's revolution develop?

Why didn't the narrative validate Sasuke's radical change from Konoha's Will of Fire to the Revolution?

Itachi massacred the clan out of conscience.

The difference between Kushina and Itachi is not that big.

The policies of Tobirama Senju and the Uchiha genocide.

At what point will people stop demanding Sasuke?

Tsunade was at the forefront of the Second Shinobi World War that massacred the people of Nagato, plundered their land's resources, and continued to use the land as a battlefield resulting in mass deaths, poverty, and suffering. A war that Konoha started.

Why do so many people still blame Sasuke for Sasuke's past?

Uchihas do not have mental illnesses.

Sasuke vs Readers without empathy.

Kishimoto canon vs Studio Pierrot fanservice.

The brilliant change of perspective and theme between Hebi and Taka Sasuke; and that there is no writing defect in the moment in which Sasuke stabs Karin to reach Danzō.

Tobirama never accepted the Uchiha as true allies like Hashirama did, never trusting them, something he admitted so openly that his brother had to warn him "not to continue pursuing the Uchiha." And the Uchiha weren't planning to kill innocent people, they were planning to take over the government itself.

Kishimoto is anti sasusaku and anti naruhina.

Kishimoto never wanted to write Boruto.

The real Sasuke fans.

Sasuke winking at Sakura was never happened in the manga, it was a translation error.

[sasucaty]

"fuck konohars" we all say in unison.

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Reincarnated fem naruto during introductions.

[abattre]

It kind of kills me that we don't know what happened to the bodies after the Uchiha massacre. Like what did the village do with them? Danzo got his hands on some of the Uchiha to steal their eyes but like,, the clan was pretty big. They ran the entire police force themselves which would be at least like 100-150 personnel just in active duty; this plus their spouses, the Genin/Chuunin still in training, civilians that ran the shops in the district, retired workers/Shinobi, the elderly, and the children,,, there would've been hundreds of corpses to deal with. If they all died the same night and Sasuke was their only next of kin, a 7 year old child who was hospitalised while the compound was cleared out, who got to decide what happened to the bodies? Did the council just get to do whatever they wanted with the clan's remains? You know, the council that planned the massacre?

The Uchiha had their own religion and they would have had funeral rights for their dead so,,, did they get those rights? We never see Sasuke at any sort of memorial or grave for his family, and for someone who clearly loves their clan a lot, Sasuke would take care of their resting place if they had one. It's just so upsetting that after slaughtering the Uchiha so the village wouldn't have to take accountability for you know,,, treating them like absolute shit, no one in Konoha even cares enough to give them the bare minimum respect in death. They what? Just let Danzo take the ones he wanted so he could harvest their eyes and just dumped the rest of the Uchiha in an unmarked mass grave somewhere? The whole village had a state-wide memorial when the Kyuubi attack happened and the same later on when Orochimaru invaded but they couldn't even bother with some sort of funeral service after the genocide of one of their own clans? The genocide that they ordered themselves? Like it's just so fucking insulting.

[vulpisnocturna]

You are the Hokage. You’re strolling around your village with your bestie Danzo after you successfully made a 12yr old kill his entire family. You see this traumatised 7yr old kid. Do you:

A) Compliment him on his grades. Good on him for not letting the death of his family ruin his academic career

B) Let him leave the hospital and see the chalk outlines of his parents’ bodies and all the blood spatter. It builds character

C) Give that kid a therapist, a new house that isn’t a crime scene, a caregiver that isn’t also traumatised and a support system

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