#anti toxic catradora fans

[kathrahender]

Is it just me or the fandom of animes/shows/movies are too damn toxic nowadays?

Like seriously GROW UP ALREADY, and for the love of God, GO ON with your life. If people don't like the canon/fanon ships or the characters you like, just ignore them or block them and enjoy the things you like instead of harassing or sending death threats to other people. If you do that and the other doesn't, you're only proving who's the real morally superior person here. (Hint: if you're the one harassing them, you're not the morally superior person)

[bi-dykes]

anti-catradoras be like:

“omg I KNOW they’re enemies to lovers and they’re not supposed to be fluffy, YES I can handle enemies to lovers, just enemies to lovers who are written better! I swear I do like enemies to lovers just not catradora! Here’s toxic yuri that is chaotic and not fluffy that I DO like!”

This is not at all based off of a post I saw that said Glimmadora is true enemies to lovers written right whereas Catradora just goes to far to be enemies to lovers 🙃

[spop-romanticizes-abuse]

when c//a is already abusive enough in canon but fans sexualize it and make it look like sexual assault as well- yikes.

[melly0990]

(Spoilers for spop)

As a fan of this ship (dw this is not a hate or anti post of catradora) Honsetly with how toxic they're relationship has been in the first 4 seasons, wouldn't it be so interesting if post season 5, adora and catra recognize how unhealthy and messed up they're relationship was but still wanting to stay together and work through all the problems?

Like one time adora waking up having a nightmare about catra only to see her in the corner also being woken up from a nightmare about her traumas, and they spent a long while just talking, such as talking about why she opened the portal

Catra learning to comfort and be there for adora just as much adora did that for her and doing exactly that

Catra accepting that adora didn't abandon her to join the rebellion and asked her to come with her

Them talking about they're problems, catra treating adora much better

And that's not even getting to the icing on top of the cake being that they have no strong ideas how dating works, so they ask relationship advices from they're friends on what to do with them

Overall catradora working through they're relationship post season 5 is such a fascinating and great concept

[catras-breakup-song]

TW: spop antis

sometimes i think about this post, by someone whose account appears to be gone now (or the username was changed), especially with this part in particular considering my WHOLE ENTIRE BLOG is themed around "potential breakup song" by aly & aj since the latter is catra's voice actress, as well as this edit:

use songs for catra that really work better with adora (for ex, "911" by Elise or "Potential Breakup Song" by Aly & AJ), because the songs would typically be from the victim's POV (which i find funny in the worst way tbh)

idk, it's just, like, i do think it works well from catra's POV because of the attitude she has about adora and how she sees it from her perspective (whether right or wrong), and her general badassery in showing others up. it actually wouldn't make much sense to me if adora was the focus instead, especially because she never feels that way about catra in return.

i also hate the way this post makes me feel because there are other comfort catradora edits or otherwise just fanmade videos that i enjoy, such as this one with "the great war" by taylor swift being my absolute favorite of all time, or this one to "toxic" by britney spears which does in fact make fun of antis (and was posted on my birthday!).

she-ra is my hyperfixation media, if not a special interest outright by now after four consecutive years, and part of the way i interact and relate with it is through edits & AMVs. so, if these criticisms are valid in any way, then that kinda hurts a lot and damages my ego.

i did comment this on my main blog a while back under someone's post (i can't remember whose/which, sorry):

i've had a flip-floppy history bc after a couple years, the anti side of the argument was actually convincing at first, but then i realized media literacy below surface-level is good actually, and being depressed over thinking i shouldn't like a ship i'm so hyperfixated on wasn't healthy, so i'm back to normal now amen! at the end of the day, if it's a well-written ship (catradora), then i support it wholeheartedly, and if it's a disgusting ship then i'm a huge fan of toxic yuri 🙏 either way, i win 🗣‼️🔊

anyhow, this is just me thinking/venting out loud, and i'm a bit afraid of any antis finding this post and reposting/talking about it, so reblogs are off and please do not harass me over how i feel here...

[spopsalt]

Hi friend, today, we are gonna see how spop fans are seen vs how they actually are by analysing some stuff, let's go:

SPOP fans: " ew, you can't ship Entrapta x Hordack, that's pedophile "

also SPOP fans: * simps for a teenager knowing that some of them, not all, are adults and call her sexy and hot *

SPOP fans: " Catra changed, stop being mad at her. Adora would hate you for that// you are wasting your breath talking shit about her"

also SPOP fans: * sends death threads and attack us anti C//A shippers instead of bloking and mind their own business *

SPOP fans: " ugh, i hate Scorpia, she doesn't respect Catra's personal space and call her a bad friend after that !!"

also SPOP fans: * forgot complete C*tr* did the same to Adora and noone cares a shit because they hate the main character *

SPOP fans: " you cannot compare lumity to catradora because lumity are kids who goes to school and catradora are adults in a war "

also SPOP fans: * make draws of them, even after 2 seconds they compare both ships *

SPOP fans: " i hate anti C//A shippers for using the same argument, can they even shut their mouth ?!"

also SPOP fans: * waste their breath talking to us, send us dead theards, calling us rasist, lesphobic, homophobics,etc. Instead of being a normal person and respect the person why they hate C//A *

SPOP fans: " ugh why anti Catra's always critic her, like they are so obssesed with a pixel ?? !!"

also SPOP fans: * being obssesed with C*tr* and calling her milf and mommy *

well friend, yesterday i came to think about how spop fans want's to be seemed like good people when they are not, but well here are the questions: do you agree with me ? is there something missing ? would you like the spop fandom be more civil instead of being a 12 child sending dead threads ?

Exactly, spop fans are massive hypocrits, they'll say and condirdict anything as long as it means that they don't have to agree that their precious little meow meow is abusive and that their ship is a toxic incest ship. Entrapdak isn't even pedofilia what? Entrapta is an adult

[dougydoug8797]

https://www.tumblr.com/adoradeservesbetter

These two anti Glimmadora Stan(@anti-glimmadora-receipts and @adoradeservesbetter) who treat Catradora like a Devine religion is an example of C//A Stans with a cult mentality and mindset along with a toxic MAGA behavior. Catra stans are the most unhinged fans of the fandom. Toxic fandoms are the absolute worst, she ra is getting worse by the day. Netflix She-Ra was a bad show, is dead and deserves to be. The show's fanbase is disgusting and toxic. She-ras fandom is toxic and they don’t know it. It’s almost as if they have some emotional attachment to the ship that’s very unhealthy and gets to the point where they cannot stand the thought of someone disagreeing with them. Very similar to the MAGA Cult. That’s right I am here to say that Catra Stans/Fan, Catradora Stans/Fans, the entire Nu-She-Ra fandom and ND Stevenson have the mindset of Donald Trump and his MAGA Trump cult. Catra Stans/Fan, Catradora Stans/Fans, the entire Nu-She-Ra fandom, ND Stevenson Donald Trump and his MAGA Trump cult are ableist, toxic, bigoted, ignorant and narcissistic. Catra Stans/Fan, Catradora Stans/Fans, the entire Nu-She-Ra fandom and ND Stevenson are no different than Donald Trump and his MAGA Trump cult, and Horde Prime. I compare Catradora stans/fans and mainly the entire Catra stans/fan/fan base/fandom to MAGA/Trump Stans-Supporters. They are both unhinged, they can’t take truth and criticism seriously which resorts to them sending death threats and they treat Catra, Trump, the She Ra fandom, ND Stevenson(Nate Stevenson), and the SPOP like a religion and see them as gods or as if they are made by god himself via see ND Stevenson(Nate Stevenson) as a god himself. ND Stevenson(Nate Stevenson) and Donald Trump are both immature narcissists and egomaniacs and their fans and supporters are similar in way.

[stanlunter]

Funny thing about Catradora vs Glimmadora war:

C/a fans: make 34686 posts about how g/a fans are so obsessed with catradora fans that dare to write anti c/a posts: "they don't even like g/a, they just hate c/a!"

Also c/a fans: "all c/a haters are just mad g/a shippers! You don't even actually hate c/a, you're just mas your ship isnt canon!" - at the same time wrote 357536 posts about why g/a is "toxic"

And funniest thing is that I don't even ship Glimmadora (yeah, I just like them as friends and prefer this ship over catradora) and still hate shitradora and hated it even before I started to ship anything (litterally since s1)

[yawwwndere]

"What’s crazy is this world that refuses to let me be with you.”

Greetings, people ❀ You may call me Roxo and I use any pronouns.

This is my safe spot to dump thoughts on media and my writing. I may reblog art too; I know what it looks like, but this isn't a yandere blog. IDC if yandere blogs follow as long as they're aware of that. I used to use yanderecore to cope when I was younger, so like let's go baddies❗️❗️❗️

I'm 17, mixed white Brazilian-USAmerican, (transmisogny-exempt) queer, and communist with a lot of mental shit going on. Don't say I didn't warn you, teehee 😇

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MY CRITIC RED FLAG ⁉️⁉️⁉️ 😳 If people wanna block me or shoot me on sight IDK...

I love She-ra and the Princesses of Power & Catradora (or at least the version of it in my head) with all my heart. Catra was a character I used to cope with my Cluster B traits growing up and her & Adora are both the rawest depictions of BPD (Catra-only) & NPD I've ever seen in my life. I love the character dynamics within the show in general and to this day, I've never found another show where the interactions have as much complexities or different interpretations as She-ra.

With that being said, I think they both act toxic & arguably abusive to each other (with only Catra being called out & getting a redemption arc that even then I have issues with) and I wish the narrative did something with that much more. I dislike the mainstream fandom ignoring a lot of their problems & even framing certain behaviors (mostly Adora's) as romantic. However, I also hate the anti-Shera crowd pushing aside Adora's toxic behavior, but this is unsurprising to me considering how in interviews (that I've seen at least) with N.D. Stevenson and the voice actors, it's clear a lot of subtext to Adora's character, especially her NPD traits, were overlooked by the writers themselves. Her controlling behavior was often turned into simply "caring too much" and her status as the main character that we are meant to see ourselves in as we follow along with the story stops most people from questioning her motivations & seeing her as anything more than just "Her trauma made her kinder! But to everyone except herself :(".

That's really all. Enjoy the show ❀❀❀

But... that's all discussion for another day. I only bring it up here, because I love the show and will probably talk about it quite a bit. I've rewatched it a few days, but one day I'd like to rewatch in order to post my own analysis. For now though, I'd recommend some of ericas-spop-blog's posts if you're one of those people who I know is gonna get defensive over me criticizing Adora at times. I WILL block both fans and critics on my account, either if you're being nasty or frankly I don't have the energy to respond. This is like... more of a personal account anyway, so I'm honestly more concerned about talking to mutuals or people I already follow. I really don't care about taking criticism all the time, even if it's not malicious, so don't always take it personally.

[clearancecreedwatersurvival]

God I know there are people doing silly purity culture fandom discourse on this site about all three mxtx books and their adaptations, having confirmed that thoroughly by going down some fascinating tag rabbitholes, but now I am wondering.

Are there people ship/character discoursing in the locked tomb fandom? Like are there people complaining about other fans writing about say incest ships, in the fandom of a book by an author who previously wrote homestuck incest fanfiction????? (And while the tridentarii are written….like that….) Or complaining that griddlehark is a bad ship because Harrow is toxic and abusive to Gideon and they frequently talk about killing each other at the start of the book when they’re living in the ninth house?????? I’m imagining this theoretical anti griddlehark locked tomb fan exists based on the bloggers who I’ve recently discovered who are somehow fans of spop but are firmly anti catradora and like to complain that catradora is a bad ship and spop ‘romanticizes abuse’ because catra causes harm over the course of her whole -raised in a fascist military- deprogramming arc.

Cause that would be the funniest discourse take imaginable. Your fave is problematic but about characters in the fucking locked tomb, a book series where obviously nothing bad happens ever and all the characters should be considered aspirational and a good moral reference. Oh my god. Even funnier than people discoursing about scum villain being problematic for having weird kink bits in the satire about kinky erotic webnovels.

[kathrahender]

Hate when some people in this site reblog posts like "It's not hard to be kind to people" "It doesn't cost you anything to be kind to people" while being literally the most unpleasant person in this world. "Be kind" "Be human" "Treat others with respect" How about you look at yourself in a mirror and realize your hypocrisy, hmm?

I might get angry sometimes and I might be an asshole sometimes, but at least I don't pretend I'm a saint, like those people do. And I don't criticize nice users who act "a little angry" sometimes. I'm talking about those people who straight up say things like "kys" "you should die" or make you feel like you have commited a crime when you haven't.

To the people who get those hate comments (who are innocent, because I'm not gonna defend a person who actually did bad things in life): don't listen to them. You are worthy. You deserve to be happy. You deserve to have good things in life. Nothing those haters say it's true. You're not a bad person for liking a ship. You're not a bad person for disliking a ship. You're not the wrong one here. You're not the one to blame. You're not a monster. You're not a freak. You're not a weirdo. You're not an abuse apologist. You're not a murder apologist. You don't support bad things in real life. You are just a good person who bad things happened to. You are a person with emotions who don't deserve to be harassed. You are a person who doesn't deserve to feel like a villain. You are human. You deserve to be treated with respect. You don't deserve to be tortured. You don't deserve to have more traumas. And don't do things just because they told you to. Don't think about commiting suicide for them, because they're not worthy. And don't cry because of them. They don't deserve your tears. And you also don't deserve to be crying in your bed to sleep, or have panic attacks, or have insomnia. You deserve to be healthy. You deserve to be alive.

If you need someone to talk to, my DMs or my ask box is always open. I'm not a therapist, but if you need to vent, if you just need someone to hear you, I'm here 🫂

To the people who send those hate comments: Sorry for he next words. Actually, no. I'm not sorry for the words I'm gonna say. Honestly:

FUCK YOU.

Maybe that sounds bad, but I'm being serious. If you do these things, if you harass people, if you tell people to kill themselves, if you make them feel like a monster when they're innocent (Because in most of the cases they are innocent) and if you doxx them- honestly- you're one of the WORST humans of this world. Who the hell do you think you are? Who the hell do you think you are to tell somone "kys"? Who the hell do you think you are to tell a person they deserve to die when they're innocent? "Oh, but they like/don't like a ship" AND WHAT THE HELL WRONG WITH THAT? IT'S A FUCKING SHIP. DO YOU THINK IT'S OKAY TO TELL SOMEONE TO COMMIT SUICIDE FOR DISLIKING/LIKING A SHIP? If you think that's okay, honestly, I think you URGENTLY need help because that's not normal.

"They need therapy for liking/disliking the ship I dislike/like" I can't believe people seriously use these arguments. What do you have in your mind? Do you have brain? Are you intelligent? Because if you have brain and you are intelligent- I think there's something wrong there. And If you think you're "intelligent" or morally superior- I'm asking you to analyze yourself because that's not true at all. If you get this angry for people liking/disliking a ship, I'm honestly worried about how you react in your normal life about other minor problems.

[dirt-apple-productions]

Why do Catra Stans/Fans and Catradora stans attack, bash, berate, belittle, bully, and degrade anti Catradora fans, Glimmadora fans/shippers and Shadow Weaver fans and Why are Catra Stans/Fans and Catradora stans along with the entire She Ra fandom highly toxic?

A few reasons. Fair warning, I’m going to be very blunt under the cut. Don’t like, don’t read.

She-Ra is a kids’ show and the target audience is 10-15yo’s. Aka the most immature little bleeps on the planet. These people don’t know how to behave themselves and many of them were not taught netiquette at all growing up. A lot of them will grow out of it eventually if given time and patience.

They strap their identities too much to their sexuality and therefore to the show that affirms their identity as gay, bi, trans, etc. I’m not saying their sexuality is something they can control or something that isn’t a part of their identity, but it becomes unhealthy the moment they call someone homophobic for like, not shipping an objectively abusive and legally incestuous relationship (that being C//A) - when 99.9% of the time it has nothing to do with being straight or being accepting of LGBT+ people or anything like that.

Black and white thinking with Shadow Weaver. That also ties in with this childish idea that the world is divided into oppressors and victims. Victims are incapable of being abusive because they are victims, and abusers are incapable of being victims or even being human because they’re abusers. This is why you have people cheering on Shadow Weaver’s suicide.

I would highly recommend being patient and blocking them since most of them are kids. But it’s always one of those 3 reasons, if not more.

[adorawasright]

Y'know I tried really really hard to like Catradora, I watched ship complications, video essays about why they worked together, tried to get excited whenever they had a moment, looked at posts about why they're a good couple, I even watched a 30-minute videos with 100 reasons why you should ship catradora but no matter what I did I just couldn't see it, no matter how many times I tried it always left a bad taste in my mouth, it just felt so gross with the way they victim blamed Adora for leaving her toxic environment because she left Catra (Even though she asked her to come with multiple times) I was uncomfortable with how they were basically sisters, but I guess I just tried so hard to like it because the fandom was so crazy about it, so I'm glad I found the anti-community that's really nice and welcoming, so thanks for spreading the truth and helping people like me be honest about how they dont like Catradora

Yeah, that's precisely what made me fall out of love for C//A, the way the fandom treats Adora and how they ignore that Catra and Adora were raised by the same woman (the latter I think was the starting point for me). Nowadays, when I try to engage with the majority of the fandom, I just get very frustrated, and honestly concerned because most of the fans are minors and they're being taught that abuse is romantic and sexy.

Oh, you're very welcome! I'm glad to know I make you feel more comfortable sharing these feelings. I suppose this blog is also my safe space because no one in real life really gets it, either. I can't just rant about how awful C//A is to my friends (although I think I did that once but they never watched SPOP, and I was very brief about it. We never talked about the show again and I honestly don't want to, lol). Sometimes I feel like I'm too intense about my opinions, hence why I try my best to not spend too much time on this blog, but I know the truth has to be said, and I'm honestly relieved that more and more people are coming together to say what bothers them about SPOP.

Yeah, it can be hard to talk about these feelings, but at least we've built our own little circle and discuss issues with the show between ourselves (and I guess the curious people who decide to visit). I'm also grateful to be part of this community. It has taught me a lot.

[shaftking]

https://www.tumblr.com/godmodebeginswithlesbians/732567688496431104/we-need-less-sanitized-queer-stories-youre-the

I can’t believe the amount of notes this post has of people agreeing with it. I have no idea what The Locked Tomb is so I can’t speak on that, but regarding She-Ra, ever since the finale, I’m one of the people who’s been agreeing with the statement that OP is mocking here. To clarify, though, I’m not a puritanical anti at all- in fact, I’m all for less sanitized LGBT stories (yes, LGBT, not q**r), but I want them to still be well written, make actual sense narratively, and deliver a positive message for a target demographic of children, all which She-Ra failed at.

I read some of the notes and aside from the typical nonsense I’m used to seeing toxic She-Ra fans spew, there are people who reblogged this defending She-Ra while simultaneously admitting that they DIDN’T EVEN WATCH THE SHOW. Ofc they’re not gonna understand or interpret any of the criticism in good faith if they haven’t even watched the damn show. That’s the brainless mob mentality that’s to be expected on this site.

Anyway, as a writer who majored in animation, seeing posts and notes like this is so disheartening. I don’t have much hope for the entertainment industry (especially animation) or the LGBT community. Both have proven that their standards are lower than dirt and that they all have piss poor media literacy and critical thinking skills that lead them to harassing and hating on anyone who dares criticize the media that they blindly worship. It’s insulting as a writer and sets a bad precedent that professionals can just produce poorly written fan fiction with a budget that validates childish NPCs who eat it up as long as it caters to their sensibilities and is under the guise of progressivism for kids so it can be praised as “groundbreaking.” It makes me wanna steer clear of this industry entirely tbh.

I’m also familiar with SPOP but not The Locked Tomb, so I can speak on that. And we all know that I really can’t stand SPOP. I personally view it as one of those shows that was fine and even good at times until it self destructed in the last season and especially the finale with just an astonishing lack of self awareness.

The problem with Catradora, especially compared to the other ships in the show for the most part, is that’s it’s dysfunctional and toxic in a show that is targeted to children that otherwise pushes a lot of life lessons subtexually and textually. This also isn’t just a problem of the relationship itself, it extends to their actions towards other characters, such as the fact that there is no real consequence for Catra literally killing Glimmers mother out of complete selfishness. I think the whole show kind of suffers from sudden character amnesia about other characters past crimes. Because it happened with Hordak and Scorpia and Entrapta as well to varying degrees.

And I think the doublethink the show has about being Mature and Complex vs It’s A Children’s Show So You Can’t Criticize It extends to fan attitudes. And let’s be real, the Catradora kiss was not that revolutionary when SU and LOK already had their representation moments years before. In fact it’s weird and dysfunctional asf to have characters who were implied to have grown up as sisters and raised together (the literal reason why Catra was jealous and over dependent on Adora) just kiss and have all of their problems and past just basically vanish so that they can have a few cute shippy moments before the series finale.

All that aside I personally hate being pandered to and baited. I genuinely want to see stories about people who are LGBT and different races and with different belief systems and backgrounds, but just slapping a label onto a character or story doesn’t make it good, you still have to write good characters and story. You still have to work to make things cohesive and you have to understand that as a writer you will always face criticism. Especially when you market your work so hard as the next big thing.

And as an audience member, at the very least as a teen and onwards into adulthood, you should be capable of media literacy to the extent that you can watch a show about a couple toxic codependent weirdos and recognize that they were toxic codependent weirdos even if you mostly just had fun watching them get up to fucked up shenanigans.

[catras-breakup-song]

I'm so confused tbh

I see so many people both fans and especially anti's compare catradora to stolitz and I don't know why??? Like what do they actually have in common other than being toxic ships??? Do you have any ideas why?

considering i've literally never mentioned hellaverse on this blog before (and plan on this being the only time so i'll tag accordingly for people who don't want to see it here), i'm quite positive you sent this to the wrong one and meant to ask @/fandomcritical because of this post? i mean, granted, it's also one of my sideblogs so we're the same person, but i find this a little amusing!

honestly though, my best guess would just be that the audiences of these franchises overlap. people have/had multiple interests and comparing or contrasting them offers some food for thought, especially among "x-critical" communities. they notice what they interpret as similarities and run with it, which there's nothing inherently wrong with since anyone is allowed to share opinions (i just avoid those spaces since mine are more complicated and i don't always tend to agree with the majority enough, plus i try to be non-confrontational).

catradora and stolitz are definitely both toxic, but i only see one as currently? irredeemably abusive, showing no signs of improvement yet (which i elaborated on in the linked post), however i would like to see it happen. aside from that, and admitting that i'm rather biased in my take, i also don't understand how they're so easily juxtaposed. i never doubted that catra has perpetuated the cycle of her childhood and environment by becoming abusive to others in her life before becoming a better person, but also… she's not… y'know, a coercive rapist. i'd label that as far worse than saying hurtful words or scratching people on the back and leaving temporary marks. i don't count the portal-opening in this specific situation since that was not targeted toward any "victim" in particular except revenge on the rebellion as a whole movement, not necessarily adora, and shadow weaver, who was her own abuser rather than an innocent individual. i would assume anyone who recognizes the personal level of violation that is sexual coercion/assault would not relate it to a war crime that affects the world generally, but i guess you never know.

[blakebow]

Bumbleby reminds me of a certain wlw ship called catradora from the she ra reboot, it is also toxic because throughout the past four seasons catra keeps hurting and abusing adora physically mentally and psychologically even before they were enemies and was redeemed in the last minute of season five, it is also borderline incest bc both adora and catra were raised by shadow weaver and the pitch bible saying that catra is adora's little sister,

Just like bumbleby, the fans also justify the ship saying that it is enemies to lovers or accuses you of being a racist/lesbiphobe, im sure you can see more anti catradora tags for more information abt the ship if u have any time

Also how are you doing (⁠ツ⁠)

ahhh yeah from she-ra. lmao. another ship that didn't follow the rules and came outta nowhere, like korrasami. the 80's ip of she-ra had them as literal mortal enemies but the reboot was made a tumblrite who never saw the old show and didn't respect the source material.

that's just how it is with any LGBT ship in fandom tbh. if you don't like it for any reason, it makes you a homophobe. lmao. it's juvenile and immature how that's their default stance.

like maybe, did you ever consider that your shit just sucks because it sucks, not because it's a gay ship? lmao.